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06:31 pinesol_green News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:59 Bmagic @coffee [someone]
08:59 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Hawaii Isla Kona Mauka, and sends it sliding down the bar to stephengwills
08:59 Bmagic @coffee [someone]
08:59 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Tres Santos Micro-Lot La Dorada Cauca, and sends it sliding down the bar to mnsri_away
08:59 Bmagic @coffee [someone]
08:59 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Panama Elida Estate Natural, and sends it sliding down the bar to bshum
09:00 Bmagic Sounds tasty!
09:00 Bmagic It would be handy if pinesol_green would provide the URL to the coffee
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09:14 Dyrcona Are there URLs for the coffee?
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09:23 kmlussier @coffee Bmagic
09:23 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Kenya AA Gachatha, and sends it sliding down the bar to Bmagic
09:52 Dyrcona So, that SIP thing I mentioned on Friday: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen/2018-07-06#i_366727
09:53 Dyrcona I think it is actually a permission thing. I seem to recall running into this last year or the year before, figuring it out, planning to fix it in our database, and then not doing it. :)
09:54 Dyrcona Cant' find any notes on it, though, so I have to start over.
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10:03 JBoyer Dyrcona, do you have your SIP users using a suggested permission set from somewhere? (I know there's a list of perms suggested in the NCIP docs, I can't remember at the moment if there's a similar list somewhere for SIP)
10:04 JBoyer Hopefully something just needs a depth adjustment since there doesn't appear to be a VIEW_BILLS permission anywhere.
10:07 Dyrcona JBoyer: I recall it being some sort of VIEW permission that was just not granted, but as always, I'm working on more than 1 thing at a time. I will likely look into it later today.
10:07 JBoyer True. Just hoping to perhaps jostle a memory. :) Good luck!
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10:12 Dyrcona I believe it is VIEW_USER_TRANSACTIONS that was missing...
10:14 jeff there is a wiki page with recommended SIP user permissions: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/​doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:sip
10:17 Bmagic Anyone delt with deleting pending patrons from Webby?
10:17 Bmagic dealt
10:18 terran Bmagic: I believe there's a bug report on that...
10:18 Bmagic ah, couldn't find it
10:18 terran https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1737800
10:18 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1737800 in Evergreen "Web Client: Pending Patrons No Delete" [Medium,Confirmed]
10:18 Bmagic thank you!
10:19 Bmagic terran++
10:19 Dyrcona Nope. Both SIP groups have VIEW_USER_TRANSACTIONS.
10:19 terran Bmagic: In combination with this bug, it's really problematic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1749970
10:19 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1749970 in Evergreen "Web Staff Client: Pending Patrons limited to 100" [Undecided,Confirmed]
10:21 JBoyer jeff++ # behold, documentation!
10:25 Dyrcona Ah ha!
10:25 Dyrcona It's the group this user is in. There's a 3rd SIP2 group called View only.
10:26 Dyrcona Now, why would an account named "*ecommerce" be view only?
10:28 JBoyer Dyrcona++ # detecting
10:28 Dyrcona Well, it all comes back, now... :)
10:29 JBoyer Not a lot of good hypothetical answers to that hypothetical question though. ;)
10:29 Dyrcona Yeah. I'm going to change it on my test database. Put the test library's users in the most permissive group.
10:29 Dyrcona They have 3 sip accounts.
10:30 Dyrcona I think the view only group needs the permissions changed.
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10:35 Dyrcona I wouldn't be surprised if ecommerce is meant to be in the most permissive group, SIP-Pay, and it's in the other by accident.
10:35 Dyrcona The profile ids are 321 and 322 so easy to make a mistake.
10:53 Dyrcona Be funny if the whole reason the library requested this enhancement is a permissions issue. :)
10:53 Dyrcona The vendor said "Evergreen can't provide fine item detail."
10:54 Dyrcona Sure it can, if the proper profile is used. :)
11:03 jeff which vendor?
11:04 Dyrcona Envisionware believe it or not.
11:05 Dyrcona I would think that they would know better.
11:05 Dyrcona But, I really should not have quoted them since I got that information second hand. :)
11:05 Dyrcona What we do provide isn't "standard" though.
11:08 Dyrcona Too bad it only took a year... :P
11:11 Dyrcona Too many people named Chris in my address book......
11:12 jeff Yeah, I blame another vendor for that. I tried to build support for delimited details per their spec, and they said "oh, we don't support that -- nobody supports that. we much prefer that you just pass mostly-freeform strings like this" -- and then a few years later were complaining to me about how they wish we provided delimited data like in their spec PDF. :-)
11:12 jeff somewhere there was a breakdown in communication. :-)
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11:14 Dyrcona Yeahp.
11:15 Dyrcona I've basically got 3 formats: 3M, as suggested in the SIP2 documentation, Swyer A and Swyer B, 2 alternates from a document put out by some group named Swyer.
11:16 Dyrcona The idea is to support all 3, plus what Evergreen does now, via config options.
11:16 Dyrcona But, if what Evergreen does now is a mistake, we can probably remove it.
11:24 jeff no, i wouldn't suggest that.
11:25 jeff as it would break existing setups for little reason.
11:25 Dyrcona Right, OK. I wasn't leaning very strongly toward removing it.
11:25 jeff recommending a different setup for new installs or installs looking to change would be good, probably.
11:27 Dyrcona The code we've got, which I have not, yet, successfully tested, keeps the current behavior as the default.
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11:41 Dyrcona What a difference the proper permissions make. :)
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12:50 Dyrcona So, got through all of the remove_ou_data scripts and they don't remove all of the circulations.
12:51 Dyrcona I have 1,282 still hanging around.
12:59 jeff with the move to action.usr_circ_history in bug 1527342, was there ever anything that migrated previously existing circ history? for whatever reason, i'm not seeing anything in upgrade script or related commits or release notes or in the bug.
12:59 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1527342 in Evergreen "Maintain patron reading history in a dedicated table." [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527342
12:59 jeff yet i think i see some history maintained prior to the relevant upgrade date, so i'm guessing there was something which I overlooked.
13:00 jeff <quack>
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13:00 jeff and one comment in the bug mentions migrating data to the new table. i must've just overlooked that part of the upgrade script.
13:01 Dyrcona jeff: The upgrade script did migrate history.
13:02 jeff Yep, DO block right there staring me in the face now. :-)
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15:13 mmorgan Has anyone seen this error when checking in a Lost item?
15:14 pastebot "mmorgan" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Checkin error" (6 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/13604
15:14 mmorgan I suspected bug 1511765, but this looks like something different.
15:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1511765 in Evergreen "Checking in migrated lost status copies and Lost/Long Overdue/Lost and Paid copies with no associated circ generates error when zero-balance lost OU setting is enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511765
15:18 bshum Google says that's happened before, but was fixed a long time ago:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1691563  (maybe someething came back to haunt us, or there's another flaw similar to it in the logic)
15:18 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1691563 in Evergreen 3.0 ""Use of freed value in iteration" error during adjust to zero" [Undecided,Fix released]
15:20 mmorgan bshum++
15:21 bshum Yeah different function, similar error
15:21 bshum Have to dig deeper at it
15:21 mmorgan We're 2.12.4 for another day or so, so maybe I just need to wait and see what happens after upgrading.
15:22 bshum Oooo
15:22 bshum I see
15:22 bshum So yeah that bug fix was 2.12.5 according to the note, and 3.0
15:22 bshum upgrading is good.  I love upgrading things.
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15:44 mmorgan Speaking of upgrades, I'm wondering why the signed off fix for bug 1776557 / bug 1669856 would not have gotten included in the 3.0.9 or 3.1.3 releases. Is it because they lack a target?
15:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1776557 in Evergreen "Grid: Right click fails to select new row if different row is selected" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776557
15:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1669856 in Evergreen "Web Client: Right click problems on links in web client grids" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669856
15:46 kmlussier mmorgan: Targets help, but I suspect it's also related to lack of tuits on the part of core committers.
15:47 mmorgan Darn tuits ;-)
15:50 Dyrcona Add targets and we'll see about getting them in for the next updates.
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15:57 mmorgan Dyrcona: will do, thanks!
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16:12 kmlussier Who should be the assignee on bug 1773417? We have two right now.
16:12 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1773417 in Evergreen 3.1 "Webstaff Cataloging Cleanup Omnibus, May 2018" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773417 - Assigned to Dan Wells (dbw2)
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16:15 NFPl Does anyone know what file deals with the postback of the account preference forms in the OPAC? I would like to unify the 3 preference tabs under one page as an option in my OPAC.
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18:31 pinesol_green News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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