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06:32 pinesol_green News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:41 JBoyer Bmagic, saw your question about patron info on receipts: behold bug 1737540
08:41 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1737540 in Evergreen 3.0 "Web Client: Patron name fields missing from checkout printer template" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737540
08:41 JBoyer Looks like it'll be in 3.0.5 and 3.1
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09:18 csharp so we had a DB server issue last night that interrupted OpenSRF's connection to postgres but the actual DB outage was about 20s so PG returned to normal - unfortunately, this didn't get picked up by our monitoring checks because they are checking the status of PG and opensrf independently
09:20 csharp this leads me to wonder 1) is there a way for opensrf to just exit when it can no longer connect to the database instead of chugging along like nothing happened (granted that it spews errors into the logs)? and 2) has anyone developed a nagios-ish check to see if opensrf can connect to postgres?
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09:39 JBoyer csharp, seems like it shouldn't be too hard to throw something together but I don't know of any script currently that just connects to osrf to verify db calls work.
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09:40 csharp JBoyer: thanks
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09:44 JBoyer I'm researching some things, anyone here have much experience with patron opt-in and it's nooks and crannies?
09:45 jeff jeffdavis likely would.
09:45 jeff my most basic understanding is that it attempts to prevent non-opted-in-patrons from showing in search results, meaning you need to retrieve them by barcode and ack the opt-in prompt.
09:47 JBoyer That's my hope but my experimenting so far isn't really getting me anywhere. Basically I want to black-hole a specific library, not really use it cons wide
09:47 JBoyer (i.e. default it to opted-in, except at X)
09:47 * JBoyer will keep looking.
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09:48 jeff JBoyer: real library or pseudo-library?
09:49 JBoyer real
09:49 jeff (not that it matters for making it work, just trying to get a sense of the use case)
09:49 JBoyer I really don't want to start using a lot of fake OUs for "locations" that aren't locations. :) Especially since they can't currently be deleted.
09:50 jeff pfft... "can't"
09:50 * jeff grins
09:51 JBoyer Think of it as floating point equality. The delta between the effort required and impossibility is below my current equality threshold. ;)
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10:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1756572: accessibility tweaks to links in webstaff client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3c3c2a0>
10:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1756572: Update to point release notes to include underlined links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b5a5c00>
10:21 Bmagic JBoyer++ # I thought there was a bug!
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10:32 terran berick++ for fixing 1361258 - that one was making me crazy!
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10:34 kmlussier bug 1361258
10:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1361258 in Evergreen 3.0 "Patron accounts losing notification preferences" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1361258
10:34 kmlussier berick++
10:34 JBoyer berick++
10:44 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jeff Davis] LP#1743045: skip redundant grid refresh on checkin - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=59e796a>
10:44 kmlussier gmcharlt: I'm following up on bug 1756110. I'm not  able to confirm the bug with the dropdown menus in 3.0. Are we sure the patch needs to be backported?
10:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1756110 in Evergreen 3.0 "egBasicComboBox drop-down not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756110
10:45 * kmlussier re-reads original description and sees the comment of recent changes just making the bug now visible.
10:46 kmlussier Never mind. I'll test the patch on 3.0 to ensure it doesn't break anything. Sorry for the noise.
10:47 berick terran++ # continued testing
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11:08 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] LP#1747963 Fix "trim list" feature in web client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=95600c4>
11:16 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jeff Davis] LP#1755892: ensure profile is fleshed in patron search - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=68ca385>
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11:46 Bmagic Do we have anything that spells out the release cycle for Evergreen on the website? Like, "sub releases only include bug fixes and major releases include new features" ?
11:52 kmlussier Bmagic: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=dev:release_process:schedule
11:53 * kmlussier should remove 2.11 from that page.
11:55 kmlussier Bmagic: There's also https://wiki.evergreen-ils.​org/doku.php?id=versioning
11:57 Bmagic kmlussier++
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12:09 gmcharlt noting the patch I just did for bug 1756912
12:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1756912 in Evergreen "Preferred library holdings no longer return when searching at system level" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756912
12:09 gmcharlt despite the target, I don't consider this a blocker for 3.0.5 today
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12:45 jeffdavis JBoyer: with opt-in, when you retrieve a patron account from another library for the first time, you have to click OK in a dialog that says the user consents to sharing their info. If you want to always prevent patrons at a specific library from being retrievable at other libraries, you can use the org.restrict_opt_to_depth setting.
12:55 JBoyer jeffdavis, that's how I thought it should work but I'm having issues making the entire rest of the consortium act as if opt-in is disabled. (just trying to hide a couple systems, not separate every location)
12:56 JBoyer I may be misunderstanding the intended priority of the opt-in default settings and so on.
12:57 jeffdavis No luck with org.patron_opt_boundary = 0, org.patron_opt_default = 0, org.restrict_opt_to_depth = system depth at the systems you want to hide? (I've never tried it.)
12:58 JBoyer That particular combination didn't do it, no. But I haven't tried that + opt-in boundry = sys at the system I'm trying to hide. seeing what that does now.
13:00 jeffdavis hm, looking at open-ils.actor.user.org_unit_opt_in.check it looks like it decides no opt-in is required if the library is within the boundary without first checking whether opt-in is restricted at that library. So yeah that probably won't work. :(
13:00 JBoyer It looks like patron_opt_boundry = 0 overrides everything else.
13:01 JBoyer Looks like we came to the same conclusion. :)
13:01 JBoyer I'll LP it because I think the exclusion should override the assumed boundry.
13:01 JBoyer Thanks for talking me through it.
13:01 JBoyer jeffdavis++
13:12 csharp for general interest: https://librarytechnology.org​/perceptions/2017/#evergreen
13:16 * kmlussier wonders what Company Loyalty means in the context of an open source ILS.
13:16 JBoyer I host myself and I'm super not leaving.
13:17 JBoyer 11/10
13:17 berick JBoyer: well if you do, good luck getting your data from yourself.
13:17 JBoyer berick++
13:26 csharp kmlussier: pretty sure it's referring to EOLI in this case
13:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jeff Davis] LP#1755924: show circ modifier in Item Status list view - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3186e64>
13:28 csharp JBoyer: why not just make 10 louder?
13:28 JBoyer ... because it's one more?
13:28 csharp JBoyer++
13:28 JBoyer csharp++
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13:29 csharp that quote and "none more black" pop into my head several times a week
13:30 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jeff Davis] LP#1752983: sort circ modifier list in precat checkout - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d6a247f>
13:32 csharp kmlussier++
13:40 kmlussier Based on a quick scan, my conclusion is that libraries using open source software are generally pretty happy.
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13:42 * csharp likes the trend lines on the EG graph for sure
13:44 jeffdavis Are there any plans to provide a version of Hatch for OSX?
13:45 jeffdavis (Or at least OSX specific install instructions?)
13:45 csharp I wonder if the Linux instructions would work on the Mac OS command line - haven't looked at it from that perspective before
13:45 kmlussier I wonder how much of a factor # of libraries migrating to a platform affect satisfaction in a given year. Given that learning new software / rocky migrations would probably lower satisfaction.
13:46 * kmlussier noticed that one of the big dips happened during the year that two Mass. consortia moved to Evergreen.
13:46 csharp kmlussier: I thought the same thing, looking at the peaks and valleys
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13:46 csharp and KCLS was going through a rough patch around then too
13:47 berick csharp: jeffdavis: hatch linux install docs are essentially same as mac, just different install paths.  agreed mac docs would be useful, though.
13:47 kmlussier Yes, there were a lot of migrations happening around that time. That's evened out a bit in recent years.
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14:58 kmlussier @weather
14:58 pinesol_green kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Overcast :: 37F/3C | Wind Chill: 26F/-3C | Wednesday: Periods of snow and windy. Temps nearly steady in the mid 30s. Winds NNE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow 70%. 1 to 3 inches of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Wednesday Night: Windy. Periods of rain and snow this evening, becoming snow overnight. Low 33F. Winds NNE at 20 to (1 more message)
14:58 kmlussier @more
14:58 pinesol_green kmlussier: 30 mph. Chance of precip 90%. 1 to 3 inches of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
14:59 mmorgan @weather 01923
14:59 pinesol_green mmorgan: Danvers, MA :: Overcast :: 34F/1C | Wind Chill: 24F/-5C | Wednesday: Occasional snow showers. Temps nearly steady in the mid 30s. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 40%. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Wednesday Night: Windy with periods of rain and snow this evening turning to snow overnight. Low 32F. Winds NNE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of precip 90%. (1 more message)
14:59 mmorgan @more
14:59 pinesol_green mmorgan: Snow accumulating 3 to 5 inches. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. | Updated: 6m ago
15:00 mmorgan Well, 3-5 inches is better than 20 :)
15:05 kmlussier These projected snow totals have gone way down over the past 24 hours.
15:05 kmlussier Not that I'm complaining.
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15:48 dbs So hey we have an incoming security bug, should be easy to address
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16:42 mmorgan We've noticed that attempts to delete patron records with a fair number of circulations time out in the (xul) client. I suspect it's taking a long time to age the circs.
16:42 mmorgan Anyone else had this experience?
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17:14 * dbs notes that https://wiki.evergreen-ils.o​rg/doku.php?id=dev:security doesn't mention the URL of the security repo and of course he's on a relatively new laptop that doesn't have it
17:21 jeff dbs: msg'd
17:21 dbs cloned the gitolite-admin repo, after fixing the cloning instrucitons on the wiki, and found it
17:21 dbs thanks jeff
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17:27 dbs And the branch is pushed.
17:29 * dbs rewards self with some laches-forelle gerauchert (smoked salmon)
17:29 csharp dbs++
17:38 kmlussier dbs: Nice!
17:38 * kmlussier is now craving smoked salmon.
17:39 kmlussier dbs++
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17:49 * csharp signs off on dbs's fix
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18:02 dbs csharp++
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18:08 csharp @dessert
18:08 * pinesol_green grabs some packages of Rolos® for csharp
18:30 pinesol_green News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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