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06:32 pinesol_green News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:57 berick anybody in DC (Bmagic? csharp?) come holler at me -- i'm up at the front right.
08:57 * berick already said hi to gmcharlt and maryj
08:58 * Bmagic comming
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09:32 Dyrcona And, the fun starts here: Feb 15 06:03:05 util2 router: [WARN:9279:osrf_router.c:768:] Removing router class 'open-ils.pcrud' because of a bad top-level file descriptor [20]
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09:34 miker Dyrcona: you keep using that word...
09:34 Dyrcona miker++
09:35 Dyrcona I had to run ldconfig again before the C services would start.
09:35 Dyrcona This is bad.
09:35 Dyrcona But, I still don't know just how bad.
09:36 csharp berick: I wish I was there - I'm helping shepherd a migration and couldn't get away this year :-)
09:36 csharp s/:-)/:-(/
09:37 Dyrcona And, a 5.1GB syslog.1, think I'll use sed and write out everything from 6:00 am until the end of the file, 6:25 am.
09:37 berick csharp: ah, well, I /guess/ that's important
09:38 csharp heh
09:38 * csharp has an inkling now about what it must've been like in the original Evergreen go-live
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09:46 Dyrcona It's almost like the system was too busy. The kern.log has a bunch of apparmor messages  from 6:25 when someone was trying unsuccessful to restart ejabberd.
09:47 Dyrcona Then, in the middle of all that, 3 of these: Feb 15 06:03:05 util2 stream:stream>
09:47 Dyrcona Incomplete log messages from earlier....
09:56 Dyrcona Not how I planned to start my work day....
10:01 Dyrcona So, someone set unattended upgrades to automatically install security updates.
10:01 Dyrcona And, erlang and several other packages were updated....at 06:03:05 this morning.
10:04 Dyrcona Correction, 06:03:02, but close enough.
10:04 Dyrcona Explains ejabberd and the rest freaking out, but not why ldconfig needed to be run again.
10:05 Dyrcona Unless libvorbis or linux-firmware botched ld....
10:05 * Dyrcona stops thinking out loud...
10:08 Dyrcona Pro tip: If it's a production server, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
10:09 Dyrcona If <Yes> is highlighted, hit the tab key to highligh <No>, then hit the Enter key. Hit the Enter key one more time.
10:09 Dyrcona You'll spare yourself the pain of walking into a busted server first thing in the morning.
10:09 Dyrcona Also, when installing and it asks to automatically install updates, choose <No>.
10:10 Dyrcona I know it sounds nice to automatically install security updates, but you need to be in control of that in a production environment.
10:11 Dyrcona Imagine if all of my bricks installed that update last night....
10:12 csharp Dyrcona: yeah, 16.04 enables unattended upgrades by default, I think
10:12 Dyrcona You can turn it off during installation, I usually do.
10:12 csharp or at least I've been having to go around and disable it on our stock images
10:12 csharp I always answer no to that - it may be a bug
10:13 Dyrcona This one's on me, I must have not done it when I reinstalled the O/S after a drive replacement last March.
10:14 Dyrcona I've not had that issue with 16.04.2 or 16.04.3 installation images.
10:14 Dyrcona When I say No in installation, it's off.
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10:15 Dyrcona I think reconfiguring it always defaults to Yes.
10:16 csharp https://askubuntu.com/questions/785339/why-​is-unattended-upgrades-activated-by-default
10:16 csharp ^^ that describes what I've seen
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10:21 Dyrcona https://help.ubuntu.com/commu​nity/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
10:22 Dyrcona csharp ^^ explains how it works.
10:23 Dyrcona On my Xenial servers where I've said No during install, I do not have APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
10:23 Dyrcona I have APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0"; instead.
10:26 csharp Dyrcona: thanks - I'll actually dig into it next time I see it happen
10:27 Dyrcona csharp: If you're using a premade vm image, I suggest modifying it to make sure unattended upgrades is off.
10:28 Dyrcona Trouble with a lot of the AskUbuntu stuff is the answers are out of date. They were true for a previous release but not current ones.
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10:32 csharp https://xkcd.com/979/
10:33 Dyrcona :)
10:33 Dyrcona It's more likely to me who asked the question in 2003, when I search. :)
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10:34 Dyrcona ^to me^to be me
10:35 csharp heh - that's me and the channel logs
10:36 csharp I'll google something and have myself to thank for the solution :-)
10:38 Dyrcona :)
10:39 gsams csharp: So he ran hatch.bat test and got what I would call normal output, when compared to my working machine.
10:40 csharp hmm
10:40 csharp gsams: he ran it as the user with the problem?
10:40 gsams csharp: I sent him an email for clarification on that point, just in case.
10:41 csharp also, they've installed from the latest installer?: https://evergreen-ils.org/downl​oads/Hatch-Installer-0.1.5.exe
10:42 gsams Yes, I double checked that last night just in case they somehow got a hold of a 0.1.2 or something that didn't have the permission fixes.
10:43 csharp I think we've reached the end of what I can think of :-/
10:44 csharp https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20216224​/chrome-native-messaging-error-access-to-the​-specified-native-messaging-host-i#20216788
10:44 csharp ^^ may help?
10:45 gsams Heh, I was just looking over that late last night.
10:45 csharp perhaps the ID between the extension and hatch is mismatched?
10:48 csharp WriteRegStr HKLM "Software\Google\Chrome\Extensions\${EXTENSIONID}" "update_url" "${EXTENSION_UPDATEURL}" <-- if they can check that registry key, it might not match the extension manifest
10:55 * Dyrcona can duplicate the crashy behavior of OpenSRF by installing the updates on a test vm.
10:56 Dyrcona OpenSRF really doesn't like it if you restart ejabberd while things are running. :)
10:56 csharp yeah - it's pretty catastrophic
10:58 Dyrcona Ok. Going back to the apt discussion. I have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades on a system that is configured to do unattended upgrades.
10:59 Dyrcona It has the line to enable unattended upgrades in it that I mentioned earlier.
11:00 Dyrcona I very well may have left it on here because it is not a production server.
11:01 Dyrcona So, I think something has changed since 16.04.2 and 16.04.3, or maybe the latest apt updates.
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11:02 Dyrcona Because two Xenial servers did different things after running dpkg-reconfigure unattended-updates and turning it off.....
11:03 Dyrcona One apparently removed the 20auto-upgrades file and the other changed the values in it.
11:04 Dyrcona The former has not had the latest update to apt installed, but the latter has.
11:05 Dyrcona And, the vm where I updated erlang is seemingly unresponsive. It'll come back eventually.
11:07 Dyrcona Ok. It's gets even more interesting. A VM I made Tuesday with 16.04.3 and that is totally up to date, does not have 20auto-upgrades file. I know I chose No during installation.
11:07 Dyrcona Inconsistency, thy name is Linux.... :)
11:08 Dyrcona heh. load is 8.4 on the vm after the updates finished.
11:09 Dyrcona I did not have the problem with the C services on the test VM.
11:09 Dyrcona I guess what happened on the util server was special.
11:10 * Dyrcona should blow this vm out and build it into a test brick of 2-3 vms.
11:13 Dyrcona @monologue
11:13 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Your current monologue is at least 15 lines long.
11:15 Dyrcona Ok. If you're sick of the unattended-upgrades chatter, tell me, and I'll stop, but I did one more test.
11:15 Dyrcona If you didn't enable unattended upgrades during install with Ubuntu 16.04.3, it looks like you don't get 20auto-upgrades.
11:16 Dyrcona If you later enable it with dpkg-reconfigure, you do get the file.
11:17 Dyrcona if you subsequently disable it with dpkg-reconfigure, 20auto-upgrades is there with both update package list and unattended upgrades disabled.
11:17 Dyrcona The update package list setting conflicts with the setting in 10periodic, and I imagine 20auto-upgrades wins, given that it comes later.
11:18 * Dyrcona feels like he should have known this earlier.
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12:03 gsams Has anyone heard any reports of copy templates arbitrarily not applying settings to certain fields in the web client?
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12:06 JBoyer gsams, Yup. It's pretty awful since the logs of what went wrong are usually lost the next time you click just about anything.
12:07 JBoyer And I can't really see any pattern to it.
12:08 JBoyer (That's not much help, but at least you know it's not just happening there...)
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12:09 gsams JBoyer: At least I can tell them they aren't crazy, that is something
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13:54 tspindler The EOB meeting will be starting in 5 minutes
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14:02 tspindler #startmeeting 2018-02-15 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting
14:02 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu Feb 15 14:02:25 2018 US/Eastern.  The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to '2018_02_15___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting'
14:02 tspindler #topic roll call
14:02 tspindler Use the #info command stating name and affiliation
14:02 hbrennan #info hbrennan is Holly Brennan, Homer Public Library, Alaska
14:02 tspindler #info tspindler is Tim Spindler, CW MARS
14:02 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana
14:02 collum #info collum is Garry Collum, KCPL
14:02 ScottThomas #info scottthomas is Scott Thomas, PaILS
14:03 rgagnon #info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE
14:03 afterl #info afterl is Amy Terlaga (SFC and Conference reports)
14:03 tspindler terran and miker?
14:04 terran Sorry
14:04 terran #info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES
14:04 tspindler #info Agenda
14:04 tspindler #link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2018-02-15
14:05 tspindler #info minutes of January 19, 2018
14:05 tspindler #link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-01-19-13.00.html
14:05 tspindler Are there any corrections to the minutes?
14:06 rfrasur nope.  I'll move to accept them.
14:06 rgagnon Second
14:06 tspindler #info rfrasur moved to accept the minutes and rgagnon seconded
14:06 tspindler #startvote Accept minutes of 1-19-18? Yes, No, Abstain
14:06 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Accept minutes of 1-19-18? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:06 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:06 tspindler #vote Yes
14:06 terran #vote Yes
14:06 ScottThomas #vote Yes
14:06 rgagnon #vote Yes
14:06 collum #vote Yes
14:07 hbrennan #vote Yes
14:07 rfrasur #vote yes
14:07 tspindler #endvote
14:07 pinesol_green Voted on "Accept minutes of 1-19-18?" Results are
14:07 pinesol_green Yes (7): tspindler, rgagnon, collum, rfrasur, ScottThomas, terran, hbrennan
14:07 tspindler #topic Report of the Chair
14:07 tspindler I don't have anyting to report other than the move to MOBIUS.  I will report on that further down the agenda.
14:08 tspindler #topic Financial report
14:08 tspindler #link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?i​d=governance:financials:update_2018_01_18
14:08 tspindler I don't know if gmcharlt has any other updates on this?
14:09 tspindler #topic SFC Updates (Amy Terlaga)
14:09 afterl #info I worked with Karen Sandler of the SFC to purchase 500 lanyards for $550 based on the Board's approval last November.
14:09 afterl The order is almost complete.  Thank you to the Board.
14:09 terran afterl++
14:09 afterl #info I am still following up with Karen to make sure the SFC has purchased conference insurance for this year's conference.
14:11 tspindler Thanks afterl, anything else?
14:11 afterl No, thanks.
14:11 tspindler #topic Release Manager (Dan Wells)
14:12 tspindler Not sure if dbwells is avaialbe to udpate anything.  We are past the feature slush correct?
14:12 dbwells Yes, that is correct.
14:12 dbwells Feature freeze is set for next Friday, with beta following the next week.
14:13 tspindler #info Feature freeze set for next Friday with beta the following next week
14:13 tspindler dbwells++
14:13 tspindler sounds like things are moving along
14:14 tspindler #topic SFC Membership Review
14:14 tspindler #info Yesterday, we had a call with Donna Bacon, the executive director of MOBIUS to talk about our next steps
14:15 tspindler #info ScottThomas, rfrasur were in on the call.  I don't think collum made it unless I missed you
14:15 collum Nope.  I didn't make it.
14:16 tspindler #info Once incorporate, decisions will have to be made by the board in person, conference call, or web meeting, we can distribute information in IRC but the attorney indicted decisions have to happen synchronously and I guess IRC doesn't count
14:17 tspindler #info We would incorporate in the state of Missouri.  This will cost approximately $1500
14:18 tspindler #info Trademark transfers will cost between $300-500 since it will have to be transferred from the SFC to the new Evergreen corporation
14:18 tspindler #info I don't have details but there will also be another cost in applying for non-profit status but it coulde be approximately another $2000 (my rough estimate not the attorneys)
14:19 tspindler #info The existing EOB will be the governing board with the same people including the newly elected members in May
14:20 tspindler I think i'm forgetting something but do Ruth or Scott have anything to add.
14:20 ScottThomas You have most of it. The costs Tim stated include fees for the Mobius attorney
14:20 ScottThomas Also, the attorney will be writing the Bylaws.
14:21 ScottThomas Needless to say we will need to scrutinize them carefully.
14:21 tspindler #info We will have to have 1 inperson meeting a year which can be done at the annual conference
14:21 rfrasur I think the thing that I got from it...well, two things were..
14:21 rfrasur That we'd have to look very closely at how we do EOB meetings.
14:22 rfrasur And also be conscientious about the role of the MOBIUS attorneys if, for whatever reason (and this hopefully never happens) there was a legal issue between Evergreen and MOBIUS.
14:23 ScottThomas Yes, the role of the MOBIUS attorney is simply to get us incorporated. After that we will need to find our own.
14:23 rfrasur The attorneys are retained by MOBIUS and would act on their behalf.  Meaning there'd need to be alternate representation for Evergreen.  I suspect that's something that'll be spelled out in the by-laws, but it was good to have it clarified.
14:24 hbrennan Are our current bylaws with SFC accessible somewhere?
14:24 tspindler MOBIUS is planning to absorb the attorney fees for the initial consultation
14:25 tspindler Yesterdays meeting
14:25 rfrasur hbrennan: https://evergreen-ils.org/governance/
14:25 hbrennan https://evergreen-ils.org/wp-content/uploa​ds/gov/2012-07-01_evergreen-sponsorship-ag​reement_signed-by-all_scanned-by-bkuhn.pdf
14:25 hbrennan Found it :)
14:26 tspindler ScottThomas is correct, when the by-laws are presented we will have to make sure they are exactly what we want.  Board members will be the ones signing off on it also.
14:26 tspindler Are there any questions or concerns?
14:27 tspindler Ok moving on
14:27 tspindler #topic 2018 Conference Committee Report (Amy Terlaga)
14:28 afterl #info Conference Update:  The Early Bird deadline ends tomorrow.  We are very close to our budget goal in terms of number of registered attendees for end of early bird (100).  We are in very good shape in terms of our sponsorships.
14:28 hbrennan My only concern is that this is uncharted territory for me, personally. But I'm going to start familiarizing myself with the current bylaws
14:28 afterl #infoThe last one received was for $5,000 (Champion / Tote Bags) by MOBIUS.  Hurray, MOBIUS! That brings us to three Champion sponsorships.  We have 10 exhibitors and would love to bring in at least two more.
14:28 afterl That's all
14:28 tspindler Are registrations good?
14:29 afterl Yes.  94 now.
14:29 hbrennan I still need to register! :) Will do that today
14:29 tspindler Any questions for Amy about the conference?
14:29 terran We'll have at least 7 from PINES but we're still waiting on the state to process our approval.
14:30 rfrasur Evergreen Indiana just awarded nine scholarships, so there should be some more registrations soon.
14:30 ScottThomas 9 from PaILS
14:30 terran Nice!
14:30 tspindler 4 from CW MARS and all are registered now
14:30 tspindler #topic Outreach Committee (Kathy Lussier)
14:31 tspindler I hope all had a chance to see kmlussier's message yesterday
14:31 kmlussier Hi, I'm here too if there are any questions.
14:32 kmlussier As I mentioned in the email, we held our Evergreen session at ALA Midwinter last weekend. Elizabeth Thomsen and Shae Tetterton did a great job presenting the program, and Debbie Luchenbill provided a conference update.
14:33 tspindler I think we need to reimburse kmlusser first of all.  Would someone like to make a motion to reimburse her for $1,023?
14:33 ScottThomas So moved
14:33 terran I second
14:34 tspindler #info ScottThomas moved to reimburse kmlusser $1023 for AV use at ALA Midwinter for the Evergreen Program.  Seconded by terran.
14:35 tspindler #startvote Motion to reimburse Kathy Lussier $1023 for AV use at ALA Midwinter for the Evergreen Program? Yes, No, Abstain
14:35 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Motion to reimburse Kathy Lussier $1023 for AV use at ALA Midwinter for the Evergreen Program? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:35 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:35 rfrasur #vote yes
14:35 collum #vote yes
14:35 terran #vote Yes
14:35 tspindler #vote yes
14:35 ScottThomas #vote Yes
14:35 hbrennan #vote yes
14:36 tspindler #endvote
14:36 pinesol_green Voted on "Motion to reimburse Kathy Lussier $1023 for AV use at ALA Midwinter for the Evergreen Program?" Results are
14:36 pinesol_green Yes (6): rfrasur, tspindler, collum, ScottThomas, terran, hbrennan
14:36 tspindler afterl, do you have to contact the SFC to cut a check?
14:37 kmlussier tspindler: I can coordinate with afterl.
14:38 tspindler Ok, I am going to have CW MARS donate money to the program to defer the costs also.  I can coordinate that with afterl.
14:39 tspindler Any other questions for Outreach?
14:39 rgagnon Sorry, our bank rep. came in, I had to talk to her, I'm back.
14:40 tspindler There was no old business so I wil skip ahead
14:40 tspindler #topic New Business
14:40 tspindler I don't have anything but does anyone have anything?
14:42 tspindler #info Next meeting will be in IRC on 3/15/18 2PM EST
14:42 tspindler Thanks all.
14:42 tspindler #endmeeting
14:42 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu Feb 15 14:42:31 2018 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:42 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-02-15-14.02.html
14:42 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-02-15-14.02.txt
14:42 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2018/evergreen.2018-02-15-14.02.log.html
14:42 kmlussier tspindler++
14:42 rfrasur Thanks all :-)
14:42 hbrennan tspindler++
14:42 rfrasur tspindler++
14:42 collum tspindler++
14:42 ScottThomas tspindler++
14:42 rgagnon tspindler++
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14:43 kmlussier When talking about bylaws earlier, I noticed the Board members need to be updated in the document posted here - https://evergreen-ils.org/governance/
14:44 hbrennan Under Current Board Members?
14:44 hbrennan it looks right to me there
14:45 terran I see - in the embedded document they are out of date. I thought we had decided to not include the current board in that document. Hmm.
14:45 kmlussier hbrennan: Under the rules of governance.
14:45 kmlussier I think that gets updated through git. I'll see if I can find it.
14:47 kmlussier http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​contrib/governance.git;a=summary
14:47 kmlussier bshum++
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15:10 kmlussier gmcharlt / dbs: Any change I can get permission to write to the governance repo so that I can update the list of EOB members?
15:13 kmlussier Or Dyrcona ^ ^
15:13 * kmlussier didn't realize Dyrcona was a git admin.
15:13 * Dyrcona looks.
15:15 Dyrcona That's a very limited group of peole.
15:15 Dyrcona people, even.
15:18 Dyrcona kmlussier: You should be all set on contrib/governance.
15:18 kmlussier Dyrcona++
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16:32 hbrennan kmlussier++
16:37 dbs Dyrcona++
16:37 dbs kmlussier++
16:44 * Dyrcona is getting tired....Too many typos.
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16:56 * Dyrcona "finishes up" some internal documentation, then calls it a day.
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17:11 Dyrcona Hebedeebedeebe...That's all folks!
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18:30 pinesol_green News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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