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jeff |
csharp_: oh, back on the discussion from yesterday regarding simple inventory techniques... i'm pretty sure i've confirmed that scanning an on-shelf available item for checkin touches at least the last edit time. |
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jeff |
(then you probably just have to consider if you're willing to tolerate large swaths of the collection being "Reshelving") |
| 11:19 |
gsams |
jeff: That's how we handle the inventory process here, set a date, scan a section, report on the items in that section with an edit date before the scanning occured, etc. |
| 11:19 |
gsams |
Works well for us. |
| 11:21 |
gsams |
Also allows for the process to take a while, since it's based off of a date and not a status or other temporary setting. |
| 11:23 |
JBoyer |
jeff, that's what a few of our libraries do here, but it looks like the web client doesn't do this anymore. (it's difficult to argue that this should be changed back, it wasn't actually edited unless your view of checkin is that it's the "mark as reshelving" interface. |
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miker |
JBoyer: I'm surprised that edit_date doesn't get set /because/ of the web client, I think it's more likely a coincident change ... maybe status_changed_time could be used instead |
| 12:04 |
jeff |
JBoyer: interesting. that makes me want to go look into that more. |
| 12:36 |
jeff |
I've gone back and forth on adding features to either item status or the checkin screen vs a new dedicated "scan for inventory" screen. I think avoiding item status is best, and there's benefits in being able to smoothly handle checkin of circulating items found on the shelf, etc. |
| 12:37 |
jeff |
But I'm not sure if this is a job for Moar Checkin Modifiers or maybe an inventory interface that reuses much of checkin. |
| 12:38 |
jeff |
I do like the idea of "passive" inventory for those who want to use it: a "last seen" time that updates on some/all checkin/checkout/in-house-use scans. |
| 12:40 |
jeff |
Actually, a last seen with user/workstation that's exposed in a useful way to staff (for "where IS this?" use), AND a last_inventoried might be good. |
| 12:46 |
miker |
jeff: fwiw, several years ago Equinox created a whole plan for a grown up inventory "module" ... it would track everything on tables adjacent to asset.copy, avoiding further bloat there and allowing purpose-specific reporting (not via clark) and visualization, etc |
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JBoyer |
jeff, miker, It's been some time since this issue came up and I've not been able to look into it again. With luck I'm misremembering. |
| 13:23 |
JBoyer |
and to jeff's point about all the checkin mods; in the half-baked inventory idea I've had in the back of my mind for the last few weeks you'd open an inventory "session" and any checkin (possibly also checkout) of any item would then count as an inventory scan because the item was in sombody's hands. |
| 13:24 |
JBoyer |
I consider "do I still have this item?" to be much more important than "is this item shelved correctly?" I know pages and patrons benefit the most from the second, but just the first is a big step. |
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* JBoyer |
returns to whatever it was he was doing earlier. |
| 13:28 |
rjackson_isl_ |
Jboyer does that mean I can interrupt you again?! |
| 13:32 |
terran |
berick: Do you have a moment so I can pick your brain about the patron registration form? |
| 13:35 |
JBoyer |
terran, I've also been poking at that today so I may be able to help if it's not too awful. :) |
| 13:36 |
berick |
with our powers combined... |
| 13:38 |
jeff |
JBoyer: nope! doesn't work that way! berick is forever burdened with the sole responsibility of maintaining and answering inquiries about every interface he hath wrought. |
| 13:38 |
terran |
I'm trying to figure out a way to set a default patron permission group. |
| 13:39 |
JBoyer |
Sweet. In that case I've got some questions about why I can't enter more than 1 email when the multiple attribute is set on that field. :P |
| 13:39 |
terran |
It seems like I should be able to call set_profile(grp) |
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* berick |
was waiting for the "but..." |
| 13:42 |
terran |
Heh |
| 13:42 |
berick |
terran: i take it nothing happens? |
| 13:42 |
berick |
and no js errors |
| 13:45 |
JBoyer |
also, where are you putting that call? |
| 13:45 |
berick |
yeah, patch/diff would be helpful |
| 13:45 |
JBoyer |
(This could be generalized into a OUS (ick) and just put into the initial new user creation at line 708 of staff/circ/parton/regctl.js |
| 13:46 |
JBoyer |
That wouldn't be as a function call though, just a simple profile:value, in the user dictionary. |
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terran |
I've tried calling it a few different places and ways and haven't seen any errors in the browser console. Most recently tried adding it to the initial button creation on line 464: ng-init="set_profile('Patrons')" |
| 13:50 |
berick |
terran: grp is an object, not a string |
| 13:50 |
terran |
Also tried adding it into a separate clickable link with an onclick just to try to force it |
| 13:50 |
terran |
Ooooh |
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berick |
fwiw, JBoyer's suggestion is a better one than calling set_profile after the fact. |
| 13:52 |
berick |
hm, but that might require chagnes to copy_stage_data and copy_clone_data |
| 13:53 |
JBoyer |
Oh, I see. that user object shouldn't have that value set yet at that point for clone at least. (I didn't know if staged users had a profile? they likely wouldn't know what to pick) |
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terran |
And it's not just the value itself, but changing the value also changes the expiration date. |
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tspindler |
we will be starting the EOB meeting in a couple minutes |
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tspindler |
I will wait a couple more minutes and see if more come on |
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berick |
terran: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/960 |
| 14:01 |
berick |
^-- seting aside the better long-term solution, this should work |
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terran |
berick++ Thank you! I'll take a look after the EOB meeting |
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tspindler |
#startmeeting 2017-12-21 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Dec 21 14:02:11 2017 US/Eastern. The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2017_12_21___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting' |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#topic roll call |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
Use the #info command stating name and affiliation |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spinder, C/W MARS |
| 14:03 |
ScottThomas |
#info ScottThomas is Scott Thomas PaILS |
| 14:03 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 14:03 |
terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 14:03 |
afterl |
#info afterl = Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation (SFC and Conference Updates) |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
miker: are you around? |
| 14:03 |
miker |
oh, ho! |
| 14:03 |
miker |
I am |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
we need a simple majorit for a quorum correct? |
| 14:03 |
dluch |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS (observer) |
| 14:04 |
miker |
#info miker = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 14:04 |
miker |
tspindler: we do, yes |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
I think we just have it then |
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tspindler |
#info Agenda |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2017-12-21 |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
#info minutes of November 16, 2017 |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes |
| 14:06 |
tspindler |
Any questions or comments about the minutes, I know we had techical issue because I did not start the meetingbot correctly |
| 14:06 |
rgagnon |
Move to approve the November minutes as presented. |
| 14:06 |
ScottThomas |
So moved |
| 14:06 |
terran |
I put the copied & pasted bits here, too: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
#info rgagnon moved to accept minutes, seconded by ScottThomas |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
#startvote Approve minutes of 12-21-2017? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:07 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Approve minutes of 12-21-2017? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:07 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:07 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
#vote Yes |
| 14:07 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:07 |
rgagnon |
#vote Yes |
| 14:07 |
ScottThomas |
#vote Yes |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
#endvote |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Approve minutes of 12-21-2017?" Results are |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (5): tspindler, rgagnon, ScottThomas, miker, terran |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
#topic Report of the Chair |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
I have nothing to report here. I will talk about the current stauts of moving from the SFC to MOBIUS down on the agenda |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
#topic Financial report |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
I don't think there is anything new on the financial report |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
#topic SFC Updates (Amy Terlaga) |
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afterl |
My SFC Update will show up in Tim's SFC Review Task Force update. Tim will fill in the details. |
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tspindler |
thanks |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
#topic Release Manager (Dan Wells) |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
dbwells has the floor |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
Any developers have updates for the next release? |
| 14:11 |
dbwells |
Sorry, I wasn't aware of this meeting. |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
np, is there anything to report? |
| 14:12 |
dbwells |
I did give an update at the developer meeting earlier this month, nothing new to report from that. |
| 14:12 |
dbwells |
(I am actually out the office, so sorry for being unprepared to say more.) |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
Ok moving along |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
#topic SFC Membership Review (Tim Spindler) |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
I have had some conversations with Donna Bacon from MOBIUS. Amy and I discussed some issues also with the SFC about what is needed for the transition. |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
Donna is currently in contact with MOBIUS attorney to develop an agreement. |
| 14:15 |
tspindler |
One of the issues her attorney raised is how to have an agreement with the Evergreen Project when the Evergreen Project is not a legal entity. When I talked to her last, her attorney said he had an idea how to proceed. |
| 14:15 |
tspindler |
She is planning to talk to me in the next few weeks. |
| 14:15 |
tspindler |
Whatever happens, the SFC indicated they can review any agreement. |
| 14:16 |
tspindler |
Any questions or comments? |
| 14:17 |
rgagnon |
Is there something weird about having SFC review the agreement? |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
Do others have concerns? |
| 14:17 |
miker |
I don't think so ... their only req is that we move to a 501(c)3 |
| 14:17 |
miker |
best case, we gain some knowledge |
| 14:18 |
ScottThomas |
It is a little weird, but I don't see any harm in it and, like Mike said, we may learn a few things. |
| 14:19 |
tspindler |
Donna was also open to the Evergreen Project becoming its own non-profit. She has been OK with contining to contract with MOBIUS for services if the Evergreen Project became its own non-profit. |
| 14:19 |
tspindler |
She would support this even after we have an agreement with them and work with us to make the transition. |
| 14:20 |
tspindler |
#info MOBIUS is developing an agreement to provide services and support for the Evergreen Project |
| 14:21 |
tspindler |
Any other thoughts or questions? |
| 14:21 |
dbwells |
Ok, sorry to speak out of order but here is my summarized report from the dev meeting last week for any not there: |
| 14:21 |
dbwells |
First, I am in the process of breaking down the codebase into simple chunks to create a signup spreadsheet for any wishing to contribute to internal documentation. I expect that to be out by the new year. |
| 14:21 |
dbwells |
Second, thank you to folks who have been updating the roadmap. Here it is again, please do take a look and add anything you are planning at this point: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap:3.1 |
| 14:21 |
dbwells |
Finally, our next scheduled date at the moment is Feb 9: feature slush, but expect some of the documentation push to be fleshed out in the interim. |
| 14:22 |
dbwells |
Thanks |
| 14:22 |
* dbwells |
disappears again |
| 14:22 |
terran |
dbwells++ |
| 14:22 |
ScottThomas |
dbwells++ |
| 14:22 |
tspindler |
dbwells++ |
| 14:22 |
rgagnon |
dbwells++ |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
#topic 2018 Conference Committee Report (Amy Terlaga) |
| 14:23 |
afterl |
Evergreen Conference Update: Registration went live on November 28th. This includes Sched, which makes for easy program scheduling once you're registered. Conference T-shirts are now available. |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
The Conference Program Committee has reviewed all submitted programs and is in the process of scheduling them into their |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
respective tracks. We were hoping to receive a few more technical programs. |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
Another call has gone out for sponsorships and exhibitors. |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
We are workinig on a social activities list to post to the website. |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
Another round of program meetings and conference meetings will be scheduled in January. |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
The End. |
| 14:24 |
terran |
afterl++ |
| 14:24 |
tspindler |
afterl++ |
| 14:24 |
ScottThomas |
afterl++ |
| 14:25 |
rgagnon |
afterl++ |
| 14:25 |
tspindler |
#topic Outreach Committee |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
kmlussier is on vacation, can anyone else report on activities? |
| 14:26 |
rgagnon |
We have been working on a squarish logo, have many variations to consider. |
| 14:27 |
rgagnon |
Not to replace large horizontal logo, but as an option. |
| 14:27 |
rgagnon |
That's all that leaps to mind, sorry. |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
thanks rgagnon |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
#topic Old Business |
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tspindler |
I don't have anything left on the old business |
| 14:28 |
tspindler |
#topic New Business |
| 14:28 |
tspindler |
#info Site Selection Committee |
| 14:28 |
ScottThomas |
Just a question. What is the status of site selection for the 2019 conference? |
| 14:29 |
tspindler |
lol, I wanted to raise that issue. afterl, kmlussier and have exchanged some things on this. |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
Grace had raised a question about reexamining what is done at the conference. kmlussier and afterl thought we should have some discussion either with a taskforce or something before sending out the announcement |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
grace raised this question last spring |
| 14:31 |
tspindler |
grace had sent a message to the board |
| 14:31 |
tspindler |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2017-May/001797.html |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
afterl, any other thoughts or comments on this? |
| 14:33 |
ScottThomas |
One thing to keep in mind: we are already cutting it close with booking venues. |
| 14:33 |
tspindler |
ScottThomas: that was my concern |
| 14:34 |
tspindler |
My understanding is the Chair sends the announcement but the site selection committee reviews the submissions |
| 14:34 |
ScottThomas |
While Grace's comments are helpful, we basically know how many rooms we need, what kind of equipment etc. |
| 14:35 |
ScottThomas |
Full disclosure: I have an application ready to go. |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
Any one has any thoughts on this? If not, I'll follow up with the site selection committee about getting out an announcement |
| 14:36 |
afterl |
tspindler: good idea |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
#action tspindler will work with site selection committee to get out an announcement ASAP |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
This is all I had for new topics. Any other issues anyone wants to rais? |
| 14:38 |
ScottThomas |
tspindler++ |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
Okee dokee, enjoy festivus, you can air your grievances after the end of the meeting |
| 14:40 |
terran |
Ha! |
| 14:40 |
terran |
tspindler++ |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Dec 21 14:40:11 2017 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:40 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-12-21-14.02.html |
| 14:40 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-12-21-14.02.txt |
| 14:40 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-12-21-14.02.log.html |
| 14:40 |
terran |
holidays++ |
| 14:40 |
rgagnon |
Happy new year! |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
happy holidays and happy new year |
| 14:41 |
terran |
Minutes have been posted: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes |
| 14:49 |
terran |
berick: That works, thank you so much - our circ staff will be happy! (Or, at least, not angry.) |
| 14:59 |
berick |
progress |
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berick |
terran: did we lose a feature in webby or was this a local customization? |
| 15:00 |
terran |
I believe it was a local customization |
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cesardv_ |
hey guys, so I've been working on a simple latency tester, on the webclient, (to help with troubleshooting/etc) see bug 1739504 - just wanted to get some feedback about including something like this in the default EG |
| 15:15 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1739504 in Evergreen "Webstaff - Add Latency Test Page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739504 |
| 16:17 |
berick |
cesardv_: just a comment on the implementation... making async network calls in a loop like that means all 10 (or whatver) calls are in-flight at the same time. |
| 16:18 |
berick |
i'm guessing for ping you'd rather have each request wait until the response to the previous request has arrvied. |
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jeff |
or perhaps send async on an interval, if you're trying to mimic the behavior of ping(1) |
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* jeff |
should read the implementation before commenting on it |
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jeff |
cesardv_++ |
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jeff |
cesardv_: what was your motivation behind this -- trying to help debug any specific issue/complaint? |
| 16:31 |
cesardv_ |
berick: ah yeah I can change it to use just synchronous JS |
| 16:31 |
cesardv_ |
jeff: yep |
| 16:32 |
berick |
cesardv_: i wasn't suggesting you make it sync |
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berick |
just that each follows the other |
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berick |
sync is deprecated |
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cesardv_ |
berick: hmm I see, but yeah I guess could have the "start" button just do one at a time, but with websockets, I think if it's initially closed and needs to be opened that first ping will be slow* |
| 16:34 |
berick |
cesardv_: maybe fire and forget the first ping? |
| 16:34 |
jeff |
you could consider throwing away the first result. |
| 16:35 |
cesardv_ |
berick: yeah that could work |
| 16:35 |
berick |
cesardv_: firing multiples still makes sense |
| 16:36 |
cesardv_ |
I like the fact that after 10 or so the average is pretty solid, even if you got a slow 500ms+ ping and the rest are fast |
| 16:36 |
jeff |
what's the reason behind the "just ping once after the initial ten" behavior? looks like the end result is you send 11 pings? |
| 16:37 |
cesardv_ |
jeff: hmm no quite, click the "start test" button gets you the first 10, then after that clicking again just gets you one more |
| 16:38 |
cesardv_ |
jeff: the intent was to make it easy for the end-user to get a semi-solid average |
| 16:39 |
jeff |
ah, i think i see the intent now. |
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pastebot |
"berick" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "replace loop" (8 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/961 |
| 16:39 |
berick |
cesardv_: was thinking sometihng like that ^- |
| 16:40 |
berick |
supposed to be function pingCounter()... |
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berick |
to avoid the async pile-up |
| 16:41 |
cesardv_ |
berick: you and your fancy recursion... :) |
| 16:42 |
cesardv_ |
sure yeah that looks nice |
| 16:42 |
jeff |
depends on what you're trying to measure, i suppose. |
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cesardv_ |
berick: thanks, I'll def give that a spin |
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berick |
cesardv_++ |
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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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