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05:02 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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09:12 * tsbere wonders what happened last night with a pile of K-Lines
09:12 csharp I got that too!
09:13 tsbere Oh, look, a post on freenode.net saying "oops, a bot was given a bad instruction"
09:13 abneiman overzealous spam killing, looks like
09:13 tsbere As part of trying to stop a spambot attack
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09:19 Dyrcona @dunno
09:19 pinesol_green Dyrcona: PHRASING!!!
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09:33 csharp wow - that's awful: https://freenode.net/news/spamwave
09:38 Dyrcona klines...in my day we called them kill lines.
09:39 * gmcharlt wonders if they come in bottles
09:41 Dyrcona #monero often has random spammers posting links.
09:43 Dyrcona duh....
09:43 Dyrcona I started my SIP2 test again after reloading the database. I forgot that I need to change the read only sip group's permissions.
09:44 Dyrcona maybe I should add that to my upgrade script?
09:48 * Dyrcona sees what he considers a bug in the SIP2 groups setup here, but one person's bug is another's feature.
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09:58 jeff well that was no fun.
09:58 jeff ah. logs++ "oops, a bot was given a bad instruction"
09:59 Dyrcona jeff: Were you a victim of the bad klines?
10:00 jeff yup: 21:42:06 -!- jeff [~jeff@unaffiliated/jeff] has quit [K-Lined]
10:00 jeff ``At the height of the attack, one of the klines set resulted in a utility bot attempting to ban all users connected to the network...''
10:00 Dyrcona I wasn't signed in.
10:18 * csharp emailed them and got a response similar to the freenode.net posting
10:21 * Dyrcona likes to watch the password gropers get banned on his servers.
10:21 Dyrcona Haven't been any for a few days. I guess that Chinese botnet wasn't so big. :)
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11:16 berick anyone out there doing ssl-everywhere with EG?
11:17 berick wondering if it's time to open that LP bug
11:18 * csharp remembers a bug about that
11:18 berick oh heh, didn't even look
11:19 pinesol_green [evergreen|Cesar Velez] LP#1624443 - TPAC 500 error after adding duplicate title to Temp List - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4103ef0>
11:19 csharp bug 1507013
11:19 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1507013 in Evergreen "Forcing HTTPS breaks some functionality in staff client" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1507013
11:19 csharp same issue, different angle, I guess
11:19 berick csharp++
11:19 berick that answers anothers some of my questions, though
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11:23 Dyrcona More reason to get rid of the XUL client.
11:23 dbs that might have been my first k-line (as a victim) ever, thanks to pinesol for keeping the logs for us :)
11:24 berick that's part of what I'm thinking, Dyrcona.. make ssl-everywhere the default when xul is officially dead
11:24 berick 3.2 i guess
11:24 Dyrcona Well, technically, SSL is dead. TLS1.2+ everywhere! ;)
11:25 gmcharlt eh, we have a chance to do it for 3.0 actually
11:25 gmcharlt e.g., making the 3.0 XUL client use HTTPS to access offline.pl is totally doable
11:26 * bshum points at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1547668 and wonders if this still applies
11:26 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1547668 in Evergreen "XUL staff client does not support TLS above 1.0" [Undecided,New]
11:26 Dyrcona Hmm... You know. I didn't test the staff client with TLS1.2....
11:26 Dyrcona I don't think it can do it, can it?
11:26 dbs I should update that bug to indicate that yaz is happily connecting to HTTPS on Ubuntu 16.04, it was another victim of a particular yaz version / OS version issue
11:26 Dyrcona bshum++ # For reading my mind.
11:26 berick bshum: yeah, we'll have to continue supporting 1.0 until xul is dead
11:27 Dyrcona TLS 1.0 is dead, too. Serious vulnerabilities.
11:28 berick do the secure:false setting in the staff client have no effect?  in constants.js.
11:28 berick or do are they happy to be redirected?
11:28 * Dyrcona goes to check the dates again on the PCI ultimatum.....
11:29 berick i tested a few things here redirecting 80->443 and xul seems happy, but haven't confirmed it's hitting any of the secure:false API's
11:30 dbs well we're using the indexdata yaz packages so that might be part of it
11:32 berick eh, the secure:false stuff didn't come up in 1507013, so it's probably not an issue.
11:43 Dyrcona Y'know what really bugs me about the SSL-everywhere movement? Practically no one encrypts their email, and email should be the first that gets encrypted. Not some random website with pictures of cats.
11:52 csharp Dyrcona: yep
12:00 * Dyrcona has some config branch commits to revert/delete.
12:07 Dyrcona Nothing a git --reset --hard can't fix. ;)
12:07 phasefx Dyrcona: people still use email?
12:08 phasefx :)
12:08 Dyrcona :)
12:08 Dyrcona People still use FTP....
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12:13 phasefx I could have swore someone put together an Evergreen gopher, but can't find it
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12:14 dbs phasefx: have you checked Veronica?
12:14 phasefx dbs: no :D
12:14 Dyrcona Archie!!!!!
12:14 * Dyrcona has flashbacks to searching archie for ftp files.
12:14 * phasefx found his first telnet talker through gopher
12:16 phasefx didn't learn about IRC until later
12:17 phasefx only 8 hits in Veronica-2 for Evergreen, mostly about trees :)
12:18 jonadab There's a guy in some of the other freenode channels I frequent who keeps trying to tell me that gopher is still being used.
12:18 jonadab I told him demonstrating how gopher used to work historically doesn't really count as "still being used", but he doesn't listen.
12:19 phasefx :D
12:21 tsbere I have a friend that uses gopher. He figures it is so unlikely for someone to poke at that it is a great place to do things secretly. >_>
12:22 jonadab Gopher wasn't _bad_, it just didn't do everything the web does, and also didn't really do very much that the web can't also do, so it kind of got displaced.
12:23 jonadab I tend to think of it as Web 0.x
12:23 gmcharlt your reminder that gopher://gopher.evergreen-ils.org is a thing ;)
12:23 phasefx ah!  maybe that's what I was remembering
12:23 phasefx gmcharlt++
12:24 gmcharlt https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen​-web-team-extends-protocol-support/
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12:25 jeff phasefx: i also had an old gopher interface for early early test result status display. i didn't bother adapting it after that test system went away.
12:26 phasefx jeff++   just for giggles?
12:29 csharp "would you care for some gopher, Everett?"
12:29 * csharp can't read that word without thinking of that movie
12:30 gsams We ran across a whole gopher village
12:32 csharp gsams++
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13:59 terran EOB Meeting starting shortly
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14:03 * rfrasur is here
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14:07 terran Is Tim here?
14:08 rfrasur Not yet
14:08 rfrasur checking for any email to say who is/isn't going to be here.
14:08 scottthomas I thought I was doing something wrong. Glad to see others are here.
14:08 hbrennan :)
14:09 Dyrcona scottthomas: 60+ other people are "watching." ;)
14:09 Dyrcona And the bots... :)
14:09 rfrasur Yes...and the bots.
14:09 sherbertbc I just emailed Tim, had an email from him this morning that he was planning to be here
14:11 csharp @blame the bots
14:11 pinesol_green csharp: the bots forgot to give the gerbils their chocolate-frosted sugar bombs
14:11 hbrennan ha
14:11 Dyrcona @praise the bots
14:11 * pinesol_green You don't want to get mixed up with someone like the bots. the bots is a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
14:11 Dyrcona That one comes up too often.
14:12 terran He will be here in a moment
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14:12 rfrasur GROUP HUG
14:12 rfrasur Hi, Tim
14:12 rfrasur :D
14:12 afterl Hi, Tim
14:13 tspindler sorry about that
14:13 tspindler I had marked 2:30 on my calendar incorrectly
14:13 tspindler #startmeeting 2017-08-17 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting
14:13 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu Aug 17 14:13:25 2017 US/Eastern.  The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:13 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:13 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to '2017_08_17___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting'
14:13 tspindler #topic roll call
14:13 tspindler Use the #info command stating name and affiliation
14:13 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana
14:13 tspindler #info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS
14:13 sherbertbc #info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BC Libraries Cooperative
14:14 rgagnon #info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE
14:14 scottthomas #info scottthomas is Scott Thomas, PaILS
14:14 terran #info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES
14:14 hbrennan #info hbrennan is Holly Brennan, Homer Public Library AK
14:14 afterl #info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation
14:14 tspindler #info Agenda
14:14 tspindler #link  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2017-8-17
14:14 tspindler #minutes of July 20, 2017
14:14 tspindler #link  http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2017/evergreen.2017-07-20-14.00.html
14:15 tspindler When ever anyone is ready can I have a motion to approve the minutes of July 20, 2017
14:16 rfrasur I'll motion to approve the minutes
14:16 scottthomas #Second
14:16 rgagnon Second the motion.
14:16 tspindler #info rfrasur makes motion and scott thomas seconds
14:16 tspindler #startvote Approve minutes of 7-20-17? Yes, No, Abstain
14:16 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Approve minutes of 7-20-17? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:16 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:17 tspindler #vote Yes
14:17 hbrennan #vote Yes
14:17 rfrasur #vote yes
14:17 terran #vote Yes
14:17 sherbertbc #vote yes
14:17 rgagnon #vote Yes
14:17 scottthomas #vote Yes
14:17 tspindler #endvote
14:17 pinesol_green Voted on "Approve minutes of 7-20-17?" Results are
14:17 pinesol_green Yes (7): tspindler, rfrasur, rgagnon, scottthomas, terran, hbrennan, sherbertbc
14:17 tspindler #topic Report of the Chair
14:17 tspindler I don't have anything to report.
14:18 tspindler #topic Financial report
14:18 tspindler I don't think we have any new reports yet.  Unless gmcharlt has something?
14:18 gmcharlt tspindler: not yet, but will do so later this afternoon
14:19 tspindler Thanks, moving on
14:19 tspindler #topic SFC Updates (Amy Terlaga)
14:19 afterl Nothing to report concerning the SFC.
14:19 tspindler #topic Release Manager (Galen Charlton)
14:19 tspindler #link https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-3-0-developme​nt-update-14-results-of-the-second-feedback-fest/
14:20 gmcharlt that link is a good summary
14:20 terran gmcharlt++
14:20 tspindler gmcharlt++
14:20 rgagnon gmcharlt++
14:20 gmcharlt we're reaching a soft cutoff for new features to make it into 3.0 at the end of this week
14:20 tspindler any other questions about the upcoming release?  It is a big one I know.
14:20 gmcharlt (well, more like Monday)
14:21 gmcharlt my main plea as RM is for some testing on a couple of the big branches, particularly serials and offline mode
14:21 gmcharlt but we're nonetheless on course for reaching the primary release goal of having 3.0 be the one where we recommend use of webstaff in production for all modules
14:21 terran The initial testing I did on offline worked really well, but I haven't had a chance to test it again recently.
14:22 rfrasur gmcharlt, I suspect that this has gone out, but can you send another plea for testers through the main listserv?
14:22 tspindler I can see about more testing here also
14:22 gmcharlt rfrasur: yeah, can do
14:22 rfrasur Thank you
14:22 tspindler #topic SFC Membership Review (Sharon Herbert and Tim Spindler)
14:23 sherbertbc We received two responses to the request for information. In the process of developing a report with detailed options for EOB to consider. Nothing more to report today.
14:23 tspindler sherbertbc++
14:23 tspindler #topic 2018 Conference Committee Report (Amy Terlaga)
14:23 terran sherbertbc++
14:23 rfrasur sherbertbc++ (and gmcharlt++, retroactively)
14:24 afterl #info The first planning meeting of the 2018 Evergreen Conference Committee is scheduled for Wednesday, September 6th, 1pm.  A planning timeline has been developed and shared with the MOBIUS Team.
14:24 afterl We have a basic website up.
14:24 afterl #info The sponsorship packet is almost ready.
14:24 afterl More to follow after the 9/6/17 planning meeting.
14:24 terran afterl++
14:24 sherbertbc after1++
14:24 rgagnon afterl++
14:24 tspindler afterl++
14:24 rfrasur afterl++
14:24 rfrasur brb
14:25 tspindler afterl, how is the schedule looking to have programming information ready before early registration closes?
14:25 afterl I think good.
14:25 afterl I will make a note of that though
14:26 tspindler #topic Outreach Committee (Kathy Lussier)
14:26 tspindler Kathy is on vacation this week but I don't know if anyone else on Outreach can fill in.
14:26 terran I believe Kathy is traveling
14:26 terran Jinx
14:27 rgagnon We met recently and working on a few things.
14:28 rfrasur back
14:28 tspindler rgagnon, nothing to detail yet?
14:28 tspindler or provide details that is
14:28 rgagnon Nothing firm, at least that I can recall at this moment.
14:28 tspindler ok
14:29 tspindler #topic Old Business
14:29 tspindler we didn't have anything left from the last meeting
14:29 tspindler #topic New Business
14:29 tspindler I was wondering if someone could say anything about the status of the hackfest?
14:30 rfrasur I'm not sure if jboyer or agoben are listening in.
14:30 tspindler rfrasur, its in Indiana again, correct?
14:30 terran Yes, same place as last year
14:30 rfrasur I do know that the venue has been secured.
14:30 terran You have to call the lodge in order to get the group rate for reservation.
14:31 JBoyer Poof.
14:31 rfrasur Yes, Ft. Harrison
14:31 tspindler #info Hackfest in Indiana same location as 2016
14:31 rfrasur JBoyer, do you have some info about about the 2017 hackfest?
14:31 tspindler Jboyer, do you have anything to add/correct?
14:31 JBoyer I updated the wiki page with information on how to register; if you want to stay at the Harrison house you need to contact agoben directly.
14:31 terran I saw a mention that we'll have an EOB meeting the day before? I'm intending to arrive early afternoon.
14:32 rfrasur Yes, there's an EOB meeting, and agoben also sent out a survey about potential social things.
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14:33 tspindler I was not planning to go to the hackfest, I don't remember seeing anything
14:33 scottthomas I am sorry. I lost connection for several minutes. Am caught up via the log.
14:33 hbrennan same here
14:34 rgagnon I don't believe I've seen any info either, but also not planning on attending.
14:34 terran Anna sent out a message on July 28 to open-ils-general with info
14:34 JBoyer Didn't mean to be confusing: call the inn with the code from the wiki to get in the group block, contact agoben for availability of the harrison house.
14:34 tspindler #link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.or​g/doku.php?id=hack-a-way-2017
14:35 JBoyer Thanks tspindler, I didn't have that handy
14:35 JBoyer And I *think* the EOB day is intended to be streamed or teleconferenced in some way, though the details aren't in front of me at the moment.
14:35 tspindler I don't remember anyone talking to me about holding an EOB meeting before the hack-away
14:36 tspindler If we can do a teleconference, i think that can work.
14:36 rfrasur tspindler, it was something that we talked about at the EOB meeting that was held last year at the hack-away.  I'm not sure we've talked much more about it since then.
14:37 JBoyer We're just ready for it, whether or not it actually / what happens is up to you fine folks. :)
14:37 tspindler rfrasur: thanks
14:38 rfrasur Jboyer, thank you
14:38 rfrasur JBoyer++
14:38 tspindler If we held it like last year, would the EOB be on November 7?
14:38 terran Either way is fine with me - although I might actually have to take real meeting notes instead of relying on IRC's logs.
14:38 tspindler JBoyer++
14:38 JBoyer It's intended to be the day before the actual hackfest. I can look that part up...
14:39 tspindler I will be on vacation November 6 so I can't do that day.
14:39 JBoyer 11/6 is the planned EOB day.
14:39 tspindler JBoyer, are you the main organizer?
14:40 terran The normal day would be Nov 16.
14:40 JBoyer agoben has been organizing things on this end, she's unavailable at the moment however.
14:40 tspindler ok
14:41 rfrasur tspindler, I forwarded the email to you.
14:41 tspindler #action tspindler will work with hack-a-away organizes about the an EOB meeting
14:42 tspindler Any other questions about the hack-a-away?
14:42 tspindler We will be sending Drycona  there
14:43 JBoyer It's not an issue on this end if the EOB is still on the 16th, the room that is reserved is at the ISL so it won't cost anything either way.
14:43 tspindler Would the rest of the EOB like to hold it in conjunction with the Hack-away or wait?
14:43 JBoyer (I think all of that came about because of the proximity of several members rather than a long term desire to tie an EOB meeting and the hack a way together)
14:44 tspindler Who on the EOB is going to it?
14:44 hbrennan Either date works for me right now. As long as it's still late enough in the day for this Alaskan to join
14:44 hbrennan I won't be there
14:44 rfrasur JBoyer, that's correct.  And there were also some issues that lent themselves to face-to-face interaction
14:44 sherbertbc I won't be there
14:45 terran I'll be there
14:45 rfrasur I CAN be there, and hope to be attending whatever evening thing is going on...
14:45 * rfrasur isn't a developer though.
14:45 scottthomas Nor will I. I have a board meeting.
14:45 rgagnon The 6th may be a problem for me, but not going to Indiana.
14:46 rfrasur It sounds like there won't be enough attendance for an EOB meeting at the Hackaway.
14:46 terran I'm happy to do it on the 16th as normal.
14:46 tspindler Ok, it doesn't sound like there is ned to meet at the Hackaway.  Unless something crops up , I don't hink we have an urgent issue.
14:46 rfrasur Even with teleconferencing.  Perhaps it'd be better to do it on the 16th and get a Hackaway update.
14:46 tspindler Let's keep the normal date then.
14:47 tspindler I could organize a teleconference.  We have GoToMeeting if the EOB would want to use that?
14:48 tspindler Ok, we will leave that for discussion later.
14:48 rfrasur Is there some reason to do teleconferencing rather than IRC?
14:48 tspindler No, I just wasn't sure if someone wanted a teleconference
14:48 rfrasur Ah, gotcha.
14:49 tspindler Any other new business?
14:50 tspindler Ok, can I have a motion to adjourn?
14:50 * rfrasur motions to adjourn
14:50 rfrasur :D
14:50 tspindler #endmeeting
14:50 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu Aug 17 14:50:19 2017 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:50 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2017/evergreen.2017-08-17-14.13.html
14:50 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2017/evergreen.2017-08-17-14.13.txt
14:50 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2017/evergreen.2017-08-17-14.13.log.html
14:50 sherbertbc tspindler++
14:50 terran tspindler++
14:50 hbrennan tspindler++
14:50 scottthomas tspindler++
14:50 rfrasur tspindler++
14:50 rgagnon tspindler++
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14:51 rfrasur lol, all the jumping out of IRC.  Thanks guys and gals.  Carry on...and...um.
14:52 berick heh
14:52 hbrennan rfrasur: I'm still here!
14:52 berick saucers left spinning on tables
14:52 hbrennan :)
14:52 rfrasur I'm staying...for now.  Just because
14:52 hbrennan same
14:52 rfrasur hbrennan!!  Yes!
14:53 bshum @dessert rfrasur
14:53 * pinesol_green grabs some Sweet Potato Pie for rfrasur
14:53 terran me too
14:53 rfrasur I love sweet potato pie.  Thank you.
14:53 rfrasur Terran!!  Also Yes!!
14:54 terran Sweet potato pie sounds really good. I suppose I should eat something besides corn nuts today.
14:55 rfrasur Uh, yeah.  Most assuredly.  And sweet potato pie is kinda like eating a fruit...and a vegetable...and a starch..
14:55 rfrasur It's basically a full meal.
14:55 rfrasur Kinda like pizza
14:55 rfrasur Without cheese
14:55 rfrasur Hopefully
14:55 * rfrasur had caffeine.
14:55 hbrennan ha
14:57 abneiman dang you guys, now I want sweet potato pie, and corn nuts, and pizza....
14:57 hbrennan bahahaha
14:57 hbrennan me too
14:57 hbrennan And I have.... 2 1/2 hours until lunch :(
14:58 rfrasur abneiman, I'd feel a little bad about that, but you know.  I don't.
14:58 * rfrasur grins mischieviously
14:58 abneiman :)
14:58 * abneiman might have to revise dinner plans
14:58 rfrasur It's all on account of that sushi platter you posted.
14:59 abneiman LOL... dude, that was like, WEEKS ago
14:59 rfrasur I have a LONG memory.
14:59 abneiman ...for sushi :)
14:59 rfrasur I mean, it's not like I hold grudges...but I really like sushi.
15:00 rfrasur :D
15:01 hbrennan Confession: I find a sushi place at every conference
15:01 rfrasur That's not a confession, Holly.  That's SOP.
15:01 rfrasur I find no fault in that whatsoever.  No absolution necessary.
15:01 abneiman hbrennan: I try to do the same.  Missed out in CVG though.
15:02 hbrennan I always have to stay over Sat night and everyone leaves... so I have a bed picnic
15:02 * rfrasur laughs
15:02 rfrasur St. Charles is pretty close to me.  I'd totally stay longer for sushi.
15:02 hbrennan abneiman: You missed Wabi Sabi half price all day every day!
15:03 hbrennan It was a trick though. Had to eat in for half price
15:03 abneiman hbrennan: the place in my town does the same.  All it does is encourage me to overorder...
15:03 hbrennan abneiman: Ha. I believe this
15:03 rfrasur Hmm, now I'm pondering the implications of eating at Wabi Sabi and drinking Cabo Wabo.
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15:17 rfrasur Okay, peace y'all :-)
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16:32 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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16:42 gmcharlt csharp: my last comment in bug 1709710 gives you an alternative thing to try
16:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1709710 in Evergreen "OpenSRF Installation Instructions for ejabberd" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709710 - Assigned to Adam Bowling (abowling)
16:42 gmcharlt also, dbs ^^
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22:02 dbs gmcharlt: yeah saw that, thanks - seems like it would require a recompile & install of most of the shared libs and binary executables in OpenSRF and Evergreen?
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