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kmlussier |
@coffee [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
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kmlussier |
@tea [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
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JBoyer |
ARDI or ARDINOT, that is the question. |
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just heard a whooshing sound... :) |
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JBoyer |
(Too many meetings for tea!) |
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JBoyer |
Bad pun on the tea name I was randomly chosen for this morning. |
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JBoyer |
Not so much a pun I suppose. Anyway. |
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I see.... I wondered what Ardipithecus ramidus had to do with anything. :) |
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JBoyer |
Well hello, hello: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/lets-encrypt-to-start-offering-free-wildcard-certificates-for-https/ |
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JBoyer, nice! |
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ohiojoe |
Just a heads up, DIG meeting will be starting here in about 20 minutes |
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kmlussier |
ohiojoe++ #Early karma for facilitating your first DIG meeting. :) |
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ohiojoe |
about 5 minutes until the DIG meeting, just an FYI |
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ohiojoe |
thank you :) |
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ohiojoe |
well, it looks like it's time |
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ohiojoe |
#startmeeting 2017-07-06 Documentation Interest Group Meeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jul 6 14:01:20 2017 US/Eastern. The chair is ohiojoe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2017_07_06_documentation_interest_group_meeting' |
| 14:01 |
ohiojoe |
#topic Introductions |
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ohiojoe |
please introduce yourselves, paste "#info <username> is <name> <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent |
| 14:02 |
Christineb |
#info Christineb is Christine Burns BC Libraries Cooperative / Sitka |
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jihpringle |
#info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) |
| 14:02 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx is Jason Etheridge, EOLI, just lurking :) |
| 14:02 |
dluch |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill MOBIUS / Missouri Evergreen |
| 14:02 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman - Andrea Buntz Neiman, EOLI |
| 14:02 |
jlundgren |
#info jlundgren is Jeanette Lundgren, C/W MARS |
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fbeaudry |
#info fbeaudry is Felicia Beaudry EOLI |
| 14:02 |
ohiojoe |
#info ohiojoe is Joe Knueven, Germantown Public Library, COOL |
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jweston |
#info jweston is Jennifer Weston, NC Cardinal |
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katiemartin |
#info katiemartin is Katie Greenleaf Martin, Blair County libraries, SPARK consortium in PA |
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Desiree_ |
#info desiree_ is Desiree Van Tassel practicum student with MOBIUS |
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kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
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cesardv_ |
#info cesardv - Cesar Velez, EOLI, lurking |
| 14:03 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron is Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 14:04 |
ohiojoe |
oh, I nearly forgot, I should mention that the agenda is availble at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20170706-agenda |
| 14:05 |
ohiojoe |
#topic Old Business |
| 14:06 |
ohiojoe |
Previous action items. I included the action items that came out of the Februrary meeting. That said, that was rather a long time ago.. |
| 14:08 |
kmlussier |
Do we want to go through each of the action items to see if they still need to be done? It doesn't look like sandbergja is around to report on hers. |
| 14:09 |
ohiojoe |
sounds like a good idea. |
| 14:10 |
ohiojoe |
skipping to #2, Christineb you offered to add a link from the Web site's documenation page to the new playlist. Any update? |
| 14:10 |
Christineb |
ohiojoe - I couldn't decide where to put it so I asked the new Web team to consider options |
| 14:11 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: Did we come to a consensus on that? I can't remember. |
| 14:11 |
Christineb |
I will follow up with them to find out if they had a preference |
| 14:11 |
Christineb |
kmlussier - I can't remember I was going to check the call minutes |
| 14:11 |
Christineb |
or irc log |
| 14:12 |
kmlussier |
OK, I'm looking too. We'll figure something out. |
| 14:12 |
ohiojoe |
that sounds like a good plan. lets see, I believe I should.. |
| 14:12 |
Christineb |
there was discussion about changing the list - potentially creating an Evergreen channel |
| 14:13 |
Christineb |
currenlty the playlist is on the BC Libraries Cooperative channel so the banner and branding is Co-op specific |
| 14:13 |
ohiojoe |
#action Christineb will follow up with web team to add a link from the web site's documenation page to the new playlist |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: Looks like the consensus was to put it in the Doc menu for now, but also that we explore other options for the future. If you need help putting it there, let me know. |
| 14:14 |
Christineb |
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdwlgwBNnH4riThcmOwvdLTddsn435RcJ |
| 14:14 |
Christineb |
kmlussier - I will try and let you know |
| 14:14 |
Christineb |
cheers |
| 14:15 |
ohiojoe |
moving along, item 3, Everybody will send useful, Evergreen-related, Creative Commons-licensed videos to Christineb |
| 14:15 |
dluch |
I totally forgot to send anything. Sorry. |
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remingtron |
sandbergja: welcome! we're having a DIG meeting, isn't that great? |
| 14:17 |
sandbergja |
remingtron: thanks! |
| 14:17 |
sandbergja |
sorry I'm late, everyone! |
| 14:17 |
ohiojoe |
no worries. please, go ahead and introduce yourself |
| 14:18 |
sandbergja |
#info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College |
| 14:19 |
dluch |
So, Christineb, did you get any/many videos for the site? |
| 14:20 |
Christineb |
we currently have 6 videos from 4 contributors |
| 14:20 |
Christineb |
I believe one video was removed as it was for an older version |
| 14:20 |
jweston |
NC Cardinal has a few tutorial videos but we are still on 2.9. Would you want these? |
| 14:21 |
kmlussier |
Sorry if this question has been answered in previous meetings, but are we planning to include videos just for currently-supported versions? |
| 14:21 |
Christineb |
I'm not sure that was ever decided |
| 14:22 |
Christineb |
this maybe a reason to consider an evergreen specific channel |
| 14:22 |
Christineb |
then we could have multiple playlists |
| 14:22 |
sandbergja |
It seems like weeding out old versions would be a lot of work for Christineb if the playlist grows too much |
| 14:22 |
Christineb |
version specific, module specific etc |
| 14:22 |
kmlussier |
Yes, it's also tricky. Reports haven't changed much in recent releases, so the intro to reports video is probably still good. Other videos may have a shorter shelflife. |
| 14:22 |
jihpringle |
being able to have a new playlist once web client videos start coming out would probably be a good idea |
| 14:23 |
Christineb |
it is possible for me to share a contibutor url - it allows anyone with the link the ability to add videos or remove (only ones they have added) |
| 14:23 |
remingtron |
Christineb: sounds like a good idea, then people can simply ignore old playlists (e.g. 2.8) |
| 14:24 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, I like the idea of an Evergreen channel with multiple playlists. A video could then be part of multiple playlists too. |
| 14:24 |
dluch |
Yeah, I agree |
| 14:24 |
jweston |
Me, too - - can I say "+1" - - I have always wanted to do that. |
| 14:24 |
ohiojoe |
+1 |
| 14:25 |
ohiojoe |
that said, is anyone volunteering to set that up? |
| 14:25 |
Christineb |
I can do it |
| 14:25 |
kmlussier |
jweston: Yes, absolutely! +1 away! :) |
| 14:25 |
sandbergja |
Christineb++ |
| 14:25 |
kmlussier |
Christineb++ |
| 14:25 |
Christineb |
Question - do you think it would be ok to share the account username and password on the Evergreen wiki? |
| 14:25 |
ohiojoe |
Christineb++ |
| 14:25 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: I don't think it's a good idea. |
| 14:25 |
Christineb |
I could create a wiki page and we could use that to write some guidelines |
| 14:25 |
dluch |
Christineb++ |
| 14:26 |
Christineb |
ok I am ok to manage the account |
| 14:26 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: Can the channel be administered by multiple accounts? |
| 14:26 |
Christineb |
I will investigate |
| 14:26 |
sandbergja |
Thanks for all your youtube work, Christineb! |
| 14:27 |
Christineb |
our BC Libraries Cooperative channel is administered by one account but it may be possible |
| 14:27 |
ohiojoe |
#action Christineb will setup an evergreen specific channel with specific playlist |
| 14:27 |
kmlussier |
It looks like there is one owner, but you can have multiple managers. |
| 14:27 |
Christineb |
ok perfect |
| 14:28 |
ohiojoe |
looping back to previous action item 1, sandbergja, do you have anything to report on researching the state of missing RDA content from way back in Februrary? |
| 14:29 |
sandbergja |
nope, sorry |
| 14:29 |
sandbergja |
could you add that as an action item for me to work on for next time? |
| 14:29 |
ohiojoe |
absolutely |
| 14:29 |
ohiojoe |
#action sandbergja will research the state of missing RDA content |
| 14:30 |
phasefx |
just an aside, we can partition parts of the wiki off for users with specific credentials |
| 14:30 |
phasefx |
(he says 5 minutes later) |
| 14:31 |
ohiojoe |
ok, it looks like pervious action item #4 pertained to either the conference or plans from back in March or April |
| 14:32 |
sandbergja |
Yes, I think that one's old |
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| 14:32 |
ohiojoe |
#topic Progress on Web Client docs |
| 14:32 |
ohiojoe |
(I just realized that I should have done that with the "Previous action items") |
| 14:33 |
remingtron |
ohiojoe: you're doing great! |
| 14:34 |
sandbergja |
agreed! |
| 14:36 |
remingtron |
I've been reviewing the webclient wiki page |
| 14:36 |
remingtron |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:webclient |
| 14:37 |
remingtron |
Looks like anything marked "DONE" has been committed to the 2.12+ docs |
| 14:37 |
remingtron |
any other links in the left-hand column are still needing review |
| 14:40 |
jweston |
Even if the progress says "No Change", it still needs to be reviewed, correct? |
| 14:40 |
dluch |
Okay, so, "DONE" and "NO CHANGE" are all set? And the ones that say "New Draft" and "ready for Review", etc.? |
| 14:41 |
dluch |
lol. on the same wavelength as jweston... |
| 14:41 |
sandbergja |
jweston: my understanding was that if something says "No change", it's already been reviewed |
| 14:41 |
remingtron |
if it says "no change", that should mean "no change required", meaning it's done |
| 14:41 |
dluch |
And if that column is totally blank, no one's reviewed it yet at all ? |
| 14:42 |
remingtron |
correct, blank means it needs initial review |
| 14:42 |
kmlussier |
Do you think we should schedule a couple of more web client documentation days between now and the 3.0 release? |
| 14:42 |
dluch |
k, thx |
| 14:42 |
jweston |
Got it. |
| 14:43 |
dluch |
I think that would be a good idea. |
| 14:45 |
jweston |
+1 |
| 14:45 |
kmlussier |
I could send out the Doodle poll. |
| 14:45 |
kmlussier |
Maybe we could schedule one for August and one for September? |
| 14:45 |
sandbergja |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:46 |
ohiojoe |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:46 |
ohiojoe |
I agree, I also think one each of the next 2 months is probably a good diea.. |
| 14:46 |
ohiojoe |
kmlussier - if you don't mind sending out a poll, I think that would be good.. |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
ohiojoe: Sure. Do you want to add it as an action item so I don't forget? |
| 14:47 |
ohiojoe |
#action kmlussier will send out a poll to schedule web client documentation days for August and September |
| 14:48 |
ohiojoe |
#topic New Business |
| 14:48 |
ohiojoe |
#topic new DIG Facilitator |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
I nominate ohiojoe |
| 14:49 |
ohiojoe |
I volunteered to facilitate going forward. Are there any objections? |
| 14:49 |
remingtron |
no objections! |
| 14:49 |
Christineb |
ohiojoe++ |
| 14:49 |
dluch |
No objections! ohiojoe++ |
| 14:49 |
ohiojoe |
we could actually vote on this if we'd like |
| 14:50 |
kmlussier |
Sure! |
| 14:50 |
kmlussier |
Let's make it all official. |
| 14:50 |
ohiojoe |
ok |
| 14:51 |
ohiojoe |
#startvote Should ohiojoe be the DIG Facilitator? yes, no, abstain |
| 14:51 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Should ohiojoe be the DIG Facilitator? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:51 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:51 |
sandbergja |
#vote yes |
| 14:51 |
jweston |
#vote Yes |
| 14:51 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:51 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
jihpringle |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
remingtron |
#vote YES |
| 14:52 |
Christineb |
yes |
| 14:52 |
fbeaudry |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
Christineb |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
katiemartin |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
ohiojoe |
I will make a point of trying to bring this quesiton up once a year to make sure no one else wants the opportunity.. |
| 14:53 |
ohiojoe |
or I'll try to remember, at any rate |
| 14:53 |
jweston |
ohiojoe++ |
| 14:53 |
ohiojoe |
#endvote |
| 14:53 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Should ohiojoe be the DIG Facilitator?" Results are |
| 14:53 |
pinesol_green |
yes (10): kmlussier, katiemartin, sandbergja, jlundgren, jweston, remingtron, dluch, jihpringle, fbeaudry, Christineb |
| 14:53 |
ohiojoe |
moving along |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
ohiojoe: I think that's a good idea for any committee, even if we end up electing you every year. |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
ohiojoe++ |
| 14:53 |
ohiojoe |
#topic DIG meeting time going forward |
| 14:54 |
ohiojoe |
would you all like to discuss this now, or would you rather I send out another doodle poll? I thought it was interesting to see that the winning time was the old regular date/time |
| 14:55 |
sandbergja |
Doodle poll sounds good to me |
| 14:55 |
remingtron |
especially for summer, Doodle poll seems good |
| 14:55 |
kmlussier |
Oh, it is the same time. I hadn't even noticed that. |
| 14:56 |
dluch |
Doodle poll is good. |
| 14:58 |
ohiojoe |
#action ohiojoe will send out a doodle poll to pick a regular DIG meeting date and time |
| 14:58 |
ohiojoe |
ok, question for you all, we are coming up on 1 hour. do we normally soldier on or try to wrap it up? |
| 14:59 |
remingtron |
I prefer keeping it to 1 hour |
| 14:59 |
remingtron |
I think that has been our "normal" |
| 15:00 |
jweston |
Newbie here - but if the next items are about progress on documentation. Couldn't we just cover that during the web client documentation days? |
| 15:00 |
sandbergja |
I have an announcement about ongoing business (b), but I can send that out to the email list |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
+1 to wrapping up in the hour. |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
We can talk about progress on documentation at the next meeting. For now, I think we should try to focus on web client documentation as much as we can. |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
However, I am curious about sandbergja's announcement. :) |
| 15:02 |
sandbergja |
kmlussier: I'm typing it up now. :-) |
| 15:02 |
ohiojoe |
sandbergja , why if you don't mind, why do you share your announcement? we can wrap up after that, and I'll start with ongoing business next time around |
| 15:02 |
ohiojoe |
#topic Ongoing Business |
| 15:02 |
sandbergja |
Sure! |
| 15:03 |
ohiojoe |
Progress on Docs Reorganization project |
| 15:03 |
sandbergja |
With the help of a student here, we were able to put together a proof-of-concept |
| 15:04 |
sandbergja |
that divides the big monolith of official documentation into different manuals for different folks in the library |
| 15:04 |
sandbergja |
#link http://docs-testing.evergreen-ils.org/ |
| 15:04 |
sandbergja |
there's something wrong with the serials module, but the others should be ready to explore |
| 15:04 |
katiemartin |
neat! |
| 15:05 |
sandbergja |
they are not perfect by any means, but should help to give us a feel for what our docs would look like in a more audience-focused format |
| 15:05 |
jihpringle |
that's awesome! |
| 15:05 |
jweston |
very cool |
| 15:05 |
sandbergja |
Send any thoughts, critiques, etc. my way. :-) |
| 15:05 |
dluch |
Sweet! sandbergja++ |
| 15:05 |
ohiojoe |
that does look very nice |
| 15:05 |
kmlussier |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:05 |
dluch |
(ad student!) |
| 15:05 |
ohiojoe |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:05 |
sandbergja |
^ something wrong with the serials *manual*, not module |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
thanks, everyone! |
| 15:06 |
jihpringle |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
The student is jillianne |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
jillianne++ |
| 15:06 |
remingtron |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:06 |
kmlussier |
jillianne++ |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
but she couldn't make it today :-) |
| 15:06 |
jihpringle |
jillianne++ |
| 15:06 |
dluch |
jillianne++ |
| 15:06 |
ohiojoe |
jillianne++ |
| 15:07 |
ohiojoe |
with that said.. |
| 15:07 |
ohiojoe |
#endmeeting |
| 15:07 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jul 6 15:07:20 2017 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:07 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-07-06-14.01.html |
| 15:07 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-07-06-14.01.txt |
| 15:07 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-07-06-14.01.log.html |
| 15:07 |
sandbergja |
ohiojoe++ |
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| 15:07 |
jihpringle |
ohiojoe++ |
| 15:07 |
kmlussier |
ohiojoe++ |
| 15:07 |
remingtron |
jillianne++ |
| 15:07 |
remingtron |
ohiojoe++ |
| 15:07 |
kmlussier |
The Doodle poll for the web client hacking days is available at http://doodle.com/poll/r2q3hbmbssv7hhgw |
| 15:07 |
ohiojoe |
Thank you everyone for dedicating the time. |
| 15:07 |
dluch |
ohiojoe++ |
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| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
Anyone have trouble with things being in the asset.transit_copy table, but the status of the item is not "In transit" ? |
| 15:39 |
Bmagic |
I am trying to think of ways this is allowed to happen |
| 15:39 |
kmlussier |
Bmagic: Canceled transits? |
| 15:39 |
kmlussier |
Bmagic: What release are you on? |
| 15:39 |
Bmagic |
The status of the items are all over the place. Damaged, Lost, Discard/Weed, In-Library Use |
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Bmagic |
2.11 |
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Bmagic |
if you abort a transit on our system, the row in asset.transit_copy should be deleted |
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pastebot |
"Bmagic" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Query to show weird transits" (11 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/180 |
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kmlussier |
Yeah, most of the situations I'm aware of where this happened were pre-2.11 |
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Bmagic |
I am just wanting to explain it somehow to our staff |
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Bmagic |
I suppose they could manually change the status of an item after it had gone into transit |
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Bmagic |
is there another way? |
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Dyrcona |
When a transit was aborted in the past, the copy status was set to a saved status value, IIRC. |
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Dyrcona |
And that was done regardless of the current copy status. |
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Dyrcona |
So, if the copy was checked out all kinds of fun ensued. |
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Dyrcona |
But that's about all I remember about it. I'm trying to block it out. :) |
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Bmagic |
haha |
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Dyrcona |
There were ways that a transit could get "stuck." |
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Bmagic |
I suppose I can just delete the rows in that table under these circumstances |
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Dyrcona |
That's probably the safest thing. |
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Dyrcona |
I used to deal with them in a similar manner. |
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Dyrcona |
I haven't had to deal with it for over a year. |
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Dyrcona |
Let me see if I have any sql or perl scripts hanging around... |
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Dyrcona |
Looks like what I do have are pretty specific to certain conditions, but I basically deleted rows from asset.hold_transit_copy when appropriate. |
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Dyrcona |
action.hold_transit_copy, sorry for the thinko. |
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mmorgan1 |
Bmagic: Dyrcona: Just worth a mention that in 3.0 transit rows won't be deleted: lp 1612752 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1612752 in Evergreen "Feature Request: Cancel Transits, Don't Delete Them" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1612752 |
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Bmagic |
mmorgain1: right, I was watching that discussion |
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Dyrcona |
Yeap. I'm aware of that, too. |
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Bmagic |
When the EDI mechanism FTP's a file from the Evergreen server to the vendor, can we customize the file extension to meet the vendor's requirements? |
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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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berick |
Bmagic: yes, somedir/*.edi (for example) should do it |
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Bmagic |
that belongs in the "out" |
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Bmagic |
Their server has a directory "in" and "out" - which I suppose is in their point of view. Therefore, "in" means incoming TO THE VENDOR. And "out" is FROM THE VENDOR |
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berick |
for delivery to the vendor: acq.edi_account.path = in/*.foo |
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Bmagic |
berick++ |
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Fr0z |
hello |
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Fr0z |
can i ask what is evergreen about?i read the "about" thing but i couldn't understand |
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Fr0z |
i mean,is it only to handle databases and libraries? |
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jonadab |
Fr0z: Evergreen is an integrated library system, i.e., software a library (or group of libraries) would use for all the library-specific stuff: cataloging the collection, tracking patrons and circulation, etc. |
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Fr0z |
i wanna become a penetration tester.is everygreen a good application to start with? |
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Fr0z |
evergreen* |
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jonadab |
The catalog maybe? |
| 20:34 |
Fr0z |
yes |
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jonadab |
I mean, I don't know that much about penetration testing. I know what it _is_, but it's not something I've ever dabbled in. |
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Fr0z |
and one more thing :P.is it easy to handle as a newcomer? |
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jonadab |
Only if somebody else does the installation. |
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jonadab |
Installing Evergreen is more complicated than installing most software.\ |
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Fr0z |
really? XD |
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jonadab |
This is improving, gradually. |
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Fr0z |
but there is a documentation about that,isn't it? |
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jonadab |
But it's still much more complicated than the typical ./configure && make && make install you see for off-the-shelf software. |
| 20:36 |
jonadab |
Yes, there's documentation on the installation. |
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jonadab |
It's like thirty pages long. |
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jonadab |
For a reason. |
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Fr0z |
oh god |
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jonadab |
If you want something easy to install, you probably want off-the-shelf software, i.e., something way less industry-specific. The kind of thing that's used in all kinds of offices regardless of the kind of organization or business. |
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jonadab |
Which, I mean, Evergreen depends on and uses several such packages. Apache, ejabberd, etc. |
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jonadab |
From a security perspective, libraries are _usually_ not major targets. I mean, we obviously have to defend against the stuff everybody has to defend against, worms, trojans, etc. |
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Fr0z |
well i just wanna create a server for all the stuff i want to learn on how to break in |
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Fr0z |
like sql,ftp,smtp and stuff like that |
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Fr0z |
i am also learning python and bash atm |
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jonadab |
I don't know if it's common for libraries to hire penetration testers. Large library systems maybe? Dunno. (I work for a small library, we would never have budget for that.) |
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Fr0z |
hehe |
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Fr0z |
when we're talking about libraries are we talking about scripts and programs? |
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jonadab |
Common industry-standard off-the-shelf stuff like SQL, http, smtp, etc. is _used by_ Evergreen, but that stuff's mostly handled by other software. Postgres, Apache, etc. |
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Fr0z |
i don't even know what you mean with off the shelf |
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jonadab |
Fr0z: In the context of Evergreen, "Libraries" means organizations that lend out books and videos and other materials to the public for free. |
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Fr0z |
oooooh |
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jonadab |
off-the-shelf means standard software that you can just install and use easily for standard stuff everybody does. |
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jonadab |
Like word processing software, web browsers, web servers, etc. |
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Fr0z |
i can see |
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jonadab |
As opposed to industry-specific software like Evergreen, or Enterprise software like Citrix. |
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Fr0z |
thank you for your assistance |
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Fr0z |
^^ |
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jonadab |
I _suppose_ I should probably not string along those fellows. The #nethack ops generally give them just about one "You're wrong here" warning before kicking them. |
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jonadab |
(We get them a lot over there because NetHack has the word "hack" in it, which has shifted in meaning over the decades.) |
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