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04:31 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:52 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jane Sandberg] Docs: Add doc for Cash Reports feature - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3a61058>
08:52 kmlussier Happy Friday #evergreen!
08:53 kmlussier @coffee everyone
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08:53 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Colombia La Escuelita, and sends it sliding down the bar to everyone
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09:14 Bmagic @coffee
09:14 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of La Esmeralda Panama, and sends it sliding down the bar to Bmagic
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09:25 Bmagic https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand​style/wordofmouth/2009/may/20/most-​expensive-coffee-esmerelda-panama
09:25 Bmagic "If you swallow, the caffeine can affect your judgment,"
09:27 mmorgan We can only hope ;-)
09:28 Bmagic So, this coffee is $148 on Amazon!
09:28 Bmagic https://www.amazon.com/Coffee-Esmeralda-sp​ecies-coffee-remains/dp/B00PJUC8QK/ref=sr_​1_12_a_it?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499433949&amp;s​r=8-12&amp;keywords=La+Esmeralda+Panama
09:30 kmlussier Even if I could afford $148 coffee, I don't think I would ever spend it.
09:31 Bmagic We are talking about pooling our money in the office here and getting a bag
09:31 Bmagic I did the calculation and 200 Grams is only .44 pounds!
09:31 Bmagic So, that means, it's $300 per pound! That is insane
09:33 mmorgan Checkout the "About the product" ???
09:34 mmorgan Seems a bit vague
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09:35 Freddy_Enrique How come coffe is that expensive?
09:35 Freddy_Enrique Happy friday dears evergreeners
09:35 kmlussier So the serials Previous Issuance Copy Location setting only works when using the batch receive interface? Is that correct?
09:35 Freddy_Enrique dear*
09:36 * kmlussier is so very very happy about one serials interface in the web client.
09:37 kmlussier Freddy_Enrique: Happy Friday!
09:44 Freddy_Enrique *Freddy doesn´t know how in the world coffee could reach that amount of money
09:44 Freddy_Enrique Ok, just tea for the moment
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09:54 * kmlussier wanders off for a bit.
10:26 Freddy_Enrique Guys, I would like you to help me with this one. I tried to change my OPAC color but nothing happens: https://snag.gy/aV4dzq.jpg
10:27 Freddy_Enrique I configured the apache to make it work
10:27 Freddy_Enrique and the directory of my template_custom is the same as the default one
10:29 Bmagic Freddy_Enrique: Are you overloading the template directories, with the default one listed first in the eg_vhost.conf file?
10:30 Dyrcona PerlAddVar OILSWebTemplatePath "@localstatedir@/templates_custom" in the eg_vhost.conf.in ?
10:30 Dyrcona And, yeah, like Bmagic said, it should come after the one for the regular templates.
10:31 Bmagic PerlAddVar OILSWebTemplatePath "/openils/var/templates/templates"  (should be listed first in eg_vhost.conf)
10:32 Bmagic followed by the path to your customized templates. Your custom templates folder needs to contain the exact same folder structure pathing to each of the overloaded tt2 files
10:32 * Dyrcona modifies the files in custom git branches...
10:32 Dyrcona If you're not tracking customizations in git, you should be. :)
10:34 Freddy_Enrique Let see. I saw an example of how to how to override a template
10:34 Freddy_Enrique mkdir -p /openils/var/templates_custom/opac and then cp /openils/var/templates/opac/advanced.tt2 \
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10:35 Freddy_Enrique that process should be for all the files I want to customize?
10:35 Freddy_Enrique Because, I was creating the files mannually using the winscp
10:36 Freddy_Enrique Thing is, it worked for the upper links, so I thought I could use the same manual method for the rest
10:36 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: Do yourself a big favor and learn git. Put your customizations in git. You can install from a git checkout on the server. It is really only 1 more step than installing from the tarball.
10:37 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: Did you put the colors.tt2 in the right place under templates_custom? The directory structure has to be the same as under templates.
10:38 Dyrcona Also, have you cleared your browser cache? And there is a templates cache on the server that you may need to clear/delete.
10:39 Freddy_Enrique yeah, I made sure it was the same: /openils/var/template_custom/opac/parts/css
10:40 Freddy_Enrique the cache,Got it. The only thing that worked was the links, I could finally change those :)
11:08 Freddy_Enrique Dyrcona++
11:08 Freddy_Enrique Bmagic++
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12:04 Bmagic I just had a question about the hotkeys on the staff client. When looking at holds, the menu has some underlined letters such as "S" for suspend. Does that just mean that you press "S" only after having clicked on the dropdown menu? Or can you highlight a row and hold Ctrl+S?
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12:50 csharp b9e5c623
12:50 pinesol_green csharp: [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1497335 Item details shows aged circs (XUL edition) - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b9e5c62>
12:56 csharp to fix a missing error string, does changing Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/serv​er/locale/en-US/cat.properties allow it to propagate to other locales?
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13:18 mmorgan csharp: I have made that assumption in the past, but would like it if someone could confirm that's the case.
13:22 Dyrcona csharp: Is it an entity, i.e. &string;
13:24 csharp Dyrcona: no it's just a hardcoded string in cat.properties
13:24 * csharp followed an example or two and assumed that en-US propagates if necessary
13:24 csharp also, being a XUL fix, it's not long for this world anyway :-)
13:24 JBoyer More importantly in the xul client: does your local installation use other locales?
13:24 Dyrcona I think it does.
13:24 csharp JBoyer: not for staff
13:25 JBoyer Then sweat it not.
13:25 csharp sweat it not, I will
13:26 JBoyer And there is something about defaulting back to en_us depending on how the strings are managed, but I don't remember if the *.properties files work that way.
13:26 csharp for the logs, my fix is in https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1702968
13:27 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1702968 in Evergreen 2.12 "Mark Item Damaged feature fails on aged circulations" [Undecided,New]
13:27 csharp "Item 39375000576968 is no longer associated with an active circulation.  Please resolve charges manually."
13:29 Dyrcona A more elegant way to handle that would be to skip trying to charge anything.
13:31 bshum csharp: In theory, changing the main properties file would only go to the other locales once someone runs the PO template update sync.  Which generally is part of the process now
13:31 Dyrcona yep. you can always run it yourself.
13:31 bshum Though gmcharlt and I still need to have a discussion about how that works out for the individual branches
13:33 csharp Thanks all for the responses.
13:35 Dyrcona While I'm feeling lazy...Does anyone have an easy way to find a patron that owes fines or late fees?
13:40 berick Dyrcona: you mean any patron?  i grab from money.usr_summary with balance_owed <> 0 -- not exactly "easy"
13:40 Dyrcona berick: Thanks. I was think of doing something like that.
13:40 Dyrcona thinking...
13:41 Dyrcona I'm testing some SIP code and need a patron with fines.
13:53 csharp heh - just found an ack-grep easter egg: "ack --bar"
13:54 csharp well, "found" means "read the man page and saw the option", but still :-)
13:56 bshum HA!  hilarious, csharp :)
13:56 bshum I had to open a terminal to try it out right away, heh
13:57 * bshum is amused
14:01 csharp there are --thpppt and --cathy options too
14:06 Freddy_Enrique I want to change this value, any clues? https://snag.gy/x25QRP.jpg
14:06 csharp Freddy_Enrique: those are in config.identification_type
14:07 Freddy_Enrique BTW, dont really know what it does...
14:07 csharp Freddy_Enrique: it allows staff to set which type of ID number they're entering
14:07 Freddy_Enrique I GET IT!!!
14:08 Freddy_Enrique I see.... here we have what is called DNI
14:08 Freddy_Enrique Registro Nacional de Identidad
14:09 Freddy_Enrique I can just use ithers then. And if I want to make the change I should see it in config.identification_type
14:09 csharp yeah, so you'd probably add that/remove the others or just update the "name" field so they reflect actual options you'd need
14:09 csharp right
14:10 csharp "insert into config.identification_type (name) values ('Registro Nacional de Identidad');" for example
14:10 Freddy_Enrique Will the change affect anything? I just wanna make sure
14:10 csharp it will just affect what's available in that dropdown
14:10 Freddy_Enrique Great, thnks csharp
14:11 Freddy_Enrique *Reading the manu lto find the config.identification_type location
14:11 bshum It's in the database, I don't recall an interface for changing that via the staff client.
14:11 csharp Freddy_Enrique: I think it's only changeable directly via SQL/db access
14:11 csharp right
14:13 Freddy_Enrique *suddenly feels down
14:19 miker JBoyer++ # diving into marc/vol/copy webstaff edit
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14:23 JBoyer People report bugs, I squish them. :)
14:25 csharp @quote add < JBoyer> People report bugs, I squish them. :)
14:25 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  Quote #169 added.
14:26 * csharp blows smoke from gun, twirls into holster
14:28 JBoyer The ambiguity of whether I'm squishing bugs or complainers will make for a fun diversion when that one comes out of a @quote random. ;)
14:28 csharp heh
14:28 bshum JBoyer++
14:30 Freddy_Enrique uhm...
15:00 kmlussier @quote random
15:00 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #62: "< Dyrcona> À propos a migration from TLC: If you have a column called TOTALINHOUSEUSES you should also have TOTALOUTHOUSEUSES for symmetry's sake." (added by csharp at 11:49 AM, July 22, 2013)
15:00 kmlussier :)
15:06 csharp @quote random
15:06 pinesol_green csharp: Quote #8: "<Digital_Pioneer> When life gives you bad hardware, make bricks." (added by bshum at 12:31 PM, May 13, 2011)
15:06 * csharp plays with ansible
15:07 _adb i haven't touched ansible in a while... how's it working out for you?
15:10 Freddy_Enrique When life gives you bad hardware, make bricks...good one
15:10 csharp _adb: right now just learning the basics on a single "remote" server (vm on my PC)
15:10 csharp ~
15:13 Dyrcona @quote random
15:13 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Quote #86: "<jcamins> if you feed stat cats, they will follow you home, and you'll have to share your tuna or put up with an endless chorus of complaining. (p > 0.99)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:53 PM, July 29, 2014)
15:15 csharp @seen jcamins
15:15 pinesol_green csharp: I have not seen jcamins.
15:16 Freddy_Enrique 2018 Evergreen InternationalConference... looks great
15:17 Dyrcona csharp: Try #koha on oftc.net. :)
15:17 csharp Dyrcona: yeah - I used to stay logged in there, but only lurked
15:18 csharp Freddy_Enrique: hope to see you there
15:18 Dyrcona I still lurk, occasionally chime in.
15:19 Dyrcona So, looking for patrons for this test from money.usr_summary isn't working or the changes broke the SIP code more than one would expect.
15:19 Dyrcona I've tried hundreds of patrons so far, and not one has had a fine items count greater than 0 or returned a list of fine item details.
15:20 Freddy_Enrique yeah, For what I can tell, anyone could attend it
15:20 Freddy_Enrique Ill take a BIG dictionary with me in case i make it in tiem
15:21 csharp Freddy_Enrique: we have several fluent Spanish speakers around (I'm not, but my boss is)
15:21 Dyrcona I've also found a good number of invalid patrons, i.e. expired or deleted.
15:22 Freddy_Enrique *Feels relief
15:22 * Dyrcona gives up.
15:22 JBoyer Dyrcona, money.open_usr_summary?
15:23 csharp my mother is a retired Spanish professor, so I really have no excuse for not knowing Spanish better :-/
15:24 kmlussier I used to speak Spanish fairly well. But I've forgotten a lot.
15:25 kmlussier @quote 2
15:25 pinesol_green kmlussier: Leave me alone, I'm busy right now.
15:25 kmlussier @quote #2
15:25 pinesol_green kmlussier: What we have here is a failure to communicate.
15:26 kmlussier I can't even speak to pinesol_green anymore. :(
15:26 kmlussier @quote get 2
15:26 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #2: "<tsbere> We need more quotes" (added by berick at 11:24 AM, February 17, 2011)
15:26 Freddy_Enrique oh.... glad to here some of you speak my native language :)
15:26 Freddy_Enrique hear*
15:27 Dyrcona @dunno
15:27 pinesol_green Dyrcona: have you tried local mean solar time for the named city as the reference point?
15:28 Freddy_Enrique *Starts looking up for visa and other things needed for the big trip
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15:33 kmlussier Freddy_Enrique: Fabulous! I hope you can make it!
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15:59 Freddy_Enrique The old facebook page has been archived, will there be another one?
15:59 bshum The old Facebook "group" has been archived
15:59 bshum the page is still there
15:59 bshum I linked to it in the original email
16:00 bshum It mostly just feeds all the blogs and announcements that come from the website
16:00 Freddy_Enrique Got it
16:00 bshum Freddy_Enrique: https://www.facebook.com/EvergreenILS/
16:04 kmlussier Well, we post a few things there that never make it to the web site.
16:06 Freddy_Enrique I understand that the big announcements are made on the EG web page
16:08 Freddy_Enrique The first and most reliable resource to me :)
16:11 jeff One thing not mentioned in that thread -- where is the old group archived?
16:11 kmlussier jeff: On Facebook.
16:12 kmlussier You can still view the group. You just can't post or interact with it.
16:12 Dyrcona I don't even book face and I knew that. :P
16:13 kmlussier As opposed to deleting the group, which makes it all go away. Well, as much as anything goes away on Facebook.
16:14 jeff Sorry, I'm not being at all clear. I am familiar with the mechanics of archiving a Facebook group. What I should have asked was: What URL would I enter into my web browser if I would like to view the archived group?
16:15 Freddy_Enrique uhm....
16:15 Dyrcona I believe it was mentioned in bshum's email about it.
16:15 jeff Dyrcona: If it was, I am not seeing it.
16:16 kmlussier jeff: https://www.facebook.com/groups/6396639614/
16:16 jeff kmlussier++ Thanks!
16:16 bshum Yeah I think I didn't mention the old group to avoid confusing it with the current live one.  Since nobody's posted to the old one in pretty long time
16:17 jeff Hrm. Alas, the link is non-functional, possibly due to the group's settings. Oh well. Was there any history there?
16:17 kmlussier bshum: Unless you count the spam
16:17 jeff As in, information that was more than just links to blog posts/etc?
16:18 bshum I think it's only viewable for members
16:18 bshum So if you were never a member, guess you wouldn't be able to see if Jeff :)
16:18 bshum kmlussier: Eh... I don't count spam
16:18 Dyrcona jeff: I doubt you missed anything....It's facebook.
16:18 Dyrcona ;)
16:19 Dyrcona Just pics of gmcharlt's cats, probably. :)
16:19 Freddy_Enrique jajaja
16:24 kmlussier It looks like the plan was for the page to replace the group back in 2011.
16:24 bshum Sounds about right
16:24 kmlussier As far as missing anything, it looks like there was a lot of press releases early on that probably got posted elsewhere. Also, a blurry photo of the planning group for the Vancouver conference.
16:25 kmlussier And photos of flip charts from the community meeting at the 2012 conference.
16:25 kmlussier The word 'silos' keep popping up on those.
16:27 jeff ironic. :-)
16:27 bshum I was having an amusing time re-reading the old twitter feed for @rscel last night
16:27 kmlussier And a photo of a bunch of core committers at the 2012 conference.
16:27 kmlussier bshum: There was a twitter account for rscel?
16:27 bshum kmlussier: It still exists!  :)
16:27 bshum https://twitter.com/rscel
16:28 bshum And so does the IRC channel, where apparently it's just me and jeff holding the torch :)
16:28 kmlussier I was just about to ask that question. Ha ha! I used to hang out there with the two of you too.
16:29 kmlussier bshum / jeff: Do you have secret meetings there where you strategize about Evergreen's future?
16:31 jeff only on tuesdays.
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16:31 Dyrcona If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium!
17:01 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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