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| 04:31 |
pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Failure <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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dbs_breaker_of_t |
Okay, now to find out why that path wasn't happy. |
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dbs |
d'oh. BINDIR, not TARBIN, for the nodejs path |
| 08:04 |
dbs |
would be nice if the buildbot would trigger new livetest runs... |
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| 09:08 |
remingtron |
sandbergja: FYI, I posted notes from the conference DIG meeting |
| 09:08 |
remingtron |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20170407_notes |
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kmlussier |
dbs: Sometimes phasefx will do an unscheduled livetest run if a fix to the tests is added. |
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| 10:00 |
jeff |
just as i was about to remark on how useful irc logs can be, i find a case where i xkcd 979'd myself. |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
"oh hey, there's the error." |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
then, nothing. |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
technically not quite the same, but a variant. |
| 10:03 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
I like the ones where the first post is the question and the second, posted weeks or months later is simply, "Fixed it." |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
And, just /how/ did you fix it, hmm? |
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| 10:05 |
Dyrcona |
But usually, when that happens to me, I'm the one who posted the question in the first place. :) |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: What's the error? |
| 10:07 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: exactly! |
| 10:08 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 10:08 |
Dyrcona |
And, query output in an upgrade script.... Yuck! |
| 10:09 |
Dyrcona |
It was waiting for me to type q before going on to the rest of the script. |
| 10:10 |
* Dyrcona |
looks up how to disable the pager in psql. |
| 10:11 |
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| 10:12 |
jeff |
\pset pager off |
| 10:12 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
or --pset=pager=off (weird syntax there) |
| 10:14 |
JBoyer |
.psqlrc , turn it off for reals. |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
-P pager=off works. :) |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
Yeap and yeap. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
And the upgrade script is finished! |
| 10:18 |
* Dyrcona |
restart postgres to pick up the configuration changes that should have been done before running the script. |
| 10:19 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, 9.5 dropped the checkpoint_segments option. |
| 10:21 |
Dyrcona |
max_wal_size |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
3072MB seems a bit large. |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
Based on the formula in the release notes: max_wal_size = (3 * checkpoint_segments) * 16MB |
| 10:31 |
* Dyrcona |
thought he had a script on the training server, but apparently not. |
| 10:32 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. It is there. Just named differently than I thought. |
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| 10:58 |
jeff |
looks like Codey Kolasinski from C/W MARS presented last year on the MARC stream importer. Anyone happen to have a link to that presentation, or should I try contacting Codey? |
| 10:58 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Codey no longer works for C/W MARS. |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
I could probably get his email address for you, though. |
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| 11:00 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: I have a hotmail address from his web site, but if you have something else that's likely to be more recent, great! |
| 11:02 |
kmlussier |
I thought he also had a blog post on MARC stream importer, but I can't find it. |
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kmlussier |
Oh, I have a PDF of the blog post apparently. I had sent it along to yboston for possible incorporation in the documentation. Do you want me to forward it to you jeff? |
| 11:04 |
jeff |
kmlussier: please and thank you! |
| 11:04 |
* kmlussier |
isn't quite sure why she has a PDF of a blog post rather than a link to a blog post. |
| 11:04 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier should print it and fax it to jeff. |
| 11:04 |
JBoyer |
;) |
| 11:05 |
* kmlussier |
chuckles |
| 11:05 |
kmlussier |
jeff: Check you Inbox |
| 11:07 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: I don't have an email address for him. I'd have to ask around. |
| 11:07 |
Dyrcona |
The hotmail address is probably still good. |
| 11:07 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: I'll go with that. Thanks for checking! |
| 11:08 |
jeff |
kmlussier: well, for whatever reason that blog post doesn't appear to be available anymore -- just one on receipt templates. |
| 11:13 |
csharp |
while researching libraries' SPF setups, we found several that use yahoo and hotmail addresses for org emails |
| 11:14 |
csharp |
Pro Tip: You can't add gapines.org's IP addresses to yahoo or microsoft's SPF entries |
| 11:15 |
jonadab |
This sort of thing is really what the Reply-To field is for. |
| 11:15 |
dbs |
also, people seeing @yahoo / @hotmail addresses are unlikely to believe that it is actually coming from a library :) |
| 11:15 |
csharp |
yeah, that :-) |
| 11:16 |
csharp |
gapines.ru |
| 11:16 |
bshum |
.ninja |
| 11:16 |
jonadab |
bshum: I know a guy who has dank.ninja |
| 11:17 |
jonadab |
(know online, not IRL) |
| 11:17 |
jeff |
emailed Codey. |
| 11:17 |
* csharp |
registers gapines.biz, drops mic, walks away |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
.biz is for posers. :) |
| 11:19 |
JBoyer |
srs.biz |
| 11:19 |
jeff |
fun one with most of the recently added gTLDs: they're far more volatile in terms of price than the existing gTLDs. |
| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
Alas, poor Alternic.... |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
and mostly by "volatile", i mean in the "big spikes upward" direction. |
| 11:24 |
berick |
our prices go up hill both ways! |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 11:31 |
jeff |
"why did we raise our prices from $20/yr to $300/yr? well, you see... we're trying to get 'money we can use to try to market the strings to prosperity'" |
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| 11:40 |
Dyrcona |
"Oh, so you're just greedy, then?" |
| 11:58 |
* Dyrcona |
wishes he still had the bash script from the last time that he used eg_staged_bib_overlay. |
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| 12:26 |
dbs |
berick++ # ansible |
| 12:26 |
kmlussier |
berick++ Bmagic++ |
| 12:27 |
kmlussier |
berick / Bmagic: Should your 'everyone should have an Evergreen server' contributions be added to https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=server_installation:semi_automated? |
| 12:27 |
* JBoyer |
needs to make my opensrf playbooks more generic and re-share. |
| 12:28 |
JBoyer |
and also think ahead re: /me grammar, heh. |
| 12:28 |
* kmlussier |
also wonders if some of the current scripts on that page are out of date. |
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| 12:29 |
berick |
kmlussier: yes, i think so. i'll be maintaining this going forward instead of the existing ubuntu installers. |
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| 12:45 |
berick |
huh, got a saucy spam reply to my open-ils-dev email. don't think that's ever happened before. |
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| 12:46 |
gsams |
berick: That happened to me when I replied to Blake's awesome docker email. |
| 12:47 |
berick |
gsams: crazy... |
| 12:47 |
gsams |
also, berick++ #more great options |
| 12:47 |
gsams |
I'm excited to try that process out |
| 12:48 |
jeff |
happy to see more interest in ansible and docker. :-) |
| 12:48 |
kmlussier |
berick: That's happened to me. I thought csharp did something to fix it, but I'm guessing it's a moving target. |
| 12:48 |
jeff |
(mostly because of the potential in those kinds of things, not exclusively ansible and docker) |
| 12:49 |
jeff |
(though we use ansible and docker currently) |
| 12:50 |
gsams |
the potential is pretty astounding, it feels like these sorts of processes make Evergreen more and more accesible |
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| 12:57 |
berick |
kmlussier: i'll update the installer wiki page |
| 12:57 |
kmlussier |
berick++ |
| 13:11 |
JBoyer |
berick++ # just saw your email. Neat! |
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| 13:16 |
JBoyer |
Also, a big +1 to auto enabling rsyslog and nginx. I like rsyslog much more than changing the apache user just for logging purposes, and the fewer ports the better. |
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* jeff |
learns more things about the marc stream importer by observing packets on the wire and by looking at git history in both Evergreen and Koha |
| 13:51 |
* kmlussier |
adds an Annual Reports page to the web site - https://evergreen-ils.org/about-us/annual-reports/ |
| 13:54 |
jeff |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:54 |
jeff |
and rhamby++ and others who may have worked on the report |
| 13:55 |
rfrasur |
Worth it or not? http://www.ala.org/lita/beginning-git-and-github |
| 13:59 |
Bmagic |
kmlussier: sounds ok to me. I think I am comfortable publishing new docker containers as new EG releases come out as long as I don't have a deadline :) |
| 14:01 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: seems steep for git to me, the meat of what you use daily in git you can learn from a few simple free tutorials |
| 14:01 |
rfrasur |
that was kinda my thought, but figured I'd defer to those who know rather than just suppose. |
| 14:01 |
rfrasur |
thank you |
| 14:02 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah... I didn't see the cost before. |
| 14:02 |
Dyrcona |
Depends on your learning style, too, I suppose. |
| 14:03 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: I'm kind of the philosophy that I know nothing :) |
| 14:03 |
rfrasur |
I have very little style. |
| 14:03 |
* rfrasur |
has the kitten and skittle learning style. |
| 14:03 |
* jeff |
raises an eyebrow |
| 14:04 |
csharp |
rfrasur: this is super straightforward: https://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/ |
| 14:05 |
rfrasur |
csharp: thank you. that looks around right. |
| 14:05 |
csharp |
rfrasur: and I would recommend just registering for github and starting a basic project there rather than diving head first into Evergreen (if that's your eventual goal) |
| 14:05 |
rfrasur |
I know it's all pretty basic. I think I'm already registered. |
| 14:06 |
rfrasur |
Nah, I don't want to dive into Evergreen. Just act as a tour director when necessary. |
| 14:06 |
rfrasur |
(tour guide, even) |
| 14:07 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: it doesn't have to be software, git is useful for writing too for version control (fiction, nonfiction, etc...) so there are lots of learning opprotunties with it |
| 14:08 |
Dyrcona |
git is very useful for configuration files, too. |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, I keep forgetting that. Might be a good way to do some informal indoctrination with my staff. |
| 14:09 |
Dyrcona |
heh. convert your staff handbook, manuals, etc. to plain text/asciidoc and put them in a git repository. |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
> Timeout error, please try again in a few minutes. |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
oh man. that's a great and terrible idea. |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
thank you, launchpad. |
| 14:10 |
csharp |
rfrasur: also, terran has been successful running git on Windows only, so she may have some tips/war stories |
| 14:10 |
rfrasur |
good to note. thank you. |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
git can track binary files, too, but it's much more useful with text. |
| 14:14 |
terran |
rfrasur: Yes, I use Git GUI - it isn't as powerful as doing it from the command line, but easier for non-Linux people |
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| 14:16 |
rfrasur_ |
Still getting my head around what/when I want to use it. But, now i know who to latch onto when the time comes. |
| 14:20 |
ohiojoe |
Now I'm interested in the idea of putting local config files into a git repository.. |
| 14:21 |
bshum |
Just be careful not to push anything with passwords into a public repo (like some of us have accidentally done) and it could be handy! :D |
| 14:22 |
Dyrcona |
If you do, I can help you make the passwords go away so long as no one cloned the repo in the meantime. |
| 14:22 |
Dyrcona |
It will break your history, but sometimes you have to. |
| 14:23 |
ohiojoe |
lol, yeah, that would be annoying.. |
| 14:23 |
ohiojoe |
the only good thing is most of the systems I'm talking about are behind a firewall with no outside access, so as long as the 13 year olds in the neighborhood didn't find it.... |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
I usually keep local repos for that kind of thing. |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
Same thing for web sites. |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
Git can be checked out in one directory with the actual git innards in a different place. |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
That's handy for that kind of thing. |
| 14:27 |
ohiojoe |
hmm, sounds like I need to do a little digging |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
For instance, my user account has a directory called git-repos, where I create bare repositories. |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
That's where the canonical version resides. |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
Then, for a website under /var/www/sitename let's say... |
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| 14:29 |
ohiojoe |
local repos sound like a useful way to organize local information while also getting familiar with using git |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
They are.. |
| 14:30 |
ohiojoe |
well, it sounds like I've found one of my next projects.. I could do with fewer word processing documents laying around |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
Anyway, I'll do something like git clone --separate-git-dir /home/user/sitename /home/git-repos/sitename |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
Then, all the sensitive git stuff is in the user's home directory presumably where the web server can't see it. |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
Push and pull and all of that still works in /var/www/sitename |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
Works for configurations, too, but I usually copy those into place by hand. |
| 14:32 |
ohiojoe |
now that I think about it, this seems like overkill, but git and asciidoc would be useful for managing public library policies. The version control of git would maintain a useful history of what had come before and ascii doc would allow it to be published/pushed into different channels with minimal effort.. |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
I use git to track my changes for those mainly. |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
Yeap. |
| 14:33 |
ohiojoe |
the only downside is the discomfort my successor would feel trying to learn it if they were not technically minded... |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
Well, asciidoc is very simple. Much easier than say, roff or tex. |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
Not as "simple" as a WYSIWYG editor. |
| 14:35 |
ohiojoe |
yeah, but if the person found reading/writing html overwhelming.. |
| 14:36 |
Dyrcona |
It's easier than HTML. |
| 14:36 |
Dyrcona |
It's mostly just dashes and things in the right places. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
You've seen the Evergreen and OpenSRF READMEs, right? They're asciidoc. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
And there's alwasy markdown if you want something even simpler and more "obvious>" |
| 14:41 |
ohiojoe |
hmm. well, either way, I've decided having survived the conference, it's time for me to get involved in other ways, so I think getting stuck in git and asciidoc is the next step |
| 14:42 |
ohiojoe |
For instance, I suspect I can find some time to do some documentation, and if not, I'm sure I could learn asciidoc well enough to convert other folks work into that format.. |
| 14:48 |
ohiojoe |
dyrcona++ thank you for the chat |
| 14:48 |
Dyrcona |
ohiojoe: yw. |
| 14:56 |
jeff |
not the first time i've wanted there to be a caniuse-like thing for evergreen features, but a bit inverse: more of a whouses... |
| 14:58 |
jeff |
probably still better to just ask. :) |
| 15:07 |
terran |
ohiojoe++ Hooray for documentation volunteering! |
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| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
because we don't have enough work keeping up with our frameworks: bug 1682609 |
| 15:23 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1682609 in Evergreen "upgrade angular-ui-bootstrap to at least 1.3.3" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682609 |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
I'll try at least 1.3.3 in the upcoming branch we'll be working on for the Angular serials interface |
| 15:27 |
dbs |
yayz |
| 15:29 |
dbs |
LESS OLD STUFF |
| 15:30 |
jonadab |
Shouldn't we try to get different Evergreen components using at least three different versions of Node? |
| 15:31 |
* jonadab |
ducks. |
| 15:31 |
* gmcharlt |
unleases the ENTIRE flock of ducks at jonadab |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!!! |
| 15:38 |
terran |
Wouldn't that be the Quacken? |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
Ha! |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
terran++ |
| 15:38 |
gmcharlt |
terran++ |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
and I think 3.0 now has a mascot |
| 15:39 |
terran |
(That bad pun might be the most productive thing I've done all day.) |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
Some days are like that. |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
I've mostly been running commands and waiting on them to finish. |
| 15:42 |
* jonadab |
dons an oilskin cloak and readies a wand of lightning. |
| 15:42 |
jonadab |
Bring on the kraken. |
| 15:42 |
terran |
I had 3 meetings. That took up most of the day. |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
The Quacken.... :) |
| 15:44 |
jonadab |
And hey, at least I didn't suggest rewriting the Acquisitions module in Perl6. |
| 15:44 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 15:44 |
Dyrcona |
Perl6: Python for old farts. :) |
| 15:45 |
jonadab |
Ah, Serials in Python3, Acquisitions in Perl6? |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I've tried Perl 6, and I have the same reaction to it that I had to Python 1.5 in 1999: I don't need this. I have Perl 5. :) |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
So, in 2035, I might actually use it for something. :) |
| 15:46 |
jonadab |
Yeah, I keep trying to motivate myself to learn Perl6. Haven't quite managed yet. |
| 15:47 |
jonadab |
Somebody at the conference was talking about a prefab-reports thing that was done in PHP, IIRC. |
| 15:47 |
jonadab |
All we need now is to add Haskell into the mix somehow... |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
I haven't tried Haskell, though I've sniffed around the edges. |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
An erlang implementation/transport for OpenSRF seems natural enough without ejabberd. :) |
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Dyrcona |
But erlang syntax is really weird, and I look at back at the sample/test programs I wrote in 2010/2011, and I wonder, "What does that do, again?" |
| 15:52 |
Dyrcona |
I should write an OpenSRF/gateway client in Emacs Lisp. I might actually have a use for that. |
| 15:52 |
jonadab |
Yeah, I haven't tried Haskell either; from what I know of it, it seems sort like lisp with a higher learning curve, for smarter programmers. Or something. |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
s/smarter programmers/masochists/ # Fixed that for you. :) |
| 15:53 |
jonadab |
Heh. |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
Haskell tries to take functional programming to the extreme, but runs into a problem called the real world. |
| 15:55 |
jonadab |
One of the best NetHack players in the world writes Haskell code for a living. |
| 15:56 |
jonadab |
Something about code that bids for impressions in realtime on behalf of advertisers. |
| 16:00 |
Dyrcona |
Perl 6 isn't just an incremental improvement on Perl 5, either. It really is a new language. |
| 16:01 |
Dyrcona |
It's kind of like Python with braces. :) |
| 16:02 |
jonadab |
Yes, I've seen enough articles about it to not mistake it for a minor upgrade to Perl5. |
| 16:02 |
jonadab |
Some of the Apocalypse articles made me want to learn it right away. Others made me want to put it off for a long time, or avoid it forever. |
| 16:03 |
jonadab |
And that was a while ago now. |
| 16:04 |
Dyrcona |
I installed it, did some tutorials, reimplemented a couple of things that I usually do when learning a new language, and decided "Meh." |
| 16:05 |
Dyrcona |
"Perl5 forever!" |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
Hm... So looks like upgrading from 2.10.7 to 2.12.x is going to take a while. |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
Lots of database stuff going on. |
| 16:12 |
Dyrcona |
New fingerprints, new 901$s field, browse and facet ingest...something else that update 9 million records in our system, but runs fast compared to the others. |
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| 16:32 |
pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
| 16:33 |
bshum |
yay! success! |
| 16:33 |
bshum |
dbs++ |
| 16:36 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 16:42 |
miker |
Dyrcona: you can ignore the 901$s, any of the other changes will do that for you automatically. fingerprints, too, IIRC. |
| 16:42 |
kmlussier |
dbs++ |
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* dbs |
breathes a sigh of relief |
| 19:48 |
jeff |
those hourly test failure charges would have made for a terrible weekend. ;-) |
| 19:52 |
dbs |
jeff: that reminded me to shut down my GCE instance |
| 21:04 |
* gmcharlt |
has the first development update blog post queued up to post tomorrow morning |
| 21:12 |
* bshum |
contemplates renaming "2.next" to "3.next" in LP |
| 21:16 |
gmcharlt |
looks straightforward enough |
| 21:16 |
gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 21:17 |
bshum |
gmcharlt: I suppose that if we get through all the pullrequests and actively retarget for stuff that's going to get merged, or remove pullrequest and untag and add needsrepatch, that list of stuff targeting 3.next will go away |
| 21:36 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1667115 - Silence config.hard_due_date warning - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2d0c914> |
| 22:20 |
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