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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen! |
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kmlussier |
@coffee [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Panama Hacienda La Esmeralda Gesha, and sends it sliding down the bar to mceraso_ |
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kmlussier |
@tea [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
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csharp |
kmlussier++ # mmm, tea |
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* Dyrcona |
raises his organic iced tea to csharp and kmlussier. |
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* Dyrcona |
mucks about with updating and merging the oils_sip.xml into local git as oils_sip.xml.example. |
| 09:36 |
Dyrcona |
It's fun trying to patch in the new config options into 53 intsitutions. :) |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
yeah, i was pretty sure the goal was to avoid needing to do that. |
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Dyrcona |
Well, the oils_sip.xml here predates most of the changes and multiple institutions exist in some cases to differentiate one self-check from another. |
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csharp |
wow |
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* jeff |
nods |
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jeff |
also, beware mixing multiplex and the new workstation support. |
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csharp |
we still just have 1 institution defined and many many accounts |
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Dyrcona |
We're not using multiplex. |
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Dyrcona |
MVLC has 3 insitutions, IIRC. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: what reasons do you have for differentiating one sip client from another using institutions, and do those reasons still apply here? just for logging, or other things as well? |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: I don't know. This configuration predates me. I'm just putting it into git right now. I'll work out those questions later with the people normally in charge of it. |
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Dyrcona |
I think two institutions make a lot of sense if you want to differentiate between PC reservation type systems and self checks for what they're allowed to do. |
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Dyrcona |
Maybe a 3rd for outside vendors. |
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Dyrcona |
After that.... ;) |
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Dyrcona |
@karma cssh |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: cssh has neutral karma. |
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Dyrcona |
cssh++ |
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Dyrcona |
bshum++ # for mentioning cssh to me. |
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Dyrcona |
hmm. think I'll just commit what I've got and add the options later, maybe. :) |
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Dyrcona |
1 file changed, 4203 insertions(+), 161 deletions(-) |
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Dyrcona |
rewrite Open-ILS/examples/oils_sip.xml.example (96%) |
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Dyrcona |
Kinda nuts.... |
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Dyrcona |
I even deleted the legacy circ stuff that was still hanging around. |
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kmlussier |
yboston++ #For being an outstanding DIG facilitator. |
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berick |
yboston++ |
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berick |
it's been too long since I typed that |
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Dyrcona |
Was there a DIG hangout today, or something on the mailing list? |
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kmlussier |
Dyrcona: No, I'm just belatedly giving yboston karma after an e-mail he sent yesterday. He's stepping down as DIG facilitator. |
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Dyrcona |
OK. I don't subscribe to the DIG list. |
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Dyrcona |
yboston++ # just 'cause. |
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kmlussier |
Ah! You're right. I hadn't even seen that it was on the DIG list. I was thinking it was on the general list. |
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csharp |
yboston++ |
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yboston |
¡Muchas gracias! |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org |
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bshum |
Why, oh why Freenode has thou forsaken us? |
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Dyrcona |
So, what am I supposed to do with a report that claims it is still running but actually isn't? |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona: update reporter.schedule.complete_time to now() That will allow clark to move on to another report. |
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Dyrcona |
So, we've got the implementation config for an institution set to ascii encoding, but we're sending the client Unicode. |
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* Dyrcona |
wonders if clean_text is being called everywhere it needs to be? |
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jeff__ |
lead in to a potentially very basic Angular / ngRoute question: something like $location.path('/circ/patron/' + user_id + '/checkout'); uses a path that doesn't start with the usual /eg/staff -- but in the browser the full path is /eg/staff/circ/patron/id-here/checkout |
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berick |
jeff: $location.path() is relative to the <base href="/eg/staff/"> declaration in the base template |
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Dyrcona |
And, here's a relevant lp bug 1463943 from last year. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1463943 in SIPServer "Non-ascii Unicode characters in messages cause client problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463943 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
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jeff |
is ngRoute the thing making that work (contrary to what seems would happen in the $location service), or something else -- and is the /eg/staff prefix/root auto-detected or is there an explicit call somewhere where that's initialized? |
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jeff |
berick: ah, there it is! thanks! |
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Dyrcona |
Ah ha! clean_text needs to be used on AUTOLOAD fields. |
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jeff |
yeah, i want to kill clean_text. |
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Dyrcona |
Well, jeff, there's my branch on the above bug that is assigned to you that handles the encoding in SIPServer and not in Evergreen. |
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Dyrcona |
I just told my boss, tspindler, that I'd invalidate my old bug and make a new fix for Evergreen that uses clean_text in the appropriate places, but if you think the SIPServer fix is better.... |
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Dyrcona |
So, which do you prefer, jeff? |
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Dyrcona |
Or is it jeff____ with the long tail? ;) |
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jeff |
netsplits-- |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
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Dyrcona |
My branch could be changed to use the institution setting or the account setting whichever is set. |
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Dyrcona |
But if you want to kill clean_text handling the encoding in SIPServer's write_msg seems like the logical place. |
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berick |
https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/780813276733210629 |
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Dyrcona |
Sorry to drag you away from your ngRoute discussion... |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: that's probably the direction i'm going. i haven't looked at it (until now) in a few months. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: we don't use checksums, and use utf8 encoding for sip clients. |
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Dyrcona |
Well, we've got one big client in particular that blows up on UTF-8, and it's always in an author or call number field. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: and we're on a recent version of Encode.pm, so the decode_utf8 call in OpenILS::SIP::clean_text kills things. We removed that locally. |
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Dyrcona |
It's not called on AUTOLOAD fields in SIP::Item, apparently. |
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jeff |
there's another bug closely related to this. |
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Dyrcona |
So, that's an easy fix, but I think it would be better to just get rid of clean text and let SIPServer do the encoding. |
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jeff |
ah, bug 1542495 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1542495 in Evergreen "OpenILS::SIP::clean_text() can crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1542495 |
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* jeff |
-> meeting |
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Dyrcona |
Hmm. That's bad, very bad. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah wait a minute... A little research and I see it. |
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Dyrcona |
And, it looks like someone has confused encode and decode.... |
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JBoyer |
I haven't been keeping up that much with the SIPServer discussion, but I have this thought to offer: If all network traffic is routed through write_msg and it calculates the checksum for those clients that use it (or if it's easy to insert there...) I'd say absolutely go for the fix-it-in-one-place |
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JBoyer |
And then strip out any attempts to care whatsoever from OpenILS::SIP. |
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JBoyer |
Better it plainly and intentionally send out pure UTF-8 than a mix of ASCII and UTF-8 depending on the message at hand. |
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* JBoyer |
retreats to his cave... |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: I'll quote you on that. ;) |
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JBoyer |
<politic_horror_show>"I never said that!"</politic_horror_show> |
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Dyrcona |
Is there ever "One last comment for today...?" |
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fights the temptation to comment again on the LP bug. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm starting to wonder just what decode is for... |
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Dyrcona |
Crazy... |
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Dyrcona |
;) |
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csharp |
@interrupt |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: http://images.cryhavok.org/d/1291-1/Computer+Rage.gif |
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Dyrcona |
I think the Perl documentation is gaslighting me. |
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dbs |
+1 to getting rid of clean_text if we can (I think our client had the same "malformed unicode in title kills the client" issue that Dyrcona was seeing) |
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dbs |
But it seemed that the patron name info still needed clean_text, so... |
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Dyrcona |
dbs: You likely have a lot more patrons with French names than we do. ;) |
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dbs |
bien sur! |
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kmlussier |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Quote #74: "< Dyrcona> SIP2 is not a suitable means for anything." (added by csharp at 03:35 PM, January 13, 2014) |
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kmlussier |
A timely quote |
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Dyrcona |
Quite. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm installing my patch for the above SIPServer Lp bug at the moment. |
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Dyrcona |
After this, I'll work on expanding it a bit so it can also take the encoding configuration from the Institution. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah well, days after updates are often like this. |
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Dyrcona |
Reading LP 1083290 and it's funny how opinions can change over time, but I'd be dead if I didn't change my opinions. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1083290 in SIPServer "SIPServer should be packaged into releases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1083290 |
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jeff |
sometimes knowing the structure of your data can help you attain impressive compression ratios: |
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jeff |
Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename |
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jeff |
177 177 378.0 MiB 84.8 GiB 0.004 CRC64 177 files |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: That's a lot of redundant data. |
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Dyrcona |
So, I'm wondering if I can Sip.pm to figure out the encoding rather than doing it in the other Sip/modules. |
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Dyrcona |
can ^get Sip.pm to^ |
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Dyrcona |
Apparently not with changing the signature of write_msg again, so doesn't buy much. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah, but! I can add a Sip::get_encoding func that takes the $server as an object and figures out the encoding. |
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Dyrcona |
That would move the complication to a function shared by all of the objects and then instead of each caller to write_msg figuring out the encoding, they ask Sip::get_encoding to do that. |
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Dyrcona |
In the inherited form of $self->get_encoding($server); |
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Dyrcona |
Hmm. I could just put it in MsgType.pm, since that appears to be the only one that needs it. |
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Dyrcona |
Just thinking in channel... Don't mind me. |
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Dyrcona |
Nope. Better idea.. Just stick it in $server->{encoding} in _load_ils_handler()? |
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jeffdavis |
Is it normal to have hundreds of thousands of entries in metabib.browse_entry that are not in metabib.browse_entry_def_map? |
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berick |
jeffdavis: yes |
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berick |
jeffdavis: see also metabib.browse_entry_simple_heading_map |
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berick |
jeffdavis: also, they are not cleaned up as bibs and auths are modified, so there can be zombie entries |
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jeffdavis |
berick: phew, thanks! |
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