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dbs |
oh yeah. definitely need pingest.pl (in some form) as a stock part of Evergreen. |
| 08:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Scott] LP#1608711: Update schema.org property name from "seller" to "offeredBy" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b55b3ca> |
| 08:47 |
JBoyer |
dbs, indeed, it's great. |
| 08:47 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona++ |
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bshum |
dbwells: I vaguely remember seeing something in IRC last week or earlier about 2.11 alpha cutting from you. Curious if you guys noticed a lot of string change that would necessitate a POT sync for translations. I saw some churn for the webstaff, but I don't get to peruse the files as often as I'd like anymore. |
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bshum |
Either way, I'd recommend we do an i18n sync at some point. |
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bshum |
I'll put together a local test later to see how much stuff actually changed myself. |
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* bshum |
wanders off |
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JBoyer |
phasefx or gmcharlt, match_fingerprints in ESI's migration tools has a 'use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1_base64);' which we have to change to 'use Digest::SHA qw(sha1_base64);' here. Is that a Debian/Ubuntu difference or something else? |
| 11:15 |
gmcharlt |
JBoyer: at first blush, it just looks like Digest::SHA1 got superseded |
| 11:15 |
rhamby |
JBoyer: I know that Digest::SHA is generally considered stronger and to not have some legacy security issues but it newer. I'm guessing that the use of Digest::SHA1 probably pre-dates those changes. |
| 11:16 |
rhamby |
:s%/it newer/it is newer/ |
| 11:17 |
JBoyer |
That's good, so that's one less local change we will need to keep track of eventually. :) |
| 11:18 |
gmcharlt |
JBoyer: patches welcome :) (send to me) |
| 11:18 |
JBoyer |
Sure thing. |
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dbwells |
bshum: the current plan is to hold off on pot updates until beta, as it gives us one last chance to merge po files for the 2.10 branch. I know there is no perfect cutover point, but the current wiki page recommended beta, and it made enough sense. |
| 12:34 |
bshum |
dbwells: Right, I was just basing what I said on the email thread about i18n work a few months back with Eva and other community folks who were hoping to get more POT syncs ahead of beta so that they could start translations earlier in the process. |
| 12:37 |
bshum |
I could see one last PO sync for 2.10 being nice though. |
| 12:37 |
bshum |
Especially given what's being done at the moment. |
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dbwells |
bshum: right, there has been big progress in at least one translation. I am working up an email to Eva to make sure we're operating on a schedule that works for her and the other translators. |
| 13:22 |
bshum |
dbwells++ # cool, cool, sounds good |
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* berick |
wonders if we're having the dev meeting today |
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* Dyrcona |
forgot about it. |
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* bshum |
saw it on his calendar |
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BookThief |
Hypothetically, if I wanted to create genres for Young Adult Fiction novels on Evergreen, with intentions of patrons being able to search keywords such as "Romance" or |
| 13:29 |
BookThief |
"Suspense," How would I do so? Any help is appreciated! |
| 13:30 |
Dyrcona |
BookThief: What version of Evergreen? |
| 13:31 |
BookThief |
2.8.3, I believe. |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
Evergreen adds genre indexing from the 655 MARC field. |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
Oops, I meant to say Evergreen 2.10 adds it. |
| 13:32 |
BookThief |
Is it not possible on 2.8.3? |
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Dyrcona |
If you want to use the 655 stuff, just run the 0952.data.genre-indexing.sql on your database and then reingest your records. |
| 13:38 |
Dyrcona |
If you want a custom index, I suggest visiting the dokuwiki http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=start and searching for indexing or custom search index in the search box. |
| 14:00 |
Dyrcona |
@marc 655 |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Terms indicating the genre, form, and/or physical characteristics of the materials being described. A genre term designates the style or technique of the intellectual content of textual materials or, for graphic materials, aspects such as vantage point, intended purpose, or method of representation. A form term designates historically and functionally specific kinds of materials distinguished (1 more message) |
| 14:00 |
Dyrcona |
@more |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: by their physical character, the subject of their intellectual content, or the order of information within them. Physical characteristic terms designate historically and functionally specific kinds of materials as distinguished by an examination of their physical character, subject of their intellectual content, or the order of information with them. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,v,x,y,z,2,3,5,6,8] |
| 14:04 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm... So, apparently the second edition of the "Pro Git" book recommends GitLab over gitolite. |
| 14:04 |
Dyrcona |
Or rather documents GitLab and not gitolite. |
| 14:07 |
Dyrcona |
And, the PDF edition that I have from Safari document Gitosis! |
| 14:07 |
_adb |
Dyrcona: for adding graphical/web fronts to git? there are lots.. gitosis, gitorious, gitolite,... |
| 14:07 |
_adb |
i can't say i've had good experience with any of them, but it's been a few years |
| 14:07 |
Dyrcona |
_adb: Yep. I'm considering gitolite with gitweb. |
| 14:09 |
dbs |
gitlab or gogs, gitlab or gogs |
| 14:09 |
bshum |
I should try gogs again |
| 14:11 |
Dyrcona |
@decide gogs or gitlab |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: go with gitlab |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
Any bets on how far I'll get trying to install Evergreen in "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows" subsystem in Windows 10? :D |
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* berick |
suggests bshum take a nice walk instead |
| 14:23 |
berick |
ok, fine, i'm curious ;) |
| 14:25 |
dbs |
berick++ |
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bshum |
berick: A walk is a good idea |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
Maybe I'll do that while it grabs the deps to install |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
Slow internet fails :( |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
If it walks like a trusty tahr and quacks like a trusty tahr..... |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Maybe more like if it "bleats" like a trusty tahr? |
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bshum |
:D |
| 14:27 |
JBoyer |
But lacks some syscalls like a, uh, truty tahr, doesn't? |
| 14:27 |
JBoyer |
Doesn't work as well. |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 14:27 |
dbs |
404 minutes real time for pingest mra across 2.6M records, yayz. And only one block got rolled back due to malformed XML, instead of the whole damned commit. BONUS! |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Huzzah! |
| 14:29 |
JBoyer |
Given what does and doesn't work, I suspect Eg will most likely work "fine," where "fine" still means "not supported at all in production." |
| 14:29 |
JBoyer |
But now I'm curious too. |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Given that the official gitorious repo for gitorious has not had an update in 7 years, and it's Ruby on Rails, I think I'll pass. ;) |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
Turns out, I have a PDF of the second edition of Pro Git, too. ;) |
| 14:34 |
bshum |
JBoyer: Oh definitely wouldn't ever suggest running it for real in any shape in production |
| 14:35 |
bshum |
Though now that you've said it, someone will inevitably try to do that :) |
| 14:36 |
_adb |
Dyrcona: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Interfaces,_frontends,_and_tools#Web_Interfaces <-- lots of options. i hadn't heard of klaus before, but looks promising |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
_adb: I was looking here, too: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting |
| 14:37 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: GitLab (the company) bought Gitorious (the company) last year and shut down the hosted platform. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: I know. I had/have some clones on gitorious. |
| 14:38 |
Dyrcona |
It was 2014, actually. |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
I'm mainly interested in repository management with a web interface as a secondary consideration. |
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Dyrcona |
Just figure I'll read up on a few options before deciding. |
| 14:40 |
jeff |
https://gitorious.org/gitorious/mainline still exists (mostly through archivetime + gitlab + gitorious cooperating with each other) and has commits up to April 2015, which is when the GitLab acquisition was announced. |
| 14:41 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Thanks. I followed a link from the kernel.org githosting page. |
| 14:41 |
Dyrcona |
Seeing as they mention Google Code, who are not afaik accepting new projects, I figure their links are a bit out of date. ;) |
| 14:42 |
Dyrcona |
I still think I'm going with gitolite/gitweb, unless GitLab is truly compelling. :) |
| 14:43 |
jeff |
yeah, the difference between https://gitorious.org/gitorious/gitorious.git/ and https://gitorious.org/gitorious/mainline is potentially due to the archiving process. |
| 14:44 |
jeff |
gitlab works well for us internally. the gitweb interface is something that i've started to... not prefer. |
| 14:45 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I always liked the gitorious web interface. |
| 14:45 |
JBoyer |
I've always been a fan of "what is the least I can install and still stand to use?" |
| 14:45 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: +1 :) |
| 14:46 |
Dyrcona |
The community uses gitolite with gitweb, so that's another (political) reason that I'm leaning that direction. |
| 14:47 |
Dyrcona |
And I have some experience with that combination from the administration side of things. |
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* jeff |
nods |
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bshum |
But maybe the community should be using gitlab :D |
| 14:48 |
bshum |
In ages past, moodaepo and I experimented with gitlab for the community (pre-Vancouver conference, if memory serves). While it was interesting, we didn't come up with enough compelling reasons to suggest switching. |
| 14:49 |
bshum |
Maybe it's nicer now though |
| 14:49 |
Dyrcona |
IDK, what's wrong with CVS? :p |
| 14:49 |
Dyrcona |
j/k |
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* Dyrcona |
still uses CVS because OpenBSD. |
| 14:53 |
Dyrcona |
Ooh, Git-Webby seems like a natural choice. :) |
| 14:54 |
jamesrf |
have you checked out https://gogs.io? |
| 14:55 |
Dyrcona |
That's written in Go, correct? |
| 14:55 |
jamesrf |
yes |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
Go is not on my calendar until at least 2018. Next year is Haskell. ;) |
| 15:01 |
Dyrcona |
But honestly, gogs looks interesting. |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
Well, seems that's a dead end for the moment. perl unhappiness and trouble building the OpenSRF perl libs. |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
Have to poke at this further later. |
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* bshum |
goes for that walk berick suggested |
| 15:25 |
Stompro |
Hello, Does anyone have a link to where I can learn more about EDI messages? I'm trying to find out if there is a spot to receive a tracking number in the Invoice response message, so I can easily tell our receivers which boxes have material that was paid for with donations that should be processed first. |
| 15:33 |
berick |
Stompro: http://www.editeur.org/31/Library-Book-Supply/ -- #8 |
| 15:34 |
berick |
of course, just because it's in that doc does not mean EG supports it. it would likely need to be added. |
| 15:35 |
berick |
(and also those PDF's will take years off your life) |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
Try to decipher EDI is almost as bad trying to decipher the Voynich Manuscript. :) |
| 15:38 |
Stompro |
berick++ thanks, I was thinking I could shove it in the invoice note field along with the "from edit message x" stuff if nothing else. |
| 15:40 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, in case it's fresh in your mind (I've got a call in, but you know, urgency :( ), do you remember having to do anything special to go from a bib id to a barcode in NCIPServer for SHAREit? It's trying to checkout bibids to patrons. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: They are sending us barcodes AFAIK. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
May be some configuration on their end that is botched. |
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JBoyer |
That figures. Thanks. |
| 15:59 |
JBoyer |
At least there's (probably) nothing setup wrong in my NCIPServer config. |
| 15:59 |
jeff |
that was fun when trying to debug incipit. |
| 15:59 |
jeff |
"wait, the state server is sending you WHAT in that field?" |
| 16:00 |
jeff |
"that's completely different from the value that they were sending us, which is completely different from the value that they were sending the original developers while testing, which is different from what's in the standard..." |
| 16:02 |
JBoyer |
And I'm using mod_dumpio to be able to see them at all, which is really great for log size. |
| 16:09 |
JBoyer |
and readability. |
| 16:09 |
jeff |
do you have a dedicated endpoint so that you can at least be selective about that, or are you dumping all traffic on a live system? |
| 16:10 |
JBoyer |
well, "live," it's a testing server but technically open to the world to see. Dumpio appears to be all or nothing though, I'd have preferred to only dump the NCIP traffic. |
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* jeff |
nods |
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bshum |
Just FYI, shutting down Lupin (the website) for a few to do some maintenance for it |
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bshum |
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