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Dyrcona |
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Dyrcona |
The joy of the lead up to the LTS.1 release: A week or so of daily package updates. |
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kmlussier |
@coffee |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya AA Kiaora Estate Full City Roast, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, bash 4... You made my morning with declare -A... |
| 09:31 |
Dyrcona |
For mapping server names to ports. |
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Dyrcona |
The only thing better would be to have it parse my ssh config....That's an exercise for another day. |
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Dyrcona |
Oops.. I forgot that... exit from a function kills the shell. |
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Dyrcona |
I want return, IIRC. |
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Dyrcona |
Bummer. You apparently cannot export a variable that was declared with -A.... |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, maybe I've got it. |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
And, no.... |
| 10:09 |
Dyrcona |
Seems like a bug... |
| 10:10 |
Dyrcona |
Oh...makes sense: There isn't really a good way to encode an array variable into the environment. |
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JBoyer |
Karma: You shouldn't have bought that junk food from the snack machine and to prove it you'll get no change. Enjoy the $2 M&Ms! |
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_bott_ |
Has anyone else ever experienced an action_trigger.event that is state='complete', but template_output=null, but there is an event_output, but the id was not stored? I'm wondering if it's possibly a DB replication issue, but haven't found any clues. It seems totally random. |
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| 10:48 |
rfrasur |
JBoyer, a thing came up at lunch at the SRCS training about Evergreen inventory. I know there's been a convo in the listserv, but I have a pretty specific question if you've got the time. |
| 10:48 |
JBoyer |
rfrasur, Fire away. |
| 10:49 |
JBoyer |
_bott_, have you asked about this issue in-channel before? I know I've heard of it in here but I've not run into it here. |
| 10:50 |
_bott_ |
JBoyer: I mentioned it last week, but I hadn't dug into it yet. Now I'm finding that it is indeed an orphaned event_output, and just just a failure that isn't getting recorded as an error |
| 10:50 |
_bott_ |
*not just |
| 10:51 |
csharp |
_bott_: we have 619 such event rows in PINES |
| 10:51 |
csharp |
looks like batches that didn't process correctly |
| 10:51 |
rfrasur |
So, a library wants to go through their stacks, scan everything that's there. Upload it into EG and have it spit back a list of things that should be there and aren't. In my mind, that's creating a list, matching it based on some criteria to another list, and then having it return results based on some other criteria. Is that a full-on development thing or something that could be scripted, etc? |
| 10:51 |
_bott_ |
csharp: my misery appreciates your company |
| 10:52 |
csharp |
(meaning that groups of them all occurred on the same date) |
| 10:52 |
csharp |
_bott_: that seems to be our role for each other ;-) |
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| 10:53 |
miker |
rfrasur: there are lots of details between A and C there, and ESI outlined a plan to create a full-on inventory system, but funding (or will) has not materialized. rhamby knows of what I speak quite well :) |
| 10:54 |
rfrasur |
miker, good to note. Is that plan available to look at? or was it a confidential thing? or what? |
| 10:54 |
_bott_ |
Yesterday afternoon, 11 po's activated, all but 3 were just fine, but the other 3 ended up with orphaned POJEDI outputs, event_def 23 seems particularly susceptible to this |
| 10:54 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: there is a ton more than be automated and a lot done to make lives easier. miker, myself and I think it was senator hased up a pretty darn good plan a few years ago |
| 10:54 |
* rfrasur |
never knows when toes are going to get stepped on and has two left feet. |
| 10:54 |
csharp |
rfrasur: this may help? http://pines.georgialibraries.org/inventory |
| 10:55 |
rhamby |
I still think it's a good plan and would work really well in the web based staff client |
| 10:55 |
csharp |
(not a feature, but a process) |
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| 10:56 |
rfrasur_ |
Ugh, pardon. |
| 10:56 |
csharp |
rfrasur_: did you see my last comment? |
| 10:56 |
csharp |
10:54 < csharp> rfrasur: this may help? http://pines.georgialibraries.org/inventory |
| 10:56 |
rfrasur_ |
I did. Thank you. That's helpful to an extent. We did talk about workflows. |
| 10:56 |
csharp |
good ;-) |
| 10:57 |
rfrasur_ |
But, they defined what they want the workflow to be. Scan in, upload, get results. |
| 10:57 |
miker |
rfrasur: :) ... I'm happy to talk about the rough outlines, and we could circulate the plan to folks interested in moving forward, but can't send detailed plans generally |
| 10:57 |
csharp |
yeah... |
| 10:58 |
rfrasur_ |
miker, let's hold off just a little. I think I, as one lone library director have expressed interest, and will go through the channels and see where it goes. |
| 10:58 |
JBoyer |
rfrasur_, You've already gotten fuller answers than I'd have, but yes, what they want == dev == $$. |
| 10:58 |
csharp |
rfrasur_: we also have a requirements doc that was created several years ago that we're willing to share (may or may not be incorporated into ESI's outline) |
| 10:58 |
rfrasur_ |
jboyer, okay, so that gives me that piece of info. |
| 10:58 |
JBoyer |
If EI were part of the MLEDI (my acronymizer may have lost some letters...) that would be a good use of time/funds. ;) |
| 10:58 |
rfrasur_ |
csharp, would you mind sharing that? |
| 10:59 |
csharp |
rfrasur_: I'll dig it up and send it |
| 10:59 |
rfrasur_ |
JBoyer, august meeting |
| 10:59 |
* rfrasur_ |
is officially out of that loop for awhile at least. |
| 11:00 |
rfrasur_ |
But you know my thoughts on the development co-op. |
| 11:01 |
kmlussier |
JBoyer: I hate the fact that EDI appears in that acronym. |
| 11:01 |
* kmlussier |
has been tempted to use it a few times, but the EDI always scares her off. |
| 11:01 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier, agreed. |
| 11:01 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur_: The project rogan and miker referred to has a rough outline in this e-mail thread. http://markmail.org/message/l2zd6volsmbwz46g |
| 11:02 |
rfrasur_ |
I thankfully don't know enough about EDI to be afraid. |
| 11:02 |
rfrasur_ |
kmlussier, thank you. |
| 11:03 |
* csharp |
shudders at mention of EDI |
| 11:03 |
miker |
kmlussier: thanks for digging that up! :) |
| 11:03 |
rfrasur_ |
Okay, that's exactly what we'd be talking about then. |
| 11:03 |
kmlussier |
miker: No problem. Digging up old list messages is one way I keep my librarian skills fresh. |
| 11:04 |
csharp |
kmlussier++ |
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rfrasur |
! I blame new access points. |
| 11:08 |
Dyrcona |
@blame Bad wifi |
| 11:08 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Bad wifi HAXORED Dyrcona's SERVERZ!!!! |
| 11:10 |
Dyrcona |
No, but I do think bad wifi reads my email. :) |
| 11:10 |
miker |
Dyrcona: just wrap the antenna in aluminum foil, keeps the bad guys out |
| 11:11 |
Dyrcona |
....increase the gain..... |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
Functional programming in bash for the win! ;) |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
So, I solved my not able to export the array in bash by writing a function to initialize the array and lookup values in it. |
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Dyrcona |
hmm. strictly speaking...functional programming in bash is probably not possible.... |
| 11:31 |
Dyrcona |
or at least, very difficult... ;) |
| 11:38 |
csharp |
it's clunky as hell |
| 11:38 |
csharp |
but yes, possible ;-) |
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Dyrcona |
If you don't count echo as having side effects (which it does), then it's easier. :) |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
From a functionally purist point of view, even return has side effects. |
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Dyrcona |
Perfect song for this hot afternoon: "Bring on the Night" by The Police. |
| 14:07 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Was there a public git branch for the C/W MARS circulation customizations? I seem to recall it being mentioned, but that was a couple of years ago, and my git fu is failing me. |
| 14:07 |
berick |
Dyrcona: gotta love the vibe in that one |
| 14:08 |
Dyrcona |
berick: Yes, and the follow-up, Deatwish, is funky, too. |
| 14:08 |
Dyrcona |
Deathwish. |
| 14:08 |
* berick |
pulls up Reggatta in spotify |
| 14:09 |
Dyrcona |
Now, I'm "walking on the moon." :) |
| 14:17 |
hbrennan |
Has anyone used Evergreen's SMS capabilities to push texts other than ILS circ/hold info? Such as early literacy tips? |
| 14:20 |
jeff |
Why would you need to send those through the ILS? |
| 14:20 |
jeff |
Also, would they be bulk or individualized in some way? |
| 14:21 |
jeff |
Would you be sending them to a lot of patrons at once, or upon request, or? |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
Bulk |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
Yeah, there would have to be an opt-in process |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
http://www.slj.com/2015/07/feature-articles/texting-1-2-3-brooklyn-public-library-messages-parents-to-get-kids-kindergarten-ready/#_ |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
This sparked the idea |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
But it sounds like a third party service would work better |
| 14:21 |
jeff |
email-to-SMS gateways like Evergreen currently uses are a terrible way to send bulk SMS. They're barely suitable for the current purposes. |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
Ha |
| 14:22 |
jeff |
Third party service (either specific to this kind of messaging, or an API like Twilio) is going to likely be a better idea. |
| 14:22 |
jeff |
Depending on volume, you can do it without a shortcode. |
| 14:22 |
hbrennan |
Figured. But had to ask in case someone has hacked evg to work |
| 14:23 |
jeff |
If you have a large enough volume that you need a shortcode, you're going to want to go through a service where you're sharing a shortcode with others -- or get a grant to pay for the shortcode. :P |
| 14:23 |
jeff |
And in general for that kind of thing I'd recommend opting in via SMS. |
| 14:24 |
hbrennan |
Considering our summer reading program is only at 420 participants, this type of bulk messaging wouldn't be too large |
| 14:24 |
jeff |
As opposed to opting in by saying "this is my phone number". At a minimum, confirmation would be something I'd strongly recommend -- you could have two paths, one where there's a confirmation step and one where it's initiated via SMS, making the confirmation step less critical. |
| 14:26 |
hbrennan |
As someone who just received a "we're worried about you" text from my former dentist, I'm a huge proponent for opt in only |
| 14:28 |
hbrennan |
Thanks for the input (on non-evergreen subject) Above and beyond! jeff++ |
| 14:32 |
jeff |
Yeah, you'll probably want to use a third party service that will let you send from a (shared) shortcode. |
| 14:32 |
jeff |
And opt-in will likely be via SMS. |
| 14:32 |
jeff |
"Send READ to [digits]", etc. |
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| 14:33 |
hbrennan |
That avoids any messiness, which is good |
| 14:35 |
jeff |
looks like the one company that i knew of that catered to libraries in this space has been acquired and possibly abandoned. oh well. |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
nothing too library-specific about this one. shop around, look for reviews, etc. :-) |
| 14:36 |
hbrennan |
Yeah, that article I shared mentions free services but doesn't name |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
and, re-check that SMS is a good method for what you want to do. :-) |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
i would avoid a "free" service. |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
that sounds like a terrible idea. |
| 14:36 |
hbrennan |
Quick search shows Teleflip, txtDrop, etc... but seem to be geared for people trying to avoid text fees |
| 14:37 |
jeff |
a good way to get your patrons a lot of SMS spam, etc. |
| 14:37 |
hbrennan |
Yup |
| 14:37 |
Stompro |
Anyone a ACQ guru here? Is it strange that none of our invoices are ever marked completed? Also, I would assume that the actual costs from an invoice would show up in the fund debits screen, but only the processing charges show there... unless I'm looking at the wrong thing. |
| 14:37 |
hbrennan |
I'll stop junking up the channel with this idea. But thanks again jeff! |
| 14:39 |
_bott_ |
csharp: I have a theory about the orphans... |
| 14:39 |
jeff |
the shortcodes required to send bulk messages of this nature run about $3,000 per quarter, so i would expect to pay a company for the use of theirs, not get it free. :-) |
| 14:39 |
jeff |
hbrennan: you're welcome! |
| 14:40 |
_bott_ |
keep your eye on the template_output. These logs lines are sequential, albeit all noted at the same second. http://pastie.org/pastes/10908383/text |
| 14:42 |
_bott_ |
I added a trigger to prevent template_output from being updated from a non-null to a null. |
| 14:42 |
_bott_ |
...hoping those should not occur naturally |
| 14:43 |
JBoyer |
I do enjoy a good condition.race |
| 14:46 |
mmorgan |
Stompro: I'm certainly not a guru, but I can see in our database that we have a whole bunch of invoices where complete = TRUE |
| 14:48 |
Stompro |
mmorgan, any idea of what process marks an invoice complete? |
| 14:49 |
* mmorgan |
channels a coworker versed in acq |
| 14:50 |
mmorgan |
When you click the "Close" button, the invoice is marked complete. |
| 14:51 |
Stompro |
mmorgan... sigh, I think we were instructed to always click save & clear, which moves on to a new blank invoice. |
| 14:52 |
mmorgan |
I'm told you have to click the close button. Save and clear doesn't close. |
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Stompro |
mmorgan, thanks, that may be part of our problem. |
| 14:55 |
* mmorgan |
conveys thanks to coworker... |
| 15:43 |
mmorgan |
@weather 01923 |
| 15:43 |
pinesol_green |
mmorgan: Danvers, MA :: Scattered Clouds :: 92F/33C | Heat Index: 91F/32C | Friday: Partly cloudy. Hot and humid. High 93F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Friday Night: Scattered thunderstorms early, then becoming clear after midnight. Low 68F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%. | Updated: 50m ago |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
@weather |
| 15:45 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Methuen, MA :: Partly Cloudy :: 95F/35C | Heat Index: 93F/34C | Friday: Sun and clouds mixed. Hot and humid. High 91F. Winds WSW at 10 to 20 mph. Friday Night: Scattered thunderstorms early. Skies will become mostly clear late. Low 67F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%. |
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rhamby |
@weather 29732 |
| 16:00 |
pinesol_green |
rhamby: Rock Hill, SC :: Clear :: 94F/34C | Heat Index: 97F/36C | Friday: Scattered thunderstorms. Lows overnight in the upper 60s. Friday Night: Scattered thunderstorms. Low 69F. Winds SW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. 1 to 2 inches of rain expected. | Updated: 6m ago |
| 16:02 |
hbrennan |
Alright, since we're having a weather contest... |
| 16:02 |
hbrennan |
@weather 99603 |
| 16:02 |
pinesol_green |
hbrennan: Homer, AK :: Overcast :: 59F/15C | Friday: Mostly cloudy skies early, then partly cloudy this afternoon. High 59F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Mostly clear. Low near 50F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. | Updated: 9m ago |
| 16:02 |
hbrennan |
Ahhhh |
| 16:03 |
berick |
ooh, sounds nice |
| 16:03 |
berick |
@weather 27712 |
| 16:03 |
pinesol_green |
berick: Durham, NC :: Overcast :: 89F/32C | Heat Index: 97F/36C | Friday: Scattered thunderstorms. Lows overnight in the upper 60s. Friday Night: Variably cloudy with scattered thunderstorms. Low 69F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 60%. | Updated: 7m ago |
| 16:03 |
hbrennan |
It's been getting into the low 80s, but is cloudy today. Super nice |
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| 16:20 |
mmorgan |
hbrennan: That sounds delightful! |
| 16:23 |
hbrennan |
mmorgan: It is! It'll be in the high 60s/low 70s through the weekend and sunny. Yay! |
| 16:24 |
Dyrcona |
And, 60 below in the winter.... You can keep that. ;) |
| 16:26 |
kmlussier |
Low 70s is too cold for the beach. I'll take our hot and humid weather for a few days longer. |
| 16:26 |
kmlussier |
@weather |
| 16:26 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Light Rain :: 77F/25C | Friday: Thunderstorms likely early. Lows overnight in the upper 60s. Friday Night: Thunderstorms early, then becoming clear after midnight. Low 67F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80%. |
| 16:27 |
kmlussier |
It feels hotter than 77 |
| 16:27 |
hbrennan |
Dyrcona: I live on the water. No harsh winters. It only snowed three times this past season. |
| 16:28 |
Dyrcona |
OK. I'm sold. |
| 16:28 |
Dyrcona |
;) |
| 16:28 |
berick |
hbrennan: hey, that's how many times it snowed here |
| 16:28 |
Dyrcona |
We had an unusually mild winter this year. |
| 16:29 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: Last winter used up all the snow. |
| 16:29 |
Dyrcona |
Guess so. |
| 16:29 |
hbrennan |
I was pretty jealous of the polar vortex.. we didn't get that ever |
| 16:34 |
Dyrcona |
It was not all it's cracked up to be....just colder air from Canada. |
| 16:34 |
Dyrcona |
So, um, is this right.... I'm looking at a picture of Homer, AK taken in Feb. 2008 and there is green.... |
| 16:35 |
hbrennan |
Probably |
| 16:35 |
hbrennan |
It rains throughout the winter |
| 16:36 |
hbrennan |
Right now it looks like this: http://www.mendosa.com/fitnessblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MG_0083_HDR.jpg |
| 16:39 |
Dyrcona |
OK. That looks nice. :) |
| 16:40 |
berick |
i mean, if you like scenery |
| 16:40 |
hbrennan |
:) |
| 16:41 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 16:41 |
* Dyrcona |
listens to his house popping and cracking and waits for it to burst into flames. |
| 16:44 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. There's a place just called "Brewery." Guess you don't need to be any more descriptive than that. |
| 16:46 |
Dyrcona |
You get lots of sunlight this time of year, which makes me fear the winter.... :) |
| 16:46 |
kmlussier |
I could live with that view. |
| 16:57 |
hbrennan |
We actually have two breweries now, so that's a little confusing |
| 16:57 |
hbrennan |
Dyrcona: In the dead of December, we still have light 10a - 4p |
| 16:57 |
Dyrcona |
Yep, I looked it up. |
| 16:58 |
hbrennan |
It's really only lame-ish De/Jan |
| 16:58 |
hbrennan |
And it makes up for it during summer. Right now I'm dying to get some sleep. I just go-go-go in the summer |
| 16:58 |
Dyrcona |
I tried to find out what we have here on the shortest day of the year, but could get usable information for July. |
| 16:59 |
hbrennan |
Homer is at latitude 59, so it's not extreme |
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| 16:59 |
hbrennan |
I've never experienced the all light or all dark... |
| 16:59 |
Dyrcona |
We get about 9 hours on the shortest day. |
| 17:01 |
kmlussier |
I'm calling it a day. Have a nice weekend #evergreen! |
| 17:01 |
hbrennan |
Enjoy your weekend kmlussier! |
| 17:02 |
hbrennan |
Now there's a downside to being in Alaska.. it's not even my lunch yet |
| 17:03 |
Dyrcona |
That's OK. It's already tomorrow somewhere. |
| 17:04 |
hbrennan |
true |
| 17:12 |
Dyrcona |
hbrennan: That's a nice-looking library you got there! |
| 17:12 |
hbrennan |
Dyrcona: Thanks! We're gearing up for our 10-year birthday party in this building |
| 17:12 |
hbrennan |
We bought a bookmobile :) |
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Dyrcona |
Neat. Most everyone around here got rid of their bookmobile, but we're more urban/suburban. |
| 17:18 |
hbrennan |
We bought it from another library. Our service area goes from 40 miles north of us to across a big bay of water.. and about 15 miles another direction |
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* jeff |
ponders holds and bookmobiles |
| 17:33 |
berick |
jeff: i think that's called home delivery |
| 17:34 |
jeff |
probably pretty straightforward, but yeah... if it's on the truck already... |
| 17:34 |
jeff |
i suppose "ready for pickup" needs to be combined with "we'll be at PLACE" and then ideally "now go deliver the ones that people didn't pick up" |
| 17:34 |
jeff |
or just mail them to begin with. |
| 18:54 |
csharp |
@blame add $who WILL PERISH UNDER MAXIMUM DELETION! DELETE. DELETE. DELETE! |
| 18:54 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Blame #23 added. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah well. I'm signing out now. Kinda forgot that I stayed signed in so long. |
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