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| 09:10 |
Dyrcona |
Someone might want to looking into build/tools/relator_map. |
| 09:10 |
Dyrcona |
It spit out some errors and left Open-ILS/src/templates/opac/parts/relators.tt2 empty. |
| 09:10 |
Dyrcona |
I might Launchpad that later if I think of it. |
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tsbere |
Dyrcona: I think that has more to do with issues with loc.gov than the script |
| 09:12 |
Dyrcona |
It very well might. |
| 09:13 |
Dyrcona |
I didn't check to see if they were up or anything. |
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* tsbere |
tried to look up a MARC value and the page isn't loading |
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Dyrcona |
tsbere figured it out. Need to use https |
| 09:21 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: Or, you know, wait for them to fix the non-https version. Which apparently happened in the past minute or two. |
| 09:21 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. Worked this time and there were no changes anyway. ;) |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
Yay for git clean -x -f -d |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: that's the git equivalent of "if you don't clean up this room i'm coming back here with a big box and i'm going to throw everything out!" |
| 09:44 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, indeed. |
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krvmga |
Dyrcona: :) |
| 09:51 |
krvmga |
jeff++ |
| 09:51 |
mceraso |
I did an OS upgrade to all of our servers last night. Reports are running, but the output is not showing anything |
| 09:52 |
jeff |
"i want all of these files either committed or stashed, or they're all GONE!" |
| 09:52 |
mceraso |
a df -h on the application servers shows all the correct shares |
| 09:52 |
mceraso |
I'm not sure what else I may be missing |
| 09:52 |
Dyrcona |
mceraso: enough free space to store the reports? |
| 09:53 |
mceraso |
Dyrcona: I believe so |
| 09:54 |
csharp |
mceraso: when you say the output is not showing anything, do you mean that they get a 404? |
| 09:54 |
csharp |
or that the output screen is available and they aren't seeing results for some reason |
| 09:55 |
mceraso |
csharp: They are directed to a URL that gives them a message "to try viewing through the new library catalog." |
| 09:55 |
kmlussier |
That's special. |
| 09:57 |
csharp |
okay, let's rule out NFS... can you go to the directory where the report share is mounted on an app server and 'ls' its contents? |
| 09:58 |
mceraso |
Sure thing |
| 09:58 |
kmlussier |
berick: In bug 1474566, you mentioned that you were going to test with live data and report back. Did you ever get the chance to test with live data? |
| 09:58 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1474566 in Evergreen "Credit card API amount paid rounding error." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474566 |
| 09:58 |
* kmlussier |
is looking at credit card bugs today |
| 09:59 |
csharp |
mceraso: note that *I* don't need to see the contents, I'm just curious if it shows the dir listing :-) |
| 10:04 |
mceraso |
csharp: It does show the dir listing |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
mceraso: ok - and that's true on all (both?) app server? |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
servers* |
| 10:05 |
JBoyer |
mceraso: You don't have any special apache redirects for old or odd urls do you? The message you quoted doesn't look familiar to me at all. |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
JBoyer: that was my next thought |
| 10:05 |
tsbere |
csharp / mceraso: I can think of two things. One: Can the reporter *write* to NFS? Two: Is there a bad rewriterule in the apache config. |
| 10:06 |
mceraso |
Not sure if this is at all related, but I had trouble restarting the server after I did a reboot |
| 10:07 |
mceraso |
I did the OS updates and then rebooted |
| 10:07 |
csharp |
mceraso: well, let's try to rule out apache next, then we can see about the server reboot issue |
| 10:07 |
berick |
kmlussier: re bug 1474566 -- yes, we're running that code in production |
| 10:07 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1474566 in Evergreen "Credit card API amount paid rounding error." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474566 |
| 10:07 |
mceraso |
csharp: Fair enough :) |
| 10:07 |
mceraso |
JBoyer: We typically get that message when all the drives were mounted on the app servers |
| 10:08 |
kmlussier |
berick: It's ready for a pullrequest tag? |
| 10:08 |
tsbere |
JBoyer: For your reference, my reaction to the message was "they configured a 404 document for the entire server and it is including the reports output dir" |
| 10:08 |
berick |
kmlussier: yes. added comment and tag now... |
| 10:08 |
mceraso |
I tried mounting all of the drives again, and the problem still exists. Usually a sudo mount -a will remedy the issue |
| 10:08 |
csharp |
mceraso: okay, then not NFS |
| 10:09 |
csharp |
or at least it doesn't appear to be |
| 10:09 |
tsbere |
mceraso: Before we dig too much, is it just *new* reports not showing output, or do pre-update reports also do the same thing? |
| 10:09 |
kmlussier |
berick: Great! |
| 10:10 |
kmlussier |
Of course, I have no idea how to test it. Not sure how you get to 9.999999 in fines. |
| 10:10 |
tsbere |
kmlussier: Floating point weirdness. |
| 10:10 |
mceraso |
tsbere: Checking on that now |
| 10:11 |
mceraso |
tsbere: I can confirm it is just new reports |
| 10:11 |
tsbere |
mceraso: Then your NFS *and* apache are fine. |
| 10:12 |
tsbere |
mceraso: I would suggest looking at "Can the machine running clark kent write to NFS" and/or "Are the reports being written with the correct permissions" |
| 10:13 |
tsbere |
mceraso: To clarify nfs/apache being fine: On the machine(s) running apache. NFS may *not* be fine where clark is running. |
| 10:13 |
mceraso |
tsbere: Gotcha |
| 10:13 |
csharp |
might be a file owner mismatch between the NFS share server and the app server |
| 10:14 |
mceraso |
Could this have happened with just a server OS upgrade? |
| 10:14 |
csharp |
i.e., opensrf on server 1 has a different UID than opensrf on server2 and NFS goes by UID |
| 10:15 |
berick |
kmlussier: i had to create a scenario with 40+ transactions each for small amounts (.10,.20, etc.). it was a pain. in this case, i think as long as nothing is broken, we're good. |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
mceraso: was it an in-place upgrade or a resintallation? |
| 10:15 |
tsbere |
mceraso: Could be that the NFS never mounted on the machine running clark, so it is outputting files to the mountpoint instead of to NFS itself. |
| 10:15 |
kmlussier |
berick: ok, thanks! |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
tsbere: right |
| 10:16 |
mceraso |
csharp: just a sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and a reboot |
| 10:16 |
mceraso |
Nothing more |
| 10:16 |
mceraso |
But there was a Port 22 Connection Failure when I tried to access the server again |
| 10:16 |
csharp |
mceraso: oh, so not a version upgrade then, ok |
| 10:17 |
csharp |
mceraso: while it was coming back up? |
| 10:17 |
mceraso |
csharp: Yes |
| 10:18 |
csharp |
mceraso: you'll get a connection refused if the server is not ready for SSH connections - if that was the only issue you saw, I would probably not worry about it |
| 10:18 |
Bmagic |
Would anyone be able to help me turn up a bug report for "item checkin voids all bills but the circulation remains in the other/special" |
| 10:19 |
csharp |
Bmagic: I think that's an OU setting |
| 10:20 |
Bmagic |
csharp: oh sure, it is, but in the case a library doesn't charge overdue fines, and the item is returned, and the bill goes to $0 - there is a bug where the transaction doesn't get closed |
| 10:20 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: The other/special is probably partially tied to the stop fines reason, so checking that may be a clue |
| 10:21 |
Bmagic |
I could have swore I or someone else reported this bug |
| 10:23 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: An old one relating to LOST items is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/758982 |
| 10:23 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 758982 in Evergreen "2.0, 1.6, Transactions not closing for LOST items once xact has been re-opened for modified billings. " [High,Fix released] |
| 10:24 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Maybe this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/965656 |
| 10:24 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 965656 in Evergreen "Close transactions after fines are voided, " [Medium,Fix released] |
| 10:25 |
Bmagic |
that one was pushed to master ~2.5 |
| 10:26 |
berick |
hmm, who can I bug to update the downloads page to point to 2.8.6 ? |
| 10:26 |
Dyrcona |
berick: I believe I can do it. |
| 10:26 |
berick |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:26 |
Dyrcona |
I am releasing 2.9.2 today. |
| 10:36 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier: The short answer to how to get to 9.99999 in fines is that you have to do a lot of addition. That bug may explain the 3 cent difference I saw on a CC payment recently. First time I've seen any issues and BAM, 3 issues at once, heh. |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
Computers are bad at floating point math, and Perl is even worse. |
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Dyrcona |
OK. 2.9.2 is uploaded. I'll see if I do have permission to change the downloads page. |
| 11:47 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: If you don't, let me know. I can do it. |
| 11:47 |
Dyrcona |
I don't think I can. What is it I'm supposed to see when I can change it? |
| 11:48 |
kmlussier |
You need to be logged into Wordpress. If your login expired, you won't see it. https://evergreen-ils.org/wp-admin |
| 11:49 |
Dyrcona |
I am logged in. I thought I was supposed to get some kind of edit option or an additional row on the right column. |
| 11:49 |
Dyrcona |
Looks like all I can do is add blog posts. |
| 11:50 |
kmlussier |
In that case, yes, you should see an Edit Page option in a black bar along the top. |
| 11:50 |
kmlussier |
You also need to make sure you're using https |
| 11:50 |
Dyrcona |
Nope. Not there. Guess I don't have the permissions. |
| 11:51 |
Dyrcona |
I've got the black bar, no edit page option. |
| 11:51 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Yeah, I just looked it up. Looks like you're an "author." |
| 11:52 |
Dyrcona |
I thought I was gonna get promoted after last time, but whatevs. :) |
| 11:53 |
kmlussier |
I'll update the page, but I'm also thinking that anyone elected as RM should get more powers as part of the job. :) |
| 11:54 |
kmlussier |
While I'm there, 2.7 is security only, right? |
| 11:54 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, I think so. |
| 11:54 |
kmlussier |
A little bird just told me it's beyond security |
| 11:54 |
kmlussier |
So I'll remove it. |
| 11:55 |
kmlussier |
Or maybe I'll wait until beta comes out, the little bird says. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Stephenson] Forward port 2.9.1 to 2.9.2 upgrade script and server upgrade instructions. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=39e197a> |
| 12:09 |
kmlussier |
Downloads page is updated. I think I checked all the links, but somebody may want to double check. |
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kmlussier |
Looks like the upgrade docs need to be updated too. http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.9/_upgrade_the_evergreen_database_schema.html I don't think I can get to it now, but if nobody else gets to it, I might be able do it later this afternoon. |
| 12:29 |
kmlussier |
I think bshum used to take responsibility for that. |
| 12:31 |
kmlussier |
Of course, it's something that can be done by anyone who has commit privileges for docs |
| 12:36 |
kmlussier |
Calling 0956 and 0957 |
| 12:38 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] Porting 2.8.4-2.8.5 / 2.8.5-2.8.6 DB upgrade scripts - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=24cf938> |
| 12:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1474051 Drop unneeded CC payment fields - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4718bf4> |
| 12:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1474051 PGTAP test checking dropped columns - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c23f145> |
| 12:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1474051 CRON script for clearing CC numbers - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a8cb9b9> |
| 12:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1474051 Release/Upgrade Notes on dropped CC fields - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9247180> |
| 12:46 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1474051 Stamping upgrade script for drop-cc-data - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4ae3fa1> |
| 12:46 |
csharp |
berick++ kmlussier++ |
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berick |
kmlussier++ indeed |
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Dyrcona |
Net split! |
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kmlussier |
@dessert |
| 14:25 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs some of yboston's cheese flan for kmlussier |
| 14:25 |
* kmlussier |
is still waiting for her cheese flan from yboston. ;) |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
@brew |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
@bartender |
| 14:28 |
* pinesol_green |
fills a pint glass with Wachusett Blueberry Ale, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/20/2190/) |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
Ooh. Something local...but not quite my favorite. |
| 14:28 |
jeff |
not a huge fan of fruit beers. |
| 14:29 |
jeff |
but i had a surprisingly tasty beer with nutmeg in it the other day: http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22564/79840/ |
| 14:30 |
* Dyrcona |
neither. Thought I do like an occasional raspberry lambic. |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
I get one with basil sometimes. I think it's called Emotional Rescue. |
| 14:33 |
Dyrcona |
https://untappd.com/b/smuttynose-brewing-co-emotional-rescue-2-0/1034464 |
| 14:33 |
Dyrcona |
Apparently, brewed exclusively for my favorite place to get pizza. |
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* csharp |
used to have a strong preference for IPAs |
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berick |
hmm, trouble connecting xul client to a server w/ tls 1.0 disabled (1.1 and 1.2 enabled) |
| 15:33 |
* berick |
sees xulrunner 14 supports the old-style tls pref security.enable_tls, but not the new style security.tls.version.max |
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berick |
.. which may mean 1.1 and 1.2 are not even supported by version 14 |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
Could be, and so another reason to get away from it. |
| 15:39 |
* dbs |
sighs |
| 15:39 |
berick |
and too bad tls 1.0 is considered unsufficient for pci compliance |
| 15:39 |
* berick |
knew this day would come, hoped it would come later |
| 15:40 |
berick |
i'll open a bug so we have this documented |
| 15:42 |
kmlussier |
:( |
| 15:45 |
JBoyer |
I'm not trying to be negative, but accepting CCs through the client always skeeved me out. The way I read the PCI requirements the library network where the number is entered would "count" as far as compliance, and if you're part of a consortium with widely varying IT staff... D: |
| 15:48 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Yeah, we've pretty much told our members' staff that you do not want to touch credit cards at the circ. desk. |
| 15:50 |
berick |
I mainly note the PCI aspect as further proof (to those what have funding power) that we need to continue aggressively killing xulrunner |
| 15:51 |
berick |
fortuantely, we don't do CC payments via the staff client either. |
| 15:52 |
kmlussier |
I wonder if anyone is doing CC payments through the client. The consortia here are not, but I know there has been talk at one library about using a card swipe to take payments at the desk. |
| 15:52 |
Dyrcona |
It looks like XulRunner has been discontinued as of last October/November. |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
We're not doing CC payments at all. Some members want to, some don't seem to care, others have issues with the town and revenue. |
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Dyrcona |
sandbergja2: Have you been getting my emails? |
| 16:06 |
kmlussier |
OK, it's been more than three months since the hack-a-way, and I'm now just getting to my action item to start a larger community discussion on search. |
| 16:06 |
kmlussier |
Actually, I noticed that action item didn't make it to the hack-a-way notes, but I remember it in my head, so I'm going with it. |
| 16:07 |
kmlussier |
I was thinking I might start by having 1 or 2 focus-group-type discussions here in IRC. Would there be any objections to that? |
| 16:08 |
berick |
certainly no objection from me |
| 16:09 |
Dyrcona |
None here, either. |
| 16:09 |
kmlussier |
As a reminder, the discussion will ultimately lead to identifying what the community would like to see in search and maybe help answer some questions of what we mean when we say we want "relevant results." |
| 16:10 |
kmlussier |
My notes also said I was supposed to fiinish this by the end of the 2015 calendar year, so I'm obviously running behind schedule. |
| 16:10 |
* kmlussier |
goes about setting up Doodle polls based on the lack of objection from two people paying attention at 4 p.m. on a Friday. :) |
| 16:11 |
kmlussier |
But, first, a Doodle poll for Bug Squashing Day. |
| 16:11 |
_bott_ |
Since someone mentioned CCs... Our City recently switched to a company called Point & Pay for swipes and manual entries. We may have to replace our Authorize.Net gateway with their processing. Anyone out there ever worked with the Point & Pay API? |
| 16:12 |
Dyrcona |
Schedules? We don't need no steenkin' schedules..... |
| 16:13 |
kmlussier |
Speaking of schedules, the 2.10 release is scheduled for my birthday. |
| 16:13 |
berick |
ah, yes, so much power granted to those who show up |
| 16:13 |
kmlussier |
@eightball will I get a perfect Evergreen system that serves me coffee for my birthday? |
| 16:13 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: I doubt it very much. |
| 16:14 |
kmlussier |
berick: I always time my big "need feedback" questions for Friday afternoons. |
| 16:14 |
berick |
kmlussier: you should work in politics |
| 16:14 |
berick |
oh wait, i guess you kind of do |
| 16:15 |
kmlussier |
_bott_: I've only worked with PayPal. |
| 16:15 |
kmlussier |
berick: Yeah, I was just about to say that. :) |
| 16:15 |
csharp |
politics-- |
| 16:15 |
_bott_ |
I'd never heard of Point & Pay. Ah, the power of the lowest bidder... |
| 16:16 |
csharp |
heh |
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dbwells |
kmlussier: Your b-day is March 17? |
| 16:26 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: yup |
| 16:27 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: me too :D Always nice to have so many people celebrate and make rivers green and stuff. |
| 16:27 |
Dyrcona |
_bott_: I almost read it as "Point and Pray." |
| 16:27 |
dbs |
Punt and Pray |
| 16:27 |
Dyrcona |
dbs++ |
| 16:27 |
berick |
hah |
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| 16:28 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: Really? Glad to share a bday with you! |
| 16:29 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: thanks, and to you as well! |
| 16:55 |
abowling1 |
dbwells: kmlussier: was just reading on hash collisions today, and the article alluded to the "birthday problem." are you familiar with it? |
| 16:56 |
abowling1 |
it's an intriguing counterintuitive math problem |
| 16:57 |
kmlussier |
abowling1: No, I've never heard of it. |
| 16:57 |
* kmlussier |
consults Wikipedia |
| 16:58 |
abowling1 |
in a room of 23 randomly selected people, the odds that any two of those people share are birthday is 50%. in a room of 50, it's 97% |
| 16:58 |
berick |
it is very mind bendy |
| 16:58 |
abowling1 |
in a room of 70, it's 99.9% |
| 16:58 |
abowling1 |
berick: indeed |
| 16:58 |
abowling1 |
far from what you'd expect, but i had a slight "a-ha" after seeing the math |
| 16:59 |
dbwells |
The best trick I know when dealing with compound odds is to realize there is often only one way for something to "not" happen. Then it becomes much plainer to see, IMHO. |
| 17:00 |
abowling1 |
the birthday conversation just seemed too much a happy coincidence, as i had just read it not an hour ago |
| 17:02 |
dbwells |
(ignoring leap years) So the odds of two people *not* sharing a birthday are 364/365. Now we have two days covered, so the odds of a third not hitting those are 364/365 * 363/365. Keep going, and its easy to see how the odds of it not happening diminish rapidly. :) |
| 17:02 |
kmlussier |
What are the odds of learning about the birthday problem just an hour before then witnessing two mutual acquaintances discover that they have the same birthday? ;) |
| 17:02 |
dbwells |
hah |
| 17:03 |
kmlussier |
I can't look at match at 5 p.m. on a Friday |
| 17:03 |
kmlussier |
math, even |
| 17:05 |
abowling1 |
kmlussier: 1.) or not learning the odds, to dbwells point? :) 2.) i'm in the same friday mode, which is why i typed it |
| 17:06 |
kmlussier |
heh |
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* bshum |
whistles a happy tune to himself as he moves LP targets about |
| 18:39 |
bshum |
berick++ Dyrcona++ # releases! |
| 18:44 |
csharp |
kmlussier: FYI - the Monday - Wednesday offered for the Bug Squashing Day conflict with Code4Lib - Terran and I are going and I know of at least one other EG person who is planning to go - just FYI - hopefully the Friday before will work |
| 18:47 |
bshum |
Added new milestones for 2.9.3 and 2.8.7 (with target for next march 16, but who's counting...) |
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jeffdavis |
Is anyone actually preparing a patch for bug 1517298? It's listed on the 2.10 roadmap, but the ticket is unassigned and I don't see a branch for it in the working repo. |
| 19:44 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1517298 in Evergreen " Catalogue should support Piwik, a privacy-sensitive alternative to Google Analytics" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517298 |
| 23:39 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Yeah, Terran emailed me about that. Friday's looking good so far. |
| 23:39 |
kmlussier |
Of course, we've only gotten 4 responses. |
| 23:41 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: I wondered if your example would help us along with that bug, but yeah seems quiet for the moment. |
| 23:42 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: I figured it would not be hard to add rigging for variables for piwik config and include the right snippet example with instructions to grab what you need and paste in from a piwik install. |
| 23:42 |
bshum |
Just a matter of header or footer, maybe? :) |
| 23:43 |
bshum |
"The higher, the fewer!" |
