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csharp |
@later tell scrawler if you're seeing the apache default index.html, you've missed something. You should see something like this: https://webby.evergreencatalog.com/eg/opac/home |
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csharp: The operation succeeded. |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
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csharp |
@praise kmlussier |
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* pinesol_green |
And kmlussier raised the report up on high, saying O Lord, bless this thy circ report, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. |
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kmlussier |
Ha ha ha. I've never seen that one before. |
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mmorgan |
:) |
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jeff |
hrm. by default, a gitlab instance refuses to accept a push that includes our "minor corruption" in the Evergreen git repo. |
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krvmga |
i'm doing an upgrade from 2.8 to 2.9 - when i make Makefile.install for debian-wheezy i get an error message "configure: error: Invalid PostgreSQL directory - libraries not found" |
| 09:03 |
krvmga |
since i already had a working installation on this machine, i'm wondering what's happened? |
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tsbere |
jeff: "minor corruption"? |
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tsbere |
krvmga: Tarball or git install? |
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krvmga |
tsbere: tarball |
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tsbere |
krvmga: Do you know what part of things was running when that error came up? |
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jeff |
tsbere: we have three objects in our history that throw a "contains zero-padded file modes" warning in git-fsck. since gitlab defaults to "receive.fsckObjects = true", this causes a fatal error if you try to push the Evergreen repo to a gitlab instance. |
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jeff |
fwiw, as of 2013 a github employee stated that they explicitly permit that particular warning, but no others. |
| 09:18 |
jeff |
it is a common error, due to one or more past client bugs. |
| 09:19 |
tsbere |
good to know |
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* csharp |
reads https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15598465/should-i-worry-about-git-fsck-warning-contains-zero-padded-file-modes |
| 09:25 |
jeff |
csharp: we live with them and accept that when pack v4 gets here we probably won't be able to use it, or at some point we rip off a band-aid and invalidate every commit hash ever. |
| 09:26 |
jeff |
of course, pack v4 might already be here. it was getting close three years ago. |
| 09:28 |
jeff |
my only issue at the moment is noting that stock git doesn't seem to have per-warning granularity for the receive.fsckObjects setting (that seems to be something only github has implemented), and one of the primary reasons for gitlab turning it on by default was to fix a security vulnerability. |
| 09:28 |
jeff |
I'm trying to figure out if it was to work around an unpatched vuln and protect against theoretical future ones, or if the setting change itself was the fix. |
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* Dyrcona |
will release 2.9.2 today. |
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* Dyrcona |
ended up not having time for it last night. |
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* csharp |
just realized what "zero-padded file modes" are: 755 vs 0755 |
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csharp |
ugh |
| 09:52 |
csharp |
what a waste if we have to screw up everyone's remote repos for something that small |
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jeff |
it is a widespread enough error that there was discussion about making sure it was something that the new pack format could handle. |
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krvmga |
tsbere: the program was going through checks - checking for libdbi framework... yes: headers in /usr/local/include, checking for MySQL support... no etc. |
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krvmga |
but then it did - checking for PostgreSQL support... no |
| 10:00 |
krvmga |
and then threw the error |
| 10:00 |
krvmga |
seems odd to me. |
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tsbere |
krvmga: I thought you were running Makefile.install? |
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krvmga |
i was running the command make -f Open-ILS/src/extras/Makefile.install debian-wheezy |
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csharp |
krvmga: related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1445182 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1445182 in Evergreen 2.7 "Debian Jessie 2.8.0 libdbi-drivers cannot find libpq.so" [Undecided,Fix released] |
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csharp |
(particularly the last 2 comments on the bug) |
| 10:35 |
krvmga |
csharp: i think that may be exactly it. i'm seeing what i can do now. |
| 10:35 |
krvmga |
tsbere++ |
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krvmga |
csharp++ |
| 10:43 |
kmlussier |
berick: If I wanted to test the code from bug 1333254, I also need to load the code from bug 1380709? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1333254 in Evergreen "EDI invoices automatically expend debits" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333254 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1380709 in Evergreen "invoice print amounts-per-fund uses wrong value when item price varies" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380709 |
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kmlussier |
Actually, that code already has a signoff. I should just take a quick look at it and merge it. |
| 10:44 |
berick |
kmlussier: the branch for 1333254 contains the code for both branches. ideally, yes, 1380709 would be merged fisrt |
| 10:45 |
berick |
then (if necessary) I can clean up / rebase the 1333254 branch to avoid any conflicts |
| 10:45 |
kmlussier |
OK, I understand now. Thanks! |
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kmlussier |
berick++ #More acq improvements! |
| 10:46 |
berick |
kmlussier: holler at me if you have any issues. would love to see these merged. |
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pinesol_green |
Showing latest 5 of 6 commits to Evergreen... |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1367926: release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b3b433d> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1367926: add some unit tests - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8e60e0a> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1367926: various improvements and bugfixes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f0ac3da> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1367926: Expose non-MARC bre data via U2 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b1892a6> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1367926: Add support for (nearly) direct access to the full unapi backend - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4fbeac6> |
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dbwells |
As I think Dyrcona mentioned earlier, it seems like that commit plugin got reversed or something. It shows the first give commits backwards, when I feel like it used to show the last five commits, ordered oldest to newest. Doesn't matter much, just throwing it out in case anyone who can wanted to look into it. |
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dbwells |
Possible my memory is off, but in any case, it isn't doing what it claims to do :) |
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kmlussier |
Speaking of our IRC plugins, the one that used to show the results of our QA tests still doesn't seem to be hooked up. |
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kmlussier |
Just in case anyone wants to look at that one while looking at the commit plugin. ;) |
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jeff |
@rss announce |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed. |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
ah. |
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jeff |
well, that's a problem. |
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jeff |
@rss qatests |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: 11:24 AM, February 18, 2016: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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jeff |
@rss announce list |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: qatests |
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jeff |
@rss info qatests |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: Title: Test Output Summary; URL: <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>; Description: Live Test Suite; Last updated: time unavailable. |
| 11:25 |
jeff |
okay, todo list entry created. |
| 11:26 |
kmlussier |
jeff++ |
| 11:30 |
Bmagic |
anyone have a general idea of why an item (in item status) on the holds tab will say "not captured for a hold, however its status is incorrectly set to "on holds shelf" please check in this item to correct the status." |
| 11:30 |
Bmagic |
Like what events could lead up to that situation? |
| 11:30 |
jeff |
most common reason would be that the hold has been cancelled. |
| 11:30 |
Bmagic |
Oh, well, that is simple - if a hold is canceled, it will remove the target? |
| 11:31 |
Bmagic |
Whoops, I mean remove the capture date |
| 11:31 |
jeff |
you can probably reproduce that scenario quickly by placing a hold, capturing it, having it be "available", and then (as the patron) cancel the hold in the opac. |
| 11:32 |
jeff |
i don't recall without checking if a "patron cancelled while hold was ready for pickup" hold clears capture_date. do you think that's relevant? |
| 11:34 |
Bmagic |
I just checked on this example - the cancel cause is "shelf expire" |
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tsbere |
jeff: I don't think it clears capture_date |
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tsbere |
Bmagic: I suspect that someone cleared the shelf but didn't check the book in |
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Bmagic |
tsbere: yeah, they couldn't find the book |
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* tsbere |
generally prefers the clear shelf expired holds checkin modifier these days |
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kmlussier |
Heh, just noticed we have three live-t tests with the number 10 |
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kmlussier |
Does it matter if we have duplicate test numbers in that directory? I ask because I was just about to merge a branch that will add another duplicate. |
| 11:42 |
Dyrcona |
I don't think it does matter, but it is not esthetically pleasing. :) |
| 11:45 |
kmlussier |
Well, maybe I'll change the number for the one I'm merging, and if others want to clean up the others for aesthetic reasons, they can. :) |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
Sounds good to me. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1380709 Renaming live-t test to avoid duplicate numbers - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5c3d3e3> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1380709 Perl live test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=136b6b1> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1380709 acq.lineitem_detail.fund_debit INDEX - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9f8444f> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1380709 fund_debit.invoice_entry INDEX - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=81804c9> |
| 11:55 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1380709 Fund debit links to invoice entry - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=94ec1e1> |
| 11:58 |
berick |
kmlussier++ |
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berick |
I'll rebase 1333254 |
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kmlussier |
I think I'm going to put a few acq branches on one server and hand it over to our acq folks. |
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berick |
rebased |
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berick |
... as user/berick/lp1333254-invoices-paid-on-close-rebase |
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kmlussier |
berick++ |
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kmlussier |
Bah! I missed the upgrade script on that one. I have yet to do an upgrade script correctly on the first try. |
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berick |
looks like we have 2 that need fixing |
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kmlussier |
yeah |
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kmlussier |
Calling 0953 and 0954 |
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Guest66767 |
Sorry about that. It's my first time here! Thanks for your help. |
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jeff |
Guest66767: hello, Danielle -- looks like someone else already goes by that name on this IRC network. You should be able to pick another name by typing something like: /nick Danielle2 |
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Christineb |
Acquisitions Interest Group meeting will begin in 5 minutes |
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Dyrcona |
Well, way things are going, it looks no 2.9.2 today. |
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Christineb |
#startmeeting Acquisitions Interest Group Quarterly Meeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Feb 18 13:00:32 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is Christineb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'acquisitions_interest_group_quarterly_meeting' |
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Christineb |
#topic Introductions |
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jihpringle |
#info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle - BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) |
| 13:01 |
Christineb |
#info Christineb is Christine Burns - BC Libraries Cooperative / Sitka |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1380709 Stamping upgrade script for fund debit invoice links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=deb37b8> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1367926 Stamping upgrade script for direct access to full unapi backend - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b4f2951> |
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mmburlington |
Millissa Macomber - Burlington Public Library, Washington state |
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dluch_ |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill - MOBIUS / Missouri Evergreen |
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Danielle2 |
Danielle Davis York County Library System, Pennsylvania |
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mllewellyn |
Mary Llewellyn, Bibliomation, Connecticut |
| 13:04 |
Christineb |
#info - meeting agenda has been posted here - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=acq:interest-group:feb-18-2016-agenda |
| 13:05 |
Christineb |
#topic - Review development wishlist - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iEWNjR3yhluIA5ViLZAj_QANEmaKlJ5L8JMubtO_mZc/edit?usp=sharing |
| 13:06 |
Christineb |
as you can see, some items are still missing bug#'s |
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jihpringle |
and some items may now be in Evergreen (if I remember correctly this list was based on 2.6) |
| 13:08 |
jihpringle |
it would be good to have this list reviewed, completed bugs noted, and the final items added as bugs to launchpad ahead of the conference |
| 13:10 |
jihpringle |
is anyone willing to volunteer for work on any of that between now and April? |
| 13:10 |
dluch_ |
I agree! There are a few "this seems to be working in 2.7" kind of notes on the doc, but nothing comprehensive |
| 13:11 |
Christineb |
The Georgia pines ladies have created a requirements doc for #1 , bugs for #2, 3, 4 & 5 need more information before requirements docs can be written |
| 13:11 |
dluch_ |
I can help, but won't be able to tackle it all. |
| 13:12 |
Christineb |
dluch anything you can do is appreciated :D |
| 13:14 |
dluch_ |
Ok. :-) |
| 13:15 |
Christineb |
#action dluch christineb jihpringle to review current development list as time permists |
| 13:15 |
Christineb |
#topic Review existing acq bugs needing testing |
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Christineb |
3 Acq bugs on Launchpad with pullrequest tag - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iEWNjR3yhluIA5ViLZAj_QANEmaKlJ5L8JMubtO_mZc/edit?usp=sharing |
| 13:18 |
jihpringle |
does anyone have the ability/time/resources to test any of these bugs? |
| 13:18 |
jihpringle |
I think if they were tested and signed off they would have a better chance of making it into the next release |
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jihpringle |
I would love to see 1333254 make it into 2.10 (it would make year end so much easier) but we don't currently have a test server we can test it on |
| 13:21 |
jihpringle |
if they don't make it into 2.10 we'll want to make sure they get included in bug squashing day so they can get included in 2.11 (or whatever comes next) |
| 13:21 |
Christineb |
#topic New Business |
| 13:21 |
Christineb |
anyone have anything new to discuss? |
| 13:22 |
jihpringle |
Leslie from PINES wasn't able to attend today but had a couple questions |
| 13:22 |
jihpringle |
they are trying to determine if what they are seeing are bugs or caused by their local configuration |
| 13:22 |
jihpringle |
1. On a selection list when there is more than one page to the list, do you find you have to apply actions to each page? Do your selections (checking the line items box at the top of each page) hold through the list when you change pages? |
| 13:23 |
jihpringle |
2. . If a vendor order record is brought in multiple times by a library system (let's say 5 times) (a separate list for each branch)do you find that each record is a separate line item and there are now 5 records showing in the catalog? Is there a way, that you know of, to combine the lists into one order so that there is one line item with several copies? |
| 13:23 |
jihpringle |
Has anyone see either of these issues? |
| 13:23 |
mllewellyn |
1. yes |
| 13:23 |
mllewellyn |
that's why we don't perform actions like applying funds until we move the list to the PO |
| 13:24 |
mllewellyn |
1, part 2, no you can't select on one page and move to another and have the first page lines stay selected. |
| 13:25 |
mllewellyn |
since the PO shows all lines on one page, we don't really do anything on the selection lsit. |
| 13:25 |
Christineb |
mllewellyn, if you could do this, would it improve your workflow - would you prefer to apply the fund on the selection list? |
| 13:25 |
mllewellyn |
No, we're used to working on the PO now. |
| 13:25 |
Christineb |
ok good to know |
| 13:26 |
jihpringle |
thanks |
| 13:26 |
jihpringle |
anyone seen #2? |
| 13:26 |
mllewellyn |
actually, most of our libraries upload their orders and go straight to the PO. |
| 13:26 |
Christineb |
mllewellyn most of our libraries skip selection list as well |
| 13:27 |
dluch_ |
Ours, too |
| 13:27 |
Christineb |
we have 1 or 2 that use it but most just create PO |
| 13:27 |
Danielle2 |
2. We start from the PO as well and do not use Selections Lists. |
| 13:28 |
mllewellyn |
As to 2, we have one multi branch library ordering, and they don't load multiple times. They load the order with the quantities associated with each liine item, with the branches associated with the copies, all in a single load. |
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Christineb |
#action jihpringle will advise Leslie @ Pines --> on selection list actions must be applied to each page - you cannot select on one page and move to another and have the first page lines stay selected |
| 13:30 |
dluch_ |
I'm pretty sure that's what ours, does too. Like mllwewllyn's |
| 13:30 |
dluch_ |
(sorry for the random comma there) |
| 13:30 |
Christineb |
mllewellyn - our multibranch libraries use similar process |
| 13:30 |
Danielle2 |
2. At our system, we have multiple branches all-with thier own fund codes-and they submit thier orders at thier own pace. When we import the vendor records to create order records, we use the ISBN match to ensure that they all end up on the same bib record. This usually works but not always. |
| 13:31 |
mllewellyn |
Yes, we use the loader to match the bibs, based on ISBN or UPC. |
| 13:32 |
Christineb |
#action jihpringle will ask Leslie @ Pines for more information --> What record match set are they using on Upload? Can they provide more specific details regarding workflow, fund codes used etc |
| 13:32 |
Christineb |
Does anyone have any new issue or bugs they've run into that they want to bring up |
| 13:32 |
mllewellyn |
and 001, for vendor ID numbers in the bibs, too |
| 13:32 |
Danielle2 |
2. Also, what you may be thinking of is a distribution list? We have a centralized ordering system that sends a copy of each book on a standing order to all of our libraries. I create distribution lists to choose the right locations and funds for each of the 13 items. |
| 13:34 |
dluch_ |
Maybe this is coming next, but...I haven't looked at the conferene schedule recently, but do we have a meeting time/place? |
| 13:34 |
mllewellyn |
It would be nice if we could get EDI to transmit the copy ID instead of the lineitem detail ID. |
| 13:35 |
Christineb |
#topic AIG in person meeting at the 2016 Evergreen International Conference |
| 13:35 |
dluch_ |
lol |
| 13:35 |
mmburlington |
Not sure if this is on the bug list...I was interested in something to notify us if an EDI order doesn't process correctly. |
| 13:36 |
jihpringle |
mmburlington I don't think that is currently on the bug list but would be a good addition |
| 13:36 |
Christineb |
mllewellyn: I am pretty sure the EDI template for different vendors can be customized |
| 13:36 |
mllewellyn |
mmburlington: Have you looked at the EDI messages under the Acquisitions server menu? |
| 13:37 |
mllewellyn |
christineb: I looked at the JEDI template, and it says "copy ID" but it turns out to be lineitem ID |
| 13:37 |
mmburlington |
mllewellyn: I'm not sure how to do that. I know I can look at each individual PO after I have sent them to see if they've gone through but that can be tedious. |
| 13:37 |
jihpringle |
Admin -> Acquisitons -> EDI Messages |
| 13:37 |
mllewellyn |
mmburlington: under the admin menu, under aquisitions |
| 13:37 |
jihpringle |
assuming you have the permissions to view |
| 13:39 |
mmburlington |
Thank you. Just found it and that does help. |
| 13:39 |
mmburlington |
Also did I hear that there might be an improvement for processing standing orders in the works? |
| 13:39 |
Christineb |
Yes coming in 2.9 |
| 13:40 |
Christineb |
"Blanket" orders allow staff to invoice an encumbered amount multiple times, paying off the charge over a period of time. The work flow supported by this development assumes staff does not need to track the individual contents of the order, only the amounts encumbered and invoiced in bulk. |
| 13:41 |
mmburlington |
That would be great. |
| 13:41 |
mllewellyn |
We have that functionality, but my libraries don't seem interested. |
| 13:41 |
dluch_ |
oh, awesome |
| 13:42 |
Danielle2 |
mburlington: I check all of the EDI messages after ordering each PO to make sure it went through. There should be 2 messages-and IN and an OUT message. You can view these from a link directly on the PO-View EDI Messages. You do not have to go all the way in to Admin to check on a single PO. |
| 13:43 |
mllewellyn |
But the EDI message area gives you a bird's eye view, if you find going PO by PO to be tedious |
| 13:44 |
Danielle2 |
mllewellyn: Yes, you are exactly right. :) |
| 13:45 |
mllewellyn |
we're set up so the response messages only come at night.If you have a faster schedule, then waiting by the PO will work fine. |
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mmburlington |
I think ours goes through only at a certain time as well. |
| 13:45 |
Christineb |
Our EDI pusher sends orders every 5 minutes, but our EDI fetcher only runs once a day @ 10:00 am |
| 13:46 |
mllewellyn |
our outbound messages go once an hour |
| 13:46 |
Christineb |
this way I can check once a day to make sure all the invoices processed correctly |
| 13:46 |
Danielle2 |
mllewellyn: Ok that makes a lot of sense-we get ours within 15 minutes of Activating the PO. |
| 13:47 |
Christineb |
There will be no formal Acquisitions meeting at the 2016 Evergreen Conference |
| 13:47 |
Christineb |
But we would like to schedule a time for an In-person meeting, similar to last year where we met during lunch or break period |
| 13:48 |
kmlussier |
Sorry to interrput, but back to the question above regarding testing of the acq bugs with pull request tags (http://bit.ly/1XAcriq), I just loaded the code for all three on a MassLNC Sandbox. If anyone wants to test, let me know and I'll send you login details. |
| 13:48 |
jihpringle |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:48 |
Christineb |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:48 |
Christineb |
you are the best!!!!! |
| 13:48 |
mllewellyn |
kmlussier ++ |
| 13:48 |
jihpringle |
I will definitely test if you send me login details |
| 13:48 |
kmlussier |
OK. great! jihpringle++ |
| 13:49 |
jihpringle |
thanks :) |
| 13:49 |
Christineb |
I can test as well, I won't have time until next week though |
| 13:49 |
Christineb |
#action kmlussier to send jihpringle christineb MassLNC sandbox login details |
| 13:50 |
kmlussier |
Christineb++ |
| 13:50 |
Christineb |
#action jihpringle Christineb to test 3 acq bugs with pull requests https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iEWNjR3yhluIA5ViLZAj_QANEmaKlJ5L8JMubtO_mZc/edit#gid=1659472283 |
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| 13:52 |
dluch_ |
informal gathering/meeting at conference would be nice |
| 13:52 |
jihpringle |
there are already a few sessions for lunch and breakfast - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cgXALUY3pDP_Bt2TeRRm0IKekZOet0jPFLHEkOV2CpQ/edit#gid=1589049103 |
| 13:53 |
mllewellyn |
it would help if we could find a place with round tables. I sat near the end of the table last year and barely heard a word of the discussion. |
| 13:53 |
jihpringle |
I think that's a good idea |
| 13:54 |
dluch_ |
agreed |
| 13:54 |
jihpringle |
do we have anything in particular we'd like to look at in person? |
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| 13:55 |
dluch_ |
It doesn't look like any of the other lunch meetings actually have dates, except the EOB. Am I missing it somewhere? |
| 13:55 |
graced |
five minute warning for the EOB meeting... |
| 13:55 |
jihpringle |
I don't see any dates either and I couldn't find them on the actual schedule |
| 13:55 |
jihpringle |
Christine and I were thinking if we have the development list updated it would be good to review it in person and see what the top development priorities are now |
| 13:55 |
Christineb |
#action jihpringle to follow-up with conference coordinators to find a time for informal meeting - email to be sent to group via General list |
| 13:56 |
dluch_ |
Sounds good |
| 13:56 |
dluch_ |
jihpringle++ |
| 13:56 |
Christineb |
#action Christineb to add a section to AIG wiki page for potential topics for informal meeting |
| 13:56 |
dluch_ |
Christineb++ |
| 13:56 |
Christineb |
anything else real quick before we wrap up? |
| 13:56 |
Christineb |
AIG page here - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=acq:interest-group |
| 13:57 |
jihpringle |
if we follow with quarterly meetings the next irc meeting will be July |
| 13:57 |
Christineb |
#info next meeting will be at the 2016 Evergreen International Conference |
| 13:57 |
Christineb |
#info next IRC meeting date to be determined at 2016 EG conference |
| 13:58 |
Christineb |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 13:58:16 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-13.00.html |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-13.00.txt |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-13.00.log.html |
| 13:58 |
dluch_ |
Thanks, Christineb! |
| 13:59 |
graced |
Two minute warning for the EOB meeting |
| 13:59 |
mllewellyn |
thanks, Christineb! |
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Bmagic |
Christineb++ #Thanks |
| 14:00 |
graced |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, February 18, 2016 |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Feb 18 14:01:00 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__february_18__2016' |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#link Agenda http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-2-18 |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
graced |
EOB members, please introduce yourself with #info |
| 14:01 |
csharp |
#info csharp is Chris Sharp, GPLS |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
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| 14:01 |
tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS |
| 14:01 |
SHerbertBC |
#info SHerbertBC is Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BC Libraries Co-op |
| 14:01 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| 14:01 |
montgoc1 |
info montgoc1 is Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries |
| 14:02 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:02 |
Tanyap |
#info tanyap is Tanya Prokrym, NC Cardinal |
| 14:02 |
graced |
We have a quorum (Andrea and Yamil were going to be late). |
| 14:02 |
graced |
And we have a full agenda to get through, so let’s get started! |
| 14:02 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
| 14:02 |
graced |
I spoke too soon! |
| 14:02 |
* graced |
waves at abneiman |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, ESI, release manager and observer |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#topic Minutes/Actions from last meeting |
| 14:03 |
abneiman |
Maybe not, I may have to dive out at a moments notice :) |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-01-21-14.00.html |
| 14:03 |
graced |
Any amendments to the minutes from the last meeting? |
| 14:03 |
rfrasur |
Nope, not from me. |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
None |
| 14:03 |
graced |
Any objections to approving the minutes from the last meeting? |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
+1 to approving the minutes from the last meeting |
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* graced |
waits 60 seconds |
| 14:04 |
abneiman |
no on both counts |
| 14:04 |
graced |
seeing no onjections |
| 14:04 |
graced |
#agreed Minutes from the 1/21/14 EOB meeting are approved. |
| 14:04 |
graced |
*objections I should say |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
none |
| 14:04 |
graced |
Okay, there are a few pending actions from the last meeting. |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#info As I understand it, even though Chris has emailed several requests, we still haven’t heard back from the SFC on getting access to the financial reports |
| 14:05 |
graced |
csharp: anything new on this? |
| 14:06 |
afterl |
graced: Minor thing. You have wrong date on the minutes from 1/21/16 |
| 14:06 |
rfrasur |
Ah yeah...not 2014 |
| 14:06 |
graced |
afterl: thanks! Will update |
| 14:07 |
csharp |
graced: no news, no |
| 14:07 |
rfrasur |
afterl: that was just in IRC though, correct? It looks like the actual minutes are correct. Am I seeing that wrong? |
| 14:07 |
csharp |
graced: I'll ping Karen in IRC if I don't hear back by tomorrow |
| 14:07 |
afterl |
right |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
rfrasur: right on the date question |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
;) |
| 14:08 |
graced |
csharp: okay, thanks for your continued persistence |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
I also have a point of clarification about the financials at this point. Does anyone in the Evergreen have access to the ledger? |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
-the |
| 14:09 |
montgoc1 |
good question. |
| 14:09 |
csharp |
rfrasur: we're trying to get yboston and gmcharlt access |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
Right...but at this exact moment, no one has access? |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
is bshum the only one still? |
| 14:09 |
csharp |
tspindler: yes |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
okay |
| 14:09 |
csharp |
tspindler: or was - we told the SFC about the leadership change |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
oy vay |
| 14:10 |
csharp |
please don't fret - we'll get it fixed |
| 14:10 |
graced |
hopefully we'll hear something back from them this week. |
| 14:10 |
* rfrasur |
isn't fretting. |
| 14:10 |
graced |
It's a busy time for them with our conference |
| 14:10 |
graced |
any more questions/comments on that? |
| 14:11 |
graced |
moving on then |
| 14:11 |
graced |
I sent an email regarding the 10% conference budget approval interpretation |
| 14:11 |
rfrasur |
Not the moment :-) |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-February/001208.html |
| 14:11 |
graced |
The gist is that the interpretation is that “expense” is a major line item (GL Code). So, any 10% increase to a given GL code for the budget would need to be approved by the Board. Also, any 10% decreases to expected/projected overall revenue generation would need to be approved. |
| 14:11 |
graced |
Is there any further discussion on this interpretation? |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
makes sense to me |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
I agree with what you propose |
| 14:12 |
abneiman |
+1 to that interpretation |
| 14:12 |
montgoc1 |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
graced |
The next logical step is to make this more clear to the conference committees and to institute some more specificity into the infrastructure. csharp and I have been chatting about this and we feel it’s worth pursuing. |
| 14:12 |
graced |
Does anyone else have a hankering to assist in the process? |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
Yes, that would be helpful |
| 14:13 |
montgoc1 |
Sure. |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
Did I just accidentallly volunteer? |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
I believe there was discussion about coming up with a standard categories. I +1 the interpretation. With the standard categories, would it a possibility to refer to them as expense categories rather than expenses? |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
I can |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
I can assist with this project if that wasn't clear |
| 14:13 |
graced |
rfrasur: I'm waiting to hear back from the SFC as to their preferences |
| 14:14 |
rfrasur |
graced: of course |
| 14:14 |
graced |
I'm hoping to align the terminology |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
I can assist too, however I can help, I will. |
| 14:14 |
graced |
But, yes, expense categories makes sense |
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graced |
#action csharp, graced, montgoc1, tspindler, and afterl will continue pulling together information and guidelines to provide more structure to the conference process. |
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| 14:15 |
graced |
thanks, volunteers! |
| 14:15 |
csharp |
graced: you suggested a shared Google doc - does that work for everyone as a starting place? |
| 14:15 |
tspindler |
yes |
| 14:15 |
montgoc1 |
Yes |
| 14:15 |
afterl |
Yes |
| 14:15 |
csharp |
ok cool |
| 14:16 |
graced |
moving on |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#info Conference refund policy |
| 14:16 |
graced |
I have requested and received information on this from previous conferences but haven’t had a chance to pull it together. I would like to defer this item to an email discussion. Any objections? |
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| 14:16 |
afterl |
Not from me |
| 14:16 |
tspindler |
agreed |
| 14:16 |
rfrasur |
Sounds good to me. |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#action graced will send a summary of the conference refund policy info to the EOB list prior to the next meeting |
| 14:17 |
graced |
Okay. Any other action items or old business? |
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| 14:17 |
graced |
#topic New Business |
| 14:18 |
graced |
I think we can skip the Financial Report since we covered everything we can say about it at this point. Unless yboston has something to add? |
| 14:18 |
graced |
yboston: we already discussed the fact that we don't yet have access... |
| 14:18 |
yboston_ |
I don't have anything to add, and I will be jumping in and out |
| 14:19 |
graced |
okay |
| 14:19 |
graced |
#topic 2.10 Release Manager’s Report |
| 14:19 |
yboston_ |
my presentation was pushed back, I am stuck on using a tablet |
| 14:19 |
graced |
gmcharlt: you have the floor |
| 14:19 |
gmcharlt |
#info Feature slush for release 2.10 is tomorrow, 19 February 2016 |
| 14:20 |
gmcharlt |
#info feature freeze is on the 26th, after which I'll publish a list of expected new features for the 2.10 release |
| 14:20 |
graced |
ah, you anticipated my question! |
| 14:21 |
gmcharlt |
#info at this point, final release is still expected on 17 March as scheduled |
| 14:21 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 |
graced |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 |
tspindler |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 |
montgoc1 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 |
afterl |
gmcharlt+ |
| 14:21 |
graced |
anything else gmcharlt? |
| 14:21 |
SHerbertBC |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 |
afterl |
gmcharlt+++ |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
graced: no, I'm done |
| 14:22 |
graced |
thanks! |
| 14:22 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:22 |
graced |
#topic Evergreen Conference |
| 14:22 |
graced |
Does anyone have questions for tanyap? |
| 14:22 |
SHerbertBC |
graced: agenda mentions update on v 3.0; was that actually referring to 2.10? |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
yep |
| 14:22 |
graced |
SHerbertBC: yes |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
copy and paste is not my friend |
| 14:23 |
graced |
what he said ^^ |
| 14:23 |
SHerbertBC |
thx, was getting all excited |
| 14:23 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:23 |
graced |
Okay, if there are no questions for tanyap, perhaps she can give a quick update? |
| 14:24 |
Tanyap |
today's update is that difference between estimated and actual receivables is down to $5675. |
| 14:24 |
graced |
that's good news! |
| 14:24 |
abneiman |
gotta jump off, may be back |
| 14:24 |
graced |
Tanyap: how many registrations do you currently have? |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
we have between 14 and 15 registrations from GPLS coming soon, FYI :-) |
| 14:25 |
Tanyap |
we have 158 paid attendees and 19 non-paying (vendors/exhibitors); headcount = 177 |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
The Evergreen Indiana consortium just approved scholarships for up to 4 individuals not including ISL attendees, so there will be a few more there as well. |
| 14:25 |
Tanyap |
csharp: yeah! we should meet our difference gap then. |
| 14:25 |
graced |
That's a good amount for 60 days out, believe it or not |
| 14:25 |
* csharp |
agrees with graced |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
Yes, I agree |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
yep yep |
| 14:26 |
afterl |
Nice work! |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
Tanyap++ |
| 14:26 |
SHerbertBC |
tanyap++ |
| 14:26 |
JBoyer |
rfrasur: That they not work here wasn't a stipulation that I recall, just that Anna and I aren't applying. (sry to butt in, everyone) |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
tanyap++ #great job :D |
| 14:27 |
montgoc1 |
Tanyap++ |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
jboyer: right |
| 14:27 |
JBoyer |
Good. Because someone that works here is applying. :D |
| 14:27 |
graced |
Tanyap: Anything we can do for you / answer for you today? |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
;), good |
| 14:27 |
Tanyap |
i don't think so. i'm talking pretty regularly with tony, grace, and chris as it begins to get close. |
| 14:28 |
graced |
Okay, thanks for the update! |
| 14:28 |
graced |
Tanyap++ |
| 14:28 |
graced |
#topic Outreach Committee Report |
| 14:28 |
graced |
kmlussier: you have the floor |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
Sorry, you caught me by surprise |
| 14:28 |
graced |
sorry ;) |
| 14:29 |
kmlussier |
I sent along a long-overdue update on how things went at the last ALA conference. |
| 14:29 |
kmlussier |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-February/001225.html |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
Although we think the booth went well, I don't think the fundraising could justify doing another booth at this time. However, we still think it's important for Evergreen to have a presence at our large, national conferences. |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
kmlussier: what would be the cost, i forgot what it was |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
One way we could do so is by using some meeting room space to organize an Evergreen meeting for both Evergreen users and for those interested in Evergreen. |
| 14:31 |
kmlussier |
The cost is $120 for non-profit organizations. |
| 14:31 |
kmlussier |
Which is a lot less than a booth. |
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| 14:31 |
graced |
Also, I think it's better exposure in a way. |
| 14:31 |
tspindler |
I think a room would be a great way. How soon do we ahve to reserve? |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
Are there any drawbacks to a meeting? |
| 14:31 |
graced |
Things competing in the same timeslot.. |
| 14:32 |
* rfrasur |
shrugs |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
But there are booths competing in the same exhibit hall, too. |
| 14:32 |
graced |
yup |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
tspindler: The deadline is in a couple of months (I'm looking it up.) |
| 14:32 |
graced |
And with the room you get easy to find entries in the scheduler |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
But, last year, they closed off submissions for meeting space at one point. |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
From my perspective, the meeting room alternative seems better all the way around. |
| 14:33 |
graced |
agreed |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
I don't want to risk having it close off again. |
| 14:33 |
tspindler |
I like the idea of a room and agree we just need to be mindful of what else would be in the same time slot |
| 14:33 |
rfrasur |
good point, tspindler |
| 14:33 |
afterl |
I will bring the Evergreen pens |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
We did organize an improptu meeting for Midwinter that was very lightly attended. But we didn't do much advanced planning, it wasn't in the scheduler, and it was hosted off-site. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
tspindler: Unfortunately, I don't think we have much control over time slots. |
| 14:34 |
graced |
+1 to advance planning though |
| 14:34 |
afterl |
We did this several years ago and it was well attended |
| 14:34 |
tspindler |
kmlussier: do we ask for a room and ALA gives us a random slot or do we ahve some influence? |
| 14:35 |
graced |
you're at the mercy of ALA, I believe. |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
It looks like we can request a meeting time. |
| 14:35 |
* graced |
is shocked |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
But we won't necessarily know when other similar meetings are taking place. |
| 14:35 |
tspindler |
kmlussier: but I assume we don't necessarily know what else may be happening |
| 14:35 |
afterl |
Right |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
graced: I said 'request.' I didn't say it would necessarily be granted. |
| 14:36 |
graced |
TBH, there aren't a ton of similar meetings |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
Well, kmlussier, what do you need from us? |
| 14:36 |
graced |
kmlussier: fair point |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
in any case, I think it is a good idea |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Approval to expend the funds. |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
k |
| 14:36 |
graced |
Anyone want to make a motion? |
| 14:36 |
csharp |
I make a motion that we do so |
| 14:36 |
* rfrasur |
seconds |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
second |
| 14:37 |
csharp |
that is that we approve fund expenditure for an ALA meeting |
| 14:37 |
graced |
Any discussion before we vote? |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
I'd just say thanks for finding a good alternative to the booth. |
| 14:37 |
afterl |
Question |
| 14:37 |
afterl |
Who is going to ALA? |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
I am |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
I am |
| 14:38 |
graced |
I am |
| 14:38 |
afterl |
I am |
| 14:38 |
yboston_ |
I am not |
| 14:38 |
* rfrasur |
isn't |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
Jeanette from C/WMARS also |
| 14:38 |
afterl |
Good |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
I've also heard that there are a few people from PINES who are going and willing to help out. |
| 14:38 |
graced |
gmcharlt is ;) |
| 14:38 |
Tanyap |
i'm going. |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
indeed I am :) |
| 14:38 |
* csharp |
is not one of the PINES folks going ;-) |
| 14:39 |
graced |
So, we have plently of folks to handle a variety of discussions at the meeting. |
| 14:39 |
graced |
afterl: good? |
| 14:39 |
afterl |
Yes, good! |
| 14:39 |
afterl |
And I have the pens! |
| 14:39 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board approve an expenditure of $120 for a meeting room at the ALA 2016 Annual Conference in Orlando to be used for outreach purposes? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:39 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board approve an expenditure of $120 for a meeting room at the ALA 2016 Annual Conference in Orlando to be used for outreach purposes? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:39 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
afterl++ |
| 14:40 |
SHerbertBC |
#vote yes |
| 14:40 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
#vote Yes |
| 14:40 |
yboston_ |
#vote yes |
| 14:40 |
afterl |
#vote yes |
| 14:40 |
montgoc1 |
#vote Yes |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
#vote yes |
| 14:40 |
csharp |
#vote yes |
| 14:41 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:41 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board approve an expenditure of $120 for a meeting room at the ALA 2016 Annual Conference in Orlando to be used for outreach purposes?" Results are |
| 14:41 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (8): tspindler, afterl, rfrasur, graced, montgoc1, yboston_, csharp, SHerbertBC |
| 14:41 |
csharp |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
Thanks everyone! |
| 14:41 |
afterl |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
montgoc1 |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
graced |
moving on |
| 14:41 |
graced |
#topic Site Selection for the 2017 conference |
| 14:41 |
graced |
#info The 2017 Site Selection Committee “met” via email and refined the wording for the 2017 Evergreen Conference selection email. The email was sent to the Evergreen General list on February 5th |
| 14:41 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:41 |
graced |
#link http://georgialibraries.markmail.org/thread/pi6y4qpxm4x7wf7g |
| 14:42 |
graced |
Questions about site selection? |
| 14:42 |
graced |
No, we haven't gotten any proposals yet... |
| 14:42 |
tspindler |
Has there been any standard criteria for judging locations? |
| 14:42 |
graced |
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=eg09:conference_nominations |
| 14:43 |
graced |
Those are the judging criteria |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
What happens if there are no nominations? |
| 14:43 |
graced |
we beg |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
lol |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
I know that the midwest group will be submitting a proposal again. |
| 14:43 |
graced |
huzzah! |
| 14:43 |
montgoc1 |
Yes. |
| 14:43 |
graced |
I was hoping they would |
| 14:43 |
afterl |
Very nice! |
| 14:43 |
csharp |
cool |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
rfrasur++ |
| 14:44 |
graced |
any further questions? |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
But, I'm not heading it...just participating. I believe the Joe Knueven is herding the cats. |
| 14:44 |
graced |
moving on then |
| 14:44 |
graced |
#topic EOB elections |
| 14:44 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-February/001222.html |
| 14:45 |
graced |
There was a lot of info in that email and not all of it needs to be decided at this point. The core of the new member election process stays the same. Any thoughts on (or objections to) putting out the call for nominations on March 4th? |
| 14:45 |
afterl |
No objections from me |
| 14:46 |
tspindler |
The earlier the better |
| 14:46 |
yboston_ |
none from me |
| 14:46 |
montgoc1 |
Agreed |
| 14:46 |
csharp |
fine here |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
I think it's great |
| 14:46 |
graced |
#agreed The call for EOB nominations will go out March 4, 2016 |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
w00t! |
| 14:47 |
graced |
Do we want to discuss the rest of the email now or ruminate further and discuss via email? |
| 14:47 |
tspindler |
graced: are you refering to selecting officers? |
| 14:47 |
graced |
tspindler: yes, and announcing the new EOB members prior to the conference |
| 14:48 |
graced |
*I* think it warrants more discussion... |
| 14:48 |
tspindler |
If I read the timeline correctly, the election is done before the conference? |
| 14:48 |
rfrasur |
Email discussion or now? |
| 14:48 |
tspindler |
I think it might be good to discuss some now |
| 14:49 |
graced |
rfrasur: either or |
| 14:49 |
afterl |
I'm up for it now |
| 14:49 |
montgoc1 |
Now is fine. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
tspindler, that was my understanding. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
About the election being before the conference. |
| 14:49 |
afterl |
So what's the potential downside of doing the election before? |
| 14:49 |
graced |
tspindler: if we could get the elections done prior to the conference we could do officer elections prior to the conference which would (hopefully) allow us to discuss more weighty topics at the conference meeting? |
| 14:50 |
yboston_ |
+1 |
| 14:50 |
tspindler |
graced: thanks and I think it is a good idea to get this all done before the conference |
| 14:50 |
tspindler |
that is, have the election and officers selected |
| 14:50 |
rfrasur |
afterl: the only downside I could think of would be that there might be some attendees to the conference who aren't on listservs and might not even know about the elections. |
| 14:51 |
montgoc1 |
Since the board only meets face to face once a year, it would be nice to use the time for bigger topics. |
| 14:51 |
csharp |
so if we do elections beforehand, would those of us rolling off the committee still be a part of the meeting at the conference? |
| 14:51 |
graced |
The bylaws are clear that turnover doesn't happen until after the conference is over |
| 14:51 |
tspindler |
csharp: i think they should be to transition new people |
| 14:51 |
csharp |
graced: ah - okay |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
csharp, I believe the terms would still extend until the end of the in face meeting |
| 14:51 |
graced |
You keep your seat until the end of the conference. |
| 14:51 |
csharp |
got it |
| 14:51 |
afterl |
Allows for a smooth transition |
| 14:52 |
graced |
So, while we ask new members to attend the meeting they are non voting ... if I recall correctly |
| 14:52 |
* rfrasur |
was almost right but not right. |
| 14:52 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, that's right, graced |
| 14:53 |
graced |
Okay, well if we're all in agreement we have to write up some new language to vote on |
| 14:53 |
graced |
Which I didn't do |
| 14:53 |
graced |
So, I'll send a proposal for new language and send it via email |
| 14:53 |
rfrasur |
and then email vote? |
| 14:53 |
tspindler |
graced++ |
| 14:53 |
afterl |
graced++ |
| 14:53 |
montgoc1 |
graced++ |
| 14:54 |
SHerbertBC |
graced++ |
| 14:54 |
graced |
#action graced to propose new language for EOB election process |
| 14:54 |
graced |
speaking of the election process itself... Can I get a few volunteers to help with the election process? |
| 14:54 |
afterl |
Sure, I'll help |
| 14:54 |
SHerbertBC |
graced: happy to |
| 14:54 |
* rfrasur |
will help with that. Tell me what to do |
| 14:54 |
graced |
okay, fabulous |
| 14:55 |
graced |
#info rfrasur, afterl, and SHerbertBC volunteered to assist with the election process |
| 14:55 |
graced |
I'll send an email to y'all tomorrow. |
| 14:56 |
afterl |
Okay, great! |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
awesome |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
! |
| 14:56 |
graced |
it's almost as easy as the site selection committee |
| 14:56 |
afterl |
Sweet! |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
uh.... |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
I've got not context. Rock on. |
| 14:56 |
graced |
We’re running a little short on time… |
| 14:56 |
graced |
But we should quickly touch base on Outreachy |
| 14:56 |
graced |
#topic Outreachy participation |
| 14:57 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-February/001209.html |
| 14:57 |
graced |
With the date for Outreachy so close (deadline in 4 weeks), should we decline this round? |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
Yes |
| 14:57 |
graced |
I was hoping yboston_ would be available for this part... |
| 14:58 |
graced |
I know he had some thoughts about DIG |
| 14:58 |
* rfrasur |
agrees. |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
Question from the audience? |
| 14:58 |
yboston_ |
I am here, but will be ask to start a presentation ay moment from now :( |
| 14:58 |
yboston_ |
*asked |
| 14:58 |
graced |
yboston_: Should we pick this up via email then? |
| 14:58 |
yboston_ |
sure |
| 14:59 |
graced |
sounds good |
| 14:59 |
kmlussier |
Do we know what the cost is to participate in Outreachy this year? |
| 14:59 |
rfrasur |
While we wait, hopefully, I will say that while I'm a "yes" right now, if at all possible at the conference, or via email, I think we should start hashing this out so that next round, we can participate. |
| 14:59 |
graced |
kmlussier: I don't think that was in the email... |
| 14:59 |
graced |
But we should ask. |
| 15:00 |
graced |
Thanks! |
| 15:00 |
graced |
csharp: can you find that out? |
| 15:00 |
kmlussier |
Actually, I just found it. |
| 15:00 |
kmlussier |
$6,500 |
| 15:00 |
graced |
well... never mind. |
| 15:00 |
kmlussier |
https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/InfoForOrgs |
| 15:00 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:00 |
yboston_ |
wow |
| 15:00 |
graced |
ouch |
| 15:00 |
csharp |
65https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/InfoForOrgs#Action |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
oops |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
kmlussier beat me (and I have some extra characters |
| 15:01 |
graced |
Okay, armed with that info, we'll ove that discussion to the email list. |
| 15:01 |
graced |
*move |
| 15:01 |
graced |
It's probably a "no" for this round but we will discuss. |
| 15:01 |
afterl |
Okay |
| 15:02 |
graced |
#action discuss Outreachy participation in more detail via email. |
| 15:02 |
graced |
Oh, I almost forgot. |
| 15:02 |
graced |
#info The conference EOB meeting is scheduled for lunch on Thursday 4/21 12:30-1:15 ET |
| 15:02 |
graced |
If you can't attend in person, please let me know ad we'll see how we can loop you in via technology. |
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| 15:03 |
graced |
if there's no other new business...? |
| 15:03 |
rfrasur |
not from this particular corner of the heartland. |
| 15:03 |
tspindler |
none here |
| 15:03 |
* graced |
can't believe we made it through that beast of an agenda |
| 15:04 |
afterl |
graced++ |
| 15:04 |
graced |
Okay then, thanks everyone! |
| 15:04 |
csharp |
graced++ # wranglin' |
| 15:04 |
SHerbertBC |
graced++ |
| 15:04 |
montgoc1 |
graced++ |
| 15:04 |
graced |
#endmeeting |
| 15:04 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 15:04:15 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:04 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-14.01.html |
| 15:04 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-14.01.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-14.01.log.html |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
graced++ |
| 15:04 |
graced |
y'all++ |
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kmlussier |
graced++ |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
that was impressive |
| 15:04 |
graced |
it's an impressive group |
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abneiman |
aw man, looks like I just missed the end. Can't believe you all blew through all of that in an hour! graced++ meeting-running skillz |
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graced |
abneiman: thanks! sorry you missed the end. We gave out gin and tonics... |
| 15:08 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, sure, as soon as I step off the Board, gin appears |
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graced |
afterl brought it |
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abneiman |
no surprise there afterl |
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abneiman |
kmlussier: w/r/t the Outreach Committee -- this is something I kept meaning to mention and then kept forgetting. But I was at the Association of Rural and Small Libraries (ARSL) conference this past year, and there was zero ILS representation. Just a thought, and their booth space is likely cheaper than ALA. This year's will be in Fargo ND. I know a few other Evergreenies went last year. |
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kmlussier |
abneiman: Thanks! That's a good thought. When is the conference? |
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kmlussier |
I think it would be good to do a survey of the community to see which large conferences people attend on a regular basis. If there are a handful that go to a particular conference, maybe there's something they could do to promote Evergreen there. |
| 15:19 |
kmlussier |
Maybe we can put together some kind of conference packet for folks. And afterl could send pens! |
| 15:19 |
abneiman |
kmlussier: Oct 27-29 2016 |
| 15:24 |
abneiman |
and if I go this year I'll totally do some booth time |
| 15:25 |
kmlussier |
abneiman++ |
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jwoodard |
@decide BDO CBT2 or sleep |
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pinesol_green |
jwoodard: go with sleep |
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jwoodard |
pinesol_green: we are at odds |
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pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Must be because I had the flu for Christmas. |
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pinesol_green |
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Dyrcona |
pinesol_green: Did you almost cut your hair? |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Sorry, that command is only available to Evergreen Premium™ Subscribers. Please upgrade your subscription ASAP! |
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kmlussier |
Bmagic: Are you still working on bug 1461650? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1461650 in Evergreen "Metarecord search does not honor search filters" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461650 - Assigned to Blake GH (blake-j) |
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Bmagic |
kmlussier - yes and no, I've had to put it on the back burner for awhile |
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Bmagic |
kmlussier: if someone else is wanting to take it for a ride, go for it |
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kmlussier |
Bmagic: Not yet, but maybe later. I'll let you know. |
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Bmagic |
I had some code that you tested on the last bug sqaushing day |
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Bmagic |
kmlussier: that addressed another bug, but they are related, in fact might be the same |
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Bmagic |
or at least the same code would solve both |
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kmlussier |
Bmagic: Really? I thought they were different issues. |
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Bmagic |
it had to do with electronic bibs |
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Bmagic |
looking for it now |
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kmlussier |
Located URIs, right? This one was for any kind of format limiting. |
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Bmagic |
my commit was b71fb7b514b1601f9336254439cbe95316b2c66a |
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Bmagic |
bug 1403907 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1403907 in Evergreen "E-resources not included in ver 2.7.1 Group formats and editions search" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1403907 |
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Bmagic |
The search code for non-metabibs does tons of stuff. That code is not executed when the search is grouped. Basically, it needs to be executed - and I believe both of these bugs would be solved |
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csharp |
@praise pinesol_green |
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* pinesol_green |
itself is the hardest working person in #evergreen. |
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kmlussier |
pinesol_green: You're not a person |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: I see nothing, I know nothing! |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) |
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Dyrcona |
Ah well, catch you all tomorrow. |
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Calling 0955 |
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[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1486151 Stamping upgrade script for password reset regex description - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=51c58f5> |
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pinesol_green: welcome back! |
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@list git shortlist |
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bshum: well, that's what you get for not being a shell script |
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