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08:21 kmlussier Bmagic: Stat cat would have found it. The problem is that LP doesn't search Fixed Released bugs by default. You have to go to advanced search to include those in your search.
08:21 jeff the bott cloning project appears to have been successful (for values of success where true == 0.9972)
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08:37 pgardella Anyone familiar with the reporter:template_folder schema and how they are shown to users?  We've got a bunch of templates that don't show up in the client.
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08:44 jeff pgardella: templates are typically either per-user or shared. in the case of per-user, they'll only appear for that user. in the case of shared, they'll appear (in a different place -- under Shared, I think) only to those locations they have been shared with.
08:44 jeff pgardella: can you give more specifics about one of the templates that isn't appearing where you'd expect?
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08:45 jeff pgardella: oh, and if you're looking at reporter.template_folder you'll probably also want/need to look at reporter.template.
08:47 pgardella jeff: I'm looking at them now.  I think that the templates are all still there, they've just been shared under different owners. They would be the Acquisitions reports that come from the equinox.git repo.
08:48 pgardella jeff: So at this point, I need to go back to the catalogers to find out which one they are missing and find it.
08:50 jboyer-isl pgardella: If they used to have access to shared reports and now can't see them, it may be a sharing bug. Try the queries under the List Reporter Folders with Bad Sharing Depths on this page: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=scratchpad:random_magic_spells
08:53 pgardella jboyer-isl: All three of those queries return no results. I think that's good :)
08:53 jeff yep, zero results for those is good.
08:53 jeff jboyer-isl++ i'd forgotten about that issue
08:53 pgardella jboyer-isl++
08:53 pgardella jeff++
08:53 jboyer-isl Definitely. Now the simple fix is "is shared actually set to true" everywhere it needs to be? Hopefully that will be a simple fix.
08:57 pgardella jboyer-isl: I think the issue is that the report templates are now owned by other users, which are not parent/child of one of the others.  Most of the parents are null in template_folder
08:58 pgardella All the folders except a few testing ones are shared, the templates just aren't where people expect them to be.
08:58 jboyer-isl That's fine if they're not sub-folders. ("Templates", "Reports", and "Outputs" don't count as parent folders, even though that's how they're displayed.)
09:00 * tsbere usually avoids sub-folders for a number of reasons
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09:38 Dyrcona So, why would the jedi column in acq,edi_message not match the results of running edi_reader.pl on the data from the edi column of the same acq.edi_message row?
09:39 Dyrcona In my case, I have an INVOIC where the id of the lineitems in the jedi is the same for each lineitem: 16026.
09:40 Dyrcona However, when I run the edi through edi_reader the output dump shows the id changing for each lineitem, and they're in the 33000 ball park.
09:42 Dyrcona And, it only seems to happen with one library and one particular vendor.
09:42 Dyrcona Other libraries don't have this problem with that or any other vendor.
09:45 jeff knowing little-to-nothing about acq, if your config is similar i'd next look into something in the files themselves that is changing the behavior, either by bug or design (but not intention)
09:45 jeff sorry, that's not very helpful. hopefully others have more for you.
09:46 jeff oh, having just re-read... nevermind.
09:47 Dyrcona Looks like I
09:48 Dyrcona will have to try deleting the messages, etc., and try to inject them again to see what happens this time.
09:48 kmlussier Dyrcona: Is it happening with every invoice between this library and this vendor?
09:48 Dyrcona kmlussier: It looks like it is.
09:49 Dyrcona I've only been looking at one in particular, but none of their other invoices process properly.
09:49 * Dyrcona looks up the messages on PO 1395, it has multiple invoices.
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09:59 Dyrcona Messages on the other purchase order look even stranger.
10:00 Dyrcona I'm also comparing a Perl dump to JSON, so matching up the lineitems from one to the other is a bit annoying.
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10:01 miker Dyrcona: is this vendor colloquially called by its initials joined by an ampersand?
10:02 Dyrcona miker: No, it isn't. They don't seem to have a problem with that vendor.
10:03 miker well, there's a first for everything, I guess ;)
10:03 * miker runs to meeting #1
10:03 kmlussier Yeah, it's a vendor we usually have no trouble with.
10:03 * kmlussier takes a closer look
10:04 Dyrcona kmlussier: I'll put the data files I'm looking at on my dev system for you.
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10:17 jeff fun. apparently today is the day to gc every one of my remotes.
10:17 jeff i suppose that might be a working copy setting and not maintained per-remote.
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10:46 pgardella I'm back looking at the template_folders again.  It looks like no folders that are owned by egadmin are displayed in the client (even when logged in as egadmin).
10:50 jeff given that you know the owning user's numeric user id, this query may help: SELECT id, parent, name, shared, share_with FROM reporter.template_folder WHERE owner = 123 AND shared = TRUE;
10:50 jeff (replacing 123 with the numeric user id in question)
10:52 pgardella jeff: all the subfolders show as expected
10:54 tsbere pgardella: I will point out that as far as I know folders shared by a user do not show up in the shared section when logged in as them. Ever.
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10:56 pgardella tsbere: Oh, OK.  So when I log in as myself, I can see egadmin, but nothing shared by egadmin, only something shared by one of the other users
10:58 tsbere pgardella: I dunno what is *wrong*, just that if you log in as yourself you don't see your own folders as "shared" folders, to my knowledge.
10:58 pgardella tsbere: OK.
10:58 tsbere pgardella: If logging in as egadmin causes the folders to not show up in the *upper* area for the current user's folders then I believe you have bigger concerns.
10:59 gsams tsbere: that's right, your own reports only every show up under the My Folders section
10:59 gsams whether shared or not
10:59 pgardella tsbere: They don't show up in the "my folders" section either.
11:00 tsbere pgardella: Then I suspect the folders themselves have something wrong beyond sharing issues.
11:00 tsbere Maybe a bad character in one of the names?
11:00 tsbere (that isn't playing nice with the interface for some reason)
11:03 pgardella tsbere: Ah.  Someone changed the owner of folder #1
11:03 pgardella tsbere++
11:04 tsbere pgardella: Yea, mixed ownership of parent vs sub folders will cause issues.
11:04 gsams hehe, I had that happen to me just a few months ago.
11:05 tsbere Tis one of the reasons I only change ownership of my own folders. Otherwise I only change the ownership and folder of the contents of the folders, leaving the original folder owner alone.
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11:06 gsams tsbere: I try to avoid it altogether, sometimes others like to throw me a curve ball without realizing it.
11:17 kmlussier A follow-up question on Dyrcona's acq problems. Would it cause problems if there is a space in the name of the PO?
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11:19 berick kmlussier: in the invoice?
11:20 kmlussier I see 'RFF+LI:16026 AdultFic/32067' being translated as "id":"16026" when the id should be 32067
11:22 berick kmlussier: that might be a problem
11:22 kmlussier berick: Yeah, I'm looking at POs from other libraries, and they don't seem to put spaces in their PO names.
11:23 kmlussier It doesn't explain why the lineitems from POs with no spaces in the name are not loading at all, but it's something.
11:23 berick looks like EDIReader.pm assumes (optional) PO names have no spaces.
11:24 berick id      => qr/^RFF\+LI:(?:\S+\/)?(\d+)/,
11:24 kmlussier berick: Ah! Thanks for confirming that for me.
11:24 berick i think you could change it to:
11:24 berick id      => qr/^RFF\+LI:(?:[^\/]+\/)?(\d+)/,
11:25 kmlussier Dyrcona ^ ^
11:25 Dyrcona Yep, I was just reading it.
11:26 Dyrcona Should we launchpad that?
11:29 kmlussier Dyrcona: Yes, I think so.
11:29 berick yeah
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11:29 kmlussier Either it should accommodate the spaces or it should stop people from entering them. Since it looks fairly easy to accommodate the spaces, I would go with that.
11:31 Dyrcona OK. I'll give berick's suggestion a try on my dev system after lunch.
11:32 Dyrcona Then, I'll LP it.
11:34 kmlussier berick++ Dyrcona++
11:34 Dyrcona kmlussier++ berick++
11:50 * berick has been wanting to do this for a long time: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/​Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=c61ccec62a
11:51 berick huh, thought that would wake up pinesol
11:51 berick anyway, porting user update to cstore
11:57 jboyer-isl berick, so close: Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
11:58 berick jboyer-isl: doh!  might call for a rebase
11:58 jboyer-isl srsly though, berick++ for moving things out of .storage.
12:00 dbwells berick++ indeed
12:05 jeff berick++
12:05 miker berick: I think you removed the one and only use of the *.remote_update api that was intended for low-overhead object modification ...
12:05 jeff berick: should verify_last_xact remain outside the transaction, or does it still retain visibility outside the transaction after this change?
12:06 berick miker: ah, not surprised
12:06 berick that's the only use of it I recall
12:07 berick jeff: hm, no, it's checking the value before the patron is modified
12:07 berick so should be fine within the transaction
12:07 jeff (put another way, does it retain the ability after this change to notice when the xact has been changed outside the transaction, or is that a racy-enough condition that we can't care, compared to the usual "has changed since fetched/displayed for editing" use case?
12:07 jeff yeah, i think i got there. :-)
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12:09 miker berick: we could remove about 2600 generated methods in the storage namespace ... and put storage on a nice diet. see lines ~721 and ~732 in OpenILS/Application/Storage/Publisher.pm
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12:10 berick miker++
12:10 berick that would be great.  i can look at that unless yr already in there
12:12 berick looks like we can also remove sub remote_update (duh) and sub remote_update_node
12:12 miker I'm not
12:12 berick k
12:13 miker berick: you mean in CDBI?
12:13 berick yeah
12:13 miker that's a different thing
12:14 miker I mean, probably, but that's at a different layer ... a deeper, darker layer ;)
12:14 berick heh, i'll leave it alone
12:23 berick miker: seeing 1.12MB ram saving per storage drone, similar on the listener.
12:24 * berick pushes to same branch
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12:29 * miker is unsurprised :)
12:29 miker I'm sure there's a few thousand more we could trim
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12:35 mmorgan @weather 01923
12:35 pinesol_green mmorgan: Danvers, MA :: Clear :: 40F/4C | Wind Chill: 33F/1C | Tuesday: Lots of sunshine. High 43F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday Night: Clear skies. Low 27F. Winds light and variable. | Updated: 42m ago
12:36 * mmorgan supposes it could be worse when there's a fire alarm.
12:37 mmorgan At least the sun was warm :)
12:44 * kmlussier is glad she was working at NOBLE yesterday and not today.
12:45 mmorgan Luckily it didn't last long. Not sure what the issue was, though.
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13:23 kmlussier yboston: Where did we leave things off with an academic interest group meeting for this month? Was a date ever set?
13:24 yboston no, I was not able to set a date for November
13:24 yboston I need to send out an email to try to plan a December date
13:24 yboston ASAP
13:25 kmlussier yboston: OK, thanks. I couldn't remember where we had left it.
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13:30 krvmga yboston: i'm starting pilot projects with my academics on designing their own versions of the public catalog
13:30 yboston krvmga: cool
13:31 krvmga we (central site staff and the academics) met about this at the end of last month
13:31 krvmga mass. college of liberal arts is going first
13:31 krvmga probably to be followed immediately by mt. wachusett cc
13:31 krvmga i'll have more details on monday, nov. 30
13:33 krvmga on another note: in my system, a title search for mickey & me does not return the same results as mickey and me unless i add an alternate title. is the system supposed to know "and" and "&" are the same word? or am i just doing something wrong?
13:34 kmlussier I haven't checked, but it wouldn't think the system would know that. The only way I know that the system searches for word variations is through stemming.
13:34 kmlussier /s/it wouldn't think/I wouldn't think
13:34 * krvmga is still buzzing because he got to meet nichelle nicoles (uhura) over the weekend at a fan convention.
13:34 krvmga nicoles -> nichols
13:35 krvmga fumble fingers
13:39 jeff this remains handy: \copy (SELECT ...) TO file.csv WITH CSV HEADER
13:39 jeff (as a psql command for quickly outputting a query to a csv file)
13:41 Dyrcona And you can do it on the client machine without the \, and you can replace the filename with stdout. ;)
13:42 * jeff lods
13:42 Dyrcona jeff++
13:42 * jeff nods
13:42 Dyrcona I use it quite a bit, myself.
13:43 jeff you can also \copy temp_staging FROM pstdin WITH CSV HEADER
13:44 * csharp dives back into his "acq vandelay no longer creates copies" issue :-/
13:44 jeff which can be handy for something where you are using a psql variable like :somevar
13:44 csharp I was hoping that upgrading the acq test server to 2.9.0 would Just Fix™ it
13:45 jeff then you call psql -v somevar=3 -f script.sql dbname < $CSV_FILE
13:46 csharp so hmm... what is supposed to happen if subfields are defined for a vendor/provider but not used in the file being uploaded?
13:47 csharp $u barcode and $j call number are set up but they are not in the file being imported
13:47 csharp "set up" = defined in Acquisitions -> Providers -> Holding Subfield
13:51 kmlussier csharp: For barcode and call number, the system would automatically generate a call number and barcode. I think it happens at the time the real copies are created.
13:52 kmlussier That could happen when the order is activated. Or, if the user selects the option to create copies at the time of upload, it would happen at that time.
13:52 csharp kmlussier: do you happen to know offhand where the process that generates copies is?
13:52 kmlussier csharp: No, sorry.
13:52 csharp in this case, we are trying to generate copies as we upload the file
13:53 csharp so that makes me wonder what happens if EG acq is expecting to get barcode and call number from the file and doesn't
13:53 * csharp puts on hazmat suit to dive deep into the code
13:53 kmlussier csharp: I just want to clarify something that can be confusing (apologies if you already know this). The problem you were working through last week is that acq wasn't creating acq copies.
13:54 csharp yeah, this is the same issue
13:54 kmlussier That happens even if you don't check off that option to create copies at the time of upload.
13:54 csharp right - I've got that part
13:54 kmlussier That option controls whether live copies are created in the catalog.
13:54 csharp oh
13:54 csharp that's right - well by "copies" I mean "lineitem details"
13:55 kmlussier csharp: OK, in that case, I wouldn't check off that option, just to remove one other factor when troubleshooting the issue.
13:55 csharp but asset.copy rows aren't getting created either
13:55 kmlussier csharp: When you last left us, you had discovered that the subfield mapping for the provider wasn't correct, right? Are they mapped correctly now?
13:56 kmlussier csharp: Sorry if I'm asking the obvious. It's habit. :)
13:56 csharp yeah, turns out I was uploading them as the wrong OU
13:56 csharp no problem
13:56 csharp I'm still convinced that this is something front-end staff changed somewhere that broke this
13:57 kmlussier csharp: Yeah, that's why I keep looking at the mapping of the subfields. It's something that can easily get changed, and I know sometimes people don't make the connection that the subfields need to be changed on both sides at the same time.
13:57 csharp but I have to learn the process start to finish before I can know that for sure, which is why I...
13:57 csharp @hate acq way more than before
13:57 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates acq way more than before.
13:58 csharp well, they don't match in that barcode and call number are defined as holdings subfields but are not present in the uploaded file
13:58 csharp but everything else lines up
13:58 kmlussier csharp: I will confirm that mapping call number and barcode and then not including them in the upload shouldn't be a problem. I do it all the time in testing.
13:58 csharp okay good
13:59 csharp I *think* what I'm looking for is in the DB
13:59 kmlussier csharp: They have values for quantity and owning library?
13:59 csharp yes, they have that
13:59 csharp 962    $b WGRL-MR $c On Order $g dvd $p 34.99 $q 1
14:00 kmlussier Hmmm...I dunno. Another common problem is that the fund codes don't line up, but I don't think it would prevent the copy from generating. It just wouldn't have the fund code applied.
14:00 csharp looks like fund code isn't being referenced here
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14:01 kmlussier csharp: I'm stumped. Sorry.
14:01 csharp yep - that's where I'm spending a lot of my time lately
14:02 csharp my coworkers love it!
14:06 csharp huh acq.extract_provider_holding_data() returns no rows for one of the lineitems I just imported - maybe whatever is causing that not to work is the issue
14:21 kmlussier csharp: I'm going to take back what I said earlier. I'm just retested, and I'm having trouble with the automatic barcode generation. I don't know if it's related to what's in the provider record or not.
14:21 kmlussier I'm going to test a little further.
14:21 kmlussier In my case, the acq.copies were generated, but I was getting a message saying that the barcode already exists. It was generating the same barcode for each lineitem.
14:23 Dyrcona So, there isn't a good way to reprocess EDI messages, eh?
14:23 Dyrcona IOW, it looks like it would be more hassle than it is worth.
14:24 kmlussier @dunno
14:24 pinesol_green kmlussier: Down time is a fact of business when you're a poor 501c3 corporation.
14:25 Dyrcona But, to follow up on the conversation from hours ago, it does look like the problem with processing the invoic message was the space in the PO name.
14:30 kmlussier csharp: After further testing, I can confirm that there is a problem with automatically generating barcodes if the provider record includes a subfield for barcodes but the incoming record doesn't include that subfield.
14:31 csharp holy shiznit - I recreated the acq.extract_holding_attr_table function that was returning no rows with some RAISE NOTICE statements and after that it works
14:31 csharp I have no idea why that would have work
14:31 csharp ed
14:31 csharp @eightball do we need to start reingesting acq functions now?
14:31 pinesol_green csharp: Maybe...
14:31 kmlussier csharp: Call numbers seem to generate fine in the same situation. Apparently, my comment above - "I do it all the time in testing" - was a big lie.
14:31 csharp heh
14:31 miker csharp: sounds like maybe you had an old version?
14:32 csharp no idea
14:32 miker did you edit the one actually in the db, or from master source?
14:33 miker csharp: also, I think that's the closest I've ever seen you come to cursing ;)
14:34 berick heh
14:34 csharp oh, just in here.  If this were a google hangout, y'all would've heard some creative profanity
14:35 csharp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJheWwW7rw
14:35 berick logging enabled: activate ned flanders mode.
14:36 csharp holy shizdiddlyshiznit
14:38 Dyrcona We've started saying Sean Feguson around the house.
14:38 miker csharp++
14:38 csharp ha! it works now
14:38 Dyrcona It comes from a story of an immigrant at Ellis Island, who asked for a good, American name from a worker.
14:38 Dyrcona He was told "Rockefeller."
14:39 Dyrcona He forgot the name by the time he got to the desk, and being a yiddish speaker, he "Schon fergressen" (I just forgot.)
14:39 Dyrcona So, the guy at the desk wrote down Sean Ferguson.
14:39 Dyrcona Oy! Who can't type this afternoon?
14:40 csharp vimdiff between the old function and the new shows a difference here: '//*[@tag="' || tag || '" and position()=' || i || ']/*/@code|' vs  '//*[@tag="' || tag || '"][position()=' || i || ']/*/@code|'
14:40 csharp I bet that's it
14:40 csharp that looks familiar
14:41 csharp it's similar to the xpath issue gmcharlt jboyer-isl and I were looking at at the hackaway
14:44 jeff "pull lists should be accurate at the time of their generation, but cannot be guaranteed after that"
14:44 csharp jeff: but we've *always* printed our list at 9:00 to pull holds at 3:00!
14:45 Dyrcona csharp jeff "Well, you're doing it wrong." ;)
14:46 csharp an ILS I used at my previous library job "locked" the copies to the hold-pulling branch for 24 hours to avoid that problem
14:47 csharp in fact, we had to change the status to missing for any copies we didn't find so they would move on to another library
14:47 csharp otherwise they'd be there the next day
14:47 Dyrcona csharp: That has a familiar ring to it.
14:48 csharp starts with an H and rhymes with Verizon?
14:48 Dyrcona I believe it does.
14:50 jboyer-isl csharp: I'm guessing that function has "table" in the name? Last I knew we left that issue at "tell the vendor to stop that until tuits present themselves for a proper fix"
14:50 kmlussier Mobile pull list. Once the web client is available, they can bring the pull list with them on the tablet. Have an option available to capture it as soon as you pull it off the shelf to verify that it is still available.
14:50 jboyer-isl Or is this another, similar looking issue?
14:50 csharp jboyer-isl: it's not the same issue, but it uses similar xpath to grab its values
14:51 csharp it does have "table" in the name, yes
14:52 csharp wait - that was it
14:52 csharp our attempt to change that function at the hackaway is what broke copy creation!
14:52 csharp heh
14:52 csharp @blame me
14:52 pinesol_green csharp: Your failure is now complete, csharp.
14:53 * jboyer-isl looks up at the sky, whistles.
14:53 csharp haha
14:53 jboyer-isl It occurs to me that we verified that change didn't correct the problem, but perhaps we didn't verify that it didn't break anything that worked before.
14:53 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I belated added something to the roadmap for 2.10. I didn't think it was worthy at first, but changed my mind.
14:54 csharp @blame [someone] for [quote random]
14:54 pinesol_green csharp: miker stole bshum's tux doll! for Quote #9: "<sylvar> Late-night boredom. Some folks write a replacement Minix kernel, some people set fire to stuff." (added by gmcharlt at 08:32 AM, May 17, 2011)
14:54 gmcharlt Dyrcona: thanks!
14:54 Dyrcona MVLC in general doesn't have anything at this time.
14:54 csharp sylvar++ # always makes me laugh
14:55 * Dyrcona knows sylvar from way back...conferences for that other ILS.
15:01 kmlussier The roadmap is looking fairly featureful. Nice!
15:08 kmlussier bug 1481441 seems to mirror another bug that had a lot of discussion from mmorgan, phasefx and me. But I can't track it down to verify if it really is a duplicate or not.
15:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1481441 in Evergreen "action.hold_request_permit_test fail_parts can be confusing to end users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481441
15:25 mmorgan kmlussier has an impressive memory! lp 1319980 ?
15:25 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1319980 in Evergreen "misleading hold placement failure message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319980
15:26 kmlussier mmorgan: That's the one! Looks like most of the discussion happened in IRC, not on the bug.
15:28 mmorgan Yeah, it actually started out as an Equinox support ticket
15:29 dbwells csharp: Just read the backlog including the conclusion to your recent acq saga.  Classic.  :)  Definitely been there once or twice.
15:31 * dbwells feels better after thinking somehow, someway, he's the one who broke it
15:39 csharp dbwells: I knew it was either something I did and didn't remember or something an end user did and wasn't saying ;-)
15:41 phasefx out of sight, out of mind.  QA tests have been failing for a while.  Suspect it's the environment and not EG code.  Need to resubscribe pinesol to the RSS feed
15:43 kmlussier yikes
16:14 berick dbwells: i'm done w/ bug 1468422 for now.  i left the authproxy for you if you want it.
16:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1468422 in Evergreen "Improve Password Management and Authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468422
16:15 berick should be a simple change, but I like the idea of someone else using the code.
16:16 berick to gauge its murkiness ratio
16:20 dbwells berick: Thanks.  You're right, it should be very simple (and remove some of the ugliness from AuthProxy to boot).  I appreciate your efforts to handle the hard bits, and I'll definitely make it a priority.
16:20 berick dbwells++
16:38 mmorgan Lovely moonrise tonight! Though I hate that it happens at 4:30 :-(
17:06 phasefx a lot better this time: http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/
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17:11 kmlussier phasefx++
17:42 Bmagic anyone played with running more than one instance of Evergreen on the same postgres cluster? divided by database and dbuser?
17:43 kmlussier Nope
17:43 * kmlussier wraps up work for the week.
17:44 Bmagic kmlussier: have a good thank goodnessgiving
17:44 kmlussier Have a nice Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it and a nice week to everyone else!
17:44 kmlussier Bmagic: Thanks! :)
17:51 miker Bmagic: yes, and it works fine. drawback is that you can't tune pg per evergreen instanve
17:59 Bmagic miker: ty
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18:13 rangi oh, I should post this here too
18:13 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~sr​djan/WebService-ILS-0.01/
18:14 rangi we are doing some work with a bunch of the different econtent vendors for koha, but trying to cpan all the common bits so useful for other projects like evergreen too
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