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| 09:16 |
Stompro |
iii-- just saw the note about the III CEO resigning, now the CEO is from the holding company. https://twitter.com/mbreeding/status/637001698049847296 |
| 09:22 |
jeff |
I'm sure they'll get right on those glaring patron privacy bugs. |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
And with the first four characters of Stompro's line, I thought I was in #code4lib |
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Dyrcona |
heh |
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| 10:15 |
abowling |
question: are double quotes scrubbed from a title when added to the DB? (<-hoping) I've been looking for examples, but can't find any |
| 10:16 |
tsbere |
abowling: They should be, as far as I know |
| 10:17 |
jboyer-isl |
abowling: Depends on where you mean. They stay in the marc record for sure, but they're stripped out for the simple record extracts. I assume also for search indexes. |
| 10:17 |
abowling |
tsbere: thanks. that's the answer for which i was hoping |
| 10:17 |
* tsbere |
figured the entire question was for indexing and such in the first place as we don't mess too much with the MARC itself ;) |
| 10:18 |
abowling |
jboyer-isl: basically, yes. just verifying that they won't show up in an opac search |
| 10:18 |
abowling |
should have been clearer |
| 10:18 |
jeff |
While there are several places where normalization/ingest may make them not present, or remove them from the reporter.materialized_simple_record table that is commonly used for reports, nothing should be automatically removing a double quote character (") from the MARC record, and it should be displayed in the catalog with the characters present. |
| 10:19 |
jboyer-isl |
That's what I thought too, I just like to cover all the bases. |
| 10:19 |
jeff |
Ask a non-specific question, get a very long general answer. :-) |
| 10:20 |
jeff |
Hopefully the answer includes enough context for you to find the specific answer you were looking for! :-) |
| 10:20 |
abowling |
jeff: it does. thanks! |
| 10:20 |
abowling |
or, um, 42 |
| 10:23 |
abowling |
and, giving short answers is not something that come naturally to jboyer-isl or me, so i can handle it. ;) |
| 10:24 |
jboyer-isl |
nope. |
| 10:24 |
jboyer-isl |
(ha!) |
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Stompro |
Is OCLC down for anyone else? |
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jeff |
Stompro: i can't load https://www.oclc.org/support/systemalerts.en.html -- so that's pretty telling. :-) |
| 10:54 |
Stompro |
Thanks Jeff, that is what I'm seeing also. |
| 11:01 |
Bmagic |
There are those who call me, Tim? |
| 11:03 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ |
| 11:04 |
Bmagic |
haha! |
| 11:14 |
jeff |
berick: does constrictor live in the random repo now? |
| 11:15 |
Stompro |
Dyrcona, do you know where PALS released their NCIP related code that they use for EG <-> VDX? I've been trying to figure out what is going on from the list archives, but I'm not fully sure. Did they modify iNCIPit for evergreen? |
| 11:15 |
berick |
jeff: yep collab/berick/constrictor |
| 11:15 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: They did modify iNCIPit. |
| 11:15 |
jeff |
Stompro: they did. |
| 11:16 |
jeff |
Stompro: I encouraged them to contribute their changes back, and there was a pull request, but it was... in need of significantly more work than I was able to make for it at the time. |
| 11:16 |
Dyrcona |
There's a github repo isn't there? |
| 11:16 |
jeff |
iNCIPit has a github repo here: https://github.com/iNCIPit/iNCIPit/ |
| 11:17 |
jeff |
I think that PALS deleted their fork, or at least their pull request. Looking now. |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
I have several remotes, but none for PALS. |
| 11:18 |
jeff |
Nope, they just deleted the pull request. Here's their branch in their fork: |
| 11:18 |
jeff |
https://github.com/MNPALS/iNCIPit/tree/iNCIPit_ver2 |
| 11:18 |
Dyrcona |
The trouble with NCIP is that you pretty much need a separate implementation for every vendor you talk to, despite it being a standard. |
| 11:19 |
Stompro |
jeff++ thank you so much for finding that. |
| 11:19 |
jeff |
Beware that many of those changes in that branch seem to be manual copy and paste of changes from upstream, and/or they revert changes from upstream in what seems to be an unintentional fashion. |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: If you want NCIP version 2, then NCIPServer is a better place to start. |
| 11:21 |
Stompro |
I believe that ECRL (East Central Regional Library in MN), the system that the iNCIPit EG->VDX works was done for, is going to keep using it when the switch to hosted soon. We are in the same boat as them now, and our state ILL people have experience with what they setup. |
| 11:22 |
Dyrcona |
And, oddly enough, I am at this very moment in the process of setting up on our production servers. |
| 11:22 |
Dyrcona |
Well, if it works for you..... ;) |
| 11:23 |
Dyrcona |
That is, I am setting up NCIPServer on our production servers. |
| 11:38 |
Stompro |
Dyrcona, what is the deal with the PALS integration branches under NCIPServer working? Was that just an early attempt by PALS to use NCIPServer, or to work towards that goal? |
| 11:42 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: I believe I made those branches based on a clone made by PALS. |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: If you look at the master branch, you'll find a commit or two from Alan Rykhus fairly early on. |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
Also, the master branch is out of date and only works for Koha at the moment. |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
In working/user/dyrcona/better_abstraction, I completely changed the interface between the front and back ends and Koha has not caught up. ;) |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
And, I'm not sure that the PALS_integration branch went anywhere. |
| 11:46 |
Dyrcona |
In short, NCIPServer is kind of a mess at the moment and probably will be until New Years' or so. |
| 11:50 |
Stompro |
Dyrcona, thanks, We were not originally planning on migrating with NCIP support, so we will probably go back to that plan. Our state VDX/ILL guy was just asking if we were, and I had no idea what the options/issues were, this conversation helps me understand it better. |
| 11:51 |
Dyrcona |
If the PALS iNCIPit clone is already working with the ILL product you'll be using, then that's your best bet for now. |
| 12:17 |
kmlussier |
Stompro: The last I heard on the PALS integration branch was that they were looking for a way to share the final code. I don't think it ever happened, so the code you're seeing may be out of date. |
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dbs |
If only there were well-established ways to share open source code... :) |
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jeff |
kmlussier: so your understanding is that for PALS, the "final" code they went with was NCIPServer and not iNCIPit? |
| 12:42 |
kmlussier |
OK, I'm looking at old e-mails, and what I see is that it was modeled on the one from Jonathan Scott. So that would be iNCIPit I guess. |
| 12:43 |
Dyrcona |
yep. |
| 12:43 |
kmlussier |
I only know this because of a separate side conversation regarding licensing that somehow made it to EOB members last year. Last I saw, we encouraged them to approach the dev community on the best way to share it. I didn't hear anything after that. |
| 12:45 |
Dyrcona |
And the working/collab/dyrcona/PALS_integration branch is a merger of working/collab/alrykhus/PALS which brings in one commit that may have had its changed modified away at this point. |
| 12:45 |
Dyrcona |
s/changed/changes/ |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
A couple of us heard privately from them. |
| 12:48 |
jeff |
I did spend several hours trying to break down and rebase their single commit. |
| 12:49 |
jeff |
...or even try to identify which commit it was originally based off of. |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, big, omnibus commits can be a pain. |
| 12:50 |
kmlussier |
jeff: Sounds like several hours that could have been better utilized doing something else. :) |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
But it was "1 changed file with 667 additions and 692 deletions" in a single commit, and one of the changes was removal of "use strict;", so... |
| 12:52 |
Dyrcona |
Not good, unless it is replaced with use Modern::Perl. |
| 12:52 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: I had an omnibus pull request on iNCIPit -- but that was something like 38 individual commits. :-) |
| 12:53 |
Dyrcona |
I've gotten in the habit of committing smaller changes on my local stuff. |
| 12:53 |
Dyrcona |
It's easier to back out and fix screw ups that way. |
| 12:53 |
jeff |
Anyway, I wish there were more-better methods of testing things like SIP2 and NCIP, but nothing jumps out at me at the moment. :P |
| 12:54 |
Dyrcona |
For NCIPServer, I write some scripts using libwww-perl with request messages in the DATA handle. |
| 12:55 |
Dyrcona |
I use LookupUser as a "smoke test" after installing it each time. |
| 13:00 |
jeff |
third party black box implementation testing is where i wish there were a good approach. |
| 13:01 |
jeff |
but i think at present, that's "record some of the crazy things seen in real life, make tests from there" |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: I've been copying the messages sent by Auto-Graphics ILL software in some of my tests. |
| 13:03 |
Dyrcona |
We could maybe dummy some up to use Concerto data in the future. |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
i could contribute some invalid M |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
bah. |
| 13:03 |
Dyrcona |
But, I'll wait on rangi to finish his changes around Christamas/New Years'. ;) |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
i could contribute some invalid XML from INN-Reach :-) |
| 13:03 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
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Stompro |
access++ http://staplr.org/ musical representation of reference desk activity :-) |
| 14:42 |
dbs |
I was supposed to be arriving at that hackfest by now, but my flight has been delayed 4.5 hours now. |
| 14:43 |
Stompro |
dbs, That sucks, I hope you get there today yet. Are you presenting this year? |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
Stompro: have you seen "Listen to Wikipedia"? http://listen.hatnote.com/ |
| 14:45 |
Stompro |
csharp, no I haven't, thanks, I'll try it out. |
| 14:46 |
csharp |
maybe we should blend listen to wikipedia with https://twitter.com/congressedits ;-) |
| 14:46 |
dbs |
Stompro: yep, I'm on Thursday. Talking about schema.org for basic library data (like: where is your library located? what are your opening hours?), the kinds of things that evergreen generates but nobody else has in their normal library web pages |
| 14:47 |
dbs |
But trying to tackle it from a few angles, like building a Drupal theme that makes the schema.org Just Work when people edit opening hours or add an address, that sort of thing. |
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dbs |
Idea being that "wouldn't it be nice to have something like WorldCat Registry, except with an open license, more complete, and actually accurate and up-to-date data without people having to manually edit it?" (via crawls/pulls instead) |
| 14:52 |
Stompro |
dbs, I tried to get our address, hours, and contact info tagged when we did our website redesign, i had the templates edited, then the designers decided to go another route and removed it all. I should do that again. |
| 14:54 |
dbs |
Dang designers! |
| 14:54 |
dbs |
If you ever have questions, feel free to fire them my way |
| 15:02 |
* kmlussier |
just set up a blog totally unrelated to libraries with schema.org tags and then used it as an example to explain to her son what structured data is. |
| 15:02 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier++ # teaching future generations |
| 15:02 |
kmlussier |
Even if I never use the blog, it was totally worth it to see the light of understanding in his eyes. |
| 15:02 |
dbs |
kmlussier++ # nice |
| 15:03 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:04 |
kmlussier |
Actually, setting up the blog was the thing that made *me* really get it. dbs can talk about it all he wants, but I don't fully understand something until I'm using it. |
| 15:05 |
dbs |
kmlussier: fwiw, i'm the same way |
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* mmorgan |
is the same way, too :) |
| 15:13 |
kmlussier |
artunit++ #For always going above and beyond to help us troubleshoot Syrup issues. :) |
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pinesol_green` |
All hail the supreme potentate, bshum has arrived! |
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* jwoodard_tablet |
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