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bshum |
Hmm, git code hosting in Launchpad. Guess I missed the memos till now. |
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| 08:49 |
Dyrcona |
Google is f'in useless if you have a problem with the utility called "at." |
| 08:49 |
Dyrcona |
Just a public service announcement. |
| 08:50 |
csharp |
I only get results if I add "linux" to the query |
| 08:50 |
csharp |
same with "less" |
| 08:50 |
Dyrcona |
Even with linux, the results are all about cron. |
| 08:50 |
* csharp |
always forgets "at" syntax |
| 08:51 |
Dyrcona |
at syntax is just the command line. |
| 08:51 |
Dyrcona |
My fun is, cron sends email, mail sends email, perl sends email, at doesn't. |
| 08:51 |
csharp |
no, I mean literally "at 23:59 Sun" or whatever - I usually mix up the order |
| 08:52 |
Dyrcona |
Oh. |
| 08:52 |
csharp |
right |
| 08:52 |
Dyrcona |
I use 24 hour time, no colon, followed by day or date. |
| 08:52 |
Dyrcona |
It's actually very forgiving and accepts a wide range of formats. |
| 08:53 |
Dyrcona |
And Google is still useless. ;) |
| 08:53 |
csharp |
yeah - I like it, but I agree that no email is a problem when you want confirmation |
| 08:53 |
Dyrcona |
Well, not just confirmation...the output is often the point. |
| 08:53 |
csharp |
ah |
| 08:54 |
Dyrcona |
I can see that it ran in syslog, 'cause I have entries for the osrf call and authority_control_fields, but I'd like the output from the script to see just what happened in a more friendly format. |
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Dyrcona |
Convoluted postfix configs and smarthosts and aliases and antiquated......%@#&*! |
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jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: I hear Microsoft has a very modern email system. ;) |
| 09:16 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: Ha! |
| 09:18 |
Dyrcona |
No, I wouldn't have this problem with Microsoft, 'cause I wouldn't have this capability there. |
| 09:18 |
Dyrcona |
And actually, we've come up with three different way to fix it in the last 20 minutes. ;) |
| 09:22 |
jboyer-isl |
My first thought was a simple shell script that piped the output into sendmail (or the appropriate approximation). I haven't looked at how to use at enough to know what other options there may be. |
| 09:22 |
Dyrcona |
Nah, postfix configuration. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
Option 1: use a canonical or virtual destination map, but tsbere thinks that might make postfix go mad. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
Option 2: Mess with myorigin. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
Option 3: Mess with myorigin in a different way. |
| 09:23 |
tsbere |
No, Option 3 was "mess with mydestination" |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
Oops. right. |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
But mydestination looked right to begin with. |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
Anyway. |
| 09:24 |
tsbere |
The issue was that mydestination didn't include myorigin >_> |
| 09:25 |
tsbere |
So mess with myorigin to make it something already in mydestination or add myorigin to mydestination |
| 09:27 |
jboyer-isl |
Ah, didn't think it could handle email destined for itself. A crisis of confidence in the email world. |
| 09:27 |
tsbere |
jboyer-isl: More that "if it doesn't think it is destined for itself it ignores the aliases file" |
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| 09:35 |
jeff |
morning, #evergreen |
| 09:36 |
mmorgan |
Good Morning! |
| 09:37 |
pdot2 |
morning |
| 10:03 |
kmlussier |
Good morning everyone! |
| 10:04 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier: Good Morning! |
| 10:05 |
pdot2 |
good morning! I have some (questionable? knowledge that needs validation.) My configuration workflow on a "fresh" server: > drop database from postgres, rename CONS, and add two branches + hours, run autogen.sh, restart opensrf and the admin client... |
| 10:06 |
pdot2 |
should I be able to add new users at this point? |
| 10:06 |
pdot2 |
(I forgot re-running eg_db_config after dropping the database) |
| 10:10 |
mmorgan |
pdot2: Are you still unable to choose a home library? Or is there a different issue? |
| 10:13 |
pdot2 |
mmorgan: just found the issue (hirearchy level related the second time, the first time I corrupted the database by not running autogen.sh) |
| 10:16 |
mmorgan |
:) |
| 10:21 |
pdot2 |
a followup for those of you who know the default permissions well, my setup is two small branches, (probably less than 500 books/resources each) managed / operated by volunteers. What permission level should I start my staff off with, so they can handle checking in, loaning out books, as well as adding their current inventories to the database? |
| 10:24 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: I don't know the default permissions very well, but I think the problem you'll find is that checking in and loaning out books are usually covered under the circulator / circ admin permission groups and adding current inventories is covered under the catalogers / cataloging admin permission group. |
| 10:24 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: But you can add two permission groups to one user, so you might want to give them the circ admin group and the cataloging admin group? |
| 10:26 |
* kmlussier |
doesn't know if there are things you would want to restrict them from doing that are covered by the permissions in those groups, though. |
| 10:26 |
pdot2 |
allrighty, I sense a good blog post in my near future |
| 10:27 |
dbs |
pdot2++ # blog posts |
| 10:27 |
dbs |
give me a heads-up for your blog RSS or Atom feed and I'll add it to planet.evergreen-ils.org |
| 10:29 |
pdot2 |
awesome, will do once I've got some content for you. |
| 10:29 |
pdot2 |
followup-question (I suspect I'll be annoying a lot of you for the next few days) where do I add secondary user permissions? |
| 10:33 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: If you're on a 2.7+ system, it should be in the patron editor, but it only displays when editing in the patron record. Alternatively, you can add permission groups directly in the database too. |
| 10:33 |
kmlussier |
The button doesn't display when creating a new user. |
| 10:34 |
* mmorgan |
loves that secondary permission group button :) |
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* dbs |
wonders what the "Click" in "Click. F5" is that counts as a click, but isn't going to pursue it on the mailing list |
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| 10:35 |
Dyrcona |
What the click!? |
| 10:35 |
* Dyrcona |
dodges the tomatoes. |
| 10:36 |
pdot2 |
I'm running 2.8.2, is the patron editor under parton search? |
| 10:36 |
jboyer-isl |
dbs, would you rather they tap, click, type, press, or hit it? ;) |
| 10:36 |
Dyrcona |
"No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue." |
| 10:36 |
pdot2 |
one day, I'll bring back the tripple middle click for something important |
| 10:36 |
jboyer-isl |
Oh, now I know what you're referring to. I thought there were instructions somewhere to "Click F5" |
| 10:37 |
Dyrcona |
pdot2: You find a patron. Load the patron, then click the "Edit" button. |
| 10:38 |
pdot2 |
(and mac users will exclaim, "Where's my X11 emulate middle click? :P " ) |
| 10:39 |
pdot2 |
Dyrcona: thanks! this UI will take some learning :) |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
I think the terminology in the client is Retrieve Patron. |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
for load patron. |
| 10:40 |
dbs |
Luckily, as an academic library, we don't get too many loaded patrons. |
| 10:40 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Yeah, I just found myself counting clicks, but, unlike you, I couldn't resist the temptation to pursue it further. |
| 10:42 |
pdot2 |
okay, next question of flow, I've added a marc record into my catalog, how do I get it into circulation? |
| 10:42 |
pdot2 |
(I'm guessing this has something to do with buckets? but I don't come from a library background) |
| 10:43 |
kmlussier |
We really need to get that cataloging documentation out of 1.6 and into modern Evergreen. |
| 10:43 |
yboston |
yep |
| 10:43 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: This is a little old, but you can start here. http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/1.6/draft/html/Addingholdings.html |
| 10:43 |
jboyer-isl |
pdot2: A marc record only stands for a title, individual libraries may or may not have any holdings on it. Next you'll need to add a call number entry for one of the branches, and then add an item (this is where the barcode is) to that. They can both be done as a single step in Holdings Maintenance. |
| 10:43 |
kmlussier |
It doesn't involve buckets, but you do need to add items. Or, what jboyer-isl just said. |
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| 10:44 |
jboyer-isl |
Available in the Actions for this Record menu when looking at a bib in the client. |
| 10:48 |
pdot2 |
awesome, (lets hear it for IRC, this would be impossible in my time frame otherwise) a followup question, how bad would it be to use ISBN/ISSN for barcodes, under the assumption that we'd never have duplicate books across branches? |
| 10:49 |
jeff |
it's a dirty, dirty hack that may bite you at some point in the future. nothing offhand comes to mind that would completely prevent you from doing it, but i can't go so far as to recommend it. :-) |
| 10:50 |
kmlussier |
Do multi-volume works share the same ISBN? |
| 10:50 |
dbs |
i.e. "proceed with caution" |
| 10:50 |
jeff |
you'll be unable to distinguish by barcode between your library owned copy of an item and some other item with that same isbn. |
| 10:50 |
jeff |
publishers can and do re-use isbns, even though they should not. |
| 10:50 |
pdot2 |
ah yes, accountability becomes an issue |
| 10:51 |
jeff |
it's rare, but it happens. |
| 10:51 |
dbs |
You could prefix your library shortname to the ISBN/ISSN :) |
| 10:51 |
dbs |
And suffix the volume number |
| 10:51 |
pdot2 |
okay, looks like new barcodes for all >.< |
| 10:51 |
dbs |
The hacks just keep on getting dirtier |
| 10:51 |
jeff |
some barcode scanners do different transformations on isbns when reading them -- you may stumble over that, especially differences between different barcode scanners or different models. |
| 10:53 |
pdot2 |
lets hope the (honeywell) voyager 1200g pulls through, if I'm generating my own barcodes, is there some sort of standard font? |
| 10:53 |
gmcharlt |
heads-up - the Evergreen website will be taken down at 1 p.m., briefly, for maintenance |
| 10:56 |
jboyer-isl |
pdot2: There are some free 3 of 9 fonts around, or you might be able to use an online barcode generator and build a page formatted to print correctly on label stock (I did this for a couple of months before we starting buying professionally printed barcodes again) |
| 10:58 |
jeff |
typically, library item barcodes are Codabar, 14 digits, Luhn / mod-10 check digit in the 14th position... |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
And, yeah, there are several libraries in different languages that can generate barcode images that you can print. |
| 10:59 |
jeff |
i've seen varied start/stop characters. usually your barcode scanners are configured to strip the start/stop characters. sometimes this is called "NOTIS Editing" in the barcode scanner config/manual |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, NOTIS..... |
| 11:03 |
jboyer-isl |
But if you're starting from scratch, Code 128 has some nice features. (like not allowing partial scans, etc.) |
| 11:05 |
jeff |
we've only ever had partial scan issues on one device, and even then only after the scanner head was replaced with a similar-but-different model from a different manufacturer. that device (a checkin + EM security station) is no longer with us. |
| 11:06 |
jeff |
(apropos of almost nothing) |
| 11:06 |
jeff |
i don't recall if we ever answered the question of how something that had start and stop characters could get a partial scan... :P |
| 11:07 |
mmorgan |
jeff: Really? Partial scan issues on only one device? Or one "type" of device. We have lots of partial scan issues :-( |
| 11:07 |
jboyer-isl |
They're not required |
| 11:08 |
jboyer-isl |
Or, failing that, they're not missed, depending on the scanner. |
| 11:08 |
jeff |
mmorgan: partial scan issues on only one instance of one model of device (we had two of these devices) |
| 11:11 |
* mmorgan |
doesn't think it's the scanners. Seems like many times, the client just isn't ready for input. |
| 11:12 |
jboyer-isl |
mmorgan: there certainly is some of that. |
| 11:12 |
mmorgan |
We get lots of precats with partial barcodes. |
| 11:13 |
tsbere |
It is also fun when off-angle scans of a barcode can make it seem like it hit the other end char due to the ends not being distinct enough. >_> |
| 11:16 |
mmorgan |
tsbere: Interesting. I never considered that scenario. |
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stompro |
Has anyone ever seen requests for "/openils/var/web/xul/rel_2_8_2/server/main/OpenILS/data.js" which should actually be "/openils/var/web/xul/rel_2_8_2/server/OpenILS/data.js" (removing the main folder) I've been trying to grep for it, but nothing is coming up. |
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| 11:34 |
jeff |
stompro: i have requests for both. why do you ask? |
| 11:34 |
jeff |
stompro: are you just wondering about the 404 requests? |
| 11:35 |
stompro |
Yes, just the file not found request. |
| 11:35 |
* jonadab |
adjusts patron data to avoid voilating eg schema constraints. |
| 11:36 |
stompro |
jess, I'm just wondering if that is a bug that should be fixed, or expected behavior. |
| 11:36 |
stompro |
Err, s/jess/jeff |
| 11:37 |
phasefx |
probably the JSAN library just hunting for the right path.. I would expect for it to look at whatever paths .addRepository specified, and maybe that's done incorrectly somewhere |
| 11:39 |
phasefx |
stompro: the code looks like JSAN.use('OpenILS.data'); which I think just dynanically constructs URL's and <script> tags to load the files. Better mechanisms exist these days |
| 11:39 |
phasefx |
dynamically, even |
| 11:39 |
phasefx |
or maybe it xhr's and evals the files |
| 11:39 |
* phasefx |
forgets |
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stompro |
Thanks phasefx++ |
| 12:10 |
Bmagic |
just to make sure that I am responding to my library correctly: There is no way to distinguish a record that was hand crafted from one that was imported via z39.50? I see a column "source" but that is blank in both cases |
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| 12:11 |
Bmagic |
A bib record (biblio.record_entry) |
| 12:15 |
csharp |
Bmagic: from what I know, there is no way to tell |
| 12:16 |
Bmagic |
thanks, just making extra sure! |
| 12:16 |
bshum |
Bmagic: If it came from somewhere else... |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
There might be clues for that |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
I want to say look for stray 035 elements indicating previous system source |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
But I'm *not* a cataloger |
| 12:17 |
Bmagic |
that's a thought |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
And I also don't know if you use the maintain fields |
| 12:17 |
Bmagic |
on the 035 |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
@marc 035 |
| 12:17 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8] |
| 12:17 |
Dyrcona |
@marc 040 |
| 12:17 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. (1 more message) |
| 12:18 |
Bmagic |
if you are hand crafting a bib, and you put in a 001, the software will move that to 035 right? |
| 12:18 |
bshum |
Bmagic: It depends on how you use Evergreen. |
| 12:18 |
bshum |
Bmagic: In our consortium, we retain the 001 in the original form, because that's how our settings work :) |
| 12:18 |
bshum |
But don't listen to that, it's not "stock" behavior |
| 12:19 |
bshum |
Also, I've never hand crafted a MARC record before. |
| 12:19 |
bshum |
So I don't know what it would do :( |
| 12:19 |
Dyrcona |
Right. Stock is move 001 to 035 and use the bre.id in 001, and that's what we do at MVLC. |
| 12:19 |
Dyrcona |
Look at the 040 on the two records. |
| 12:19 |
Bmagic |
I know that our system moves the 001 to the 035 from z39.50. My question, will it do the same thing to a hand created bib? |
| 12:19 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: It does it on all bibs. |
| 12:20 |
Bmagic |
that's what I thought |
| 12:20 |
Bmagic |
its a DB trigger |
| 12:20 |
Bmagic |
for INSERT ? |
| 12:22 |
Dyrcona |
BEFORE INSERT OR UPDATE |
| 12:22 |
Dyrcona |
maintain_control_numbers |
| 12:23 |
Dyrcona |
My guess is that a locally created record will not have an 040 unless your templates do, and an imported record will have an 040. |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
Dyrcona++ |
| 12:41 |
kmlussier |
berick: I was looking at Terran's comments regarding hold notification options in bug 1452950, but I don't see odd wrapping she reported. Is that because you've already done some work to make them wrap better? |
| 12:41 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1452950 in Evergreen "Angularize the patron editor" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452950 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick) |
| 12:42 |
pdot2 |
10000001 |
| 12:43 |
pdot2 |
ack, wrong input field |
| 12:43 |
csharp |
hooray!: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-1793.html |
| 12:43 |
pinesol_green |
** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-1793) |
| 12:44 |
bshum |
csharp: More openssl issues? :\ |
| 12:44 |
csharp |
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-1793 |
| 12:44 |
csharp |
bshum: yep |
| 12:45 |
csharp |
https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20150709.txt |
| 12:45 |
csharp |
human-readable explanation: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/critical-openssl-bug-allows-attackers-to-impersonate-any-trusted-server/ |
| 12:46 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. Read about this coming up today over the weekend. |
| 12:46 |
csharp |
fortunately Ubuntu and Debian (non-sid) releases are unaffected |
| 12:47 |
pdot2 |
supernoob question: what are call numbers used for? |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
pdot2: To find items on library shelves. |
| 12:48 |
pdot2 |
ah, okay |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
In Evergreen, asset.call_number serves as the link between biblio.record_entry and asset.copy. |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
biblio.record_entry being the bibliographic (MARC) data about the book/item/what have you. |
| 12:51 |
Dyrcona |
and asset.copy being the physical manifestation in the form of a book, dvd, what have you. |
| 12:52 |
* bshum |
likes diagrams: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1EIcumPTGAwLgJvC9FgnYB9LjyWEKFn4rw-DW8ctO69k/edit?usp=sharing |
| 12:52 |
* jeffdavis |
wonders idly what Melvil Dewey would say to that explanation of what call numbers are for |
| 12:53 |
* Dyrcona |
considers Dewey's system to be obsolete and his ideas quaint. |
| 13:02 |
csharp |
we'll have a brief outage of the Evergreen web server starting now. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 13:03 |
bshum |
csharp: I'm significantly inconvenienced and outraged. /joking |
| 13:03 |
dbs |
In the UK, call numbers are called "shelf marks"; I concur with Dyrcona's simple purpose |
| 13:03 |
* kmlussier |
was planning to finally write her blog post on Bug Squashing Day right now, but can now blame csharp when it's delayed a little longer. ;) |
| 13:04 |
csharp |
bshum: kmlussier: :-D |
| 13:04 |
csharp |
@blame Debian upgrades |
| 13:04 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Debian upgrades caused the white screen of death! |
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| 14:01 |
yboston |
it is time for my meeting. I am not clear if meetbot is working yet, but I will start without it |
| 14:01 |
bshum |
yboston: It's fine. |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#startmeeting 2015-07-09 - Evergreen for academics monthly meeting. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jul 9 14:01:44 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2015_07_09___evergreen_for_academics_monthly_meeting_' |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:2015-07-09 |
| 14:02 |
pdot2 |
hmm, so when I create a new marc record, my bib call# is empty. should I be populating that with an incremented number somehow? |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
anyone here for the meeting? |
| 14:02 |
kmlussier |
bshum++ |
| 14:02 |
DonB_ |
DonB is here |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music |
| 14:03 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: A meeting is happening right now, so you might want to save your question until after it is done. |
| 14:03 |
pdot2 |
ah, will do |
| 14:03 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 14:03 |
DonB_ |
#info DonB is don.butterworth asburyseminary.edu |
| 14:03 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: Based on the attendance, it might be a quick one. ;) |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
thanks for coming |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#topic last meeting's action items |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#info 1)yboston and Christineb will work on creating and sending a letter to EDU email addresses from conference to promote the EG acedmics group |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
we worked on this issue, but... |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
sending a mass email to the conference list was not permitted |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
and I agree with that decision |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I think we should try sending a letter |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
tot he general list looking for contact at academic institutions using EG |
| 14:07 |
DonB_ |
Sounds like an appropriate alternative |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
it also appears that we might need a new day and time to meet, and perhpas meet less frequently |
| 14:07 |
rlefaive |
#info I’m Rosie Le Faive @ UPEI - first meeting on evergreen, sorry for breaking protocol, still figuring this out. :) |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
rlefaive: you are not breaking protocol |
| 14:08 |
DonB_ |
Hi Rosie |
| 14:08 |
rlefaive |
Hi DonB_, yboston |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
it is expected that does that arrive after the start of a meeting introduce themselves |
| 14:08 |
kmlussier |
Welcome rlefaive! |
| 14:09 |
DonB_ |
I think unless we come up with more topics |
| 14:09 |
DonB_ |
to discuss that we can cut back to fewer meetings |
| 14:09 |
DonB_ |
Question ... |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
go ahead |
| 14:10 |
DonB_ |
Would it be appropriate to talk about Kuali OLE in this venue? |
| 14:10 |
DonB_ |
I just became aware of Kuali OLE https://www.kuali.org/ole at a conference last month and in my opinion it will be a game changer in the academe. |
| 14:11 |
rlefaive |
They’re ‘competition’ rather than a spinoff of EG, I assume? |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
I first heard about it a year ago, don't know much |
| 14:11 |
kmlussier |
DonB_: Kuali OLE is a different ILS. I don't think #evergreen is the appropriate channel for those discussions. |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
I beleive there were some comments on it on the list |
| 14:12 |
DonB_ |
It's a system specifically with designed with academics in mind |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
DonB_: if you want to talk about it you can contact me directly, though I don't know much about it |
| 14:12 |
DonB_ |
But I don't want to breach any kind of list protacall |
| 14:13 |
DonB_ |
Yes they are competition of EG |
| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
Well, it's just that this channel is available to provide support and talk about development around Evergreen. I'm not sure how discussion about Kuali OLE would relate. |
| 14:14 |
phasefx |
bad mouthing OLE might be on topic :) j/k |
| 14:14 |
bshum |
"open" sure. |
| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
I also rarely view another open source ILS as "competition," though I think Kuali is technically "community source." |
| 14:15 |
rlefaive |
do they have features that kick EG’s butt, so we should maybe think of developing? |
| 14:15 |
phasefx |
there may be room to cannabalize good ideas from OLE. It's more "throw it over the wall" open source.. aka community source |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
phasefx: not sure what that means? community source |
| 14:16 |
bshum |
I'd believe that if the code was more widely available for consumption, which it wasn't unless you bought in. Or at least that was the model that was expressed last year when I looked at it. I don't know what they're doing today. |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
then again, I rather talk about Eg and academics this hour |
| 14:16 |
phasefx |
yboston: in practice, it means they tightly control/incubate the process of development. It's not really open to "outside" developers, at least not in the beginning |
| 14:16 |
kmlussier |
I thought the code was available, but you can't actually contribute to it. |
| 14:17 |
DonB_ |
I only bring it up because they are doing development specifically geared to academics |
| 14:17 |
DonB_ |
and a number of the things they are already doing |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
DonB_: that is all that I know about it |
| 14:17 |
DonB_ |
are recommendations that are already in some of my bug requests |
| 14:18 |
kmlussier |
Anyway, my opinion is that we should work towards building the best feature set for Evergreen, and put resources into building the things we want. |
| 14:18 |
DonB_ |
But again, I don't want to go down a forbidden path |
| 14:18 |
phasefx |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:19 |
DonB_ |
ditto |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
I'm not going to say that discussing it is forbidden... but let's say that you probably will get more realistic constructive feedback discussing Evergreen features and functionality on an Evergreen list/discussion group/irc channel. |
| 14:20 |
bshum |
:) |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
DonB_: can you email me those observations; like what bug reports match their features, or at least claimed fearures. I can use it for motivation when I get to doing some coding |
| 14:21 |
DonB_ |
I'm cool with that |
| 14:21 |
DonB_ |
Bookbag was one of those features eh? |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
lets get back to the meeting |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
we have 40 minutes and I would like to discuss ways to increase participation |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
and also consider adjusting how often to meet |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
we can also have an open discussion on general topics, but I want to cover the first two |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
woudl that be OK? |
| 14:23 |
DonB_ |
go for it |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
so I would want to propose that we send an email to the general list to solicit more folks to meet about academics |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
we also should poll folks about what is the best time to meet, and how often |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
I can send out the email |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
I can send a draft to somone if they are curious |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
+1 to your ideas |
| 14:28 |
DonB_ |
+1 |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
FWIW, I think summer generally is a bad time to meet. |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
#action yboston will send out an email to the general list asking for more community members to participate in academics meeting; or at least forward our request to the acdemics libraries in EG consortiums |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
kmlussier: good point |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
maybe the summer is a good time to meet less often |
| 14:29 |
jihpringle |
#info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: ¡hola! |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
at this point should we not have an August meeting and instead push for a bigger September meeting? |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
we can of course still communicate through the general list |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
until then |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
or should we pick a topic to tackle in August to see if that spurs more participation and feedback? |
| 14:31 |
DonB_ |
September works for me. Life does get crazy during the summer |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
thanks for the feedback |
| 14:32 |
jihpringle |
agreed, but I would vote for late September since our post-secs will be busy with the start of the school year in the first couple weeks |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
jihpringle: that is exactly what I was thinking |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
for the record, we normally meet the third thursday of the month |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
we can push until October too |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
sorry, the EG board meets the thirs Thursday of the month, academics meets the second Thursday |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
so can we agree to postpone the next meting until the third or fourth week of September? |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
feel free to offer a different suggestion |
| 14:35 |
jihpringle |
sounds good to me |
| 14:35 |
DonB_ |
+ Sept |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
kmlussier? |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
rlefaive? |
| 14:35 |
rlefaive |
sounds good to me. |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
#action yboston will plan for the next academics meeting to happen the htird week of September |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
#idea consider meeting less often during summers |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
I feel that I am all set in terms of administrative business I wanted to get feedback from folks here today. |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
thank you |
| 14:37 |
DonB_ |
june and july are usually busy months for us |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
good to know |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
since there are only a few of us here, I would like to ask you what we shoudl talk for the rest of our alloted time |
| 14:38 |
rlefaive |
#question have “evergreen for academics” met before? I’m really new to EG, and I’m curious what “academic concerns” _are_. |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
rlefaive: excelent question |
| 14:38 |
rlefaive |
oh… haha … i found the wiki page http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
rlefaive: though I have a question for you first |
| 14:39 |
rlefaive |
yboston go for it |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
I think you answered it, how did you know to show up |
| 14:39 |
rlefaive |
a colleague told me! |
| 14:40 |
rlefaive |
oddly, the wiki site doesn’t “trace” back up to the Evergreen for Academics wiki page from the Agenda, if you’re linked directly to the agenda. |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
cool, I was just wondering. I gave a lighning talk at the last EG conferece to help rpomote the group |
| 14:41 |
rlefaive |
yboston++ |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
hmmm, it does tarce back to me |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
for me |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
Sorry, I was pulled into another discussion. September sounds good to me. |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
The trace shows you the path you took to get to that particular wiki page. |
| 14:42 |
kmlussier |
So it will be different for everyone |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
I can put a link to it goign forward |
| 14:42 |
rlefaive |
thanks! |
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| 14:44 |
yboston |
just tried, and the syntax was giving issues. will try later |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
any other questions or comments related to academics? |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
rlefaive: are you signed up to the EG general list? |
| 14:45 |
rlefaive |
yboston: as of today. |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
I guess there are not a lot of academic folks on that list |
| 14:45 |
rlefaive |
There do seem to be a lot of public libraries using EG… |
| 14:46 |
jihpringle |
yboston: I like the idea of having a meeting topic to encourage discussion |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
shoudl we give all of us an action item to come up with a topic for the September meeting? |
| 14:47 |
DonB_ |
What about the PAC flavor? |
| 14:47 |
DonB_ |
That was the question that garnered the most interest early on |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
we could pick that as a topic, but that would not get my vote |
| 14:48 |
DonB_ |
because ... ? |
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| 14:48 |
yboston |
I will explain |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
I think that instead of a academic PAC flavor we probably would be better off with changing a couple of OPAC defaults to behaviors that make academics happier |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
or have soem easy to activate "switches" or partial template files meant for academics that would just need to be activared |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
than maitaining a whole academic flavor |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
also, there should be longer documentation on how to customize a PAC for any type of library |
| 14:51 |
DonB_ |
Sounds like a good idea |
| 14:51 |
DonB_ |
Maybe those "switches" could be the topic? |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
I humbly thin, but I could be comoeltely wrong, that those ideas make for a better and more sutainanle "solution" to an academic PAC flavor |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
DonB_: absolutely |
| 14:52 |
jihpringle |
that sounds like a good first topic |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
BTW, just because I may not like a topic I did not mean that would keep it from being the one discussed |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
I would rather call it, what defaults do we want to change in EG or at least make them easier to change for academics |
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| 14:53 |
yboston |
I guess PAC flavor rolls of the tongue a bit easier :) |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
actually, related to this.... |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
I created this page: List of common academic minded Evergreen customizations |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:academic_customizations |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
to start listing the customizations that academics rutinely make in EG |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
I would love to have more folks add their changes here |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
these is what could become new EG defaults, or nehaviors that coudl be easily swapped in going forward |
| 14:56 |
DonB_ |
Would you like us to submit suggestions directly to you? |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
#idea promote this page on EG list http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:academic_customizations |
| 14:56 |
jihpringle |
I'm not sure what changes we've made but I'll find out and see what I can add before the September meeting |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
anyone with wiki rights can edit page |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
but, the syntax for code can be tricky, so I can help |
| 14:56 |
DonB_ |
You would then moderate it? |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
unofficially I guess |
| 14:57 |
DonB_ |
Keep DonB from dominating the page? ;-) |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
I thought about having a page for isntitutions that do a lot of cutomizations |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
DonB_: you could start that way |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
BTW, I need to head out to another meeting |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
any last comments or questions? |
| 14:59 |
DonB_ |
I like the idea about a page for isntitutions that do a lot of cutomizations a lot |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
OK folks, I am ending the meeting |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
gracias |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
#endmeeting |
| 14:59 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 14:59:20 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:59 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-09-14.01.html |
| 14:59 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-09-14.01.txt |
| 14:59 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-09-14.01.log.html |
| 15:01 |
Dyrcona |
edi-- |
| 15:02 |
Dyrcona |
It's 2015, why are we still using FTP? |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
Something fun I just poked through: https://code.launchpad.net/~bshum/evergreen/+git/evergreen |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
Launchpad now supports git repositories |
| 15:03 |
bshum |
Part of me is curious to see how far that extends and if there's any of way of coupling the git code and the translations better so that we avoid the extra bazaar steps during the i18n dance |
| 15:03 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 15:05 |
csharp |
edi-- |
| 15:05 |
csharp |
so is there a way for a circulation rule to have a duration rule of "unlimited"? |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
csharp: Well the item has to be due sometime. |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
It can't be NULL, for example. |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
So I guess I'd seek clarification on what "unlimited" really means |
| 15:07 |
csharp |
right, but we have a special case with talking book players for library for the blind patrons where we want it on the record that the person has it, but there's not actually a due date |
| 15:07 |
csharp |
ugh |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
csharp: In situations like that, I tend to go for insane time, like 999 days :) |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
With 999 renewals or whatever |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
I'm just making stuff up, of course. |
| 15:08 |
csharp |
this is something that was discussed to death several months ago and I don't know how we addressed that |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
Or you could always make a hard due date for that patron group and say item due 3000-01-01 |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
And call it a day. |
| 15:08 |
* csharp |
wishes he had full transcripts of every conversation he's ever head |
| 15:08 |
csharp |
had |
| 15:08 |
csharp |
oh wait - that's what brought Nixon down - nevermind |
| 15:21 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Could you treat it as a non-cataloged item? |
| 15:23 |
jeff |
iirc, non-cats have due dates, at which time they "disappear" from the patron account. |
| 15:23 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Create a duration rule with an interval of 1000 years. |
| 15:24 |
Dyrcona |
Create a patron group for your school for the blind patrons. |
| 15:24 |
Dyrcona |
Assign that duration rule to the appropriate item types for that patron group. |
| 15:24 |
bshum |
"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic." |
| 15:25 |
Dyrcona |
For certain values of a thousand and generations. :) |
| 15:25 |
jeff |
ERROR: invalid input syntax for type interval: "1000 generations" |
| 15:25 |
bshum |
jeff++ |
| 15:25 |
bshum |
Haha |
| 15:26 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 15:26 |
kmlussier |
They disappear from the patron view of the account, but you can still see them via the staff client. Of course, you have to click a special button to see them. |
| 15:26 |
Dyrcona |
a belated csharp++ for the Nixon comment. |
| 15:28 |
* jeff |
kicks the tires on new self checkout software from vendor 3, one ticket at a time |
| 15:28 |
jeffdavis |
I see DonB_ left immediately; I was going to point him at http://mfeldstein.com/community-source-dead/ and http://www.dr-chuck.com/csev-blog/2014/09/how-to-achieve-vendor-lock-in-with-a-legit-open-source-license-affero-gpl/ re: Kuali |
| 15:29 |
bshum |
jeffdavis++ |
| 15:29 |
* Dyrcona |
lets the entropy soak in and quickly goes mad. |
| 15:30 |
kmlussier |
@swill Dyrcona |
| 15:30 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs a can of Sparks and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis++ # for now and for earlier |
| 15:30 |
kmlussier |
Ewwww! Sorry about the Sparks. |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I just had orange mango something, and thought it would have been better without the mango. |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
I have to laugh, though. |
| 15:31 |
jboyer-isl |
Orange and pineapple is where it's at. |
| 15:33 |
pdot2 |
ha, so my barcode woes are attributed to me trying to use my own barcode system.. a code from the local library seems to work well :) |
| 15:33 |
pdot2 |
next question, how do I eliminate fines? (i.e. make them nothing globally on all items) |
| 15:37 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: You might want to look at this document on setting up circ policies - http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.8/_borrowing_items_who_what_for_how_long.html |
| 15:40 |
pdot2 |
kmussier: thanks yet again! I'm going to read the 2.8.2 doc end to end before posting anything else :) |
| 15:42 |
kmlussier |
pdot2: Some of those docs I've been pointing you to came from a book writting for people just setting up Evergreen for their first time. It's a little dated, but it might come in handy for your purposes. |
| 15:42 |
kmlussier |
http://evergreen-ils.org/book |
| 15:42 |
pdot2 |
ah, the version mismatch had me wondering. I'll keep that in mind |
| 15:43 |
kmlussier |
You can't buy it anymore, but the free, electronic copy should be available. |
| 15:44 |
pdot2 |
sure is, http://flossmanuals.net/evergreen-in-action/ |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
pdot2: We're a consortium of 36 libraries who mostly agreed on some "ground rules" for circulation. |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
pdot2: We setup some matchpoints for those ground rules, and then where the members have different rules become like excpetions. |
| 15:54 |
jeff |
sometiems when dealing with larger vendors i want to ask them to put me in touch with the support department that deals with libraries that actually care about operations and customer service, etc. |
| 15:55 |
jeff |
because it strikes me that when dealing with some of these folk, they really think i could care less about my patrons, or about planning significant service changes, etc. |
| 15:55 |
jeff |
</vague> :P |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: https://xkcd.com/806/ |
| 15:57 |
phasefx |
haha |
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| 16:05 |
kmlussier |
Huh. Looks like I gave a wrong answer in here a few days ago regarding how you can prevent users from changing their passwords. |
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| 16:07 |
jeff |
hrm. the intended channel for that rant was over thataway. |
| 16:07 |
jeff |
sorry! |
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| 16:14 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: i somewhat intentionally invoked that method on a support call the other day... with a phone company. |
| 16:16 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: it boiled down to a namedrop of their senior engineer, but his name ended up being mentioned in the ticket and 10 minutes later i had another guy calling me back fixing the problem, and a third employee on irc saying "hah! i think you're on the phone with PERSON2. 'customer talked with PERSON1' was a big giveaway" |
| 16:16 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 16:25 |
* mmorgan |
is curious: What's everyone's preferred OS and platform (desktop,laptop,etc.) for your "work" workstation? |
| 16:26 |
jlitrell |
Gentoo for evah. :-D |
| 16:28 |
bshum |
mmorgan: mostly I used Ubuntu desktop (latest releases), but recently I've wandered to evil land under the throes of Windows 8. |
| 16:28 |
bshum |
I keep meaning to go back though... |
| 16:29 |
* bshum |
was brainwashed to enjoy using Unity. |
| 16:29 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan: I'm currently using Ubuntu 14.04, but I've used Slackware, Debian, and FreeBSD for workstations/laptops in the past. |
| 16:30 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, I've used Red Hat, pre-Fedora Core on a laptop for a while. |
| 16:30 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: I'm on Linux Mint, but you already knew that. :) |
| 16:31 |
mmorgan |
This is all very interesting. I've actually wanted to ask this question for a while (as I type away on my *gulp* Windows XP workstation) |
| 16:31 |
jboyer-isl |
Mac OSX, Windows 8/10, and very occasionally NetBSD (running the latest KDE in pkgsrc). I don't actually like Linux as a workstation all that much. :) |
| 16:32 |
jboyer-isl |
And with that inflammatory remark, I must away! |
| 16:32 |
bshum |
If Powershell ever got a proper ssh client connection I might defect for awhile... |
| 16:32 |
Dyrcona |
Err... I've used Windows, Mac System 7, and Mac OS X, also. |
| 16:32 |
* bshum |
loves his gnome terminal |
| 16:33 |
* bshum |
hates putty |
| 16:33 |
* Dyrcona |
really liked BlackBox WM with rxvt on FreeBSD. |
| 16:33 |
kmlussier |
jlitrell: The results of the survey on linux distros I just mentioned to you a few minutes ago - http://edoceo.com/pub/egd.html |
| 16:33 |
Dyrcona |
But BlackBox is no more, and replaced by OpenBox. |
| 16:33 |
jlitrell |
kmlussier: Awesome, thanks. :) |
| 16:33 |
kmlussier |
jlitrell and I just happened to be talking about distros for Evergreen when mmorgan asked her question. :) |
| 16:34 |
Dyrcona |
That's a bit old, that survey. |
| 16:34 |
bshum |
kmlussier: Hmm that survey is wrong |
| 16:34 |
bshum |
It used to have more even between Ubuntu and Debian |
| 16:34 |
kmlussier |
It is a bit old. But it's the one I found in the old email thread. |
| 16:34 |
bshum |
Maybe something is wrong with the data. |
| 16:34 |
kmlussier |
http://georgialibraries.markmail.org/search/?q=survey+distributions#query:survey%20distributions+page:1+mid:6w56bgogb4475nqr+state:results |
| 16:35 |
bshum |
I mean no Ubuntu 12.04? |
| 16:35 |
kmlussier |
bshum: But you're right! It was a lot more even than that. I wonder what happened. |
| 16:35 |
berick |
Dyrcona: i used to love blackbox, too |
| 16:35 |
bshum |
That has to be a mistake right? |
| 16:36 |
bshum |
By 2013, we should have been on 12.04 at Bibliomation. |
| 16:36 |
Dyrcona |
berick: I'm considering setting up a new environment with openbox, but have been for so long, it likely will not happen. |
| 16:36 |
kmlussier |
Unfortunately, we don't see much of edoceo in here anymore. |
| 16:36 |
bshum |
Time to commission a new survey then, obviously. |
| 16:37 |
berick |
Dyrcona: if you do, let me know how it goes ;) |
| 16:37 |
* Dyrcona |
has tried quite a few window managers over the years. |
| 16:37 |
mmorgan |
I also use a Mac, and tried Ubuntu a long while back but couldn't get into it at the time. Time to shop for a new OS :) |
| 16:38 |
bshum |
The newest Mac OS X gave me a bad feeling. |
| 16:38 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: you may notice a change on my development vm. I just made a hidden aou visible and some other stuff. |
| 16:38 |
bshum |
It's not a tangible reason I can specify per say. But it just bothered me. |
| 16:39 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: OK, thanks for the heads up. |
| 16:39 |
kmlussier |
bshum: I think it would be wortwhile to do that survey on a regular basis. |
| 16:39 |
mmorgan |
I haven't upgraded my personal Mac to the latest yet. I don't like it when all the icons get all flat looking :-(. |
| 16:40 |
bshum |
mmorgan: you know what, now that you mention it, that did rile me too. |
| 16:40 |
* mmorgan |
doesn't like my icons too flat or too puffy ;-) |
| 16:50 |
kmlussier |
Ooh! I just noticed the Holdings View on webby. |
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bshum |
Sweet |
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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
| 17:57 |
gsams |
mmorgan: Not that it's really anything to base things on, but I run Windows 7/8 on my desktop/laptop respectively. I can't really get used to most of the linux distros, and I rely too much on my current workflow to make that sort of change just yet. |
| 18:01 |
gsams |
I do like all of the operating systems that I've tried for various reasons though, not that there have been a lot of them |
| 18:04 |
dbwells |
bshum: just curious, what do you not like about PuTTY? |
| 18:05 |
bshum |
dbwells: It's tiny things, like how to copy/paste text from the screens there |
| 18:05 |
bshum |
Pasting is simple actually, it's the copying that annoys me sometimes. |
| 18:06 |
bshum |
My gut reaction to when I want to copy something is to right click and select copy from a menu or something. |
| 18:06 |
bshum |
Which of course, right clicking in putty pastes something instead. |
| 18:06 |
jeff |
...which will paste in most X-like environments |
| 18:06 |
jeff |
(and putty, which by default emulates that behavior) |
| 18:06 |
bshum |
Right. |
| 18:07 |
bshum |
It's not the end of the world, it's just tiny things like that which will slowly drive me insane every time I spend longer than 5 minutes with Putty. |
| 18:07 |
bshum |
Otherwise, sure, for a quick login and "OMG SHUT IT DOWN", then sure, it works perfectly fine :) |
| 18:07 |
jeff |
i've been using iTerm2, JuiceSSH, and the Mosh chrome plugin more than PuTTY lately, but that's mostly because I've not been using Windows much. |
| 18:08 |
jeff |
mostly mosh as the transport in all three there, but sometimes falling back to straight-up ssh. |
| 18:08 |
bshum |
jeff: I'm certainly enjoying mosh on my phone. |
| 18:08 |
jeff |
i've been slowly transitioning from screen to tmux also. |
| 18:08 |
dbwells |
bshum: You don't like the "select stuff, it's copied" principle? I always thought it was handy, except when an errant click destroys my very careful selection. |
| 18:08 |
bshum |
And JuiceSSH is awesome. |
| 18:10 |
bshum |
dbwells: Sure, that makes sense. Like I said it's just bad muscle memory from doing it a different way forever. :( |
| 18:11 |
bshum |
I should give it a fairer shake sometime. |
| 18:11 |
bshum |
When I'm not disgruntled |
| 18:11 |
jeff |
heh. pretty sure i got to use the term "muscle memory" in the newspaper back when we migrated to Evergreen |
| 18:11 |
jeff |
sometimes that is a band-aid that needs to be torn off. :-) |
| 18:11 |
jeff |
(to keep the metaphors going) |
| 18:11 |
dbwells |
Yeah, it is weird. Can't count the number of times I've simply selected text in a different program then tried to paste it in somewhere, only to find that just selecting text in most Windows software does nothing :) |
| 18:13 |
bshum |
I always want to hit CTRL+C or CTRL+SHIFT+C every other time. |
| 18:13 |
bshum |
Or right click and look for a "copy" option, heh |
| 18:14 |
bshum |
Oh well. |
| 18:15 |
dbwells |
Yeah, CTRL+C is a bad clash of worlds every once in a while for me, but that's not PuTTY specific :) |
| 18:16 |
dbwells |
"well, while that runs, let me just copy this filename and... ah, dangit" |
| 18:16 |
bshum |
Hehe |
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kmlussier |
When I was using putty, I grew to love the ability to copy just by highlighting. |
| 19:39 |
kmlussier |
@developer |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Communication:13, BigPicture:13, DetailOriented:10, KungFu:14, GetsStuffDone:16, FlakeFactor:14, JavaAvoidance:6 |
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jlitrell |
Java: Write once, blood EVERYWHERE |
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