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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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Dyrcona |
Hello, #evergreen! |
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mmorgan |
Good morning! |
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Dyrcona |
I am very likely to push berick's code on lp 1312308 by noon EDT today. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1312308 in Evergreen "time to remove script-based circ policies" (affected: 3, heat: 20) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308 |
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rfrasur |
It finally happened. I stopped being nice to cold call sales people. |
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rfrasur |
It tooks 3 years 10 months. |
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| 10:39 |
gsams |
rfrasur: They've started suggesting that I have been waiting for their calls, my front desk staff check with me and then hang up on them after telling them off. |
| 10:40 |
gsams |
I don't do cold calls, and if they do get ahold of me I play with them to waste their time (when it happens to be convenient to me anyway.) |
| 10:40 |
rfrasur |
;), I happened to be answering the phones this morning. |
| 10:40 |
gsams |
Yeah, that is usually when they get me too! |
| 10:40 |
rfrasur |
Our phone system only allows for transfers...so they get me more often than not anyway for a variety of reasons that are perhaps uncharitable to staff. |
| 10:42 |
rfrasur |
I used to listen to their schpiel and give a reasoned reply. And then I evolved to telling them when they could call me. They didn't call me based on what I said...so then I started explaining that I wouldn't be doing with business with people that didn't respect what I'd said...and then...I just started hanging up. |
| 10:42 |
rfrasur |
It took awhile. I wanted to be nice. I wanted to take into account that they're just trying to pay the bills. |
| 10:43 |
gsams |
rfrasur: that sounds kind of like what happened to me over the past 8 years of fielding calls on behalf of the boss, then I became the boss and I understood it. |
| 10:43 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, when we screened calls for my former boss, I kinda got it...but not really. Now I do. Really well. |
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* Dyrcona |
has been working with computers for too long. |
| 10:57 |
rfrasur |
What would you prefer to do, Dyrcona? |
| 10:57 |
Dyrcona |
Nothing at all. ;) |
| 10:58 |
Dyrcona |
Or, everything. |
| 10:58 |
rfrasur |
lol, no way. We're ALWAYS doing something. |
| 10:58 |
rfrasur |
Yeah. Everything. |
| 10:58 |
gsams |
Dyrcona++ #That sounds like the way things are. |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
But I was going to say that output like this makes me smile for an odd (actually "even") reason: |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
bck.xml 100% 2048 2.0KB/s 00:00 |
| 11:00 |
rfrasur |
I dunno what it means other than it looks particularly uncluttered and straightforward (I hope that's not a transfer speed). |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
The file's size is "perfect." |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
A power of 2. |
| 11:01 |
rfrasur |
It is. |
| 11:02 |
rfrasur |
I don't think that means you've been working with computers too long. I think it means you've found beauty in the system. |
| 11:02 |
* rfrasur |
is mildly embarrassed by fractal philosophy. |
| 11:10 |
rfrasur |
Ugh. Someone please do a miracle so that I can get retirement benefits for my employees. Please? Thank you. |
| 11:16 |
mrpeters |
rfrasur: go solar powered at your library like Mary did...i enjoyed hearing her on the commercials all month during the Indy 500 :) |
| 11:16 |
mrpeters |
I was like, hey! Wait! I know that voice! |
| 11:16 |
rfrasur |
Um. My annual operating budget is $270k |
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* rfrasur |
just wants to offer staff PERF. |
| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Looks like I won't get to pushing that branch until this afternoon. |
| 11:21 |
Dyrcona |
I want to write a blog post first, so I can publish it after. |
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* rfrasur |
turns on a dime and goes to lead Lunch Bunch Book Group. |
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bshum |
csharp: For giggles, my time for explain on the query you attached to bug 1469758 was ~1000 ms. |
| 12:16 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1469758 in Evergreen "Simplified Pull List Interface query is very slow" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469758 |
| 12:17 |
bshum |
But I do notice that we have lots less rows in our tables than yours apparently does based on your output. |
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| 12:27 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
CTE scan |
| 12:28 |
bshum |
Wonders what this is all about... CTE anscestor_depth |
| 12:29 |
bshum |
First of all, that's spelled wrong. |
| 12:30 |
bshum |
Interesting |
| 12:32 |
bshum |
http://pastie.org/10266548 |
| 12:32 |
bshum |
That's ours, anyways |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
So in ours, we don't seem to run through that |
| 12:41 |
bshum |
Sequential scan on copy acp |
| 12:41 |
bshum |
Ouch |
| 12:42 |
bshum |
Seq Scan on copy acp (over 11 million rows) |
| 12:42 |
bshum |
Ours is an index scan using copy_pkey on copy acp |
| 12:42 |
bshum |
csharp: I wonder if maybe you've got an index issue or your query is not using the indexes for some reason.. |
| 12:45 |
bshum |
miker++ # open source > "community source" |
| 12:48 |
bshum |
csharp: Both of us have a seq scan on usr au there too, yours takes longer of course cause you have more users than Biblio does |
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* bshum |
wanders off to go board his plane back to the east. |
| 13:04 |
bshum |
Or my flight could be 45 minutes delayed.... Boo... |
| 13:04 |
mmorgan |
:-( |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
:( |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
So, I can't find the release when we first considered the javascript circ and hold scripts to be deprecated. |
| 13:12 |
Dyrcona |
I see that their official removal was added to the 2.7 roadmap, but the decision to get rid of them happened before that. |
| 13:12 |
Dyrcona |
For some reason, I think it was around 2.2 or 2.4 that the decision was made, but Google isn't helping. |
| 13:13 |
bshum |
2.4 |
| 13:13 |
bshum |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312308 |
| 13:13 |
bshum |
It's in the description. |
| 13:14 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1312308 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308). The error has been logged |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
Hmmmmmm |
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* bshum |
kicks pinesol_green |
| 13:14 |
Dyrcona |
JSPAC was officially deprecated then. |
| 13:14 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
Bucket ol' bolts |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
Oh damnit. |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
You're right. |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2013-03-12 |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
We discussed it during 2.4 era |
| 13:17 |
Dyrcona |
thanks, bshum. |
| 13:17 |
Dyrcona |
I was looking for something in the release notes, those references will do. |
| 13:17 |
bshum |
Yeah the notes for that meeting mention an agreement to deprecate in 2.4. With removal by 2.6 |
| 13:18 |
bshum |
Which obviously removal is happening soon ;) |
| 13:19 |
Dyrcona |
Today if all goes well. Three releases late, but that happens. |
| 13:19 |
bshum |
Important part is that it happens. |
| 13:19 |
bshum |
Yay! :) |
| 13:26 |
Dyrcona |
So, the decision to deprecate scripted circ by 2.4 and remove by 2.6 was made in the meeting, but never made it to the official minutes or the 2.4 release notes. |
| 13:26 |
Dyrcona |
First time it appears to show up officially is the 2.7 road map. |
| 13:28 |
bshum |
Yeah I think I was just hoping to get that going again. |
| 13:28 |
bshum |
I vaguely remember it being some talk on the way back from dinner at Code4Lib or something. |
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rfrasur |
There is little joy like reading a difficult book to kids and actually have them pay attention to it. And ask questions. And come back for more. |
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jeff |
rfrasur++ nice! :-) |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
We're going to make tesseracts next time :D |
| 14:28 |
rfrasur |
simple ones |
| 14:28 |
jeff |
The problem with only ever using a given interface/feature once every year or so... when you find it broken, you've no idea when it broke! :-) |
| 14:28 |
jeff |
(unrelated to tesseracts) |
| 14:29 |
rfrasur |
No way. All things are related to tesseracts. And you're right anyway. |
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jboyer-isl |
rfrasur: did you find some plans for a 3D version of a tesseract or did you come up with something yourself? |
| 14:45 |
rfrasur |
We're going to build it using toothpicks and marshmallows. The colored ones so they're yummier to eat when we're done. |
| 14:45 |
jboyer-isl |
neat |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
So...yes, 3D...and very analog. |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
and yummy |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
(too bad we couldn't make one out of sushi) |
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jboyer-isl |
That might not be as well received among the target age group. ;) (Although... more sushi for you, so hmm.) |
| 14:47 |
rfrasur |
Exactly! |
| 14:48 |
rfrasur |
I'm trying to start a trend (that no one but me cares about) called "car sushi." It involves grocery store sushi and eating it in the car on the way home so you don't have to share. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
My trying only involves me buying grocery store sushi, eating it in the car on the way home, and then telling people about it. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
It's pretty grassroots. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
(seaweedroots) |
| 14:53 |
jboyer-isl |
Grocery store sushi can also add some excitement, "am I going to get a little sick, or a lot sick, from this?" |
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Dyrcona |
heh. That's a fun line to come back to. |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
lol, well...true. But, I figure we have miraculous stomachs...so it's worth it. And I actually try to go when the guys preparing it are making it fresh (there's a VERY nice Kroger in Oxford, OH). |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
And I'm not against a little food poisoning now and then, so long as it's moderate. |
| 14:55 |
Dyrcona |
@quote add <rfrasur> And I'm not against a little food poisoning now and then, so long as it's moderate. |
| 14:55 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. Quote #120 added. |
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rjackson_isl |
sounds like a diet fad! |
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rfrasur |
rjackson_isl: It probably has been. I think it'd have to be something more than moderate to be effective though. |
| 15:08 |
Dyrcona |
@quote random |
| 15:08 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Quote #46: "<_bott_> I am not a cataloger, but I speak enough MARC to be fun at parties" (added by gmcharlt at 11:43 AM, March 15, 2013) |
| 15:18 |
rfrasur |
Is 2016 Evergreen's birthday/anniversary? |
| 15:21 |
jboyer-isl |
Feels like one of those comes around every year. (did you mean Evergreen's Xth birthday/anniversary? ;) ) |
| 15:21 |
rfrasur |
Oh...yes. 10th. |
| 15:21 |
rfrasur |
sorry...doing too many things. |
| 15:24 |
remingtron |
According to evergreen-history.txt, the project was birthed in 2004 as a one-year test, OpenSRF 0.1 and Evergreen alpha were released in 2005, and Georgia PINES went live on Evergreen in 2006. |
| 15:24 |
remingtron |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=history.git;a=blob;f=evergreen-history.txt;h=3f8fd4147bf3c58aa3f504480bef8e25078dd9a2;hb=HEAD |
| 15:24 |
jboyer-isl |
Seems to depend on if you want to know how old the oldest code is or when it was put into production use. |
| 15:24 |
jboyer-isl |
Ah, like remingtron says. :) |
| 15:24 |
rfrasur |
Production. Oldest code won't mean much to most librarians. |
| 15:25 |
jboyer-isl |
looks like 2006 wins then. |
| 15:25 |
rfrasur |
(plus that's in the future...rather than the past) |
| 15:27 |
remingtron |
rfrasur: you could still celebrate the alpha release on 7/27, but 1.0 would give us time to plan a big party :) |
| 15:27 |
rfrasur |
I think a bigger party is warranted. |
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rfrasur |
When the 25th anniversary of the alpha release rolls around, then would be a good time to get super nostalgic...but not yet. We're still talkin' school age birthdays. That basically just means cake, presents and drinks for the adults afterward. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
Aha! |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I misspoke earlier. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I did find mention of the deprecation of legacy circ scripts in the meeting minutes. I just didn't see it earlier today. |
| 15:46 |
* Dyrcona |
has been going from task to task throughout the day. |
| 15:48 |
* rfrasur |
deletes Confucian saying and goes back #$%in' employee scheduling. |
| 15:51 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 15:53 |
rfrasur |
There are things that are great about administration and things that aren't. I hate scheduling so very much. And the Amazon bill. |
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kmlussier |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Quote #68: "<senator> what a nice smile, dojo. why thank you, angularjs, and that's a nice outfit you're wearing." (added by gmcharlt at 10:52 AM, September 27, 2013) |
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jwoodard |
The summer sun shines, The clanging of the book drop, Librarians hide |
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jwoodard |
my day in a haiku |
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kmlussier |
jwoodard++ |
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