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04:59 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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08:45 Dyrcona Hello, #evergreen!
08:47 mmorgan Good morning!
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08:53 Dyrcona I am very likely to push berick's code on lp 1312308 by noon EDT today.
08:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1312308 in Evergreen "time to remove script-based circ policies" (affected: 3, heat: 20) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308
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09:44 rfrasur It finally happened.  I stopped being nice to cold call sales people.
09:44 rfrasur It tooks 3 years 10 months.
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10:39 gsams rfrasur: They've started suggesting that I have been waiting for their calls, my front desk staff check with me and then hang up on them after telling them off.
10:40 gsams I don't do cold calls, and if they do get ahold of me I play with them to waste their time (when it happens to be convenient to me anyway.)
10:40 rfrasur ;), I happened to be answering the phones this morning.
10:40 gsams Yeah, that is usually when they get me too!
10:40 rfrasur Our phone system only allows for transfers...so they get me more often than not anyway for a variety of reasons that are perhaps uncharitable to staff.
10:42 rfrasur I used to listen to their schpiel and give a reasoned reply.  And then I evolved to telling them when they could call me.  They didn't call me based on what I said...so then I started explaining that I wouldn't be doing with business with people that didn't respect what I'd said...and then...I just started hanging up.
10:42 rfrasur It took awhile.  I wanted to be nice.  I wanted to take into account that they're just trying to pay the bills.
10:43 gsams rfrasur: that sounds kind of like what happened to me over the past 8 years of fielding calls on behalf of the boss, then I became the boss and I understood it.
10:43 rfrasur Yeah, when we screened calls for my former boss, I kinda got it...but not really.  Now I do.  Really well.
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10:57 * Dyrcona has been working with computers for too long.
10:57 rfrasur What would you prefer to do, Dyrcona?
10:57 Dyrcona Nothing at all. ;)
10:58 Dyrcona Or, everything.
10:58 rfrasur lol, no way.  We're ALWAYS doing something.
10:58 rfrasur Yeah.  Everything.
10:58 gsams Dyrcona++ #That sounds like the way things are.
10:59 Dyrcona But I was going to say  that output like this makes me smile for an odd (actually "even") reason:
10:59 Dyrcona bck.xml                                       100% 2048     2.0KB/s   00:00
11:00 rfrasur I dunno what it means other than it looks particularly uncluttered and straightforward (I hope that's not a transfer speed).
11:01 Dyrcona The file's size is "perfect."
11:01 Dyrcona A power of 2.
11:01 rfrasur It is.
11:02 rfrasur I don't think that means you've been working with computers too long.  I think it means you've found beauty in the system.
11:02 * rfrasur is mildly embarrassed by fractal philosophy.
11:10 rfrasur Ugh.  Someone please do a miracle so that I can get retirement benefits for my employees.  Please?  Thank you.
11:16 mrpeters rfrasur: go solar powered at your library like Mary did...i enjoyed hearing her on the commercials all month during the Indy 500 :)
11:16 mrpeters I was like, hey!  Wait!  I know that voice!
11:16 rfrasur Um.  My annual operating budget is $270k
11:17 * rfrasur just wants to offer staff PERF.
11:20 Dyrcona Hmm. Looks like I won't get to pushing that branch until this afternoon.
11:21 Dyrcona I want to write a blog post first, so I can publish it after.
11:26 * rfrasur turns on a dime and goes to lead Lunch Bunch Book Group.
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12:16 bshum csharp: For giggles, my time for explain on the query you attached to bug 1469758 was ~1000 ms.
12:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1469758 in Evergreen "Simplified Pull List Interface query is very slow" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469758
12:17 bshum But I do notice that we have lots less rows in our tables than yours apparently does based on your output.
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12:27 bshum Hmm
12:27 bshum CTE scan
12:28 bshum Wonders what this is all about... CTE anscestor_depth
12:29 bshum First of all, that's spelled wrong.
12:30 bshum Interesting
12:32 bshum http://pastie.org/10266548
12:32 bshum That's ours, anyways
12:38 bshum So in ours, we don't seem to run through that
12:41 bshum Sequential scan on copy acp
12:41 bshum Ouch
12:42 bshum Seq Scan on copy acp (over 11 million rows)
12:42 bshum Ours is an index scan using copy_pkey on copy acp
12:42 bshum csharp: I wonder if maybe you've got an index issue or your query is not using the indexes for some reason..
12:45 bshum miker++ # open source > "community source"
12:48 bshum csharp: Both of us have a seq scan on usr au there too, yours takes longer of course cause you have more users than Biblio does
12:58 * bshum wanders off to go board his plane back to the east.
13:04 bshum Or my flight could be 45 minutes delayed.... Boo...
13:04 mmorgan :-(
13:11 Dyrcona :(
13:11 Dyrcona So, I can't find the release when we first considered the javascript circ and hold scripts to be deprecated.
13:12 Dyrcona I see that their official removal was added to the 2.7 roadmap, but the decision to get rid of them happened before that.
13:12 Dyrcona For some reason, I think it was around 2.2 or 2.4 that the decision was made, but Google isn't helping.
13:13 bshum 2.4
13:13 bshum https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312308
13:13 bshum It's in the description.
13:14 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1312308 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308). The error has been logged
13:14 bshum Hmmmmmm
13:14 * bshum kicks pinesol_green
13:14 Dyrcona JSPAC was officially deprecated then.
13:14 Dyrcona heh.
13:14 bshum Bucket ol' bolts
13:14 bshum Oh damnit.
13:14 bshum You're right.
13:16 bshum http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=dev:meetings:2013-03-12
13:16 bshum We discussed it during 2.4 era
13:17 Dyrcona thanks, bshum.
13:17 Dyrcona I was looking for something in the release notes, those references will do.
13:17 bshum Yeah the notes for that meeting mention an agreement to deprecate in 2.4. With removal by 2.6
13:18 bshum Which obviously removal is happening soon ;)
13:19 Dyrcona Today if all goes well. Three releases late, but that happens.
13:19 bshum Important part is that it happens.
13:19 bshum Yay! :)
13:26 Dyrcona So, the decision to deprecate scripted circ by 2.4 and remove by 2.6 was made in the meeting, but never made it to the official minutes or the 2.4 release notes.
13:26 Dyrcona First time it appears to show up officially is the 2.7 road map.
13:28 bshum Yeah I think I was just hoping to get that going again.
13:28 bshum I vaguely remember it being some talk on the way back from dinner at Code4Lib or something.
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14:12 rfrasur There is little joy like reading a difficult book to kids and actually have them pay attention to it.  And ask questions.  And come back for more.
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14:27 jeff rfrasur++ nice! :-)
14:27 rfrasur We're going to make tesseracts next time :D
14:28 rfrasur simple ones
14:28 jeff The problem with only ever using a given interface/feature once every year or so... when you find it broken, you've no idea when it broke! :-)
14:28 jeff (unrelated to tesseracts)
14:29 rfrasur No way.  All things are related to tesseracts.  And you're right anyway.
14:45 jboyer-isl rfrasur: did you find some plans for a 3D version of a tesseract or did you come up with something yourself?
14:45 rfrasur We're going to build it using toothpicks and marshmallows.  The colored ones so they're yummier to eat when we're done.
14:45 jboyer-isl neat
14:46 rfrasur So...yes, 3D...and very analog.
14:46 rfrasur and yummy
14:46 rfrasur (too bad we couldn't make one out of sushi)
14:47 jboyer-isl That might not be as well received among the target age group. ;) (Although... more sushi for you, so hmm.)
14:47 rfrasur Exactly!
14:48 rfrasur I'm trying to start a trend (that no one but me cares about) called "car sushi."  It involves grocery store sushi and eating it in the car on the way home so you don't have to share.
14:49 rfrasur My trying only involves me buying grocery store sushi, eating it in the car on the way home, and then telling people about it.
14:49 rfrasur It's pretty grassroots.
14:49 rfrasur (seaweedroots)
14:53 jboyer-isl Grocery store sushi can also add some excitement, "am I going to get a little sick, or a lot sick, from this?"
14:53 Dyrcona heh. That's a fun line to come back to.
14:54 rfrasur lol, well...true.  But, I figure we have miraculous stomachs...so it's worth it.  And I actually try to go when the guys preparing it are making it fresh (there's a VERY nice Kroger in Oxford, OH).
14:54 rfrasur And I'm not against a little food poisoning now and then, so long as it's moderate.
14:55 Dyrcona @quote add <rfrasur> And I'm not against a little food poisoning now and then, so long as it's moderate.
14:55 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.  Quote #120 added.
14:56 rjackson_isl sounds like a diet fad!
14:56 rfrasur rjackson_isl: It probably has been.  I think it'd have to be something more than moderate to be effective though.
15:08 Dyrcona @quote random
15:08 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Quote #46: "<_bott_> I am not a cataloger, but I speak enough MARC to be fun at parties" (added by gmcharlt at 11:43 AM, March 15, 2013)
15:18 rfrasur Is 2016 Evergreen's birthday/anniversary?
15:21 jboyer-isl Feels like one of those comes around every year. (did you mean Evergreen's Xth birthday/anniversary? ;) )
15:21 rfrasur Oh...yes.  10th.
15:21 rfrasur sorry...doing too many things.
15:24 remingtron According to evergreen-history.txt, the project was birthed in 2004 as a one-year test, OpenSRF 0.1 and Evergreen alpha were released in 2005, and Georgia PINES went live on Evergreen in 2006.
15:24 remingtron http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=history.gi​t;a=blob;f=evergreen-history.txt;h=3f8fd41​47bf3c58aa3f504480bef8e25078dd9a2;hb=HEAD
15:24 jboyer-isl Seems to depend on if you want to know how old the oldest code is or when it was put into production use.
15:24 jboyer-isl Ah, like remingtron says. :)
15:24 rfrasur Production.  Oldest code won't mean much to most librarians.
15:25 jboyer-isl looks like 2006 wins then.
15:25 rfrasur (plus that's in the future...rather than the past)
15:27 remingtron rfrasur: you could still celebrate the alpha release on 7/27, but 1.0 would give us time to plan a big party :)
15:27 rfrasur I think a bigger party is warranted.
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15:30 rfrasur When the 25th anniversary of the alpha release rolls around, then would be a good time to get super nostalgic...but not yet.  We're still talkin' school age birthdays.  That basically just means cake, presents and drinks for the adults afterward.
15:45 Dyrcona Aha!
15:45 Dyrcona I misspoke earlier.
15:45 Dyrcona I did find mention of the deprecation of legacy circ scripts in the meeting minutes. I just didn't see it earlier today.
15:46 * Dyrcona has been going from task to task throughout the day.
15:48 * rfrasur deletes Confucian saying and goes back #$%in' employee scheduling.
15:51 Dyrcona :)
15:53 rfrasur There are things that are great about administration and things that aren't.  I hate scheduling so very much.  And the Amazon bill.
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17:49 kmlussier @quote random
17:49 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #68: "<senator> what a nice smile, dojo. why thank you, angularjs, and that's a nice outfit you're wearing." (added by gmcharlt at 10:52 AM, September 27, 2013)
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18:56 jwoodard The summer sun shines, The clanging of the book drop, Librarians hide
18:57 jwoodard my day in a haiku
19:07 kmlussier jwoodard++
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