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| 00:02 |
bshum |
@later tell terran Aha, from the #evgils vault, https://twitter.com/smkvt/status/63353498598780928 -- the PINES cats! |
| 00:02 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:03 |
kmlussier |
My daughter still has that cat. |
| 00:04 |
jeff |
pretty sure they were gone before i got there. |
| 00:04 |
bshum |
Mine is sitting on my desk at home next to the rest of my stuff. |
| 00:04 |
bshum |
I should move it to the shelf of things |
| 00:07 |
kmlussier |
I was going to poke at release notes tonight, but I just realized I'm exhausted. I guess I'll call it a day. |
| 00:07 |
bshum |
Or at least let my penguins make friends with the kitten. |
| 00:07 |
kmlussier |
heh |
| 00:08 |
kmlussier |
Have a nice night guys! |
| 00:08 |
bshum |
Goodnight! |
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| 09:25 |
mmorgan |
@coffee |
| 09:25 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Colombia Finca Cerro Azul, and sends it sliding down the bar to mmorgan |
| 09:26 |
mmorgan |
The virtual coffee sounds way better than my actual coffee :-( |
| 09:27 |
Dyrcona |
@tea |
| 09:27 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Bio Pao Chung Pouchong, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://ratetea.com/tea/teehaus-bachfischer/bio-pao-chung-pouchong/7609/) |
| 09:33 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: The one thing I can say about this week is that I have been enjoying some very good coffee. Not the virtual kind, either. :) |
| 09:34 |
mmorgan |
And lots of good information by the sound of it! Is it local coffee? |
| 09:35 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: I'm guessing it is. I tend to gravitate towards small coffeehouses |
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* mmorgan |
needs to visit more local coffeehouses. |
| 09:37 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier: When does your conference end? |
| 09:37 |
kmlussier |
Today is my last day at Open Source Bridge. It continues tomorrow, but I'll be heading to SF in the morning for ALA. |
| 09:37 |
mmorgan |
Very busy week! |
| 09:38 |
kmlussier |
By which time I hope to be operating on West Coast time. |
| 09:50 |
* mmorgan |
's fingers are not working this morning. "workded" isn't a word, and there's no asset.coopy table :-( |
| 09:56 |
jboyer-isl |
asset.coopy sounds like a nerdy place to get egggs. :D |
| 09:57 |
csharp |
kmlussier: how goes the outreach? |
| 09:58 |
csharp |
asset.coopy++ #evergreen-ilsjokes |
| 09:59 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Good, I think! We seem to have everything lined up, though I'm sure we're forgetting something. |
| 10:00 |
csharp |
kmlussier: awesome |
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| 11:13 |
Stompro |
Gaaaahhh, an excavator pulled all the phone and data cabling out of one of our largest branches yesterday and 5pm, pulling the PBX off of the wall and damaging it. "I was told all this cabling was garbage" quote the driver. |
| 11:14 |
bshum |
Oops. |
| 11:15 |
yboston |
wow |
| 11:15 |
Dyrcona |
yipe. |
| 11:22 |
jeff |
"well, it is now." -- coworker |
| 11:24 |
jonadab |
Indeed. |
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| 11:33 |
Stompro |
yboston, docs question for you, I just saw that Angela pushed some docs to rel_2_6, which I thought wasn't getting any more updates. Are doc updates considered ok to push to older branches? |
| 11:34 |
yboston |
great question |
| 11:34 |
yboston |
for docuemntation we follow looser rules than code committers |
| 11:35 |
yboston |
when applicable a lot of us that have git access for docs |
| 11:35 |
yboston |
will go back and back port docs to older versions |
| 11:35 |
kmlussier |
Overall, I try to backport just to supported releases. But I don't have any objections when people backport further. |
| 11:35 |
berick |
to clarify, pushing changes to 2.6 is not against any rules. we're just not officially maintaining 2.6 (because finite resources, etc.) |
| 11:37 |
bshum |
Right. Backporting sometimes takes extra work for code, with drift between major versions. If the docs are easier to backport (mainly in that there are no conflicts where docs didn't exist before, now they exist?), then that doesn't seem like a huge extra burden. |
| 11:39 |
yboston |
in my experience, docs are usally pretty easy to back port. Though once or twice I had conflicts becuase features to change over time. Which provided excellent practice in using git |
| 11:41 |
Stompro |
Thanks for the clarification, since I'm working on some older doc items from 2.5 that is good to know. |
| 11:42 |
* Dyrcona |
thinks it is a wast of time to push to a branch that is not getting releases. |
| 11:44 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Angela Kilsdonk] Docs: 2.8 Patron Message Center - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=40605b3> |
| 11:44 |
yboston |
Stompro: I suspect you mean that you are working on undocumented new features that first appeard in 2.5? |
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| 11:45 |
yboston |
Stompro: that you want to add to master, etc |
| 11:45 |
Stompro |
yboston, yes, that is correct. |
| 11:45 |
yboston |
Stompro: I have done that too. Add the feature to the original version adn then to master/latest release |
| 11:46 |
Dyrcona |
I'd recommend going to master, first, then to the older releases. That's pretty much how we do it with the code. |
| 11:46 |
yboston |
there are features from versiosn older than 2.5 that need to be added to master. I guess we can choose to limit the backporting to the currently supported versions? |
| 11:46 |
* bshum |
made the same suggestion at past DIG hackaways |
| 11:46 |
Stompro |
I find that I have to go back and search through previous releases of the documentation quite often, to find things that were in the release notes but never made it into the docs. And from there try to find the commit that the release notes are based off of, to figure out how something work. |
| 11:48 |
yboston |
Dyrcona: I sometimes do it your way other times I go in reverse order. I guess it matters if I created a topic branch from master or from the older release |
| 11:48 |
yboston |
I can be convinvec to always do it from master, though ny now that is what I usually do |
| 11:49 |
yboston |
*convinced |
| 11:52 |
Dyrcona |
It's rare that you would have conflicts with documentation commits, but I imagine you would have less going to master first, then "backporting." |
| 11:53 |
yboston |
Dyrcona: that makes sense; |
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Stompro |
Do you think this is a typo, just found this in the 950.data.see-values.sql "'zcat.oclc.org', 210, 'OLUCWorldCat', TRUE);" Should that be "OCLCWorldCat' or does OLUC mean something?' |
| 12:05 |
Stompro |
It must mean something, that is the db name, not the label, so that entry wouldn't work if it was wrong, which I think would have been noticed by now. |
| 12:06 |
jonadab |
Stompro: https://www.oclc.org/worldcat/catalog/timeline.en.html |
| 12:06 |
* jeff |
is amused at the typo in Stompro's question about a typo |
| 12:07 |
Stompro |
hehe, see all the values. |
| 12:12 |
Stompro |
jonadab, thanks for the link. |
| 12:14 |
Stompro |
akilsdonk, Are you also going to document the A/T side of the patron message center? |
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| 13:18 |
jeff |
the HoldIsAvailable validator validates more than just "hold is available" |
| 13:18 |
gmcharlt |
indeed |
| 13:18 |
jeff |
though i suppose the additional checks are optional. |
| 13:20 |
jeff |
(there are three params which can be set: check_email_notify, check_sms_notify, check_phone_notify) |
| 13:21 |
mmorgan |
So it's really validating based on the hold being available AND the patron wanting a notification? |
| 13:22 |
tsbere |
Only if the other vars are set. Mainly to avoid erroring out in various ways when generating the notification without the notification being desired.....or, for email notification, sending it no matter what. |
| 13:24 |
jeff |
mmorgan: when you configure an A/T event definition, you can optionally set a parameter under Event Parameters that will cause HoldIsAvailable to return false if your choice of those three checks return false. |
| 13:25 |
mmorgan |
Ah, ok. Interesting. |
| 13:25 |
jeff |
happily, they are optional, so if you want something that pokes an automated system by email (or in the future, webhook or something) you can have that, and it will fire on every hold, even a hold with zero notifications enabled. |
| 13:27 |
* mmorgan |
runs off or a bit, realizing there's a lot more to learn about action triggers |
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| 13:36 |
akilsdonk |
612-273-7110 |
| 13:36 |
akilsdonk |
oops.... wrong window completely! |
| 13:38 |
akilsdonk |
Stompro: There's a little bit in the documentation about creating a patron message using action triggers, but I don't have any documentation beyond that. |
| 13:42 |
Stompro |
akilsdonk, oh, there it is, thanks, I didn't see that when I first looked at your commit. |
| 13:45 |
kmlussier |
@coin |
| 13:45 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: tails |
| 13:46 |
akilsdonk |
Stompro: I committed it to master. If all looks good after it's processed tonight, I'll cherry pick it to 2.8. |
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Dyrcona |
typos-- |
| 14:07 |
Dyrcona |
IdnetiferValue <> IdentifierValue |
| 14:10 |
Dyrcona |
And, I may be dropping off the network in a minute or two. |
| 14:10 |
jeff |
tip: if you're going to move an existing A/T def from being ungrouped to being grouped, you should verify that your templates account for the fact that you're going to start getting an array in some places. either that, or you're going to be reminding yourself how you reset an event to re-run after you revert or fix your change. :-) |
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Dyrcona |
Yep. |
| 14:17 |
jboyer-isl |
I wonder if it's a bad idea to connect to a vm, then connect to it's host, then run apt-get upgrade when qemu-kvm packages are involved. I suppose I'll find out shortly. |
| 14:18 |
jboyer-isl |
Surprise! It's fine. |
| 14:22 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: this is why you have a console, right? ;-) |
| 14:23 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff: this is why we have dev! nothing is too dangerous to test on a machine you don't need (at the moment). |
| 14:24 |
jboyer-isl |
(I haven't installed our iLO licenses yet, so I would be quite cross if I had to make a personal appearance at the DC...) |
| 14:25 |
jeff |
oh, i just meant your console from the vm host to the vm guest. |
| 14:27 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff: Oh, sure. I wondered about the possibilities of interrupting an upgrade because you shut down the "remote" machine that started it and the state of the machine at that point. |
| 14:27 |
jboyer-isl |
I guess having ssh go offline would be extremely unusual, but I expect things to blow up for real if they're going to blow up at all. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
We've had ssh go out when a server ran out of RAM and started killing things. |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
Since we'd restricted what OOM Killer could kill, it picked on SSHD, 'cause it was about the only thing left. |
| 14:31 |
jboyer-isl |
I imagine sshd found it's way to the list of restrictions pretty shortly after that, eh? ;) |
| 14:33 |
jboyer-isl |
Further learnings for the day: a vmhost with no/dead raid cache batteries is a lousy thing to do i/o on. :/ |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: No, actually, 'cause we replaced the server about 1 week later. |
| 14:35 |
jboyer-isl |
That's also a fine way to handle it. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, particularly when 1 servers is replaced by 6 or so VMs spread over two physical servers. |
| 14:58 |
Dyrcona |
Anyone ever notice that OpenILS.pm in master says our $version = '2.4'; ? |
| 14:58 |
Dyrcona |
Sorry, it should be $VERSION. -- typoing from memory. ;) |
| 14:59 |
Dyrcona |
Not that that particular version is ever used anywhere. |
| 15:00 |
jeff |
good candidate for release checklist. |
| 15:01 |
Dyrcona |
might already be there. |
| 15:01 |
Dyrcona |
I know the version that OSRF call returns is. |
| 15:06 |
Dyrcona |
Guess 2.4 is an improvement. Prior to that it was 2.00. ;) |
| 15:10 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Yeah, that could get bumped I guess. |
| 15:11 |
bshum |
We bump that by hand in the rel_ branches |
| 15:11 |
bshum |
Before we run make_release script |
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Dyrcona |
jeff++ # Getting karma in #koha. ;) |
| 16:45 |
jeff |
heh |
| 16:45 |
Dyrcona |
<?= "$greeeting $time_of_day, $first_name" ?> |
| 16:46 |
Dyrcona |
I almost shared that earlier, but after you did yours, it seemed like copying. ;) |
| 16:46 |
jeff |
heh |
| 16:46 |
jeff |
i was going for the retro NetWare vote. |
| 16:46 |
Dyrcona |
Should put p tags in there for full effect. |
| 16:46 |
Dyrcona |
I get lost of spame with %SUBJECT and so on . |
| 16:47 |
Dyrcona |
spame? |
| 16:47 |
Dyrcona |
spam. |
| 16:47 |
Dyrcona |
lost.... |
| 16:47 |
Dyrcona |
Ugh. Is today over, yet? |
| 16:47 |
mmorgan |
typos-- |
| 16:47 |
Dyrcona |
Indeed. :) |
| 16:48 |
Dyrcona |
Well, one more day of packing before the office move actually starts. |
| 16:49 |
Dyrcona |
On Saturday, the servers and desktop computers get moved by the moving company. |
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| 16:49 |
Dyrcona |
And then the rest of the office furniture on Monday. |
| 16:49 |
Dyrcona |
Oddly enough, most of the offices have desks in them already, except for us tech. staff. |
| 16:50 |
Dyrcona |
We're keeping our old desks and others get "new" desks. |
| 16:51 |
mmorgan |
Sounds like lots of fun ;-) |
| 16:51 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. Loads. |
| 16:59 |
jwoodard_ |
ok so remind me where you can edit the max fine limit for patron groups |
| 16:59 |
jwoodard_ |
It has been one of those days |
| 17:02 |
mmorgan |
jwoodard_: You should find that in Circulation Policies (Admin - Local Admin - Circulation Policies) |
| 17:08 |
pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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jwoodard_ |
thanks mmorgan++ |
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kmlussier |
@sortinghat |
| 23:58 |
pinesol_green |
Hmm... kmlussier... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN! |
| 23:58 |
kmlussier |
Excellent! |
