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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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| 09:22 |
mrpeters |
who was the release manager for 2.8.2? |
| 09:23 |
mrpeters |
im curious if http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_8.html#_acknowledgments is just sloppy, or if the omissions are intentional |
| 09:24 |
mrpeters |
I've counted 3 people, and 1 organization that are missing so far |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I believe that link is for 2.8.0 and not 2.8.2. |
| 09:25 |
mrpeters |
no, thats the 2.8.2 install release notes |
| 09:25 |
mrpeters |
1. Evergreen 2.8.2 This release contains several bugfixes improving on Evergreen 2.8.1 |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I guess acknowledgements were missed. |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
This is also the first time we're doing release notes for bug fix releases. |
| 09:26 |
Dyrcona |
Prior to 2.8, we didn't do them. |
| 09:26 |
mrpeters |
understandable |
| 09:26 |
mrpeters |
GPLS is missing, csharp is missing, Terran McCanna is missing |
| 09:26 |
mrpeters |
i'm also missing |
| 09:27 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. I was about to add that you were missing. |
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| 09:27 |
mrpeters |
but hey, if its the first time, understandable -- mistakes happen |
| 09:28 |
mrpeters |
i actually didnt notice i was missing until someone brought up to me that they were missing |
| 09:28 |
Dyrcona |
I'm sure we'll have that fixed for the next release. |
| 09:28 |
mrpeters |
is it not possible to go back and amend it, at least on the website? |
| 09:28 |
mrpeters |
i understand having to re-tag the branch would be annoying |
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tsbere |
Are we using real tags or just branches named like them? |
| 09:34 |
mrpeters |
i thought they were real tags, tsbere |
| 09:34 |
mrpeters |
at least in the past |
| 09:36 |
* csharp |
submits bug 1468363 |
| 09:36 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1468363 in Evergreen "Acknowledgement omissions in 2.8.2 release notes" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468363 |
| 09:38 |
csharp |
which is now a duplicate of bug 1468362 |
| 09:38 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1468362 in Evergreen "Omissions in Evergreen 2.8.2 Release Notes" (affected: 2, heat: 14) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468362 |
| 09:38 |
csharp |
I promise that wasn't coordinated ;-) |
| 09:38 |
mrpeters |
i marked them as duplicates |
| 09:39 |
csharp |
Terran and I are literally ten feet away from each other, but obviously not talking about it ;-) |
| 09:39 |
jeff |
@coffee everyone |
| 09:39 |
jeff |
morning. |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Tres Santos Micro-Lot La Dorada Cauca, and sends it sliding down the bar to everyone |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
imagine, if you will... not everyone fighting over a single cup, but pinesol_green's single cup splitting into multiple cups as it slides down the bar |
| 09:41 |
mmorgan |
jeff: 'Morning! Thanks for the coffee :-D |
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* csharp |
lulz at jeff's last |
| 09:43 |
jeff |
never fails. cite a recently improved process as an example of something that's been "just working" without need for babysitting or manual intervention... and you'll have a ticket the next morning about that process throwing an error. |
| 09:44 |
krvmga |
jeff: there oughta be a law... |
| 09:46 |
pinesol_green |
[opensrf|Galen Charlton] LP#1461625: ensure srfsh doesn't close STDOUT prematurely - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=6f1daba> |
| 09:48 |
jeff |
hah! we really do need to give some processes a means of overriding PATRON_ACCOUNT_EXPIRED. |
| 09:48 |
pinesol_green |
[opensrf|Galen Charlton] LP#1152272: do not log batch invocation of srfsh in .srfsh_history - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=33a5e60> |
| 09:49 |
jeff |
longstanding: offline checkouts should not fail on PATRON_ACCOUNT_EXPIRED... the patron's already out the door with the item. :-) |
| 09:49 |
jeff |
and today's example -- Mark Item Missing Pieces |
| 09:50 |
jeff |
if the patron who had it out last is now expired, Mark Item Missing Pieces fails with an unhandled error -- possibly just in our system, but I suspect in stock also. |
| 09:54 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona was correct in saying that the acknowledgements omission is due to the fact that it is in the 2.8.0 section of the release notes. As he said, point release notes are new, and we're still just getting the process done. |
| 09:55 |
kmlussier |
Having said that, mrpeters, I'm bristling a bit at the way you initially phrased the question. We're a community of volunteers. Mistakes happen without it being "sloppy" or "intentional." |
| 09:56 |
mrpeters |
kmlussier: and it's a bit offensive when other volunteers are not given credit |
| 09:58 |
kmlussier |
mrpeters: Still, I think you can ask about the omission without commenting on the quality of work of others. |
| 09:59 |
mrpeters |
Fair enough. Just seemed pretty glaring is all. I'll ask the question in different terms in the future. |
| 10:01 |
jeff |
kmlussier: thanks for saying something. i had a similar reaction, but you did a far better job of phrasing it. |
| 10:01 |
jeff |
mrpeters: thanks for keeping that in mind for the future! |
| 10:03 |
bshum |
On a technical observation, we are not yet using git tags for Evergreen releases. |
| 10:03 |
bshum |
And it is possible to edit the html. |
| 10:05 |
bshum |
Or regenerate new html based on whatever changes are made to the text file. |
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bshum |
It takes a community of volunteers too, because no one person can effect all the changes necessary either. Someone has to make the change, then you need a committer (either docs or dev) to add the change to the repo. You need someone to generate the asciidoc to html, you need a web-team member to upload the file to the community web server. |
| 10:49 |
bshum |
Well, that's not true, some of us have all the hats... but we can work together on this stuff. |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
bshum++ |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
@karma yboston |
| 10:52 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Karma for "yboston" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18. |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
yboston++ |
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* Dyrcona |
just getting it in before the IRC practice rush this afternoon. ;) |
| 10:53 |
yboston |
ha ha ha |
| 10:53 |
yboston |
actually, I am currently working on adding those acknowledgements |
| 10:53 |
yboston |
thanks for the encouragement |
| 10:54 |
Dyrcona |
yboston: thank you for working on the acknowledgements without being asked. |
| 10:56 |
yboston |
this makes up for all the things I am asked that I don't do :) |
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Dyrcona |
yboston++ |
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bshum |
yboston++ |
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kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 11:15 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Yamil Suarez] LP#1468362 fix release me syntax and update acknowledgements - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ac59886> |
| 11:15 |
yboston |
this is easier for accumulating karma than hosting IRC practice times |
| 11:18 |
Shae |
stepping away for a few min |
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krvmga |
yboston++ |
| 11:25 |
krvmga |
yboston: i will be here for the IRC practice |
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bshum |
yboston: I put a new comment again for https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1454879 (the bug that Terran mentions in the other bug report from today) |
| 11:43 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1454879 in Evergreen "Account Expiration Date in My Account" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
| 11:43 |
bshum |
But basically I viewed it as a new feature, which is why despite having a signoff, it's incomplete. |
| 11:43 |
bshum |
Since it needs a release note entry before we can add it to master towards 2.9 |
| 11:58 |
bshum |
I wonder if we should just point people at the release notes landing page in the official docs |
| 11:59 |
bshum |
Instead of separately generating a release notes page for every release |
| 11:59 |
bshum |
And uploading it to the web server |
| 12:00 |
bshum |
Though with the split note architecture for 2.8 (with the newly added maintenance ones) that can be a little trickier to link to. |
| 12:00 |
bshum |
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.8/_introduction.html |
| 12:00 |
bshum |
3 and 4 there |
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bshum |
In the short term though, I generated a new release notes 2.8 html |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
And that's on lupin now |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
So http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_8.html#_acknowledgments is actually updated |
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kmlussier |
bshum: The same question crossed my mind a while back. But I like the fact that the non-doc version of the release notes is all on one page. I think they're more user friendly that way. |
| 12:06 |
bshum |
kmlussier: That's true... for human friendliness |
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yboston |
hold on grabbing some links |
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yboston |
(ignore me) |
| 12:22 |
yboston |
bshum: from the comment on that Terran bug I know see that if a new code chnage requires new translations it strongly merits that it is considered a new feature. thanks |
| 12:23 |
bshum |
yboston: Not always, but that's one of the main reasons I decided it was more new feature than bug fix. |
| 12:23 |
bshum |
It didn't display it before, so it'll display it now. |
| 12:23 |
bshum |
Hence, new. |
| 12:23 |
bshum |
It would be different if say it didn't display before cause it was broken. |
| 12:23 |
bshum |
That'd be a fix. |
| 12:24 |
yboston |
bshum: yes, did not mean to imply it always has to be a new feature if there is a new string |
| 12:26 |
Stompro |
bshum, I saw you removed the signoff tag on that bug, should the signoff tag not be added if there is an outstanding releasenotes tag? I've done that quite a few times now. |
| 12:26 |
bshum |
Stompro: That's debatable. I removed it because we'll need a resignoff on the release notes too once they get added on. |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
Technically you signed for the code, not the note. |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
Which isn't bad, just incomplete. |
| 12:27 |
* Dyrcona |
watches bshum split hairs. :) |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
And for note, anybody can write a note... it doesn't have to be the original author of the patch. |
| 12:27 |
* bshum |
just didn't feel like doing it this exact moment of this exact day. |
| 12:28 |
bshum |
And I guess with notes, it doesn't *have* to have the signoffs, but eh, practice! Or something. |
| 12:29 |
bshum |
Stompro: Something that I used to do when I was reviewing is that I would push a signoff branch to working, and then add additional commits of my own if I felt something required changing, then add a link to that back to the LP ticket |
| 12:29 |
bshum |
So something like, signoff on their code in my working branch, then add a new commit for the release note, to help out the feature. And then wait for someone else to sign and push on the whole thing. |
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bshum |
Dyrcona: It's an art, not a science :( |
| 12:31 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: Definitely. I was just waiting for you to get to the "release notes don't really need an additional sign off." |
| 12:31 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: True, but I find that if I don't put my foot down and say, no notes, no push, nothing gets written. |
| 12:32 |
bshum |
Course then nothing gets pushed either... but hey, it ain't my feature :) |
| 12:32 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, well, I'm guilty of pushing some things recently without notes. |
| 12:32 |
bshum |
Like I said, it's an art, not a science :( |
| 12:33 |
Dyrcona |
So is programming, but don't tell the computer scientists. :) |
| 12:34 |
bshum |
Is that science like library "science"? Wait... that might start more wars... |
| 12:35 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 12:35 |
yboston |
They say that studying computer science is like studying the chemical compositions of paints, versus studying/doing programming is painting. As somone with a masters in computer science, I can vouch for that statement |
| 12:35 |
Dyrcona |
I don't see a problem with having both signedoff and needsreleasenote on a bug, but maybe that's just me. |
| 12:38 |
Dyrcona |
On the particular bug in question, I'd call it a new feature regardless of whether or not it requires new translations. |
| 12:38 |
Dyrcona |
It's something new that Evergreen didn't do before. |
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mmorgan |
Question about action.hold_request -- if a hold is filled because a related checkout happened, what determines fulfillment_lib? The library where the checkout occurred? |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Angela Kilsdonk] New Documentation for 2.8 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e3bfb66> |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Angela Kilsdonk] Merge branch 'master' of git.evergreen-ils.org:Evergreen - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f2204da> |
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* bshum |
waits to see if pinesol_green explodes... |
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bshum |
Maybe it's something in the commit message that causes merges to loop on themselves. That merge commit has a slightly different styling than others from the past. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Angela Kilsdonk] Docs: 2.6 Duplicate Serials Barcode Alert - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=747df05> |
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Dyrcona |
I am ready to push berick's branch on lp 1312308. |
| 13:30 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1312308 in Evergreen "time to remove script-based circ policies" (affected: 3, heat: 20) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308 |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
I added my signoff to a collab branch referenced in the latest comment. |
| 13:32 |
Dyrcona |
I am going to wait a few days before pushing the branch to master in case anyone else wants to have a look, or has had a look and hasn't commented on the bug, yet. |
| 13:33 |
berick |
Dyrcona++ |
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| 13:33 |
Dyrcona |
berick++ |
| 13:34 |
berick |
the "files changed" summary along the top is a thing of beauty: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c7db9c0bb3b16b63d282abf82603bd2303daa9a |
| 13:34 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 13:35 |
bshum |
So much red... |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
Indeed. |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ # OpenSRF 2.4.1 |
| 13:46 |
bshum |
But no websockets proxy example yet? *sadface* |
| 13:47 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
| 13:47 |
gmcharlt |
bshum: that's the second thing scheduled for my flight to SF |
| 13:47 |
bshum |
\o/ |
| 13:47 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ |
| 13:48 |
berick |
gmcharlt: let us know when we can talk to your plane via websockets. |
| 13:48 |
gmcharlt |
umm |
| 13:48 |
gmcharlt |
er |
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* gmcharlt |
has a little rethink |
| 13:48 |
gmcharlt |
;) |
| 13:48 |
berick |
heh |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 13:50 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: If you're interested, my dev system with the web staff client setup has had the websockets fix for a while. |
| 13:56 |
yboston |
heads up the IRC practice time starts at 2 PM EST |
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| 14:01 |
yboston |
anyone here for the IRC practice time? |
| 14:02 |
krvmga |
yboston: me |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
:) |
| 14:03 |
krvmga |
i'm here to support. |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
I even used a Doodle poll to gauge interest |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
but I don't mind |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
folks might show up late, it happened last time for the second practice time |
| 14:04 |
caryar |
I am here. |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
hello |
| 14:04 |
krvmga |
#info krvmga = Jim Keenan, C/W MARS |
| 14:04 |
krvmga |
caryar: hi :) |
| 14:04 |
caryar |
Hi Yamil, this is Carol from Bibliomation |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
I will try to do that again but will "reply" to you caryar |
| 14:05 |
Dyrcona |
krvmga: The # commands only work when the meet bot is "on." |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
caryar: hello |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
I just typed your nickname and added a semicolon right after |
| 14:05 |
Dyrcona |
hello, caryar. |
| 14:05 |
krvmga |
Dyrcona: thx :) |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
CAROL!!!! |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
YOu were the one person that was excused from this practice time |
| 14:05 |
caryar |
Hello Drycona |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I was about to mention how you were not free at this time, so you had an excuse |
| 14:06 |
Dyrcona |
Everyone else gets a demerit. ;) |
| 14:06 |
caryar |
I am covering helpdesk calls as well |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
so if you have a chance, try "replying" to anyone of us. Just start with the nickname, immediately followed by a colon |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
caryar: like this |
| 14:07 |
bshum |
Demerits? Donny, just give Kenneth a damned jacket! |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
anyway, when you see others writing this way, with a nickname first, they are addressign that message to someone else |
| 14:08 |
terran |
This is Terran from PINES - I should know all of this, but I'm not in here enough so I forget all the tricks! |
| 14:08 |
Dyrcona |
Most clients will auto-complete for you if you hit the tab key. |
| 14:08 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: heh |
| 14:08 |
mceraso |
Melissa from Bibliomation, here :) |
| 14:08 |
caryar |
bshum: I like that thought :) |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
for a recap you can view these slides |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
http://goo.gl/w3zml2 |
| 14:09 |
bshum |
Sorry I randomly quote movies/tv all the time :/ |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
mceraso: hello, I can't remember if you are a frequent IRC user or not? |
| 14:10 |
caryar |
mceraso: I made it from the office |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
mceraso: either way, hello |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
so of course when you "reply" others can see what you wrote |
| 14:10 |
mceraso |
yboston: I mostly lurk |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
it is just a shortcut so that more than one conversation can occur at the same time, without getting too confusing |
| 14:11 |
caryar |
yboston: I often wonder what the nickname and colon meant, now I know. |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
there is a way to exchange messages in IRC that are private |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
caryar: this is why we have practice time :) |
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caryar |
yboston: and your name is in red, |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
who wants to remind me how to trigger a private conversation? is it /msg? |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
I normally use a software that gives me a shurcut |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
*shortcut |
| 14:13 |
miker |
yboston: /query is what you want, I think |
| 14:13 |
terran |
msg |
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caryar |
etiquette says use /msg for ask the operator politely to be allowed back in |
| 14:13 |
bshum |
Yes, /query is what I usually use |
| 14:13 |
terran |
msg yboston test |
| 14:13 |
yboston |
bshum: really? |
| 14:13 |
terran |
ack |
| 14:13 |
yboston |
I looked it up, it was what I thought…. /msg nickname |
| 14:14 |
miker |
/msg will work, but is meant for one message. /query starts a new conversation ... some clients allow /msg to become /query |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
so start writing a slash, then space, then "msg" , then a nickname |
| 14:14 |
bshum |
No space. |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
so it looks like: /msg yboston |
| 14:15 |
miker |
yboston: /msg yboston some text here |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
terran just message me, all others feel free to private message meso you can practice |
| 14:15 |
miker |
or: /query yboston |
| 14:15 |
terran |
I'm in web browser version - /msg sends a message but doesn't open a new tab and /query opens a new tab |
| 14:15 |
miker |
and then type in that window |
| 14:15 |
caryar |
I typed /msg first it did not come through |
| 14:15 |
bshum |
Right, the new tab is helpful sometimes. |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
I thought that /msg creates a private message but does nto open the tab on broaswer? |
| 14:16 |
mceraso |
yboston: Just sent you one. Let me know if it went through :) |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
BTW, sorry for the bad spelling and grammar; I am glad most of you have heard me speak in real life |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
(which is usually better than this) |
| 14:16 |
csharp |
@praise yboston |
| 14:16 |
* pinesol_green |
yboston can run a report without assistance |
| 14:16 |
miker |
for reference: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
mceraso: I did not get it, make sure the very first thing that appears on the line is the slash, then have a space |
| 14:17 |
terran |
yboston: correct, /msg doesn't open a new tab in the browser but /query opens a new tab (within the screen, not browser tab) |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
sorry I meant…. /msg yboston |
| 14:17 |
caryar |
Oh, now I understand |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
so go ahead every one that is a here for practice time, please send em a private msg :) |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
the usual suspects can keep to themselves :) |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
and thanks bshum and miker for the tip on using "/query nickname" |
| 14:18 |
* bshum |
has talked to his own nick before |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
so far I have not received any private messages, let me know if you think soemthing is not working |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
miker++ eeevil++ # whaaa? |
| 14:19 |
csharp |
bshum: yep - it posts everything twice - awesome for narcisists ;-) |
| 14:20 |
* bshum |
is nothing if not narcissistic... |
| 14:20 |
csharp |
@who is awesome? |
| 14:20 |
pinesol_green |
bbqben is awesome. |
| 14:20 |
csharp |
pinesol_green: truth |
| 14:20 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://cat.evergreen-ils.org.meowbify.com/ |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
OK, now I am getting the private messages. very good |
| 14:20 |
caryar |
yboston: I do not seem to get the /msg to work |
| 14:20 |
* jeff |
yawns |
| 14:21 |
jeff |
greetings. |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
btw, here is a link with some IRC commands that kmlussier created |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc-quick-start |
| 14:21 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
lets talk about IRC karma |
| 14:21 |
bshum |
caryar: responses might be on different tabs |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
caryar: so far I have not received anything from you. let me know if I can help |
| 14:22 |
caryar |
bshum: thank you, I see that now. |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
so about IRC karma |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
@dogma |
| 14:23 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: did you finish your beer? |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
it is a way to compliment fellow community members |
| 14:23 |
bbqben |
csharp : too much :) |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
you usually type a nickname and add two plus signs without a space |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
for example |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
bshum++ |
| 14:24 |
terran |
yboston++ |
| 14:24 |
caryar |
so it is like 2 thumbs up? |
| 14:24 |
mceraso |
yboston++ |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
terran++ |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
@karma |
| 14:24 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Highest karma: "Dyrcona" (44), "bshum" (41), and "kmlussier" (40). Lowest karma: "iii" (-3), "java" (-3), and "marc" (-2). You (Dyrcona) are ranked 1 out of 100. |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
caryar: that is a god comparison |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
*good |
| 14:24 |
caryar |
mceraso++ |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
NOTE: in this community we never decrement or give a thumbs down to other people |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
on occasion, a person can decremen themselves if they made soem sort of big or small mistake |
| 14:25 |
Dyrcona |
But some of us do decrement ourselves if we think we've done something bone-headed. ;) |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
*decrement |
| 14:25 |
bshum |
But thumbs down for things is okay: ie-- |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
Dyrcona: thanks |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
ie-- |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
apple-- |
| 14:25 |
bshum |
Cause I hate it. |
| 14:25 |
mceraso |
parts-- |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
we also sometimes decrement technologies |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
sip2-- |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
thaks for the examples |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
*thanks |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
yboston-- |
| 14:26 |
csharp |
yboston++ |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
yboston++ |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
typos-- |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:26 |
csharp |
@karma typos |
| 14:26 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Karma for "typos" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
In any case it's a way of expressing thanks for good works to the community and to each other. |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
sometimes we "vote" for ideas with a single plus or minus |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
lets do a fake vote |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
do we want dessert? |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
…I could vote posiive by typing just "1+" |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
1+ |
| 14:27 |
terran |
1+ |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
yboston: +1 |
| 14:27 |
mceraso |
1+ |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
(Veterans correct me if I am saying this wrong) |
| 14:27 |
caryar |
with or without the parens |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
no parens |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
Just +1 |
| 14:28 |
caryar |
1+ |
| 14:28 |
caryar |
Got it! |
| 14:28 |
terran |
is it +1 or 1+? |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
+1 for yes , -1 for no |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
if you already had dessert, you may want no by typing a minus 1 |
| 14:28 |
bshum |
What Dyrcona said |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
like this |
| 14:28 |
caryar |
+1 |
| 14:28 |
csharp |
+1 |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
-1 |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
When we have a meeting we have a bot that records actual votes and they have to formatted specifically. |
| 14:28 |
caryar |
I am dyslexic sometimes |
| 14:28 |
csharp |
#vote Yes |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
yboston typed it backwards. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
typos-- |
| 14:29 |
csharp |
thunder+- |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
It's more of informal voting for concepts. Or just slang agreement. |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
Dyrcona: can you say it the right way? |
| 14:29 |
caryar |
I followed suit |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
I did, +1 for yes -1 for no. |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
I'm +1 to desserts always though. |
| 14:29 |
csharp |
@dessert bshum |
| 14:29 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs some Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream for bshum |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
And -1 to deserts |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
we someimtes use a technology called "meetbot" on IRC |
| 14:30 |
bshum |
csharp: ahhh that would be awesome right about now. |
| 14:30 |
csharp |
meatbot++ |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
it helps wotj saving minutes of our IRC meetings |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
and it can count votes |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
it does require a slighly longer syntax that "+1" |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
but if you happen to be in a meeting on IRC using metbot, the moderator will remind you fof the syntax |
| 14:31 |
caryar |
That's good |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
A lot of scheduled meetigns use meetbot, like the developers, DIG, and the board |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
Also, if you enter channel in the middle of a meeting and ask a question, we'll usually ask you to wait for an answer. |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
lets talk about another great IRC assitant |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
it is called "pinesol_green" |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
here a lnk with some sample commands |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-pinesol_green |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
for example in the next line I will ask it to tel me about a MARC tag |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
@marc 856 |
| 14:33 |
pinesol_green |
yboston: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
@bartender |
| 14:34 |
* pinesol_green |
fills a pint glass with Redhook IPA, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1330/70) |
| 14:34 |
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| 14:34 |
yboston |
it can be used to ask the weather |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
@weather 00966 |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
yboston: The current temperature in AESPR, Puerto Nuevo, San Juan, Puerto Rico is 96.6°F (2:35 PM AST on June 24, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:35 |
caryar |
I would like to have seen that yesterday |
| 14:35 |
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| 14:35 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder 01845 |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in WB1CHU, Lawrence, Massachusetts is 84.9°F (2:35 PM EDT on June 24, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
would a veteran user demonstrate a less fun and more work related use of pinesol_green? |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
Less fun.. and more work related |
| 14:36 |
terran |
@eather 30345 |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
terran: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
| 14:36 |
terran |
oops |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
@who needs coffee? |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
rangi needs coffee. |
| 14:36 |
terran |
@weather 30345 |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
terran: The current temperature in Lakeside, Atlanta, Georgia is 91.8°F (2:30 PM EDT on June 24, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 77.0°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:36 |
Dyrcona |
The @marc is the most work-related thing that pinesol does. |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
@coffee rangi |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
@seen remingtron |
| 14:36 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Guatemala Hunapu Antigua Bourbon, and sends it sliding down the bar to rangi |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
yboston: remingtron was last seen in #evergreen 2 days, 4 hours, 18 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <remingtron> Dyrcona: we are just about to import our authority file |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
@later tell dbs Once upon a time, there was an Evergreen catalog... |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:36 |
csharp |
@praise coffee |
| 14:36 |
* pinesol_green |
coffee is one of the few who deserves to be praised |
| 14:36 |
Dyrcona |
@seen dbs |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: dbs was last seen in #evergreen 1 day, 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <dbs> Shouldn't be an issue in normal circumstances, right? |
| 14:36 |
csharp |
@quote random |
| 14:36 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Quote #83: "< jboyer-isl> PEBCAKEs, while delicious, rarely yield fruitful discussions." (added by csharp at 03:54 PM, April 16, 2014) |
| 14:37 |
terran |
coffee++ |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
@later tell dbs We're getting rid of scripted circ, so be ready before 2.9 ships! |
| 14:37 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
yboston: The @later tell nick is helpful for leaving messages for specific community members messages while they're away or not in channel. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
That's useful, at least. ;) |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
there is a way to mention a bug number and get info on it |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
bug 1454879 |
| 14:37 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1454879 in Evergreen "Account Expiration Date in My Account" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454879 |
| 14:38 |
bshum |
yboston: Aye, "bug ####" or "lp ####" should both work |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
good, I thought "lp" would work too |
| 14:38 |
bshum |
~help |
| 14:38 |
pinesol_green |
Hi, I'm pinesol_green, the #evergreen channel bot. I do several useful things like log the channel (see http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/), track @karma, save messages for @later, and have several useful factoids like this one (factoid usage: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Using). |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
BTW, "lp" stand for Launch Pad, the site that the EG community uses to track bugs |
| 14:38 |
terran |
Hey, I recognize that bug! |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
it might be spelled Launchpad? |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
terran: It's not a bug. It's a new feature. :) |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
terran: I still had the window open :) |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
terran++ |
| 14:39 |
terran |
heh :) |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
terran++ |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
what about having pinsel bring up commits. What syntax should we use? |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
I was going to ask earlier if anyone wanted me to make a branch with Stompro's signoff on it. |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
*pinesol |
| 14:40 |
csharp |
did you mention tab completion? |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
csharp: only a little bit |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
lets mention it again |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
so... |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
most of us don't spell out each others nickname completly |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
we usually type the first two letters and hit the tab key, and the IRC software |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
will complete the rest |
| 14:41 |
dbs |
except for db<tab> |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
since there are currently only one connected user that starts with "y", you could just type "y" and tab |
| 14:42 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it usually offers alternatives. |
| 14:42 |
dbs |
then you can hit <tab> until it cycles around to the one you want to actually address |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
to have my nickname autocompleted |
| 14:42 |
bshum |
In my client, hitting tab multiple times will suggest alternates |
| 14:42 |
bshum |
For db<tab> |
| 14:42 |
mceraso |
bshum: I see that working |
| 14:42 |
dbs |
bshum: yeah, that's what I was saying. |
| 14:42 |
bshum |
dbs: Sorry could have let you finish your thought :\ |
| 14:43 |
caryar |
Cool, I like that |
| 14:43 |
tsbere |
hmmm. Mine used to do alternates, now it cycles. |
| 14:43 |
* tsbere |
wonders if they added an option at some point when he updated |
| 14:43 |
Stompro |
Dyrcona, sorry, I'm lazy when it comes to signoff branches, I haven't figured out a good workflow yet. |
| 14:43 |
yboston |
Stompro: let me know if you want to talk about it |
| 14:44 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: I have a script git-quickpick that helps, or I cherry-pick with -s, or just commit --amend -s, if it's all in one commit already. |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
Dyrcona: I' would like to see that too |
| 14:45 |
* Stompro |
scribbles notes down. |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
back to the practice time, another thing I want to mention |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
is the community calendar |
| 14:45 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: You mind if I throw the quickpick script up as a gist on github? |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
http://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/calendar/ |
| 14:45 |
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| 14:45 |
yboston |
on this calendar you can see the upcoming scheduled IRC meetings |
| 14:46 |
dbs |
also note that most IRC clients, if your nick is mentioned while you're focused on something else (like another IRC channel), will highlight the channel where you were mentioned / ring a bell / etc |
| 14:46 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: Go for it. I don't think I even kept a copy myself, actually. |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
so that you can stop by, and perhaps just lurk at first |
| 14:46 |
dbs |
like when bshum and Dyrcona @later you :) |
| 14:46 |
Dyrcona |
Wait a minute. I don't think I'm using yours. |
| 14:46 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
the calendar can be found from the Evergreen home page |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
click on "get involved" |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
"communications" |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
then "calendar" |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
so lets start doing a recap.... |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
1) we first talked about "replying" to another user |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
anyone have any questions about replying, or missed the explenation? |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
2) we talked about private messages |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
3) we talked about informally voting |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
4) we talked a little bit about meetbot, and we talked about pinesol_green |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
here is the pinesol_green page http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-pinesol_green |
| 14:50 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: heh Yours is already up there: https://gist.github.com/Dyrcona/4629200 |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
5) we talked about karma |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
BTW, to give karma does it only work if it is the only statement on a line? |
| 14:51 |
bshum |
yboston: No, the parser will pick it up anywhere in the statement. |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
cool |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
I think it might not work on a private message |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
? |
| 14:51 |
bshum |
Correct, karma is recorded as a plugin on pinesol_green, so it has to read your message to record it for the channel. |
| 14:51 |
bshum |
In the channel. |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
remember, don't decrement other nicknames |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
go to town on technologies |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
magnets++ |
| 14:52 |
gsams |
ie-- |
| 14:52 |
gsams |
heh |
| 14:52 |
tsbere |
marc-- |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
any questions or comments? |
| 14:52 |
caryar |
This has been helpful, thank you |
| 14:53 |
terran |
Thanks, Yamil! yboston++ |
| 14:53 |
* mmorgan |
thinks /me is worth a mention, too |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
BTW, I need you to de me a favor |
| 14:53 |
caryar |
Yes, yboston ++ |
| 14:53 |
* bshum |
agrees with mmorgan |
| 14:53 |
gsams |
yboston++ |
| 14:54 |
mceraso |
yboston++ |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
please mention/brag how easy it was to try out IRC to your coworkers; so maybe they can join us in the next practice time |
| 14:54 |
mmorgan |
Type /me followed by something and see what happens |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
or just show them how easy it was for you |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
mmorgan: good point |
| 14:54 |
* caryar |
hello |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
the "/me" commnad is a way to talk in the third person??? |
| 14:55 |
gsams |
yboston: yes! |
| 14:55 |
* gsams |
thinks it is an excellent thing. |
| 14:55 |
* yboston |
was not confident in his explanation |
| 14:55 |
* remingtron |
waves to caryar |
| 14:55 |
* terran |
wishes she had coffee |
| 14:56 |
remingtron |
@coffee terran |
| 14:56 |
* mmorgan |
didn't figure out the "/me" thing for quite a while ;-) |
| 14:56 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Starlight Blend, and sends it sliding down the bar to terran |
| 14:56 |
csharp |
@coffee terran |
| 14:56 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Aricha Selection #7, and sends it sliding down the bar to terran |
| 14:56 |
csharp |
@tea |
| 14:56 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Honey Black Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to csharp (http://ratetea.com/tea/health-and-tea/honey-black-tea/7529/) |
| 14:56 |
terran |
csharp: is there one for decaf? |
| 14:56 |
csharp |
terran: nope :-( |
| 14:56 |
terran |
csharp: more for me, then! |
| 14:57 |
gsams |
@tea |
| 14:57 |
csharp |
exactly |
| 14:57 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Bio Pao Chung Pouchong, and sends it sliding down the bar to gsams (http://ratetea.com/tea/teehaus-bachfischer/bio-pao-chung-pouchong/7609/) |
| 14:57 |
csharp |
@dunno |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://images.cryhavok.org/d/1291-1/Computer+Rage.gif |
| 14:57 |
caryar |
terran: how about Chai? |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
OK, we are almost at the end of the practice time |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
There is a decaf that comes up sometimes with @coffee |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
you do not have to log off |
| 14:57 |
bshum |
@roulette |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: *click* |
| 14:57 |
terran |
caryar: I'll take Chai if I can't have coffee |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
@karma parts |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Karma for "parts" has been increased 1 time and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -1. |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
though soon others folks will retsrat ongoing conversations |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
kmlussier: It wasn't me this time! I swear! |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
feel free to hang around |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
But it might be me next time... |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
parts++ |
| 14:58 |
miker |
parts++ |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
thank you all for coming, both the newcomers and the veterans that chipped in |
| 14:58 |
* miker |
highfive's kmlussier |
| 14:58 |
mmorgan |
Yay parts! |
| 14:58 |
gsams |
parts++ #though I'm tempted to do the opposite as well for some reason... |
| 14:59 |
kmlussier |
miker: right back at ya. |
| 14:59 |
gsams |
I should continue my work on the pinesol page... I kinda left it alone after a few days of messing with the bot |
| 15:01 |
* kmlussier |
thinks we should do an empathy exercise around parts. |
| 15:01 |
* bshum |
could be conveniently sick that day |
| 15:01 |
gsams |
@librarian |
| 15:01 |
pinesol_green |
gsams: Management:17, Cataloging:11, Acquisitions:15, Reference:12, Circulation:12, Systems:11, Research:11, Custodial:14 |
| 15:02 |
mmorgan |
Parts squashing day? |
| 15:02 |
caryar |
Bye for now |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
@hates |
| 15:02 |
yboston |
gotta run to a meeting, talk to you all later |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
@hates |
| 15:02 |
pinesol_green |
bshum hates metarecord holds; acquisitions; z39.50; acq; notices; action triggers; RDA; edi; SIP; parts; marc; RAID; reports; serials; office printer; weird barcodes; PO JEDI; B&T; using the phone; horizontal summary display; backporting; A/T; dojo; snow; SIP2; and KPAC |
| 15:02 |
Dyrcona |
If you're looking for the quickpick script that I mentioned, I shared the link at http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2015-06-24#i_185755 above. |
| 15:02 |
kmlussier |
bshum: but then how could we understand your pain if you didn't participate? |
| 15:02 |
krvmga |
yboston: cya later |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
@dontcare parts |
| 15:02 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum no longer hates parts. |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
kmlussier: See, that's as far as I'm willing to go with parts today. |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
I am indifferent to them right now. |
| 15:02 |
kmlussier |
That's progress! |
| 15:03 |
Dyrcona |
Of course, you have to be using command line git with a bash shell for it to work. |
| 15:03 |
gsams |
bshum: I should probably add that command and its counterparts to the wiki... |
| 15:04 |
bshum |
"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something." |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
selling something... like parts. |
| 15:12 |
* mmorgan |
can get you a deal on parts ;-) |
| 15:12 |
gsams |
jeff++ |
| 15:12 |
Stompro |
Dyrcona, thanks for the quickpicks script. So say I'm doing a bug testing branch with commits from 10 different LP bugs, I pull them all in using the -s flag with quickpick. Now time passes and I test all the various LP bugs. Is there an easy way to push signoff branches with just certain commits directly from my bug fix branch? Or do I need to manage each signoff branch individually? Sorry for the long post. |
| 15:13 |
tsbere |
Stompro: You will need to build individual signoff branches. |
| 15:13 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: When I'm testing, I usually checkout -b a new branch based on master and then merge the branches that I want to test into that. |
| 15:14 |
Dyrcona |
When I want to sign off on one of the branches, I usually create a new branch based on master, then quickpick -s the branch I want to sign off on. |
| 15:16 |
Stompro |
Ok, that is what I thought, and where I was being lazy. I'm sure I'll get faster at it with more practice. |
| 15:17 |
miker |
bshum: you hate RAID? |
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| 15:18 |
bshum |
In general it's good to test everything in collaboration, eventually. Since they'll be merged that way at some point. But too many at once it can be hard to figure out what broke what. |
| 15:19 |
bshum |
miker: Maybe I meant to say I hate thinking about RAID configs. Or RAID and SSDs. Or failing RAID arrays... |
| 15:19 |
bshum |
@dontcare RAID |
| 15:19 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum no longer hates RAID. |
| 15:19 |
miker |
;) |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: Or HP RAID in particular? |
| 15:20 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Well HP should have its own special mention I think. |
| 15:20 |
bshum |
@hate HP |
| 15:20 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum hates HP. |
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Dyrcona |
I usually test four or five branches at once, and add in our local customization branches. |
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Dyrcona |
And, when I see signed off lp bugs that aren't fix committed, I'll sometimes merge those in, do a quick smoke test, then push them. |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
@loves |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona loves git; scripted sign off; sed; OpenBSD; gnu/emacs; and git tag |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
@loves bshum |
| 15:30 |
pinesol_green |
bshum loves Evergreen; chocolate chip cookies; git; tpac; yaous; rain; piwik; lunch; Fridays; cake; pizza; Star Trek; pgadmin; donuts; autoupdate; quassel; kvm; roulette; PostgreSQL magic; snow days; new hardware; new toys; SQL; fall; the Community; mosh; and logs |
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| 15:32 |
mmorgan |
Any thoughts on my question from before about action.hold_request? If a hold is filled because a related checkout happened, what determines fulfillment_lib? The library where the checkout occurred? |
| 15:32 |
mmorgan |
In Circulate.pm, I can see $hold->fulfillment_lib($self->circ_lib); Wonder if I'm reading that right. |
| 15:33 |
tsbere |
mmorgan: I believe that is what is going on. |
| 15:34 |
mmorgan |
tsbere: Thanks. We found holds where fulfillment_lib is different from pickup_lib and figured out that these are checkouts filling a related hold. |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
That's from handle_checkout_holds on the circulator object? |
| 15:39 |
miker |
mmorgan: double-confirmed, it's the circulating library |
| 15:41 |
mmorgan |
OK Thanks! |
| 15:41 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: I believe the answer to your question is yes. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
And that's what it looks like to me. |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
Although circ_lib can get changed at one point. |
| 15:43 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: Under what circumstances? |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
It wouldn't affect your situation. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
When renewing, it can change if use circ lib flags are set for OPAC renewals or desk renewals. |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
Not flags, aou settings. |
| 15:46 |
mmorgan |
Ok, we're looking for the best field in action.hold_request to count filled holds by library. |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
Grr. It is a global flag. |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan: We usually use pickup lib versus copy circ lib. |
| 15:47 |
* Dyrcona |
seems to be off this afternoon. |
| 15:48 |
mmorgan |
We were using pickup_lib, but then noticed fulfillment_lib and wondered if that was better. |
| 15:48 |
mmorgan |
Seems that fulfillment_lib is better in the case of Checkout fills related hold. |
| 15:50 |
mmorgan |
.. which is an ou setting. |
| 15:51 |
mmorgan |
Anyway I think I have my answer :) tsbere++ miker++ Dyrcona++ |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
Anyone know why EDI would use an account other than the default for the provider? |
| 16:03 |
Bmagic |
I have a purchase order with a provider of 20 who has a default edit account of 8. When EDI ran, it used account 7 instead of 8 (why?) |
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| 16:10 |
Bmagic |
Might it have something to do with the link back to the provider from acq.edi_account? The default edi account for the provider doesn't match the provider ID referenced in edi_account |
| 16:18 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic: Acq is not my area, but can't there be more than one account associated with a provider? |
| 16:19 |
berick |
Bmagic: you're positive it hasn't changed? |
| 16:19 |
Bmagic |
berick: Which? |
| 16:19 |
berick |
mmorgan: it should use the default account for all outbound messages. |
| 16:20 |
berick |
Bmagic: the edi_default value on the provider. |
| 16:20 |
Bmagic |
it hasn't changed |
| 16:20 |
Bmagic |
I just noticed that my provider 20 -> EDI 8 but EDI8 -> provider 21 |
| 16:21 |
Bmagic |
perhaps the "Activate" PO doesn't use the default provider's EDI but instead looks up the Account based on the Provider column in the EDI_account? |
| 16:23 |
berick |
Bmagic: not according to the code. edi_pusher fetches each PO, fleshing the provider and provider->edi_default, which is where it gets the account for each EDI message |
| 16:23 |
berick |
that's my way of saying I don't know why you're seeing what you're seeing :( |
| 16:34 |
Bmagic |
berick: thanks, I will look more |
| 16:47 |
mrpeters |
is spidermonkey not a dependency for ubuntu anymore? |
| 16:47 |
mrpeters |
i'm only seeing it in the fedora and debian Makefile's |
| 16:48 |
berick |
mrpeters: it's in there. see install_js_sm |
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| 16:51 |
Dyrcona |
mrpeters: SpiderMonkey is about to disappear from the requirements. |
| 16:52 |
mrpeters |
will it be gone before the next 2.8 release? |
| 16:52 |
mrpeters |
berick: thansk |
| 16:52 |
Dyrcona |
Nope. It will be gone in 2.9. |
| 16:53 |
pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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Bmagic |
I give up, what table keeps the patron credit (when choosing to convert change to patron credit) ? |
| 17:02 |
berick |
Bmagic: you'll never guess... actor.usr :) |
| 17:02 |
berick |
credit_forward_balance |
| 17:04 |
Bmagic |
lol! |
| 17:04 |
Bmagic |
I looked in actor.usr |
| 17:04 |
Bmagic |
wouldn't have guessed that column though |
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| 17:27 |
Bmagic |
berick: reading it now, it makes sense! but I guess I overlooked it when I was browsing. Thank you! |
| 17:27 |
Bmagic |
berick++ |
| 17:29 |
berick |
cool, no problemo |
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* jwoodard |
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* jeff |
yawns |
| 23:29 |
* bshum |
is quietly patching servers |
| 23:31 |
jeff |
thankless work. |
| 23:31 |
bshum |
Seriously though |
| 23:57 |
* kmlussier |
waves to jeff and bshum |
| 23:57 |
* bshum |
likes happily patched servers. |
| 23:57 |
* bshum |
waves back at kmlussier |
| 23:58 |
jeff |
kmlussier: good evening! |
