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09:19 devius hi people:-)
09:19 devius can somebody help me?
09:20 dbwells what's your issue?
09:21 devius I am looking for Appliance with latest stable Evergreen
09:22 devius we have difficulties to install it on our server
09:22 mrpeters devius: hmm, what do you mean by "appliance"
09:22 mrpeters do you perhaps mean support?
09:23 devius virtual machine with preinstalled evergreen
09:23 dbwells I don't think anyone maintains one anymore.
09:23 mrpeters Unfortunately, we do not offer those anymore becuase they were too frequently needing to be updated
09:23 mrpeters I would, however, be more than happy to assist you in getting Evergreen up and running
09:23 devius when I google for it i saw old images
09:24 csharp yeah, that's my understanding, though now that we're on a 6-month release cycle it might not be as much of a bear to maintain one
09:24 devius nice
09:24 devius and when we can do such good job?
09:25 devius I am linux admin and have knowledge to install but with evergreen i ran into trouble
09:25 mrpeters devius: part of my job is to provide community support, so we can work on this at anytime that is convenient for you
09:25 tsbere devius: What linux distro are you installing on?
09:25 devius Ubuntu
09:25 tsbere Which version?
09:25 devius 14.04 LTS
09:26 mrpeters assuming Evergreen 2.8?
09:26 devius on my vmware
09:26 devius yep
09:26 mrpeters great
09:26 tsbere I just finished installing multiple Evergreen installs on 14.04 in the past week or so
09:26 mrpeters same here
09:26 mrpeters to learn how to configure web staff client
09:26 mrpeters devius: what time zone are you in?  is this the beginning or end of your day?
09:26 devius gmt+4
09:26 tsbere For issues: I ran into a busted apache package. I am told they have since fixed it, but purging and re-installing apache may be needed if you got the busted one (only some mirrors had it)
09:26 devius its end of my time
09:27 mrpeters i could spend an hour or 2 with you in a remote support session today to explain everything
09:27 devius maybe tomorrow
09:27 mrpeters ok, im -4 so its start of my day, and sadly im out tomorrow
09:27 devius ok, no problem
09:27 mrpeters but i would love to help walk you through the install -- you'll get much more value from that than using a pre-configured VM
09:27 mrpeters how much time is left in your day?
09:27 devius I can wait maybe monday?
09:28 devius 30 mins
09:28 mrpeters we could start with OpenSRF
09:28 mrpeters that shouldnt take more than 30 minutes
09:28 mrpeters send me a PM and we can make arrangements
09:29 devius I am using web client on irc
09:30 devius I will download irc client and reconnect
09:30 mrpeters i sent you a pm -- it might pop up next to the #evergreen tab
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09:54 rjackson_isl Dyrcona++ for quick verification of Bug 1459663 and missing screen shot!
09:54 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1459663 in Evergreen 2.8 "Date Last Edited on Check In Unreadable" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1459663
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10:26 Dyrcona I don't imagine that we want/need to backport the  branch for lp 1444623
10:26 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1444623 in Evergreen ""Safe" is no longer needed as a separate CPAN package" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444623 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc)
10:26 Dyrcona Alhtough, gmcharlt is supposedly still looking at it, so I'll back off.
10:27 gmcharlt Dyrcona: yeah, and I need to actually do so, which I'll do today
10:27 gmcharlt as far as backporting, I don't feel strongly one way or the other
10:27 Dyrcona Stompro says "Works for me."
10:27 Dyrcona Which works for me.
10:28 Dyrcona :)
10:28 Dyrcona I'm just looking at branches that I'm merging and looking for things for Monday.
10:28 Dyrcona I hope to get the web staff client working then.
10:28 gmcharlt Dyrcona++
10:29 kmlussier devius: You might also want to try the Trusty installer listed here - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=server_installation:semi_automated
10:31 mrpeters kmlussier++
10:31 mrpeters we're doing some 1 on 1 training :)
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10:57 Dyrcona berick: For lp 1452950, should I look at user/berick/lp1452950-web-client-patron-reg-phase1 or user/berick/lp1452950-web-client-patron-reg-wip?
10:57 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1452950 in Evergreen "Angularize the patron editor" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452950 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick)
10:57 berick Dyrcona: user/berick/lp1452950-web-client-patron-reg-phase1
10:58 Dyrcona berick: Thanks, muchly. :)
10:58 berick thank you
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11:02 jeff berick, eeevil: during a talk, i think one of you suggested a favorite source of glyphs/icons -- am i remembering correctly, and can you remind me what that source was?
11:02 berick jeff: bootstrap site
11:02 berick http://getbootstrap.com/components/
11:02 eeevil bah
11:02 eeevil beat me too it ;)
11:02 eeevil to, even
11:03 jeff ah, gracias!
11:03 * berick blows smoke from fingers
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11:08 Dyrcona heh
11:09 jeff Stompro_conf: miss the shuttle, stuck at the conference still?
11:09 Dyrcona Mentioned using Angular to someone recently. The reply was, "You should use bootstrap." ;)
11:14 Dyrcona The Evergreen calendar seems to have a problem with the monthly developer meetings.
11:14 Dyrcona It shows up as the 3rd of every month, when it should be the first Wednesday of every month.
11:15 berick Dyrcona: fixing..
11:16 berick should be better now
11:17 Dyrcona berick++
11:18 Stompro_conf Jeff, just haven't used this laptop for irc since conference.
11:19 jeff for anyone using CollectionHQ: do you have interest in seeing your in-house use figures included in CollectionHQ, either as a custom field or counted as circs?
11:25 mrpeters devius++ An Evergreen pro now!
11:27 Dyrcona mrpeters++
11:28 Dyrcona @praise 2 mrpeters
11:28 * pinesol_green mrpeters is kind and patient to newbies
11:31 mrpeters haha
11:31 mrpeters nice
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12:21 Bmagic So I am trying to find the javascript code that fleshes out a circulation in the items out screen on the staff client. I see where it's calling open-ils.actor.user.checked_out.authoritative but I don't find where that function is implemented in javascript
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12:31 berick bmills: that's an API call.. it's implemented in Perl.
12:31 berick arg, sorry
12:31 berick Bmagic: ^--
12:31 dbwells Bmagic: that function isn't implemented in Javascript.  It's a server-side method which probably returns Perl fieldmapper objects, which are then converted to JS fieldmapper objects when it gets to this side.
12:32 Bmagic yeah, it's slowly becoming clear
12:32 dbwells s/this side/client side/
12:32 eeevil Bmagic: also, the name you'll look for on the perl side is  open-ils.actor.user.checked_out ... the .authoritative suffix is "magic"
12:33 Bmagic So far, I have got there
12:34 Bmagic I would like to add a column to the interface that returns the results of a query against the action.hold_copy_map, seems pretty straight forward, but...
12:35 Bmagic I think I need to register a new perl method and corrisponding function to make the query and get the data and return it to javascript
12:35 eeevil ye olde "has holds waiting on it" per copy, I'm guessing?
12:35 Bmagic something like that
12:36 Bmagic Is there something already in place for this?
12:36 eeevil not per se, I don't think
12:36 Bmagic oh good
12:37 eeevil I don't recall the shape of the data coming out of open-ils.actor.user.checked_out, but if it gives per-copy output it might be possible to just tack the data you want onto the end... perhaps even within the current query via fleshing
12:38 eeevil of course, beware data size 'splosion ... what, exactly, are you looking for? all holds that mention the copy, or just a count?
12:38 Bmagic Is there a perl method that accepts a copy id and returns the number of non-canceled holds that it could fill?
12:39 Dyrcona I used  actor.user.checked_out in a program recently.
12:40 eeevil there's a backend method that returns the list of holds, but not a count only, IIRC
12:41 Dyrcona It returns a hashref with members for circ, record and copy.
12:41 Bmagic a list of holds would probably work
12:42 Dyrcona Well, an array of hashrefs.
12:42 berick i may miss the 1pm meeting.  I'd like to cast an absentee ballot for Dyrcona :)
12:43 Dyrcona berick: Committers can email the deve list, IIRC.
12:43 * berick nods
12:45 * dbwells inspects berick's ballot to make sure all holes are fully punched
12:45 dbwells wouldn't want a recount
12:46 Dyrcona Bmagic: You could modify open-ils.actor.user.checked_out to make a call to Circ::Holds::fetch_open_hold_by_current_copy() and include the results in the hashref.
12:46 Bmagic Dyrcona: I'll look at that
12:46 kmlussier Do hanging chads count?
12:47 * Dyrcona wonders what Chad did that makes everyone want to hang him... *groan*
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12:49 kmlussier Dyrcona: That's terrible
12:49 dbwells Dyrcona knows how I like my jokes; groans built in, please
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12:53 Bmagic Dyrcona: I don't think that will work because it returns lists of action.circulation and I need count of action.hold_request
12:53 Dyrcona Bmagic: fetch_open_hold_by_current_copy actually returns only the first hold.
12:54 Bmagic ah, yet another issue
12:54 Dyrcona Bmagic: I was saying to extend the checked out method to include holds by current copy.
12:54 Dyrcona Well, you could copy the cstore search code into the other and return the results.
12:55 Bmagic The table that open-ils.actor.user.checked_out is FM ocirclist
12:56 Bmagic so, you are suggesting adding another section to the FM_IDL right?
12:56 Dyrcona Well, just adding to the IDL won't help you, 'cause it doesn't return a real object.
12:57 Dyrcona It returns an array of hashref with various fields in it.
12:57 Dyrcona You could safely add a new field and not break existing uses of it.
12:57 Bmagic I see that in Actor.pm %result = (
12:58 Bmagic but that is in the context of the usr
12:58 Bmagic or am I in the wrong section?
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12:59 Bmagic Dyrcona: I want the results of select count(*) from action.hold_request where cancel_time is null and fulfillment_time is null and capture_time is null and id in (select hold from action.hold_copy_map where target_copy=**this copy**)
13:00 mixo hallo
13:00 gmcharlt I guess it's meeting time
13:00 mixo I have evergreen 2.8.1. I try "fast item add" and get error. After debug in fixme window i get:
13:00 gmcharlt do we have anything on the agenda besides the RM election?
13:00 mixo cat.util.fast_item_add   { "fileName":"oils://remote/xul/​rel_2_8_1/server/cat/util.js", "lineNumber":586 }
13:01 dbwells gmcharlt: I think it's an election-only meeting
13:01 Dyrcona gmcharlt: No.
13:01 mixo in osrfsys.log I cant find eny errors, but I see "INSERT INTO" only in biblio.record_entry table, Not in asset.copy table or asset.call_number table.
13:01 gmcharlt ok, I'll go ahead and get things started
13:01 Dyrcona mixo: Please wait.
13:01 gmcharlt #startmeeting Developer meeting 28 May 2015 - 2.9 release manager elections
13:01 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu May 28 13:01:52 2015 US/Eastern.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:01 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
13:01 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to 'developer_meeting_28_may_2015__​_2_9_release_manager_elections'
13:02 gmcharlt #topic Roll call
13:02 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox Software
13:02 jeff #info jeff is Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL)
13:02 Bmagic #info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS
13:02 dbwells #info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
13:02 Dyrcona #info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, MVLC
13:02 remingtron #info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
13:03 ldw #info ldw = Liam Whalen, Sitka
13:03 collum #info collum = Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library
13:04 tsbere #info tsbere = Thomas Berezansky, MVLC
13:04 kmlussier #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC
13:04 jeffdavis #info jeffdavis = Jeff Davis, Sitka
13:06 gmcharlt #topic RM candidate
13:06 gmcharlt #info Jason Stephenson is the sole nominee
13:06 RoganH #info RoganH = Rogan Hamby, SC LENDS
13:07 gmcharlt #info Jason's RM plans are stated at http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipe​rmail/open-ils-dev/2015-May/009848.html and http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipe​rmail/open-ils-dev/2015-May/009849.html
13:07 gmcharlt so, before we proceed to the vote, do you wish to make any statement, Dyrcona?
13:07 gmcharlt and do folks have any questions for him?
13:08 Dyrcona I don't really have a statement to make at this time.
13:08 Dyrcona But, if there are questions, I'll be happy to answer.
13:09 jeff Dyrcona: Do you have any concerns/objections to continued merging of web staff client code?
13:09 jeff Dyrcona: I ask only because your plans made no mention of web staff client, and I don't want to assume.
13:10 Dyrcona No, I don't. I should have mentioned that I'm looking forward to more code in that area.
13:10 jeff Dyrcona: Great! Thanks!
13:10 Dyrcona I am finally getting around to trying it on our data.
13:10 eeevil #info eeevil = Mike Rylander, ESI
13:13 gmcharlt one more minute to see if any more questions get asked
13:14 eeevil jeff asked mine :)
13:14 gmcharlt :)
13:14 gmcharlt #startvote Shall Jason Stephenson be named release manager for Evergreen 2.9? Yes, No, Abstain
13:14 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Shall Jason Stephenson be named release manager for Evergreen 2.9? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
13:14 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
13:14 gmcharlt #vote Yes
13:14 RoganH #vote yes
13:15 Dyrcona #vote Abstain
13:15 dbwells #vote Yes
13:15 remingtron #vote Yes
13:15 jeff #vote Yes
13:15 ldw #vote Yes
13:15 collum #vote yes
13:15 kmlussier #vote Yes
13:15 tsbere #vote Yes
13:15 jeffdavis #vote Yes
13:15 eeevil #vote yes
13:16 bshum #vote yes
13:16 gmcharlt that just about covers the roll call, so I'm making a one-minute warning before I close the vote
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13:17 mixo hallo   I have evergreen 2.8.1. I try "fast item add" and get error. After debug in fixme window i get:  cat.util.fast_item_add   { "fileName":"oils://remote/xul/​rel_2_8_1/server/cat/util.js", "lineNumber":586 }   in osrfsys.log I cant find eny errors, but I see "INSERT INTO" only in biblio.record_entry table, Not in asset.copy table or asset.call_number table.
13:18 gmcharlt #endvote
13:18 pinesol_green Voted on "Shall Jason Stephenson be named release manager for Evergreen 2.9?" Results are
13:18 pinesol_green Yes (12): kmlussier, jeff, RoganH, collum, dbwells, ldw, jeffdavis, remingtron, bshum, gmcharlt, tsbere, eeevil
13:18 pinesol_green Abstain (1): Dyrcona
13:18 dbwells mixo: We're wrapping up a business meeting, but if you ask again in a few minutes, someone will probably help out.
13:18 gmcharlt #info Jason Stephenson (Dyrcona) is elected release manager for Evergreen 2.9
13:18 gmcharlt Dyrcona++
13:18 jeff Dyrcona++
13:18 kmlussier Dyrcona++
13:18 bshum Dyrcona++
13:19 collum Dyrcona++
13:19 csharp #vote Yes
13:19 csharp d'oh!
13:19 csharp Dyrcona++
13:20 gmcharlt and, that does it for the meetig
13:20 gmcharlt #endmeeting
13:20 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu May 28 13:20:19 2015 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
13:20 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-05-28-13.01.html
13:20 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-05-28-13.01.txt
13:20 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2015/evergreen.2015-05-28-13.01.log.html
13:20 Dyrcona Thank you all.
13:20 Dyrcona I hope I live up to everyone's expectations.
13:20 * Dyrcona bows.
13:21 bshum "I just want you to know, good luck, we're all counting on you."
13:21 csharp bshum++
13:22 Dyrcona bshum++
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13:23 Dyrcona Bmagic: I'm talking about open-ils.circ.actor.user.checked_out, which is in Circ.pm. I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.
13:24 jeff Dyrcona: what kinds of tests (if any) do you want to see for selfcheck/jspac/craftsman/script-based removal? Just "release notes + live tests / manual testing as appropriate"?
13:25 Dyrcona jeff: Yeah, I think release notes + live tests (if possible) plus manual testing should do it.
13:25 jeff Good deal.
13:25 Dyrcona If anyone can come up with live tests for these, they may make good models to follow in the future.
13:27 jeff And I'll reply in-bug, but yes -- that jspac removal branch is intended to be sequential, remove legacy self checkout, remove old bbags interface, remove jspac. The bbags interface and/or dtree removal can be their own bugs.
13:27 jeff I didn't want to get too bug-happy.
13:27 jeff But I also didn't want it to be one massive "remove all this" commit either.
13:28 bshum jeff just wants separate karma bumps for each job well done ;)
13:28 bshum jeff++ # because he's awesome
13:29 jeff The karma's nice, but having a cleaner codebase is nicer. :-)
13:30 * bshum likes testing one thing at a time anyways.
13:30 jeff *nod*
13:31 Dyrcona heh
13:31 berick jeff: i'm sure you saw, but I rebased and cleaned up a bunch in bug #1312308
13:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1312308 in Evergreen "time to remove script-based circ policies" (affected: 3, heat: 20) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312308
13:31 berick i know you were building off that branch for a while...
13:31 Dyrcona I can see why legacy self-check and JSPAC might need to be removed together if the self check depends on JSPAC stuff.
13:33 Dyrcona Bmagic: I've been looking through Holds.pm for a call that you might to retrieve what holds a copy could fill and I'm not finding much.
13:33 berick selfcheck can be removed w/o removing JSPAC, but not vice versa
13:33 Dyrcona berick: Makes sense.
13:34 * jeff nods
13:34 jeff berick: i wasn't building off your circ script branch, but i was keeping a close eye on it -- thanks! :-)
13:36 berick ah, cool
13:40 Bmagic Dyrcona++
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13:44 kmlussier So test plans for bug fixes go in the commit message? Should they be put on the LP bug too?
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14:37 gmcharlt kmlussier: good question, and I think it would be a good to do experiment informally
14:37 gmcharlt I lean towards putting them in the LP too as a way of further explaining the bug
14:37 * kmlussier is in the middle of writing her test plan in a commit message and hopes the experiment involves that particular step.
14:38 kmlussier Yeah, that's where I was leaning.
14:41 eeevil kmlussier: my thought is, since the author will have the commit message, they could just cut/paste the whole thing. I do that often (laziness being a virtue)
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15:55 Bmagic what is the login syntax for srf shell?
15:57 jeff login username password
15:57 jeff login is a "helper" command, essentially.
15:58 Bmagic I see
15:58 jeff and it's actually: login <username> <password> [type] [org_unit] [workstation]
15:58 Bmagic now that I am logged in, I have a auth token, I want to pass that into a srf call
15:59 Bmagic like "request open-ils.storage open-ils.storage.action.circu​lation.overdue.generate_fines 1"
15:59 jeff sure: request open-ils.auth open-ils.auth.session.retrieve "authtoken"
16:00 Dyrcona Also, the login would have printed your authtoken to the screen. I usually copy and paste that.
16:00 jeff or "print login"
16:00 Dyrcona And I don't think storage requires an authtoken.
16:01 Bmagic right, but circ does, which is what I am really querying
16:01 Bmagic I think I got it
16:01 Bmagic thanks guys!
16:01 Bmagic jeff++
16:01 Dyrcona Bmagic: Right.
16:01 jeff you're not going to need an auth token to talk to things like open-ils.cstore and such, because those are private-only services, and srfsh talks on the private opensrf domain.
16:01 Bmagic Dyrcona++ # hanabi
16:01 Dyrcona heh
16:01 Dyrcona Bmagic++ # hanabi
16:02 Dyrcona BTW, my daughter likes the game, too.
16:02 Bmagic ah! I was going to ask about that!
16:02 Bmagic Jasonsdaughter++
16:02 hopkinsju Hanabi++
16:03 Dyrcona hanabi++
16:03 hopkinsju I think we should make Hanabi the official game of Evergreen
16:03 kmlussier hanabi++
16:03 hopkinsju We should do teams tournament next year
16:04 Dyrcona Anyway, I popped back into the channel to say that I added a discussion of the Evergreen 2.9 release road map to the agenda for the next developers' meeting.
16:05 jeff logical!
16:05 * jeff frowns
16:18 * Dyrcona rejects his own tickets.
16:19 Dyrcona In RT, not in Launchpad.
16:19 * jeff nods
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16:35 gsams I'm curious, what age-protection rules does everyone else have in their system?
16:37 gsams We've been rolling with 3 and 6 month forever, but I recently added a few on request and it got me curious.
16:38 Dyrcona Two weeks.
16:38 jeff we have the stock two, we use only one of them -- some branches place 3mos protection on all items, meaning it stays local to them for that time.
16:53 kmlussier Would there be any objection to my moving bug 1403966 from wishlist to bug?
16:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1403966 in Evergreen "Search results for metarecord search should exclude publication-specific information from the display" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1403966
16:55 jeff kmlussier: none here
16:55 kmlussier My main goal at the moment is to get in the list of things that can be tested for Bug Squashing Day.  If I keep it at wishlist, it's excluded. :)
16:57 * kmlussier hears the thunder rumble in the distance and decides to leave before the storm arrives
17:00 Dyrcona Too late. Storm's here.
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17:02 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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17:43 gsams Dyrcona: What sort of items get that sort of protection?  That seems really short.
17:43 gsams jeff: we all tend to default to 6 months
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20:38 jeff in general, i dislike age hold protection. it's hard to justify in our environment.
20:38 jeff "yes, we have that. no, nobody else currently wants it. no, you can't have it."
20:39 jeff "unless you drive over to library X"
20:39 jeff "yes, we could transit it for you in a day or two, but we won't because... reasons."
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