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12:41 kmlussier It's a quiet day in Evergreen land.
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13:22 kmlussier yboston: Do you think you might have a chance to look at Dananji's doc contribution for the MVF icons? If not, let me know and I'll try to set aside some time for it. I've got back-to-back meetings today, but maybe I can take a quick look tonight.
13:28 yboston kmlussier: I don't think I will get to it today :(
13:28 yboston kmlussier: I still need to reply to the greek candidate, will do that now
13:28 kmlussier yboston: OK, I'll take care of it then. Thanks!
13:28 kmlussier I'm at a conference Monday and Tuesday, so busy times here. :)
13:29 yboston good to know, will try to help more byt hen
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13:41 berick kmlussier: thanks for helping julia yesterday.  sorry i missed the fun.
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14:05 dbwells kmlussier: Since it is an area I have a lot of interest in, berick has agreed to have me come on as a third mentor for the UI style guide project.  He's going to start getting me into the communication loop on his side, but I wanted to make sure you, as the program coordinator, knew (and were alright with it), and could also start copying me on any communcations I might need from here forward.
14:12 berick dbwells++
14:15 Bmagic csharp: It turned out to be a penalty that blocked holds. Weird, the error was misleading for sure
14:18 dbwells yboston: After some experimenting, I think making the CN normalizers immutable won't cause as many problems as I feared.
14:18 dbwells yboston: With that in mind, here is a quick draft of the call number branch you have been wanting for some time: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/user/dbwells/cn_normalizer_detection
14:19 yboston dbwells: cool, I remmeber hearing some other discussion about making certain things inmuttable in PG, but did not realized it impacted CN
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14:20 dbwells yboston: I need to double-check a few things before I make a bug for it, but at least it's there now if you want to do any early testing on it.
14:20 bshum Bmagic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1382637 is a duplicate of larger discussion at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/937789
14:20 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1382637 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382637). The error has been logged
14:21 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #937789 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/937789). The error has been logged
14:21 bshum Hmm FUN!
14:21 bshum Oh, right
14:21 bshum It's something wrong with the DNS servers that Lupin is attached towards
14:21 bshum I noticed it earlier this morning, but don't know enough about PINES
14:21 yboston dbwells: I had been researching LC call number issues last week, so I can better aprpeciate your code
14:21 * bshum pokes csharp, et al
14:21 bshum kmlussier: Unrelated, parts--
14:21 Bmagic bshum: oh thanks for that! I didnt find 937789
14:22 yboston dbwells: I don't have a test server with prod data right now, I will either build a new one or add soem test LC call numbers to test it o
14:22 yboston *too
14:40 bshum Shoot, I think I just broke Lupin :(
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14:50 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org
14:51 csharp huh
14:54 bshum gmcharlt++
14:54 * bshum is waiting to begin his 16 hour flight.
14:55 kmlussier Oh, I almost forgot. parts++
14:55 gmcharlt bshum: direct?
14:55 * kmlussier needs to balance out the karma.
14:55 gmcharlt @karma parts
14:55 pinesol_green gmcharlt: Karma for "parts" has been increased 12 times and decreased 19 times for a total karma of -7.
14:55 bshum gmcharlt : Yep, one long flight.
14:55 kmlussier If mmorgan were here, she would give postiive karma too, so parts++
14:55 kmlussier :)
14:55 bshum :D
14:58 bshum I will say that parts merging feature in 2.7 made people happy.
15:03 csharp hmmm - I'm becoming more fond of A/T since I've had to get to know it more intimately implementing longoverdue
15:04 csharp however, I'm puzzled because the action_trigger_runner.pl process is gone, but I see things still working on the server
15:04 csharp like the drones are still following instructions?
15:04 csharp and the script didn't die because the lockfile is gone too
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15:08 krvmga does anyone know of a reason we wouldn't want to treat "&" and "and" as identical in title searches?
15:08 krvmga or equivalent for search purposes?
15:09 krvmga since they are clearly not identical.
15:09 csharp I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want to
15:09 csharp Dumb & Dumber/Dumb and Dumber - as an end user, I would want the actual title to come up either way
15:10 kmlussier yboston / dbwells: I'm curious. Does that call number issue only apply to LC numbers or does it apply to Dewey as well?
15:10 krvmga even if someone was being cutesy "The Life of the Ampers&nd", the 246 would have "The Life of the Ampersand".
15:10 * kmlussier is trying to think of an equivalent Dewey situation, but my brain cells are running on empty.
15:10 yboston yboston: I have no idea :(
15:10 * kmlussier thinks authors come up with titles like that just to drive librarians crazy.
15:11 csharp Se7en, for instance
15:11 csharp of course, 11/22/63 was totally unfindable when it came out
15:12 jcamins krvmga: "The story of so-and-so, &c." ?
15:12 krvmga jcamins: that's an interesting thought
15:13 gmcharlt "&" and " & " could be normalized differenlty
15:13 gmcharlt or I should say, "\&\S" and "\&"
15:13 kmlussier What the #$*! Do We Know!? the 246 is what the bleep do we know, but what patron would think to enter it.
15:13 krvmga jcamins: http://www.wdl.org/en/item/3349/ as a case in point
15:13 jcamins Fortunately, there is no word "andc," so it's unlikely that you'd get false positives.
15:14 jcamins krvmga: yeah, "&c." is actually common enough that I've been known to write it myself.
15:14 * gmcharlt too
15:15 krvmga jcamins: unless andc is an acronym for something
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15:15 jcamins gmcharlt: we should form a support group. "Hi, I am Jared. I use antiquated abbreviations."
15:15 gmcharlt :)
15:15 jcamins krvmga: oh, right. Better use gmcharlt's suggestion.
15:15 jcamins ("Vale, Jared!")
15:16 krvmga i write my ampersand like a backwards 3 with a little vertical line above and below it.
15:16 jcamins Me too.
15:16 krvmga perhaps i need a support group
15:16 jcamins I only know one person who can write a proper ampersand, and I can't remember who that person is.
15:16 kmlussier I wouldn't even try to write an ampersand.
15:17 jcamins kmlussier: ampersands are awesome.
15:17 * jcamins put an ampersand in the name of his company for that very reason. It may not have been the best choice from a catalog searching standpoint.
15:17 kmlussier If I'm handwriting, I usually just write a plus sign for may ands. Much easier.
15:18 kmlussier s/may/my
15:18 jcamins kmlussier: easier, but less satisfying, alas.
15:19 krvmga so how do i make "&" and "and" equal from the catalog's POV?
15:20 jcamins krvmga: no idea, but now I want to do this for Koha, only making it translate & to "et."
15:20 * jcamins knows how to do it for Koha, but that doesn't help you.
15:21 * krvmga is happy for jcamins.
15:21 jcamins Hehe.
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15:23 jeffdavis &c.++
15:23 krvmga lol
15:23 kmlussier Not necessarily a related topic, but it reminds me of the bug mmorgan recently filed where we now have trouble with phrase searches that begin or end in punctuation. I had always seen one of Evergreen's strengths was its ability to find things like titles on C++. It would be nice if we could find out why that stopped working correctly.
15:24 kmlussier bug 1373601
15:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1373601 in Evergreen "Searching the catalog for a phrase match fails when the search term begins or ends with certain characters." (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373601
15:24 gmcharlt krvmga: for select index definitions, update config.metabib_field_index_norm_map to use the "Replace" normalizer to map ' & ' to ' and ' is one possibility
15:24 kmlussier Oh, nice, that's working again.
15:24 krvmga jeffdavis++ #for making such a subtle joke
15:24 krvmga gmcharlt: thanks. i thought maybe that might be the way to go.
15:25 krvmga gmcharlt++
15:27 jeffdavis krvmga: more subtle than I initially realized, but hey. :)
15:30 krvmga jeffdavis: the answer always is "i meant to do that". :)
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