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bene_ |
Hello guys how to remove the example? |
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Guest2792 |
How to remove the example? |
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Guest2792 |
Hello guys I have problem |
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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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akilsdonk |
morning |
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bshum |
akilsdonk: Good morning! |
| 08:22 |
akilsdonk |
bshum: :) now if only I were awake enough to be in the right channel... |
| 08:22 |
bshum |
:D |
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graced |
It's never a bad thing to wish Evergreen channel a good morning. |
| 08:29 |
berick |
and to receive a warm bshum welcome |
| 08:30 |
* bshum |
has been singing to himself, "good morning" song for the past couple minutes. |
| 08:30 |
* graced |
is now signing it, too |
| 08:31 |
graced |
or singing even |
| 08:31 |
bshum |
I don't know, today feels like it's going to be a good day. :P |
| 08:33 |
csharp |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRu_-9MBpd4 |
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bshum |
csharp: Okay, that was fairly disturbing :) |
| 08:36 |
bshum |
But I'm back on stride again :D |
| 08:36 |
csharp |
bshum: didn't mean to throw you off - the conversation brought it to mind ;-) |
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bradl |
bshum: you mean the singing in the rain good morning song? |
| 08:37 |
* csharp |
also thought of "Good Morning Good Morning" on Sgt. Pepper |
| 08:37 |
bshum |
bradl: Right, yes. |
| 08:37 |
csharp |
or "Good Day Sunshine" which is my wife's wake up song |
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berick |
csharp: sgt pep. is where I went, too |
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bradl |
bshum: great! I feel like I should be waiting for Magic Kingdom to open :) |
| 08:38 |
csharp |
Beatles++ |
| 08:46 |
csharp |
bshum++ # I think I like your youtube vid better than mine ;-) |
| 08:46 |
csharp |
funny, though I claim to be a movie buff, I've never seen Singin' in the Rain |
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bshum |
csharp: Mom liked musicals, so we watched them a lot growing up. I like them too. |
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csharp |
my favorite musical growing up was My Fair Lady, but I wasn't into musicals in general |
| 08:54 |
bshum |
That's a good one too. |
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Dyrcona |
The Joy of Software -- for certain definitions of joy. |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: does the new marc_export script output any information about records that are larger than 99999 bytes? the old one just outputs "Record length of 223776 is larger than the MARC spec allows" (for example) from MARC::Record |
| 09:12 |
csharp |
we're trying to identify the records that end up being too big when doing bibs + holdings |
| 09:12 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: It might output to standard error. IIRC, MARC::Record does that. |
| 09:13 |
csharp |
okay - I figured that was the case - thanks |
| 09:13 |
bshum |
csharp: I think that was just a warning though, I thought it still attempted to output the record anyways. |
| 09:13 |
Dyrcona |
I get a lot of messages about bad character conversions to standard error when I run it. |
| 09:13 |
bshum |
Or maybe it doesn't when it's USMARC output selected, vs. MARCXML |
| 09:14 |
* bshum |
remembers seeing huge records go through somewhere, sometime. |
| 09:14 |
Dyrcona |
bshum csharp: Last time that I looked into it, the record that is too big gets output with size set to maximum, 99999. |
| 09:14 |
* bshum |
hates that the warning is the size, not the bib ID |
| 09:15 |
Dyrcona |
I recently had fun with a vendor who calculated record size using characters, while the standard and MARC::Record count bytes. |
| 09:15 |
Dyrcona |
characters <> bytes |
| 09:16 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: I'm not sure the bib id can be reliably determined at the level where the error occurs. |
| 09:16 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose marc_export could be modified to check for the error and alter the output. |
| 09:17 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: I figured that, I was just always confused personally because I would stare at that number thinking it was the ID and going wth when looking at the same ID in my biblio.record_entry and remarking on how small it was :D |
| 09:17 |
Dyrcona |
hee hee. |
| 09:17 |
csharp |
yeah, I just went down that road ;-) |
| 09:17 |
bshum |
:D |
| 09:17 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Patches/branches are welcome. :) |
| 09:17 |
bshum |
But yeah, that's what I thought too, that it'll export the record anyways, but set the size to the max? |
| 09:19 |
Dyrcona |
I find that add holdings is what usually makes the records too large. |
| 09:19 |
bshum |
Definitely. |
| 09:19 |
Dyrcona |
Any bestseller that has 4 or 5 copies per library for instance. |
| 09:19 |
bshum |
Stupid New York Times magazine |
| 09:19 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, yeah, and serials that get entered as copies.... :) |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: I supsect that many of our too-large records are serials entered as copies, since those records were around long before serials existed in EG |
| 09:26 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. I think the same is true for our biggest records. |
| 09:26 |
Dyrcona |
It was also how serials were cataloged on our previous ILS, since we didn't have the serials module for it. |
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Dyrcona |
@blame Canonical |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Canonical musta been an Apple employee. |
| 09:53 |
Dyrcona |
True dat! |
| 09:53 |
Dyrcona |
Canonical: The Apple of GNU/Linux. |
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Dyrcona |
Yay for incompatible versions of packaged sowftware! |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
sowftware? oh well. |
| 10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Incidentally, I recommend against upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 on your servers at the moment. |
| 10:15 |
* bshum |
likes 14.04 generally. |
| 10:15 |
bshum |
But yeah, it's a bit premature to upgrade too much. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
The upgrade hosed my laptop. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
I had to reinstall fresh to get a bootable system. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
My experience with the 12.04 or 13.10 to 14.04 upgrade so far has been painful. |
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| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
Ok. Time to set EDI stuff on our training server. |
| 10:33 |
* csharp |
hasn't seen issues using 14.04 on his desktops/laptop |
| 10:34 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: what software is incompatible? |
| 10:34 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: I'm working with EDI now too, FYI, if you want to compare notes at any point |
| 10:35 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: I understand that Perl 5.18 causes some issues with tests in CPAN packages as well possibly our tests. |
| 10:35 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: I know that Horde, ckeditor, and mobile jquery, are installed with incompatible versions. |
| 10:35 |
csharp |
eww |
| 10:35 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: The latter causes parts of Horde web mail not to function properly. |
| 10:36 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: We're working on fixing the incompatibilities, i.e. by finding suitable code to install, and then we'll likely file bugs on Launchpad. |
| 10:36 |
Dyrcona |
Not for Perl, though. |
| 10:36 |
csharp |
yikes |
| 10:37 |
Dyrcona |
Also after the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 on our mail server, we've had to reconfigure nearly everything. |
| 10:37 |
Dyrcona |
The horde web mail system couldn't find most of its data, 'cause it went from version 3 to 5, and things had moved. |
| 10:38 |
Dyrcona |
So, tsbere spent most of yesterday just moving stuff in the horde database. |
| 10:38 |
csharp |
lots of moving parts |
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| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
As for EDI, I'm using this documentation: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.5/_installation.html |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
I'll set that much up today, since I don't have the information to configure any testing with vendors, yet. |
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Dyrcona |
After that, I think I'll try upgrading my development vm from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 to see what breaks. |
| 10:41 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: see the message on e56f3e59 regarding the replacement PO JEDI template |
| 10:41 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] EDI order template improvements (no SQL upgrade script!) - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e56f3e5> |
| 10:42 |
csharp |
just to save you some gnashing of teeth |
| 10:42 |
bshum |
Also, if you will have vendors who want the enriched EDI stuff, you'll want to pay attention to https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1297967 (which isn't finished yet) |
| 10:42 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1297967 in Evergreen "document openils-mapper code for enriched EDI" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
| 10:43 |
bshum |
It's one of the little things berick and I were talking about at Code4Lib but haven't finished up yet. |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Thanks for the reminder. I had seen that message before, in the release notes, I think, but had forgotten about it. |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: Also thanks, I'll keep an eye on that bug. |
| 10:45 |
Dyrcona |
csharp++ bshum++ |
| 10:45 |
bshum |
I approached mklein who was also at Code4Lib, and basically the code is abandoned at this point for the ruby openils-mapper stuff. So berick and I were talking about making his the primary source to get around the missed details. |
| 10:46 |
bshum |
mbklein, rather. He was the author attached to the original source files. |
| 10:46 |
bshum |
We'll get there. |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose that this is a big deal: sudo: gem: command not found |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
From running ./install.sh |
| 10:49 |
bshum |
You installed subversion first right? |
| 10:49 |
* bshum |
hates this part of EDI |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
Ah... package names don't match. script has ruby-gems, Ubuntu 12.04 has rubygems |
| 10:49 |
bshum |
Yeesh |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I installed subversion. |
| 10:50 |
* bshum |
thought he installed on 12.04 just fine, but it's been awhile... |
| 10:50 |
* csharp |
is so far not impressed with ruby |
| 10:50 |
bshum |
Maybe I did some hackery |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
err no. I mistyped. |
| 10:50 |
csharp |
but that may just be a sign of my un-hipness ;-) |
| 10:50 |
bshum |
I don't like this part of our infrastructure at all. |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Nah, ruby was hip a few years ago, and still hipper than Perl or Python. :) |
| 10:50 |
csharp |
well, it feels very much out-of-band |
| 10:51 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. I agree that installing ruby just for EDI doesn't sit well. |
| 10:51 |
* csharp |
squeezes into skinny jeans and heads to the coffee shop |
| 10:51 |
berick |
csharp: you're not alone.. http://beust.com/weblog/2014/05/03/language-popularity-on-github/ |
| 10:51 |
dkyle |
I did a new 14.04/eg master install but at the end, apache seg faults loading all but 2 of the openils modules in eg_startup. has anyone else seen this? |
| 10:52 |
csharp |
berick: very interesting |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, well, its all very Discordian, this hodge podge of languages that Evergreen uses. |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
dkyle: Not yet. :) |
| 10:52 |
* Dyrcona |
hasn't upgraded, yet. |
| 10:53 |
csharp |
the steadiness of Python and C++ bears out what I understand about language trends |
| 10:53 |
Dyrcona |
Yep, JavaScript is new again.... ;) |
| 10:53 |
Dyrcona |
Who needs an O/S? We've got the browser! |
| 10:54 |
csharp |
I'd also be interested to see the total number of github repos for each year (to show percentages) |
| 10:54 |
Dyrcona |
Now, to figure out why ruby didn't install. |
| 10:55 |
* dbs |
enjoys comment 5 : http://beust.com/weblog/2014/05/03/language-popularity-on-github/#comment-18295 |
| 10:55 |
csharp |
dbs++ |
| 10:55 |
berick |
haha |
| 10:56 |
* berick |
hugs the Internet |
| 10:56 |
Dyrcona |
dbs++ |
| 10:56 |
berick |
.. and now I have multiple diseases |
| 10:56 |
csharp |
berick++ |
| 10:56 |
rfrasur |
berick++ |
| 10:56 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I think I saw Evergreen classed as JavaScript somewhere, even though there is more Perl than anything else. |
| 10:57 |
dbs |
http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2014/05/02/github-language-trends-and-the-fragmenting-landscape/ looks a little more in depth. (dberkholz is a good friend of the GSoC effort) |
| 10:57 |
dbs |
berick++ |
| 10:57 |
Dyrcona |
Ah. As for my problem, I noticed a message that apt-get failed to fetch some packages. |
| 11:00 |
Dyrcona |
For anyone following the EDI discussion: doing a sudo apt-get update before install.sh seems to have fixed my problem so far. |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
Guess my package list/database, whatever they call it, was out of sync. |
| 11:01 |
bshum |
dkyle: Curious about one detail, did you use the files from apache_24 for your 14.04 explorations? |
| 11:02 |
bshum |
I haven't gotten this far in the process yet, but I'll get there soon. :\ |
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| 11:04 |
dkyle |
bshum: I didn't even know they were there until just now... thanks |
| 11:05 |
dkyle |
I will try them out |
| 11:07 |
* dkyle |
needs to read instructions better |
| 11:10 |
* Dyrcona |
jokes: Where are the instructions for nginx? |
| 11:10 |
* Dyrcona |
ducks and runs. |
| 11:12 |
bshum |
dkyle: Well, there aren't any updated instructions for 14.04. I just remember seeing that the package number came up as 2.4 for apache, and that meant trying the files created for fedora which already uses apache 2.4 |
| 11:12 |
bshum |
dkyle++ # blazing trails (with fire!) |
| 11:15 |
dkyle |
bshum: or burning myself.. the instructions do mention the apache_24 files I just didn't read them... |
| 11:18 |
Dyrcona |
So, EDI appears to be running. Though, I haven't activated the pusher and puller scripts in cron, yet, 'cause nothing going on. |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose that I should install the new PO JEDI template since we've not used acquisitions yet. |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
Is that the consensus of those paying any attention to my ramblings? |
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jeff |
not using EDI yet here, sorry. |
| 11:24 |
dkyle |
bshum: so using apache_24 files give same result. apache segfault with error 4 in libc-2.19.so while loading OpenILS modules in eg_startup except Proxy and IDL2js |
| 11:25 |
* dkyle |
sees many posts regarding error 4 in libc-2.19.so and 14.04 |
| 11:25 |
berick |
Dyrcona: def. install the latest JEDI template |
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dbs |
Dyrcona: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=server_installation:nginx_proxy -- it's the wiki, so absolutely authoritative |
| 11:36 |
Dyrcona |
dbs++ |
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Dyrcona |
berick: Will do. |
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bshum |
Aww, Karmic Koala. Man that brings back memories. :) |
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dbwells |
I'm not sure what's happening to the Internet, but if anyone wants to be forever known as the "library ninja", here's your chance to get the domain: http://www.bulkregister.com/tld-queue/pages/search-results.aspx?sld=library&tld=ninja |
| 12:26 |
jeff |
unfortunately (according to that page) library.vodka is taken. |
| 12:26 |
dbwells |
tell me about it! |
| 12:27 |
bshum |
That is cool. |
| 12:28 |
dbwells |
For $29, I have to admit I was tempted :) |
| 12:28 |
dbwells |
Decided to let someone else take the bait instead. |
| 12:29 |
bshum |
Hehe |
| 12:30 |
csharp |
@who is a library ninja in real life? |
| 12:30 |
pinesol_green |
pmurray is a library ninja in real life. |
| 12:32 |
csharp |
so have there been complaints about being recorded/photographed at the conferences without permission? (just curious...) |
| 12:35 |
bshum |
Perhaps, wouldn't know all the details myself. |
| 12:35 |
bshum |
That said, I hated almost every picture of me from 2014's conference. So that! |
| 12:36 |
csharp |
ha! |
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bshum |
I never seemed to be smiling in any of the pictures. |
| 12:36 |
bshum |
Made me sad. |
| 12:37 |
csharp |
"I only give you permission to take *good* pictures of me" ;-) |
| 12:38 |
jeff |
csharp: that's the chartreuse lanyard. |
| 12:38 |
jeff |
csharp: it looks very similar to the yellow lanyard |
| 12:38 |
csharp |
heh |
| 12:42 |
jeff |
a bitmask of preferences encoded in the rgb hex representation of the color (how exactly would you error correct something like that?) is left as an exercise to the reader |
| 12:46 |
jeff |
i would be interested to hear from someone (who i guess might not feel comfortable speaking about the subject) with a strong preference to not have their photo taken, with regard to their thoughts on being required to wear a special-colored lanyard. |
| 12:47 |
bshum |
Fwiw, when I went to GSOC, we got to pick the green/yellow/red lanyards too. I picked yellow initially and then switched to green as I ultimately decided I wasn't anyone special :) |
| 12:48 |
csharp |
jeff: check out "The Scarlet Lanyard" by Hawthorne |
| 12:49 |
csharp |
@praise bshum |
| 12:49 |
* pinesol_green |
bshum is the very model of a modern major hacker |
| 12:50 |
jeff |
bshum: interesting. |
| 12:51 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: the comments thread at http://geekfeminism.org/2011/04/22/harassing-photography-and-recording-collecting-your-experiences/ has some examples |
| 12:52 |
csharp |
gmcharlt: thanks for that link - I guess I was not tuned in when the context for the lanyard discussion came up (at least regarding the EG conference) |
| 12:52 |
jeff |
csharp: see, for a half moment i thought you were saying that someone had already written about the subject from the "you must wear this" angle (and even the Hawthorne connection, which I had not mentioned yet), then i got to the name of the person you were referring me to and realized you were joking. :P |
| 12:52 |
csharp |
jeff: sorry :-/ |
| 12:53 |
csharp |
I'm feeling kind of snarky today - I should really stop it :-( |
| 12:53 |
* csharp |
is almost to the end of a super busy spring |
| 12:53 |
jeff |
csharp: but interestingly enough, searching on that shows that at least one conference used a distinct lanyard color to indicate first timers, and encouraged people to reach out to them, etc. i'd be interested in some more of that (though perhaps not using the lanyard) -- we may have had badges for that at one time. |
| 12:54 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: is the end marked by a decrease in busy-ness or just the upcoming change in season? |
| 12:54 |
csharp |
code4lib had "First Timer" and "Old Timer" ribbons for that kind of designation |
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rfrasur |
csharp: then on to a not so busy summer or a super busy summer? |
| 12:55 |
csharp |
gmcharlt: next week is the PINES annual meeting, and after that is a lull in which I actually have the time and space to get some the projects done that I was trying to cram into the spring |
| 12:55 |
csharp |
rfrasur: a less deadline-ridden summer ;-) |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
gmcharlt: thanks for the link. quick search doesn't find anything other than a "some cons do this and it seems to work" mention. was there anything else you had in mind there that i didn't find with my quick search? |
| 12:56 |
jeff |
csharp: i was going to mention the code4lib newcomer stuff, dinners, etc. |
| 12:56 |
frank_____ |
hi all, Could someone help me please, When I try to upload a file marc into the batch marc upload option, I am getting the HINT: You might need to increase max_locks_per_transaction, WARNING: out of shared memory error in my database log, I changed the max_locks_per_transaction=150 but it is still bnot working |
| 12:56 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ #glasses up for less deadlines |
| 12:56 |
* bshum |
goes on vacation after today, so is floating on clouds. |
| 12:56 |
jeff |
csharp: of course, i've still not made it to code4lib |
| 12:56 |
csharp |
bshum: jealous! - I go to the FL panhandle next month - I'm really ready for that |
| 12:57 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: the thread specifically relates incidents by a number of folks about harrassment via photography and other expressions of why some people prefer not be photographed |
| 12:57 |
csharp |
jeff: hope that works out for you next year - we had a nice EG contingency this year |
| 12:58 |
rfrasur |
bshum: you going anywhere exciting or get to chill at home? |
| 12:58 |
jeff |
I also don't have a sense of what kind of photography we're talking about (and don't remember without looking if the policy adopted from the Ada Initiative (iirc)) does. I've been involved with some cons where the photography policy was "no photos without permission, and not even group shots or panning of an audience in a talk". |
| 12:58 |
bshum |
rfrasur: London, England. My first trip to Europe. |
| 12:59 |
bshum |
And my first attempt at a real vacation since I started working. |
| 12:59 |
rfrasur |
Rock on! I hope you love it. I thought it was pretty awesome though didn't do much of the touristy stuff. And I got pushed out of the way by a Londoner. |
| 12:59 |
* rfrasur |
just pushed back after that. |
| 12:59 |
rfrasur |
OH...and there's a ton of porn in the airport. or was. Just saying. |
| 12:59 |
jeff |
gmcharlt: got that. i was specifically looking for thoughts on being required to wear a special-color lanyard to indicate photography preference. i still appreciate the link, and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something you thought directly related to that. :-) |
| 13:00 |
rfrasur |
o0(the things you notice when first leaving the airline gate) |
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| 13:03 |
rfrasur |
I have a friend coming in from London this weekend. He's driving from somewhere to somewhere and we're in the middle of the drive. |
| 13:08 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: That isn't porn. It's the newspaper. ;) |
| 13:09 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, it might have been. I was young and a little shellshocked. |
| 13:09 |
rfrasur |
And the lingerie stores...and everything labeled "Virgin" this and "Virgin" that... |
| 13:09 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: as opposed to some other way of signalling the preference (other than doing so by not showing up at all)? |
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| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: There's a reason Richard Branson is so rich.... |
| 13:11 |
rfrasur |
Too true. |
| 13:12 |
rfrasur |
It was an awesome place to visit though I stayed in the midlands. I'd go back in a heartbeat. Even got in a minor argument with a teenager over the policy of appeasement. Great trip. |
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| 13:16 |
rfrasur |
bshum, have a great vacation and safe travels. |
| 13:16 |
* rfrasur |
needs to go keep some books. |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Thanks :) |
| 13:17 |
jeff |
gmcharlt: i have no better solution, and i'm not claiming that the proposed lanyard solution is a Bad Thing, I was just wondering/curious. Probably not productive, sorry. |
| 13:20 |
RoganH |
I want a lanyard that says "I reserve the right to moon you when you photograph me." |
| 13:21 |
jeff |
Well, that's certainly not productive. :P |
| 13:21 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: no worries; while there is of course some evidence in the form that there's been no big backlash about it at AdaCamp and the like, ultimately we won't discover whether there are any local wrinkles until we try it ourselves |
| 13:22 |
* csharp |
sincerely hopes that nothing like what's described in these comments happens at EG conferences :-/ |
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| 13:22 |
Dyrcona |
RoganH++ |
| 13:24 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: likewise, but better to be prepared... |
| 13:24 |
jeff |
csharp: a good hope, but i would caution against "it probably wouldn't happen at THIS con!" thinking |
| 13:24 |
csharp |
yeah |
| 13:27 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: I read through the article and comments and it doesn't change my opinion. Most don't apply to the scenario being discussed in regards to presentations. There is certainly a lot of horrible stories in there but I think its dangerous to conflate them all together. |
| 13:27 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: I'm not saying there isn't a legitimate concern but in the end in balancing it my opinion doesn't change. |
| 13:28 |
gmcharlt |
we will have to agree to disagree then; given that there was a speaker at the last conference who did not want to be photographed, the issue is not theoretical |
| 13:29 |
RoganH |
Note that I never said it was theoretical. |
| 13:29 |
RoganH |
In fact I explicitly said I would be willing to accept the loss of some speakers. |
| 13:33 |
gmcharlt |
I'm not; not on that basis, anyway |
| 13:35 |
RoganH |
I understand and I can see your position even if I come to a different conclusion. |
| 13:36 |
RoganH |
I suspect my position will be in the distinct minority when it comes to voting anyway and I won't be heart broken to be out voted. |
| 14:06 |
jeffdavis |
So does 2.6 require Postgres 9.3, or is 9.1 fine? |
| 14:07 |
jeffdavis |
I'm running 2.6 on a test server with a 9.1 db now and haven't run into any issues, but haven't thoroughly tested so far. |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: 9.1 is fine |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
9.3 should work though |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
Or at least, that's what a bunch of bugs were directed at fixing |
| 14:09 |
jeffdavis |
thanks! |
| 14:17 |
dbs |
9.3 should work as of 2.6, right? |
| 14:18 |
dbs |
So upgrade from 2.5 to 2.6 on 9.1, then upgrade from 9.1 to 9.3 |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
dbs: That's the general idea. |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
I think |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
I didn't test it that way though, now that you mention it. |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
I just did 9.1 to 9.3 first, then upgraded the rest of the way from where I left off in my numbered scripts. |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
Ignoring any broken parts of the restore (since those were broken things fixed with the upgrade SQL) |
| 14:20 |
dbs |
Yeah. I wonder if there are clear pros to either approach for "normal" sites |
| 14:20 |
bshum |
Depends on how you do the PG upgrade I guess. |
| 14:20 |
bshum |
I think we'll also be moving to new hardware at the same time for us. So we have *lots* of moving parts in our equation. :\ |
| 14:20 |
dbs |
Just trying to figure out if there's some standard way we should suggest getting to 2.6/9.3 so we can narrow down the number of possible paths to go wrong |
| 14:20 |
* bshum |
isn't the best recommender |
| 14:21 |
dbs |
possibly a new ILS and a new job for bshum after too many parts move in the wrong direction :) |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
I'm like 90% sure this will be okay. |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
Besides, mceraso is doing our next upgrade ;) |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
I'm just "watching" |
| 14:23 |
dbs |
I'm sure it will be fine too :) |
| 14:23 |
dbs |
only because mceraso is doing the upgrade though, not old "twitchy-fingers bshum" |
| 14:23 |
* dbs |
is in a strange mood, clearly |
| 14:24 |
* bshum |
can't be hurt today |
| 14:24 |
* bshum |
is too happy about going on vacation shortly. |
| 14:26 |
gsams |
vacation++ #I get a short one in June |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
Speaking of new hardware |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
THE NEW DATABASE SERVER IS HERE! |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
Hopefully with our shiny SSDs |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
I'll get to touch it before I go. |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
:D |
| 14:27 |
mceraso |
For the next upgrade, all I hear bshum saying is, "With great power, comes great responsibilty." |
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| 14:31 |
gsams |
huzzah! |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
If you run the upgrade SQLs before doing the upgrade of the database to 9.3, then the database should restore just fine. |
| 14:38 |
* Dyrcona |
chimes in a little late. |
| 14:38 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: Are you doing your production upgrade or is this a test? |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: This is the hardware we're using for production upgrade. |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
Though I guess we're testing it the next couple weeks. |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: I misunderstood when you said "mceraso is doing our next upgrade." I think I get it now. |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
We're upgrading this Sunday, Mother's Day, and I'm doing this one. |
| 14:40 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Ah, cool. Our upgrade will be Memorial Day weekend. |
| 14:40 |
bshum |
Doing both the switch to new hardware and Evergreen upgrade |
| 14:40 |
Dyrcona |
We've had staff testing it on our training server for the past few weeks. |
| 14:40 |
dbs |
yous++ |
| 14:40 |
bshum |
Dyrcona++ # going first this time ;) |
| 14:41 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 14:57 |
jeffdavis |
I need to look into this "get someone else to do the upgrade" thing. |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: Ask me again afterwards :) |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
But I trust it'll go fine. |
| 14:59 |
bshum |
And it's good building experiences |
| 15:01 |
jl- |
virtualization++ |
| 15:01 |
jl- |
:) |
| 15:04 |
Dyrcona |
virtualization++ |
| 15:04 |
Dyrcona |
Yep, by the time we upgrade, we've usually done it several times before on development and training VMs. |
| 15:04 |
jl- |
nice |
| 15:04 |
jl- |
imo VM is really all you need for unix |
| 15:05 |
jl- |
I love my raspberry pi though |
| 15:06 |
Dyrcona |
jl-: I disagree. For some applications, I prefer to run them on a dedicated, real machine in production. |
| 15:08 |
Dyrcona |
VMs are awesome for testing and development, and for smaller things in production. |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
Heh, for want of a USB memory drive, Ubuntu could not be installed on this machine :) |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
(yet) |
| 15:08 |
Dyrcona |
Heh, funny you mention that..... |
| 15:09 |
Dyrcona |
I spent some of my "in-between" time today trying to figure out how to make a bootable USB stick more or less from scratch. |
| 15:11 |
bshum |
Yeah that's been a challenge from time to time. |
| 15:11 |
* bshum |
thinks back to his visit with gsams once upon an age |
| 15:11 |
Dyrcona |
Well, the easiest thing on Ubuntu is to use startup disk creator. |
| 15:12 |
gsams |
bshum: good times that was |
| 15:12 |
Dyrcona |
But that supposes you have a bootable ISO. |
| 15:13 |
jl- |
Dyrcona: I don't see any advantages on a real machine.. VSphere is so nice |
| 15:14 |
jl- |
I wonder if I could run EG on my pi |
| 15:14 |
jl- |
512 ram might be streching it ;) |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
jl-: Last time I tried, 2GB wasn't enough any more, unless you had next to 0 data, and limited things so it was not really usable. |
| 15:19 |
jl- |
that might call for clustering then |
| 15:20 |
bshum |
jl-: It wasn't too long ago that there was a joke around #code4lib about getting Evergreen working on a Raspberry Pi. |
| 15:20 |
bshum |
Would make a great presentation. |
| 15:20 |
jl- |
indeed |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
Good luck with that. :) |
| 15:20 |
jl- |
overclocking is also very easy |
| 15:22 |
* Dyrcona |
returns to figuring out how to make Firefox and Thunderbird use en-US instead of (apparently) en-GB for spell checking. |
| 15:22 |
jl- |
rubbish |
| 15:22 |
* Dyrcona |
blames it on the Ubuntu 14.04 upgrade. |
| 15:23 |
jl- |
I learned en-GB in school |
| 15:24 |
jl- |
had a few awkward situations for example when I asked for a rubber (eraser) |
| 15:25 |
Dyrcona |
Oh. I guess Thunderbird was anticipating me... It's language is set to en-AU. |
| 15:25 |
Dyrcona |
I learned en-US in school and en-GB from fantasy novels. :) |
| 15:26 |
jl- |
good stuff |
| 15:26 |
Dyrcona |
I still have a tendency to type grey instead of gray. :) |
| 15:26 |
jl- |
joe abercrombie? |
| 15:26 |
jl- |
or colour |
| 15:26 |
jl- |
that's also canadian |
| 15:26 |
Dyrcona |
I recall seeing this on the Internet: I prefer honour with the u in it, because it seems to be missing these days. |
| 15:26 |
jl- |
hehe |
| 15:27 |
Dyrcona |
Tolkien, Moorcock, others... |
| 15:27 |
jl- |
I like the new generation of GB scifi |
| 15:28 |
Dyrcona |
I haven't kept up with fiction much lately. |
| 15:28 |
* Dyrcona |
is ashamed. |
| 15:28 |
jl- |
I recommend abercrombie if you plan to catch up, pretty much sky-rocketed the last 3 years |
| 15:28 |
jl- |
there's a 5 book series |
| 15:29 |
jl- |
british humour is the best |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
jl-: Is there any other kind? ;) |
| 15:31 |
gmcharlt |
no; we're a deadly serious bunch on this side of the Pond ;) |
| 15:31 |
jl- |
hehe |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
;) |
| 15:49 |
bshum |
gmcharlt++ RoganH++ |
| 15:49 |
bshum |
For a lively discussion |
| 15:49 |
bshum |
That'll lead us places |
| 15:49 |
csharp |
@band add "Violent Agreement" |
| 15:49 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: You probably want hard-boiled eggs. |
| 15:51 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. Dylan never gets old. ;) |
| 15:56 |
gsams |
Is there any reason why I could have ADMIN_TRIGGER_EVENT_DEF and not be able to edit event definitions? |
| 15:58 |
csharp |
gsams: tail the logs as you try and see if there's another perm being checked |
| 15:58 |
csharp |
maybe an UPDATE_ perm |
| 15:59 |
gsams |
that's actually the wierd thing. All of the Trigger permissions are applied. |
| 15:59 |
gsams |
I should check the logs regardless though |
| 16:01 |
csharp |
gsams: you might also be hitting a DB-level constraint, so check the PG logs too |
| 16:01 |
* csharp |
wishes those errors were handled higher up and shown to the end user |
| 16:04 |
* jeff |
would support efforts toward that end |
| 16:05 |
csharp |
I need to start working small development projects into my day so I can affect the change I want to see ;-) |
| 16:05 |
* bshum |
wants more minions. |
| 16:10 |
jeff |
"johnny had some bibs to parse but johnny had no fun, for what he thought was MARC [dash] 8 was ISO Latin 1" |
| 16:10 |
jeff |
(when chemistry jokes and library jokes collide) |
| 16:10 |
jeff |
:P |
| 16:11 |
jeff |
@decide H2SO4 labeled "H2O" or ISO-8859-1 labeled "MARC8" |
| 16:11 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Try restarting apache. |
| 16:11 |
jeff |
zoia++ |
| 16:12 |
berick |
heh, zoia muscle memory |
| 16:15 |
gsams |
csharp: as far as I can see everything seems to be working. My current predicament tells me otherwise though. |
| 16:15 |
gsams |
postgres isn't throwing any issues related to the permissions, and as far as I can tell it is returning both ADMIN_TRIGGER and UPDATE_TRIGGER at the same time |
| 16:18 |
gsams |
maybe it's just the test server... |
| 16:18 |
jeff |
berick: i was intentionally incrementing zoia for having @decide, where pinesol_green does not. ;-) |
| 16:19 |
bshum |
It probably could. |
| 16:19 |
berick |
jeff: ohh, missed that |
| 16:21 |
bshum |
Yeah it's part of the original Assorted plugin, which we've only adapted bits and pieces of over time. |
| 16:21 |
gsams |
it is the test server |
| 16:22 |
gsams |
something isn't configured correctly I guess... |
| 16:47 |
bshum |
So has anyone ever seen this before, where Linux reads off the network device as "em1", "em2", etc. and not "eth0", "eth1" |
| 16:47 |
bshum |
It's kind of freaking me out, but nothing seems quite right with it other than the name. |
| 16:47 |
berick |
i've seen all manner of names |
| 16:47 |
jeff |
sure. |
| 16:48 |
csharp |
bshum: on fedora, yes, I've seen tha |
| 16:48 |
csharp |
t |
| 16:48 |
jeff |
bshum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_Network_Device_Naming |
| 16:48 |
bshum |
Yeah I wondered if this is maybe a quirk of how Ubuntu 14.04 is reading the devices vs. previous Ubuntu |
| 16:49 |
csharp |
probably |
| 16:49 |
bshum |
Aha |
| 16:49 |
bshum |
jeff++ |
| 16:49 |
csharp |
fedora is ahead of ubuntu most of the time |
| 16:49 |
bshum |
It is a Dell. |
| 16:49 |
csharp |
jeff++ |
| 16:49 |
bshum |
Thanks everyone, not going to freak out for now. |
| 16:55 |
jeff |
berick's "i've seen all manner of names" came across in a james earl jones voice. |
| 16:56 |
jeff |
"I'm interested in all kinds of astronomy." |
| 16:56 |
pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
| 17:00 |
berick |
heh, too bad instead of wise / world-weary, I was really going for, "it's all crazy talk to me" |
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bshum |
jeff: That's one of my favorite movies :) |
| 17:19 |
jeff |
as well it should be! |
| 17:25 |
bshum |
I remember as a kid I thought it had a ridiculous name. I mean who would watch a movie about shoes? |
| 17:25 |
bshum |
But I got it later on |
| 17:25 |
bshum |
:D |
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