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yawns |
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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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csharp |
dbs++ |
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jeff |
dbs++ |
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csharp |
we will reduce by two every year until there is a single supreme commander! |
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* kmlussier |
graciously accepts the title of benevolent dictator. |
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bradl |
is this Hunger Games? |
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mllewellyn |
Is there a ribbon for that? |
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csharp |
bradl: more like Survivor |
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hbrennan |
haha |
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kmlussier |
If there isn't a ribbon, I don't want it. |
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* jeff |
closes some more tabs and windows |
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bradl |
csharp: I like that better. After reading/watching Hunger Games, I can't even watch American Idol anymore ;) |
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jeff |
kmlussier++ ribbon leader |
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csharp |
haha |
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jeff |
(in several senses of the word) |
| 09:18 |
csharp |
I for one welcome our new bbqben overlord |
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kmlussier |
bbqben++ |
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hbrennan |
dbs: Ah, I've spotted you - welcome! |
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csharp |
let the hazing begin! |
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hbrennan |
bwiens: Ah! You're jl-! Haha. Awesome. |
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bwiens |
hbrennan: yes, hello :) |
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terranm |
Csharp is speaking, so this is the only time I can say I'm in IRC and he's not! |
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RoganH |
Does his bot count as him? |
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hbrennan |
He'll find a way |
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RoganH |
If so, he might be immortal, he'll pass the mortal coil and create a foundation to keep his bot alive. |
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dbs |
hbrennan: thanks! I have not yet spotted you :/ |
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terranm |
There might also be more than one of csharp. Csharpsquared. |
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hbrennan |
dbs: You missed my talk yesterday. I'll seek you out later |
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dbs |
hbrennan: yeah, I heard you rocked |
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hbrennan |
dbs: Ha. Apparently I tricked everyone into thinking I wasn't terrified |
| 09:52 |
* dbs |
felt bad about missing any part of an Evergreen conference, but so it goes |
| 09:52 |
hbrennan |
dbs: Yeah why did that happen? Your neck of CAN is so close! |
| 09:53 |
RoganH |
dbs: you can be redeemed by being flogged with a wet noodle later if you wish |
| 09:53 |
dbs |
hbrennan: i was already booked to speak at Library Techology Conference in MN; originally thought I wasn't going to be able to make it here at all |
| 09:54 |
hbrennan |
dbs: Ah, okay, forgiven. However, there is a lot of flogging talk the past 24 hours, so be careful |
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dbs |
#conf_future_thoughts: LTC encourages visits to sponsor tables by giving tickets to a draw for a tech gadget for each table you visit |
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RoganH |
hbrennan: "lots of flogging" I'm going to bite my tongue at this point so I don't violate the policy I wrote myself. |
| 09:55 |
dbs |
#conf_future_thoughts: OLA SuperConference assigns board members sections of the conference exhibit floor to go and thank each exhibitor personally for appearing at the conference |
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dbs |
policy++ |
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jeff |
dbs: a bit nicer than the old comdex "let each vendor scan your badge to enter you for prizes and spam!" |
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dbs |
jeff: much |
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hbrennan |
RoganH: Woops. Whisper it to yourself to get it out of your system |
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RoganH |
hbrennan: It's ok. I'm used to forcibly filtering myself. |
| 09:58 |
Bmagic |
These 2 queries result it stuff that I think should not result in anything |
| 10:00 |
* bottotr |
needs to learn this self filtering |
| 10:02 |
hbrennan |
bottotr: Your wit is appreciated by me! |
| 10:09 |
Dyrcona |
Can we ditch launchpad for the tools that Koha uses? |
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* jeff |
attempts to determine how pinesol_green starts |
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Bmagic |
If anyone has a minute, I would be interested to know if anyone else can produce rows from those 2 queries in their environment |
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bshum |
jeff: It's presently scripted. |
| 10:10 |
jeff |
bshum: run by hand or by cron or rc scripts or something else? |
| 10:10 |
bshum |
But basically you do supy config.file |
| 10:10 |
hbrennan |
There are other options besides LP??? I want. |
| 10:10 |
bshum |
Used to be I did it in nohup I guess |
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bshum |
*with |
| 10:11 |
bshum |
These days, I think csharp wrote a script that runs start/stop of the system |
| 10:11 |
bshum |
But I'm not sure all the details. |
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bshum |
Bmagic: I'm not seeing what two queries you mean, so maybe you're pasting them somewhere and they aren't showing up in the chat. |
| 10:12 |
bshum |
hbrennan: Koha uses bugzilla. Evergreen used to have bugzilla, or so I've been told. Pre-LP. |
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dbs |
Dyrcona: bugzilla + custom stuff |
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bwiens |
Bmagic: just call it a feature, not a bug |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Yeah, I know. I'm asking if there is support for moving to something like that. |
| 10:13 |
Bmagic |
bshum: Interesting I wonder if my client is sucking - it was 8:58:16 "These 2 queries result it stuff that I think should not result in anything |
| 10:13 |
dbs |
Bmagic: we saw that, never saw the queries though |
| 10:13 |
bshum |
Right, exactly. |
| 10:14 |
Bmagic |
One man's bug is another man's feature |
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dbs |
If the bugzilla interface could be slimmed down to being less freaking complex, then I would be okay with it. But that's a project in and of itself |
| 10:14 |
Bmagic |
did the queries come through this time? |
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dbs |
Bmagic: nope |
| 10:15 |
dbs |
Bmagic: paste them into paste.evergreen-ils.org or some other pastebin and link them here |
| 10:15 |
Bmagic |
omgeez - select * from money.payment where xact not in(select xact from money.billing) |
| 10:16 |
Bmagic |
select * from money.payment where xact not in(select id from money.billable_xact) |
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dbs |
hbrennan: I might flog wet noodles into my system tonight at the Veggie Galaxy dinearound, so there's that |
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Bmagic |
dbs: how about that time |
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Bmagic |
dbs: I retyped it into the irc client this time |
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hbrennan |
dbs: Vegan noodles probably aren't structurally sound enough for flogging |
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Dyrcona |
Bmagic: The first gives me 0 rows, the second gives me 524,143 rows. |
| 10:19 |
hbrennan |
dbs: Or maybe they are stronger since you can't put butter or cream on them? I dunno. I'm from AK. |
| 10:19 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: Do you think that it's a problem to have payments for something that doesnt have a row in billable_xact ? |
| 10:20 |
Dyrcona |
Soylent Green! |
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* jeff |
blinks |
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bottotr |
People! |
| 10:20 |
hbrennan |
dyrcona++ |
| 10:20 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Maybe. I'd have to dig deeper to see why it is happeneing. |
| 10:21 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: I would be interested to see what you find |
| 10:21 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: It is manifesting in reports as blank rows in some cases |
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terranm |
Hbrennan: In Georgia, mac&cheese is commonly listed in the vegetable section on menus - vegan noodles would generate nothing but blank stares. |
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dbs |
WHY CAN'T MY NOODLES BE MADE OF BEEF? |
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Dyrcona |
mac&cheese with kethcup... 3 servings of vegetables. :) |
| 10:22 |
dbs |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
db: Beef Udon? |
| 10:23 |
hbrennan |
terranm: I like how you think in the south |
| 10:23 |
dbs |
Wormicelli |
| 10:23 |
collum |
spamghetti |
| 10:23 |
hbrennan |
dbs: worms are people too! |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
dbs++ # for the lolz |
| 10:23 |
hbrennan |
collum: Haha. I think we all need a lesson on what vegan means. Spam - ha. |
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bwiens |
Dyrcona: sounds like a jail meal |
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* bottotr |
ponders creating his own eating trend. Only canned meats. |
| 10:25 |
hbrennan |
bottotr: All it needs is a catchy diet name and you'll have a following |
| 10:25 |
bottotr |
a canivore? |
| 10:26 |
terranm |
Bottotr +1 |
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dbs |
bottotr== |
| 10:26 |
hbrennan |
bottotr: Love it |
| 10:26 |
terranm |
Oops, ++ |
| 10:26 |
hbrennan |
The new paleo |
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dbs |
bottotr++ even |
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kayals |
yes |
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mllewellyn |
neo paleo |
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Dyrcona |
paleotinic? |
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jeff |
@who will be the second person to use @who? |
| 10:29 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:29 |
jeff |
alas. |
| 10:29 |
hbrennan |
mllewellyn++ Make it one word, NeoPaleo |
| 10:30 |
dbs |
@who needs to install the OWL plugin? |
| 10:30 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:30 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
NeoPalean ice cream? Spam, mashed potatoes, and gravy. |
| 10:31 |
hbrennan |
oh gross... or not |
| 10:31 |
jeff |
@who thinks @who will work now? |
| 10:31 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:31 |
jeff |
double drat. |
| 10:32 |
jeff |
@who thinks jeff should stop cluttering up the channel with his testing |
| 10:32 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:34 |
jeff |
@who thinks that it'll work now? |
| 10:34 |
pinesol_green |
phasefx thinks that it'll work now. |
| 10:34 |
jeff |
phasefx++ |
| 10:36 |
jeff |
so now we have @who |
| 10:36 |
jeff |
after all that noise. |
| 10:36 |
jeff |
not a very important addition, but a start of things to come. :-) |
| 10:37 |
hbrennan |
jeff: A very brief explanation of what "who" does? |
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ldwhalen |
Dyrcona: if you would like to work together on investigating Bmagic billing issue let me know |
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Dyrcona |
ldwhalen: I'm not that worried about it. |
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gmcharlt |
for the developer meeting today - we'll be picking up food from nearby places (Chipotle, the food trucks, etc.) and bringing it back to the Discovery Room at the third floor of the hotel at noon |
| 11:01 |
gmcharlt |
all are welcome, not just dev types |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ # wrangling |
| 11:01 |
gsams |
gmcharlt++ thanks for including that last bit |
| 11:01 |
gsams |
was about to ask |
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berick |
gmcharlt++ |
| 11:03 |
jeff |
hbrennan: @who is a purely whimsical command that picks a random nickname from the channel and answers the question asked. |
| 11:03 |
bshum |
@who is awesome! |
| 11:03 |
pinesol_green |
hbrennan is awesome. |
| 11:03 |
bshum |
Perfect. |
| 11:03 |
gmcharlt |
pinesol_green++ |
| 11:03 |
bshum |
:D |
| 11:03 |
jeff |
@who is competing with phasefx for the title of Hat Model? |
| 11:03 |
pinesol_green |
bradl is competing with phasefx for the title of Hat Model. |
| 11:03 |
gsams |
bonus points! |
| 11:03 |
gsams |
hbrennan++ |
| 11:04 |
jeff |
@who stole bradl's tux doll? |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_green |
eby stole bradl's tux doll. |
| 11:04 |
hbrennan |
jeff: Thanks! |
| 11:04 |
gsams |
bshum++ |
| 11:04 |
jeff |
etc. |
| 11:04 |
bottotr |
bshum: lottery time? |
| 11:04 |
jeff |
hbrennan: you're welcome! |
| 11:04 |
hbrennan |
jeff++ |
| 11:04 |
berick |
for whimsical, we also need @ana |
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hbrennan |
berick: What does that one do? I'm fascinated by IRC "widgets" |
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berick |
hbrennan: generates anagrams |
| 11:08 |
berick |
with surprisingly relevant results on occaison |
| 11:08 |
gsams |
@ana Dont Do what Dan Did? |
| 11:08 |
pinesol_green |
gsams: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
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hbrennan |
berick: Ha. Love that. |
| 11:10 |
jeff |
@ana This is a test |
| 11:10 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Its hastiest |
| 11:10 |
jeff |
@who [ana stole the cookie from the cookie jar]? |
| 11:10 |
pinesol_green |
egbuilder Cheekier of to toothsome lock. |
| 11:10 |
berick |
@ana jeff is faster than lightning |
| 11:10 |
pinesol_green |
berick: Frighten jesting flash in fat |
| 11:11 |
berick |
not always relevant ;) |
| 11:11 |
jeff |
some whimsy is good or fun, but hopefully i won't be blamed for adding too much noise to the channel. |
| 11:11 |
gsams |
I'll keep my whimsy to a minimum, promise |
| 11:12 |
gsams |
just had to try, haha |
| 11:12 |
jeff |
i'm happy to see so many new faces here and to hear people talking about how they think paying some future attention to irc will be beneficial to them |
| 11:12 |
* bshum |
stopped using @roulette every morning at least ;) |
| 11:14 |
bshum |
ssds++ :) |
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| 11:14 |
jeff |
"In the words of Ernest Hemingway, 'Buy a lot of RAM'." |
| 11:16 |
eeevil |
also, DIE NUMA DIE |
| 11:16 |
kmlussier |
I'm curious. How many people are using SSDs? |
| 11:16 |
kmlussier |
I know RoganH is. |
| 11:16 |
Dyrcona |
Everyone but us. :) |
| 11:16 |
* eeevil |
raises hand |
| 11:16 |
gsams |
I wish that NTLC was. Probably will in the next hardware upgrade |
| 11:17 |
* bshum |
will soon use SSDs. Probably. Maybe. |
| 11:17 |
bshum |
:) |
| 11:17 |
bottotr |
kmlussier: using, where? I'm a yes, but nowhere real important |
| 11:18 |
Dyrcona |
bottotr: My laptop! :) |
| 11:18 |
jeff |
@who has been using SSDs since before they were cool |
| 11:18 |
pinesol_green |
remingtron has been using SSDs since before they were cool. |
| 11:18 |
bwiens |
we have evertyhing virtualized |
| 11:18 |
gsams |
I do have a SSD in my gaming rig |
| 11:18 |
gsams |
but not in a production server |
| 11:18 |
bottotr |
exactly Dyrcona: is that "real important" ? |
| 11:18 |
bwiens |
but it runs on ssd |
| 11:18 |
kmlussier |
I was curious about production servers. |
| 11:18 |
Dyrcona |
bottotr: To me, it is. :) |
| 11:19 |
kmlussier |
Not that I'm saying Dyrcona's laptop is unimportant. :) |
| 11:19 |
berick |
gmcharlt: aware of any changes to git.evergreen-ils.org? getting publickey / permission denied errors today |
| 11:19 |
eeevil |
kmlussier: everyone hosted by ESI (to be clear) ... we heartily recommend SSD |
| 11:20 |
jeff |
berick: i was just able to fetch security without issue. sure you have the right key loaded? |
| 11:20 |
berick |
jeff: hm, yeah, it must be me. just tested another server. |
| 11:21 |
berick |
@who logged onto my dev server and broke things |
| 11:21 |
pinesol_green |
Bmagic logged onto your dev server and broke things. |
| 11:21 |
bwiens |
lol |
| 11:22 |
jeff |
sitting in the Mutually Assured QA talk and looking at http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/runtime-config-logging.html |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
logging_collector seems nice, but apparently can't be mixed with syslog. |
| 11:23 |
gmcharlt |
berick: glad it's resolved, but feel free to toss over more keys if you need 'em recognized |
| 11:24 |
hbrennan |
bshum: roulette talk in Batches, Buckets, Bookbags |
| 11:24 |
jcamins |
jeff: I'm sure "Mutually Assured QA" is a commonly accepted term and not nearly as sinister as it sounds, but all I can think of when I read that is a QA team equipped with missiles. |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
I deal with batches and containers by writing my own code. |
| 11:25 |
jeff |
jcamins: exactly my thought as I walked in the room. :-) |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
Doing batch calls over OpenSRF from the staff client is a recipe for failure. |
| 11:25 |
berick |
thanks, gmcharlt. i must have been sleepcoding |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
QA appears to have to do with cataloging. |
| 11:26 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: you've never seen the "launch" button in BZ? |
| 11:26 |
gmcharlt |
must not have turned on that feature for you while you were RM ;) |
| 11:26 |
jcamins |
gmcharlt: hehe. |
| 11:26 |
jeff |
jcamins++ gmcharlt++ |
| 11:27 |
* eeevil |
logs into kinetic weapon satalite control panel |
| 11:28 |
jcamins |
"If you do not remove your use of given/when, this patch *will* be obliterated." |
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Dyrcona |
Ah, given when is nice! Perl 5 finally growed up. |
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gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: alas, you shouldn't use them |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: and then it regressed. |
| 11:32 |
gmcharlt |
smartmatch got deprecated, and the current given/when falls under that banner |
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* eeevil |
never liked the look of (too)smart(by half)match |
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* eeevil |
is also old and crochety WRT perl |
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gmcharlt |
eeevil: and the fact that given/when was tied to smartmatch when it should have been orthogonal... |
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* gmcharlt |
shakes head |
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* gmcharlt |
also observes more grey hairs in his beard |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: not enough people use the word "orthogonal." |
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jcamins |
We should bring it into common usage again. |
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jeff |
octothorpogonal |
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gmcharlt |
# |
| 11:35 |
gmcharlt |
... |
| 11:35 |
gmcharlt |
too italic |
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gmcharlt |
no right angles (for me) |
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Dyrcona |
=//= ? |
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StephenGWills |
hanging in 'Discovery' Room at Marriot with Dev while Galen asks for a new release mgr. And….. Ben Shum steps up! |
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kayals |
Hi. Could anyone help why my search in OPAC gives zero result found but I can get results from staff-client |
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StephenGWills |
version? |
| 12:09 |
kayals |
2.4.6 |
| 12:09 |
kayals |
its a standalone testing server |
| 12:10 |
StephenGWills |
I ran into the recently and found that I had to reinvest my records to get my 901c field updated |
| 12:10 |
StephenGWills |
and then it showed up in both the opac and the staff client. maybe that would help you? |
| 12:11 |
kayals |
thanks |
| 12:11 |
kayals |
i will check on it |
| 12:11 |
kayals |
it is strange that rsult does show up on staff-client |
| 12:12 |
kayals |
results* |
| 12:12 |
tsbere |
kayals: If there are no opac visible copies (or copies in general) it will show up in the staff client only as well |
| 12:14 |
kayals |
make sense |
| 12:16 |
RoganH |
I think while ben is talking we should volunteer him for more tasks, like writing all 2.7 documentation. |
| 12:17 |
tsbere |
irc side-votes? ;) |
| 12:18 |
StephenGWills |
and build the test platform? and QA test scripts? |
| 12:23 |
mrpeters |
tsbere is most likely correct. staff sees all undeleted bibs in search results, patrons only see bibs with items, or e-resource type bibs with proper holdings info in them |
| 12:23 |
tsbere |
mrpeters: Or "trancendant" bibs regardless of all of the rest |
| 12:24 |
mrpeters |
^^ forgot about those suckers |
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jcamins |
tsbere: is that like what happens when a Go'auld ascends? |
| 12:26 |
jeff |
dashboards++ |
| 12:26 |
tsbere |
jcamins: From the Go'auld's POV probably. From everyone else's not as much, I think ;) |
| 12:26 |
jeff |
summarization and visualization of data++ |
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jeff |
(intentional bare data++ there too) |
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jcamins |
tsbere: oh, so no raining fire and destruction? Thank goodness. |
| 12:35 |
StephenGWills |
consensus from the Dev room voting Ben Shum as 27 release mgr!!!! |
| 12:35 |
StephenGWills |
woo hoo! |
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remingtron |
bshum++ |
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gsams |
Bshum++ |
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RoganH |
bshum++ |
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Bmagic |
bshum++ |
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StephenGWills |
more details to follow, feedback encouraged. |
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remingtron |
StephenGWills++ #for keeping us posted |
| 12:54 |
StephenGWills |
Ben S. "I strive for a stable master, Always" |
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StephenGWills |
+1 |
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remingtron |
@karma Bshum |
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pinesol_green |
remingtron: Karma for "Bshum" has been increased 694 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 692. |
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remingtron |
@karma bSHUM |
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pinesol_green |
remingtron: Karma for "bSHUM" has been increased 694 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 692. |
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remingtron |
right, just checking |
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gsams |
@karma gsams |
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pinesol_green |
gsams: Karma for "gsams" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10. |
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gsams |
Woo! |
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jeff |
@who will punch me in the arm if I say the words "Jasper Reports" in this talk? |
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pinesol_green |
phasefx2_ will punch you in the arm if I say the words Jasper Reports in this talk. |
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csharp |
@who implemented the @who command? |
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pinesol_green |
csharp implemented the @who command. |
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csharp |
bshum++ |
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csharp |
@who loves reports? |
| 13:37 |
pinesol_green |
bwiens loves reports. |
| 13:37 |
csharp |
@who said [quote random]? |
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pinesol_green |
RoganH said Quote #63: "< rfrasur> some people have talent. some...personality flaws. :D" (added by csharp at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2013. |
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bottotr |
Mmm reports. …as long as I don't have to use reporter |
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RoganH |
I said that? It sounds so unlike me. |
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bottotr |
tangent. Is anyone else using R for graphing straight from psql? dkyle: recently started, and it's pretty slick |
| 13:39 |
csharp |
RoganH++ |
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* RoganH |
is a cheerleader for life. |
| 13:39 |
csharp |
bottotr: sounds interesting |
| 13:40 |
bottotr |
"R is the fast food of graphical development packages." -http://www.varlena.com/GeneralBits/Tidbits/bernier/art_66/graphingWithR.html |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
There is a sadistic part of me that wants to run IRC on a giant screen behind the audiences and see if we can make the presenters crack up while the audience has no idea what is going on. |
| 13:41 |
gsams |
RoganH: that sounds fantastic |
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hbrennan |
RoganH++ Then we'll ALL be distracted |
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bottotr |
OSCON, years ago. They used to run the twitter feed behind presenters |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
note: I am enjoying the presentation I'm in and have already learned several things. :) |
| 13:42 |
bradl |
RoganH: sounds like a job for ASCII art... hmm... |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
bradl++ |
| 13:42 |
mllewellyn |
RoganH: me, too |
| 13:42 |
gmcharlt |
live twitter/IRC behind the presenter have been known to backfire horribly, however |
| 13:42 |
* gmcharlt |
injects a note of caution |
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gmcharlt |
*feeds |
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* jeff |
nods |
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csharp |
@who will ruin the presentation with their snark? |
| 13:43 |
pinesol_green |
mtj_ will ruin the presentation with their snark. |
| 13:43 |
jeff |
the backchannel is already a bit of a distraction and should be tempered lest it become rude or detract from the value of the sessions themselves -- having it on the stage sharing space with the speakers has the potential to push things over the edge. |
| 13:44 |
jeff |
csharp: I thought you might enjoy @who :-) |
| 13:44 |
csharp |
jeff++ |
| 13:44 |
csharp |
jeff: oh yes ;-) |
| 13:44 |
jeff |
along with @who, I also loaded Anagram to give us @who |
| 13:44 |
jeff |
er, |
| 13:44 |
gsams |
jeff++ |
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jeff |
"to give us @ana" |
| 13:44 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: what's the note? |
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csharp |
@ana evergreen-ils is cool |
| 13:44 |
jeff |
@ana Mutually Assured QA |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: So grovel resilience |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: Mud salutary squeal |
| 13:45 |
jeff |
pretty hit or miss, still. |
| 13:45 |
csharp |
jeff++ |
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gmcharlt |
RoganH: C-sharp |
| 13:45 |
gmcharlt |
@ana Evergreen Is Not an Island |
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pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: Dear! Revolting inaneness |
| 13:45 |
csharp |
hey - that's *my* note |
| 13:45 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: I'm imagining digitizing chris now |
| 13:45 |
csharp |
@csharp |
| 13:45 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://cat.evergreen-ils.org.meowbify.com/ |
| 13:45 |
gmcharlt |
does that me we can have more of him? |
| 13:45 |
RoganH |
chsarp: you're going to have to stand very still for this ... |
| 13:45 |
gmcharlt |
in that case.. |
| 13:45 |
gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 13:46 |
jeff |
RoganH just caused me to make a distracting noise in the audience of the authorities session. :P |
| 13:46 |
* csharp |
prepares for the singluarity |
| 13:47 |
gsams |
csharp: I'm not sure if I'm terrified or amazed... |
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RoganH |
jeff: Can I give myself karma for that? |
| 13:47 |
* Dyrcona |
prepares for the opposite of the singularity. |
| 13:48 |
csharp |
gsams: YOU WILL BE UPGRADED |
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dbs |
Dyrcona: so we're going to become as stupid as machines? |
| 13:48 |
dbs |
Finally MARC will make sense. |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
I don't think MARC will make sense even then. |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
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bottotr |
/me chuckles at MARC making sense |
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* jeff |
was waiting for someone to make a MARC and singularity combined reference |
| 13:48 |
dbs |
Inter-authority linking: I think there's a movie called "inception" about that |
| 13:49 |
csharp |
jeff: Jasper Reports was just mentioned - it's safe to come back in now ;-) |
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jeff |
csharp: hah! |
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dbs |
singularity valued fields, you mean |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
the multiplicity? Is that a thing? |
| 13:50 |
dbs |
git clone singularity.git |
| 13:50 |
jeffdavis |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_%28philosophy%29 |
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jeffdavis |
(I like the "confusing or unclear" tag on that article. "If you think this article is bad, try reading the source texts!") |
| 13:51 |
gsams |
hah |
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Dyrcona |
Oh, that figures: Bergson, Riemann, and Deleuze. |
| 13:52 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: I don't see how it could be any more clear. :) |
| 13:53 |
jeffdavis |
heh |
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gsams |
csharp++ |
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jeff |
I can't tell if I just broke my charger or if this powerstrip lacks power. |
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* jeff |
grabs a paperclip and tests |
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* berick |
plays taps |
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* bottotr |
doesn't smell smoke |
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jboyer-laptaupe |
Is someone making bacon in the next room? |
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jeffdavis |
lost power over here too |
| 14:00 |
gsams |
You have not enough energy. |
| 14:01 |
csharp |
uhoh |
| 14:01 |
csharp |
DIGITAL CSHARP NEEDS MORE POWER! |
| 14:02 |
RoganH |
I think someone needs to get eeevil a beer after this. |
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hbrennan |
RoganH++ Yep! |
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hbrennan |
eeevil++ |
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dbs |
eeevil++ |
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dbs |
akilsdonk++ |
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hbrennan |
akilsdonk++ |
| 14:02 |
hbrennan |
Yikes |
| 14:02 |
RoganH |
eeevil++ |
| 14:02 |
RoganH |
akilsdonk++ |
| 14:08 |
alynn26 |
Just finished the rough draft of the Library Settings Editor Documentation. |
| 14:08 |
jeff |
power died here again. alas. |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
and back! |
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* jeff |
chuckles |
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hbrennan |
jeff: Heard it's the back row. Was fine in exact center of room |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
now someone's just messing with me. :-) |
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bottotr |
jeff: did digital csharp: leave the room? |
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alynn26 |
who flipped the power strip off |
| 14:10 |
jeff |
csharp is in the big room near the back, under a table. |
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jeff |
the power from the outlet is going on and off pretty regularly. |
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* jeff |
tries to decide between serials and dedupe |
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jcamins |
jeff: it's morse code. What is the power company saying? |
| 14:11 |
hbrennan |
serials +1 |
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gsams |
Looking forward to serials |
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hbrennan |
Serials is the only part of EG I feel confident with. I'm sitting in for a moral boost, and I'm sure I'll still learn something new |
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gsams |
It's really the only part of the system I'm entirely unfamiliar with. I've only glanced at it so this will be really good for me |
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csharp |
is power still an issue? |
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jeffdavis |
no, it's been resolved (for now at least) |
| 14:19 |
csharp |
excellent |
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bshum |
dbwells: For fun, Time: 50795354.749 ms for the non specific attribute reingest. |
| 14:24 |
bshum |
So 14ish hours. |
| 14:25 |
dbs |
The Hold Aging field must be ID thing in the New Copy Template editor, that sounds like we just need to flesh the field in the Dojo widget so people can see "3 months" |
| 14:25 |
dbs |
bshum: 14 hours, eh? how many bibs? |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
dbs: Around 1.1 mill |
| 14:26 |
dbs |
spinning rust or ssd? |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
The rust |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: You only did your deleted = 'f' bibs, right? |
| 14:30 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Yes. |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
We have about 1.1 million including deleted bibs. |
| 14:31 |
dbs |
Why did nobody else laugh at the thought of the drop-down for "legacy record entry" loading and displaying _all_ of the possible bib ids in your database? Isn't that funny? |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
I can just see that code going up on tdwtf. |
| 14:36 |
hbrennan |
Serials Captions and Pattons - I'd be happy to help anyone figure out troublesome/crazy patterns! I can't guarantee I can do it, but I'm pretty good at tricking it into working |
| 14:36 |
eeevil |
dbs: I'd laugh if I weren't crying. (BTW, the fix is available, if not in master yet ... IIRC) |
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jeffdavis |
That bug sounds familiar... |
| 14:38 |
gsams |
I feel like learning this interface well enough to teach it in May seems a bit... out of reach for me... |
| 14:39 |
hbrennan |
gsams: Serials? |
| 14:39 |
kbutler |
hbrennan: have you had any luck with something that comes out every 3 weeks? |
| 14:39 |
gsams |
hbrennan: yes. I'm very much unfamiliar with serials in general, though my library will probably be wanting to implement it eventually. |
| 14:39 |
dbs |
hbrenna++ |
| 14:39 |
dbs |
hbrennan++ |
| 14:40 |
hbrennan |
kbutler: Ah, that makes me want to cry. Actually, twice a month is pretty scary two, if they pick random dates |
| 14:40 |
hbrennan |
kbutler: There are a few tri- options under frequency |
| 14:40 |
hbrennan |
but I can never remember which is which |
| 14:40 |
dbs |
Our library is still trucking along with good old MFHD, as we have since the first EG Conference hackfest |
| 14:41 |
jeffdavis |
wait a minute, isn't prisoner of azkaban the *third* book? |
| 14:41 |
hbrennan |
gsams: Practice works wonders. About 95% of our predictions migrated over wrong, so I had to learn by redoing them |
| 14:41 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: the slide was titled "the worst" |
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jeff |
(iirc) |
| 14:41 |
gsams |
hbrennan: yeah that was step 2 in my plans. I needed some guidance to get started. I'm thankful for this walkthrough |
| 14:42 |
kbutler |
hbrennan: Yeah, twice a month, meh. I'll see if I can figure out the frequencies. Doing it by hand is not cutting it. |
| 14:42 |
bottotr |
serials seem to come up every few months. I answer some questions, but yet the data never sees the light of day. …I should really ask, but I'm afraid. |
| 14:42 |
hbrennan |
kbutler: crazy bi- tri- ones.. try try again |
| 14:42 |
hbrennan |
kbutler: I like to write to publishers and get the list of pub dates for the year, which can really help to see if your pattern is right |
| 14:42 |
* csharp |
signs up for the Library Police |
| 14:43 |
gsams |
hbrennan++ that's a great idea |
| 14:43 |
bottotr |
csharp: fine collector? |
| 14:43 |
dbs |
Erica Rohlfs is doing a great job of working with what we devs have given her for serials! |
| 14:43 |
csharp |
bottotr: only if I get a cut |
| 14:43 |
hbrennan |
New York Review of Books is something like 22 issues a year, but they are lovely and include a pub date list with renewals! |
| 14:44 |
gsams |
very nice |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
@who will stand up to the corrupt Library Police? |
| 14:44 |
pinesol_green |
eby will stand up to the corrupt Library Police. |
| 14:44 |
hbrennan |
People and Sports Ills. have those stupid "double" and "extra" issues but I finally tracked them down |
| 14:44 |
bottotr |
csharp: just signed up and he's already corrupt? That didn't take long. |
| 14:45 |
kbutler |
hbrennan++ that is a good idea. Never occurred to me. |
| 14:45 |
hbrennan |
The most challenging part of serials is that they are always changing, so you shouldn't feel bad when suddenly the predictions aren't matching |
| 14:45 |
hbrennan |
The good old days of 12/yr are pretty much gone |
| 14:46 |
* Dyrcona |
measures in oh-no-seconds. |
| 14:47 |
bottotr |
downtime in oh $%^& seconds? |
| 14:48 |
Dyrcona |
Cataloging at the circ. desk.... |
| 14:48 |
csharp |
"Cataloging" |
| 14:48 |
RoganH |
in relation to gmcharlt's question: not only were they saturday morning volunteers but they had forgotten their anti psychotic medication |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: Caterwauling? |
| 14:49 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: more like it |
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* kmlussier |
waves to denishpatel |
| 14:49 |
denishpatel |
hello everyone |
| 14:49 |
dbs |
denishpatel! |
| 14:49 |
RoganH |
hello denishpatel |
| 14:49 |
csharp |
denishpatel: greetings |
| 14:50 |
denishpatel |
thanks for warm welcome |
| 14:50 |
bshum |
denishpatel: howdy! |
| 14:50 |
* dbs |
suspects that placing checkboxes in the extreme bottom right for workflow things might not be the best usability |
| 14:50 |
denishpatel |
going well. it's been great conference so far. |
| 14:50 |
gsams |
denishpatel: hello! |
| 14:50 |
dbs |
Might make more sense being in front of the "Receive" / "Submit" etc button so people consciously choose to check the box or not in order. |
| 14:51 |
dbs |
Not that I'm a usability guru by any means. |
| 14:51 |
hbrennan |
dbs: during last upgrade, that little checkbox suddenly wasn't sticky.. and it was driving me nuts because I never noticed that it was unchecking.... |
| 14:51 |
* dbs |
points at pretty much anything he's designed as evidence of not-being-usability-guru |
| 14:51 |
bshum |
dbs: Remember the neon green and gray TPAC css? :P |
| 14:51 |
dbs |
hbrennan: huh. sounds like a bug |
| 14:52 |
kbutler |
we have the same problem re: non-sticky unit checkbox |
| 14:52 |
hbrennan |
dbs: Yep. phasefx wrote the patch for it and applied to our system same day! |
| 14:52 |
dbs |
bshum: /me refuses to ack neon green anything |
| 14:52 |
hbrennan |
kbutler: https://mail.ci.homer.ak.us/owa/redir.aspx?C=AOrjlufgEU-yJct5JeDnP69fv3zAGNEI-UBHHQrHAOlOq1q_8SLwB3dQbFCQtuLWNAZpVlo2f8w.&URL=https%3a%2f%2fbugs.launchpad.net%2fevergreen%2f%2bbug%2f1275074 |
| 14:53 |
phasefx2_ |
didnt actually write the patch, but i did help in some way :) |
| 14:53 |
* Dyrcona |
wrote the bug, IIRC. |
| 14:53 |
hbrennan |
The patch is there |
| 14:53 |
dbs |
hbrennan: ahhh... sounds like a reason for a new point release so kbutler et al can benefit too :) |
| 14:53 |
dbs |
bug 1275074 |
| 14:53 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1275074 in Evergreen ""Auto-Print" checkbox next to "Done" on the "Checkout" tab does not remember checked state between patron retrieval" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1275074 |
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| 14:53 |
hbrennan |
Ah, I think I made this mistake before,. but phasefx was the one who applied |
| 14:54 |
kbutler |
Thanks! |
| 14:54 |
hbrennan |
It's in 2.5.3 and 2.6 now |
| 14:54 |
kbutler |
dyrcona++ |
| 14:54 |
Dyrcona |
If bugs lead to more karma, I'll write more bugs. :) |
| 14:55 |
hbrennan |
dyrcona: Just leave my stick checkboxes alone |
| 14:55 |
hbrennan |
*sticky |
| 14:55 |
bottotr |
job security |
| 14:55 |
Dyrcona |
hbrennan: It was accidental. The fix for a z39.50 error went too far. |
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* bshum |
whistles not so innocently :) |
| 14:56 |
bottotr |
one man's bug is another man's feature |
| 14:56 |
Dyrcona |
Lots of intertwined interfaces... |
| 14:57 |
dbs |
hbrennan: huh, it's in 2.5.3? Bug should say "Fix released" then. Hrm. |
| 14:57 |
hbrennan |
No blame here.. by the time I sent an email to staff about the problem, it was fixed |
| 14:57 |
csharp |
@blame add $who 's bugfix broke my feature! |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 14:57 |
bshum |
dbs: Probably waiting for someone with the new LP account to alter statuses :) |
| 14:57 |
hbrennan |
dbs: it does |
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* bshum |
will get around to it eventually. |
| 14:58 |
hbrennan |
dbs: and committed, for 2.6 |
| 14:58 |
dbs |
bshum++ |
| 14:58 |
csharp |
@blame add $who 's bugfix broke my feature! |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Blame #15 added. |
| 15:00 |
* csharp |
liked "Marque.pm" |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
I miss Marque too. |
| 15:00 |
dbs |
ah bug fd3703ad |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Ben Shum] Revert "Eliminate an annoying and useless warning in the JavaScript Console." - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fd3703a> |
| 15:00 |
jeff |
it was a bit too RFC 1178 for my tastes |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
But it is just the usual "marc_export" just substantially faster. At least in my testing. |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
we could rename pinesol_green "marque" |
| 15:01 |
bshum |
I keep meaning to think about dropping the _green part |
| 15:01 |
jeff |
csharp: alas, someone already has that nick registered |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
jeff: argh! |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
marque_21? |
| 15:02 |
hbrennan |
what about just Marq |
| 15:03 |
jeff |
marq is available. :-) |
| 15:03 |
jeff |
but not knowing the exact history of the name pinesol, i wouldn't want to rename it myself. :-) |
| 15:04 |
csharp |
jeff: I believe phasefx2_ or bradl could assist |
| 15:04 |
hbrennan |
Nor I, but Marq sounds nice and pinesol is snarky |
| 15:04 |
hbrennan |
Though I guess the personality goes with it |
| 15:04 |
csharp |
obviously a pun on PINES |
| 15:04 |
bradl |
it was just a play on Evergreen/PINES, that's all |
| 15:04 |
bradl |
I mean, phasefx may have had some diabolical meaning/whatever... :) |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
@ana pinesol |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: On spiel |
| 15:05 |
hbrennan |
I always think of Futurama |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
@ana pinesol_green |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Pole sneering |
| 15:06 |
* phasefx2_ |
keeps his backronym secret |
| 15:07 |
bradl |
gosh, I have record of pinesol back to... 2006 |
| 15:08 |
hbrennan |
ice cream time |
| 15:12 |
bradl |
jeff: were you saying 'pinesol' is already a registered nick? NickServ says it's not. |
| 15:13 |
bradl |
no, you weren't. nevermind. ;) |
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| 15:17 |
gsams |
@ana I'm really enjoying the Evergreen Conference. |
| 15:17 |
pinesol_green |
gsams: Jeeringly thrive on meagerly |
| 15:17 |
gsams |
interesting |
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| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
Anyone know how to ask to join a github organization? I thought I knew how to, but I don't see it right now. |
| 15:31 |
* Dyrcona |
wanna join marc4j. |
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| 15:32 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: you need to be added by someone with access who is already in the organization. |
| 15:32 |
gsams |
I'm glad this is a lightning talk |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Ok. So I should email one of the members? |
| 15:32 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: once you are a member, then your only option is to make your membership public or private, or I think to leave the org. |
| 15:33 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: yes, I believe that is best. I don't think there is a way to message the org or org owners on github, so you need to do some initial research. :-) |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: I recently added you to an org, if you care to make that public/private (iirc, private by default) |
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| 15:33 |
berick |
hello! |
| 15:33 |
gsams |
yboston++ |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
yamil: hi! |
| 15:33 |
jeff |
yamil: greetings! |
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Sato`kun |
howdy! |
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| 15:34 |
terranmc |
Hi Yamil! |
| 15:34 |
bshum |
Hello world! |
| 15:34 |
collum |
yamil++ |
| 15:34 |
mllewellyn |
hello |
| 15:34 |
hbrennan |
Hi yamil! |
| 15:34 |
alynn26 |
Hi Yamil |
| 15:34 |
jeff |
yamil: welcome to #evergreen. :-) |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Thanks. I see that one. I was just trying to figure out how to get into a new one. |
| 15:34 |
csharp |
@who is friendly? |
| 15:34 |
pinesol_green |
timhome is friendly. |
| 15:34 |
gsams |
yamil++ |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
Hi Yamil :) |
| 15:34 |
yamil |
hola |
| 15:34 |
tsbere |
Hello lightning talk audience |
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mceraso |
yamil++ |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
@blame Dyrcona |
| 15:34 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Dyrcona stole Dyrcona's ice cream! |
| 15:34 |
rfrasur |
woohoo! |
| 15:34 |
gsams |
This conference is the best |
| 15:34 |
* bottotr |
watches introverts on the big screen |
| 15:34 |
csharp |
@quote random |
| 15:34 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Quote #58: "<groucho> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." (added by Dyrcona at 11:31 AM, June 15, 2013) |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
Hello, everybody! |
| 15:34 |
csharp |
@praise bshum |
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* pinesol_green |
the upgrade came off brilliantly, and it's all because of bshum |
| 15:34 |
gsams |
csharp++ |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
Are we adding people to the Evergreen project on github, yet? |
| 15:35 |
csharp |
@karma csharp |
| 15:35 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Karma for "csharp" has been increased 315 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 311. |
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rfrasur |
csharp++ |
| 15:35 |
rfrasur |
How do you have decreases? There should only be net gains/losses |
| 15:36 |
csharp |
@who will train the new people on irssi + screen? |
| 15:36 |
pinesol_green |
eby will train the new people on irssi + screen. |
| 15:36 |
bshum |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
hbrennan |
csharp decreases himself |
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hbrennan |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
jeff |
DeniseQCC: greetings! |
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mllewellyn |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
csharp |
rfrasur: right - it was when I did something silly |
| 15:36 |
dbs |
Reset karma after the conference? |
| 15:36 |
mceraso |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
jeff |
yboston++ |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
Now, I need to figure out how to manage my github memberships. |
| 15:37 |
gsams |
yboston++ for sure |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
dbs: that was discussed (compared to #code4lib and #koha) :-) |
| 15:37 |
bottotr |
dbs: should reset before to gauge effectiveness |
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| 15:37 |
csharp |
ddale: welcome! |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: https://github.com/settings/organizations |
| 15:37 |
DeniseQCC |
Thanks Yamil! |
| 15:37 |
dbs |
btw, what are we doing with github? |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 15:37 |
* tsbere |
wonders why the SIPServer team in the evergreen-library-system organization has the opensrf repo, but the Evergreen team doesn't.....and also why he can't get some of those interfaces to work properly in his browser |
| 15:38 |
* bottotr |
wonders if off-color phrase for those who seek karma is now prohibited by policy |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
There's an Evergreen org. on github, plus an iNCIPit group, and I want to join MARC4J. |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
dbs: well, Dyrcona was talking about marc4j, I was talking about having added him to the iNCIPit org/repo, and remingtron and someone else in one of the DIG sessions inquired about using it for making some trivial docs pullrequests easier for new users. |
| 15:39 |
jeff |
(and i was typing too much and Dyrcona said some of what I said already) |
| 15:39 |
dbs |
cool, thanks! |
| 15:40 |
* csharp |
imagines doing reingests over and over just to tweak settings |
| 15:40 |
terranmc |
Is there a cheatsheet of the @ macros we can use in here? |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
terranmc: pinesol_green has some built-in help, but in my opinion it's not the best for exploring. |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
@help who |
| 15:41 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: (who [<channel>] <question>) -- Answers <question> with a random nick from <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
@help ana |
| 15:41 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: (ana ana) -- generate an anagram |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
@list |
| 15:41 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Admin, Anagram, Assorted2, Blame, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Dunno, Encyclopedia, Games, Git, Herald, Insult, Karma, Later, LoveHate, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Note, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Reply, Seen, Status, Time, Todo, Twitter, User, and Weather |
| 15:41 |
hbrennan |
terranmc: I would love to see macros here: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc-quick-start |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
@list MARC |
| 15:41 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: marc and rand |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
@help marc |
| 15:41 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: (marc look up field or field/subfield combo in MARC docs) -- eg. @marc 245 or @marc 245 a |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
@marc 505 a |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Formatted contents note The format of the note is determined by the relevant cataloging rules. |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
@marc 856 z |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Public note (Repeatable) |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
@marc 856 |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
@more |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: [a,b,c,d,f,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,2,3,6,8] |
| 15:42 |
dbs |
csharp: reingest is part of the setting tweaking dialectic! |
| 15:43 |
terranmc |
Hbrennan: agreed |
| 15:43 |
jeff |
speaking of commands... |
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| 15:43 |
jeff |
csharp, bshum: do either of you have information on how to add/remove/edit factoids like: |
| 15:43 |
jeff |
~git |
| 15:43 |
pinesol_green |
See Evergreen git information at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:git |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
jeff: ~git is <reply> blah blah |
| 15:44 |
* jeff |
reads pinesol_green plugin source since i doubt bshum is going to answer me right away. :-) |
| 15:44 |
hbrennan |
terranmc: I just discovered that IRC help section in the wiki and plan on adding a few things, but kmlussier did a great job so far |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
~bot |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
Hi, I'm pinesol_green, the #evergreen channel bot. I do several useful things like log the channel (see http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/), track @karma, save messages for @later, and have several useful factoids like this one (factoid usage: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Using). |
| 15:44 |
tsbere |
And possibly ~no git is <reply> blah blah to override, I believe |
| 15:44 |
jeff |
@list LoveHate |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: caresabout, dontcare, hate, haters, hates, love, lovers, loves, random, sarcasticlove, whocares, whohates, and wholoves |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
jeff: see the link for factoid usage |
| 15:44 |
jeff |
@help whocares |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: (whocares [<channel>] <thing>) -- Find out who cares about <thing> |
| 15:44 |
jeff |
@whocares MARC |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
bshum, jcamins, rfrasur and Dyrcona hate MARC |
| 15:44 |
jeff |
@whocares Perl |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
paxed and jboyer-isl hate Perl |
| 15:44 |
tsbere |
@hate MARC |
| 15:44 |
pinesol_green |
tsbere: The operation succeeded. tsbere hates MARC. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I should learn more about using github. |
| 15:45 |
gsams |
@hate MARC |
| 15:45 |
pinesol_green |
gsams: The operation succeeded. gsams hates MARC. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose when you fork something there it doesn't stay updated with the main repository. |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
So very true. I really, really do...although I also recognize some value...sometimes...but not right now. |
| 15:45 |
jeff |
Also, you can converse with pinesol_green via private message and use *most* commands. Useful for things like help and list commands. |
| 15:45 |
collum |
@sarcasticlove MARC |
| 15:45 |
pinesol_green |
collum: The operation succeeded. collum hates MARC. |
| 15:46 |
csharp |
"@love" marc |
| 15:46 |
hbrennan |
I have the urge to copy this whole section and paste it into the IRC help wiki section |
| 15:46 |
mllewellyn |
@love MARC |
| 15:46 |
pinesol_green |
mllewellyn: The operation succeeded. mllewellyn loves MARC. |
| 15:46 |
terranmc |
Hbrennan++ |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
Ohhhh, I didn't know about the sarcasticlove comment |
| 15:46 |
mllewellyn |
someone has to |
| 15:46 |
dbs |
hbrennan++ # do it |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
hbrennan++ |
| 15:46 |
terranmc |
Jeff++ |
| 15:46 |
gsams |
hbrennan: probably not a bad idea honestly. Just saw more about commands and widgets in the last 10 minutes than I've seen since I started showing up in #evergreen |
| 15:46 |
gsams |
hbrennan++ |
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| 15:47 |
mllewellyn |
hbrennan: ++ |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
~whoswho is For a "who's who" of #evergreen, see http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
| 15:47 |
pinesol_green |
I'll remember that, jeff |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
@whoswho |
| 15:47 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
er. |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
~whoswho |
| 15:47 |
pinesol_green |
whoswho is For a "who's who" of #evergreen, see http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
should have remembered <reply> :-) |
| 15:48 |
tsbere |
~no whoswho is <reply> For a "who's who" of #evergreen, see http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
| 15:48 |
pinesol_green |
In #evergreen, tsbere said: ~no whoswho is <reply> For a "who's who" of #evergreen, see http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
| 15:48 |
tsbere |
huh, apparently I am not authed to the bot. Or my account stopped existing at some point. <_< |
| 15:48 |
jeff |
~whoswho |
| 15:48 |
pinesol_green |
For a "who's who" of #evergreen, see http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
| 15:48 |
jeff |
(i fixed via msg) |
| 15:49 |
gsams |
can I be added to that list? |
| 15:49 |
csharp |
~wiki |
| 15:49 |
jeff |
gsams: one moment. |
| 15:49 |
hbrennan |
gsams, if you have a wiki acct you can add yourself |
| 15:50 |
hbrennan |
woops, jeff is one it |
| 15:50 |
bottotr |
merchandising, where the real money in the movie is made |
| 15:50 |
bottotr |
</spaceballs> |
| 15:50 |
jeff |
oh, THAT list. sorry, i was mistaken. |
| 15:50 |
gsams |
hbrennan: thanks, I do not yet have an account. I suppose I should look into that haha |
| 15:50 |
jeff |
gsams: msg me an email address and a preferred username and i'll see what i can do. :-) |
| 15:51 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur++ |
| 15:51 |
hbrennan |
I got wiki before going live with EG. They are very trusting. :) |
| 15:51 |
csharp |
rfrasur++ |
| 15:51 |
RoganH |
zazzle.com/evergreenils |
| 15:51 |
jeff |
we need some ssl certificates for evergreen-ils.org :P |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
@quote search parties |
| 15:52 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: 1 found: #46: "<_bott_> I am not a cataloger, but I speak..." |
| 15:52 |
hbrennan |
some add that quote |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
@quote get 46 |
| 15:52 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Quote #46: "<_bott_> I am not a cataloger, but I speak enough MARC to be fun at parties" (added by gmcharlt at 11:43 AM, March 15, 2013) |
| 15:52 |
dbs |
HTTPS Everywhere |
| 15:52 |
csharp |
that seems like a worthwhile expense |
| 15:52 |
csharp |
(SSL certs) |
| 15:52 |
* Dyrcona |
runs his own CA. |
| 15:53 |
jeff |
between StartSSL (free but slightly annoying/unsuitable for various reasons) and RapidSSL (about $10/year), I think it's worth the expense. |
| 15:53 |
csharp |
@quote random |
| 15:53 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Quote #28: "< Dyrcona> If I had a time machine, I'd go back to when I was 14 and kick myself in the pants for quitting practicing the guitar." (added by csharp at 02:01 PM, July 03, 2012) |
| 15:53 |
dbs |
Yep. Protect the privacy of the patron, it's an ALA principle. |
| 15:54 |
csharp |
@who has a factory second Evergreen t-shirt? |
| 15:54 |
pinesol_green |
graced has a factory second Evergreen t-shirt. |
| 15:54 |
csharp |
rfrasur++ |
| 15:55 |
* rfrasur |
bows....less than gracefully. |
| 15:55 |
dbs |
rfrasur++ |
| 15:56 |
csharp |
search++ |
| 15:57 |
mllewellyn |
rfrasur: ++ |
| 15:57 |
rfrasur |
search++ |
| 15:57 |
rfrasur |
responsive_web_design++ |
| 15:58 |
dbs |
wiki: ls -R ~/.Trash |
| 15:58 |
csharp |
bshum++ |
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| 15:59 |
bottotr |
bshum: scroll down, I need more to join my neopaleo diet fad! |
| 15:59 |
hbrennan |
bshum: Yes, please move along |
| 15:59 |
* dbs |
is overly harsh on the wiki, admittedly, but cringes every time someone mentions the wiki and almost anything |
| 16:00 |
mllewellyn |
bshum: ++ |
| 16:00 |
csharp |
I can totally see where you're coming from - it's like a huge unfiled filing cabinet |
| 16:00 |
jeff |
bshum++ |
| 16:00 |
dbs |
bshum++ |
| 16:00 |
gsams |
bshum++ |
| 16:00 |
jeff |
and rfrasur++ since i missed that earlier |
| 16:00 |
dbs |
pinch-hitting for a lightning talk no less! |
| 16:00 |
jeff |
ldwhalen++ batch updates... |
| 16:00 |
rfrasur |
bshum++ #very good talk and shout out for new participation. |
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* jeff |
stops talking added content and Syndetics with csharp and terranmc to listen to dbs talk about linked data |
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bshum |
jeff: Must file and fix bug! |
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bshum |
(but yes, please pay attention to dbs and take cool notes for the rest of us) |
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bshum |
:) |
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hbrennan |
not just notes, but cool ones |
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gsams |
that an important distinction |
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rfrasur |
notes with pictures? |
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csharp |
cern++ |
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hbrennan |
yeah, like Hyberbole-style cartoons |
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rfrasur |
hbrennan++ |
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rfrasur |
Fantastic!! headlines |
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csharp |
@why am I alive? |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: It reads like a Nigerian 419 scam, but I think it is a sincere question sent to the wrong list. |
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jeff |
@ana pothole crisis |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: Chirpiest loos |
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* csharp |
imagines a plot for a novel where the motive of the killer is to have death dates for authority records |
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hbrennan |
csharp: And they solve the crimes by finding out that the killer has linked themselves to each victim? |
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csharp |
hbrennan: haha |
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jeff |
csharp: for a while, we used "names of deceased local authors" for server names. after a few servers, we joked about needing either 1) a new naming scheme or 2) to start killing some local authors |
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csharp |
it will be called "See Also" |
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rfrasur |
jeff++ |
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gsams |
csharp++ |
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hbrennan |
csharp++ I'd read it |
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rfrasur |
csharp++ |
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jeff |
gopher++ |
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terranmc |
Csharp++ |
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berick |
csharp++ hbrennan++ |
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jeff |
dbs++ "result was academically interesting, but ... a bit of a heterogeneous mess" |
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berick |
"see also II: this time it's personal" |
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csharp |
berick++ |
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jeff |
LEGO++ |
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gsams |
random fact, supposedly Roanoke, TX is the location of the only LEGO distribution warehouse in the United States. |
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rfrasur |
"the vocabulary to rule them all" - I'm wondering which vocabulary grants virtual immortality while turning the user into a wraith. |
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gsams |
I'm not sure if that is actually true, but they say it alot at city hall |
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bottotr |
berick: is the sequel ever as good as the original? |
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RoganH |
rfrasur: elven script, mordor dialect would have been used in the rings of the nine lords |
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rfrasur |
RoganH: how does that render in a browser? |
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RoganH |
rfrausr: it's in unicode |
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RoganH |
rfrasur: it's in unicode |
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gsams |
RoganH++ |
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RoganH |
rfrasur: the creator of unicode actually created it to render Tolkien elvish |
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rfrasur |
RoganH++ |
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csharp |
lisek: welcome! |
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collum |
bottotr: Evil Dead, Evil Dead II, Army of Darkness - they just got better. ;-) |
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lisek |
Thanks! |
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csharp |
dbs++ |
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berick |
bottotr: in this case, yes, because like I said... it's *bum bum bum.. * personal |
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bottotr |
@hate it's personal |
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pinesol_green |
bottotr: The operation succeeded. bottotr hates it's personal. |
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bottotr |
@love it's only business |
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pinesol_green |
bottotr: The operation succeeded. bottotr loves it's only business. |
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berick |
haha |
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jeff |
@who is the inker for the harvard basketball team? |
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pinesol_green |
mmorgan1 is the inker for the harvard basketball team. |
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jeff |
(dbs talk notes that some of the "sports event" relator attributes will be re-used for comics linked data) -- and if you care, i can probably explain that a little more |
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hbrennan |
Next time we need quiet in IRC we should just have dbs talk. Wowo. dbs++ |
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gsams |
hbrennan: He has a commanding presence it seems. |
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gsams |
dbs++ |
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csharp |
I'm so glad he brought that up |
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csharp |
about OCLC uploads |
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csharp |
it's so old school |
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hbrennan |
library workers need to question practices often. We get stuck doing something because it's always been the way |
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jeff |
How many librarians does it take to change a lightbulb? |
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gsams |
most of our cataloging is copy cataloging through OCLC Connexion interface |
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gsams |
so it updates our holdings as we catalog |
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jeff |
CHANGE?!!? |
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csharp |
jeff: the lightbulb gets changed three years later after interminable committee meetings |
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hbrennan |
jeff: Sorry, scary I know. |
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csharp |
and the original librarians involved will have retired by then |
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csharp |
@librarian |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Management:12, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:11, Reference:12, Circulation:12, Systems:11, Research:13, Custodial:9 |
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hbrennan |
It took a lot for me to convince our library staff (9 people including me) to switch our meeting room schedule from paper to Google Cal |
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RoganH |
dbs++ |
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csharp |
dbs++ |
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RoganH |
I don't think I ever thought to explain library metadata as D&D stats. |
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gsams |
dbs++ |
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berick |
dbs++ |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Docs: Revive/merge content into "Using the Staff Client" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=18815ea> |
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phasefx |
@dnd |
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pinesol_green |
phasefx: strength:15 dexterity:13 constitution:12 intelligence:18 wisdom:17 charisma:15 |
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* phasefx |
tries to give folks an itch to convert the pub crawl tonight into a dungeon crawl |
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phasefx |
and for char gen, you have to use pinesol_green |
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* phasefx |
will keep the numbers he just rolled, of course |
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gsams |
@dnd |
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pinesol_green |
gsams: strength:12 dexterity:14 constitution:11 intelligence:13 wisdom:16 charisma:13 |
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phasefx |
@who is a rogue |
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pinesol_green |
eby is a rogue. |
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gsams |
eby seems to be all the things today |
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eby |
except at the conference |
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gsams |
@who is at the conference? |
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pinesol_green |
eeevil is at the conference. |
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jcamins |
@really_hate marc |
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pinesol_green |
jcamins: I see nothing, I know nothing! |
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bshum |
berick: for kmlussier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1115599? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1115599 in Evergreen master "acq: option to receive lineitems is disabled when the lineitems has been cancelled" (affected: 5, heat: 32) [Undecided,Triaged] |
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berick |
thanks bshum |
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bshum |
dbwells: http://pastie.org/8957853 |
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jeff |
/usr/local/Cellar/lftp/4.4.15: 20 files, 2.9M, built in 233.0 minutes |
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jeff |
(because I slept my laptop mid-brew upgrade) |
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jl- |
does anyone want to split a taxi tomorrow after 12 to South Station? |
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* jeff |
attempts to not break lupin |
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* jeff |
installs security updates on lupin |
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jeff |
lupin users, lupin has mosh available courtesy -backports |
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bshum |
gmcharlt: 1415757259 |
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jeff |
tue nov 11 2014? |
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gmcharlt |
jeff: it's a special date - mark it in your calendar! |
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jeff |
mysql. huh. |
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Dyrcona |
mariadb |
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jeff |
not on squeeze :-) |
