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gmcharlt |
jeff: remingtron: I've converted github.com/evergreen-library-system to a organization |
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gmcharlt |
as far as notifications are concerned, it looks like there are a couple options |
| 07:41 |
gmcharlt |
1. folks can join the organization and watch the repos, optionally using the organization membership to help filter the emails |
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gmcharlt |
2. we create a robot github account that exists for the purpose of receiving notifications |
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gmcharlt |
and put a mailing list behind it, or use one of the existing ones |
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csharp |
hbrennan++ |
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csharp |
hbrennan++ |
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csharp |
@karma hbrennan |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Karma for "hbrennan" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21. |
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gmcharlt |
hbrennan++ |
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csharp |
rfrasur++ |
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Dyrcona |
hbrennan++ |
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Dyrcona |
rfrasur++ |
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Dyrcona |
everybody++ # :) |
| 09:24 |
jeff |
gmcharlt++ thanks for the conversion. here's a list of evergreen contributor github accounts i know about: http://goo.gl/ZoWW0v |
| 09:25 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: thanks - I will add all the people when I have a chance |
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jeff |
no rush at all. :-) |
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gmcharlt |
ALL the people # threats+- ;) |
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bshum |
Oh are we switching to github now? (knows there are LP to issue conversion scripts somehwere) /halfjoking-notentirely |
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gmcharlt |
not today :) |
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gmcharlt |
there's just interest in being able to make pull requests against the Github clone more visible |
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gmcharlt |
and I think remingtron wants to encourage use of GitHub pull requests as an entry point for doc updates |
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gmcharlt |
rfrasur++ |
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rfrasur |
whew |
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bshum |
hbrennan++ rfrasur++ csharp++ |
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rfrasur |
hbrennan++ |
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rfrasur |
csharp++ |
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gmcharlt |
csharp++ |
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remingtron |
gmcharlt: yes, github for minor docs fixes. Thanks for looking into the options for email notification. I think your first idea works fine (DIG members join EG org and watch the repo) |
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* Dyrcona |
is behind an EG org on github. I asked about making the user an org a couple of years ago. |
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gmcharlt |
remingtron: sounds good |
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remingtron |
Dyrcona++ #ahead of his time |
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csharp |
stackoverflow++ |
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jeff |
stackoverflow++ serverfault++ stackexchange++ |
| 10:00 |
RoganH |
So, the socializing of library metadata? |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
xkcd 979: https://xkcd.com/979/ |
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| 10:00 |
jeff |
(relevant to dweinberger talk) |
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csharp |
jeff++ # exactly |
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Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
mmorgan1: welcome! :-) |
| 10:00 |
Dyrcona |
Happens less and less often, though. |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
"not answering in public is an act of selfishness"++ |
| 10:01 |
csharp |
jeff++ |
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RoganH |
jeff++ |
| 10:01 |
jeff |
this has come to mind as i've fielded private emailed questions and thought about responding "i'm not going to respond privately, but will post some information about this later this week" |
| 10:01 |
RoganH |
Or, a related problem: you find a fix but it's for an old version of a dependency and now it doesn't work anymore but they didn't mention versions so you don't find that out until you've gotten even more frustrated. |
| 10:01 |
jeff |
"thought about responding" because i haven't actually responded in any way yet (sorry, folks) |
| 10:02 |
tsbere |
I find that I end up in loops of posts referencing each other with no useful information on a way too frequent basis, though. >_> |
| 10:02 |
* csharp |
wonders if he's getting the same privately emailed questions as jeff ;-) |
| 10:02 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: and some folks respond to private pings with "please ask your question publicly, as you're likely to get a faster response" |
| 10:03 |
gmcharlt |
and I see the value of such a policy |
| 10:03 |
csharp |
gmcharlt++ |
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bottotr |
"questions" …nearly 2 decades old, but just as true: http://perl.plover.com/Questions.html |
| 10:03 |
* tsbere |
does that when random people send him private questions |
| 10:03 |
gmcharlt |
but to push back a bit -- I think we have to acknowledge that it can take a while to convince folks to take the risk of asking out loud |
| 10:03 |
csharp |
I tend to push people toward the lists when they email me questions |
| 10:03 |
tsbere |
non-random people I vary. A lot of those I answer directly. ;) |
| 10:04 |
gmcharlt |
since who wants to look stupid or ill-informed? |
| 10:04 |
csharp |
@who wants to look stupid or ill-informed? |
| 10:04 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=6&url=evergreen-ils.org |
| 10:04 |
RoganH |
I pretty much accept that I will look stupid and ill informed. |
| 10:04 |
jeff |
gmcharlt: asking out loud is scary |
| 10:04 |
csharp |
we really need to steal zoia's @who plugin |
| 10:05 |
Dyrcona |
csharp we should steal zoia's fusilli plugin..... |
| 10:05 |
mmorgan1 |
jeff: Thanks! Welcome, all! |
| 10:06 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: related to http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/Fusilli-you-crazy-bastard-How-are-you-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Prints_i8541428_.htm ? |
| 10:06 |
csharp |
this is a really good and relevant keynote |
| 10:07 |
jeff |
i appreciate a keynote that avoids the pat-on-the-back echo chamber style of "go go everything is awesome" |
| 10:08 |
bshum |
jeff: Have you seen the Lego movie? That song is still stuck in my head. |
| 10:08 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, very intelligent topic....and good delivery. |
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| 10:11 |
jeff |
bshum: i have not. :-) |
| 10:11 |
jeff |
the room full of library folk does not seem surprised that somewhere there is a bit of incorrect metadata. :-) |
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jeff |
kbutler, alynn26: welcome! |
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csharp |
<connotation>rosie the riveter</connotation> |
| 10:12 |
alynn26 |
thanks |
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Dyrcona |
tsbere: Storage listener is pegged at 100% of CPU. |
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| 10:13 |
jeff |
dagreen: hello! welcome! |
| 10:13 |
dagreen |
hello! thank you! |
| 10:13 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: I am poking at things and noticed, yea |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: Did you just do something? |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
I was about to restart the service. |
| 10:13 |
csharp |
we could set up @herald to welcome new channel members? |
| 10:13 |
csharp |
personal touch is nice, though ;-) |
| 10:14 |
gmcharlt |
jeff++ |
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* jeff |
pokes Freenode staff to see if it's still a recommendation to provide the IP / IP range of a conference to avoid per-IP session/client limits. |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
lots of quotables from this talk |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
ah - yeah - might look like a DoS attack |
| 10:23 |
jeff |
quite a few folk on irc from the conference / hotel wifi. I've contacted Freenode via e-mail after in quiring in #freenode, hopefully we can get an exception to usual limits and people won't be turned away if they try to connect. :-) |
| 10:24 |
* csharp |
creates an "Awesome" checkin modifier |
| 10:25 |
Dyrcona |
Some of our members have talked about doing the awesome box. |
| 10:25 |
Dyrcona |
I should find out if any have. |
| 10:25 |
csharp |
I know our libraries' patrons would love it |
| 10:25 |
eeevil |
awesome box is awesome ... he said without irony |
| 10:25 |
RoganH |
Actually, I could really see the value of doing that and then having the catalog able to flag "awesome" items in opac searches. |
| 10:26 |
csharp |
seems like a simple change from my naive perspective |
| 10:26 |
eeevil |
RoganH: optional relevance component. that'd be easy-peasy |
| 10:26 |
RoganH |
especially if they could choose to do that for "locally awesome" items. |
| 10:26 |
RoganH |
I would think so too. |
| 10:26 |
eeevil |
(relatively speaking, obv ... it's still search) |
| 10:26 |
RoganH |
right |
| 10:26 |
rfrasur |
We're going to do it. We just need a box. Or...some place with a sign...or yeah. |
| 10:26 |
rfrasur |
But we're going to do it. |
| 10:26 |
kbutler |
ditto rfrasur |
| 10:27 |
kbutler |
we were stymied by the awesomeness of Somerville PL's awesome box. |
| 10:27 |
kbutler |
(A TARDIS) |
| 10:27 |
RoganH |
If anyone wants to hack on this I'll supply coffee and/or beer during the process :) |
| 10:27 |
csharp |
kbutler: whoa! |
| 10:27 |
alynn26 |
We talked about doing the Awesome Box. Need to check on it. |
| 10:27 |
csharp |
nerds++ |
| 10:27 |
rfrasur |
linked data leads to clouds....and then you get sheep...and then you can spin yarn, and then you can knit. Librarians full circle |
| 10:28 |
gmcharlt |
kbutler: how does their circ desk support that degree of awesomeness without collapsing? |
| 10:28 |
dagreen |
North Carolina wants Awesome Box. |
| 10:28 |
csharp |
gmcharlt++ |
| 10:29 |
rfrasur |
kbutler: seems that I've seen that awesome box |
| 10:29 |
kbutler |
gmcharlt: we could not figure it out ourselves. It certainly collapsed us. |
| 10:29 |
kbutler |
rfrasur: it was in library hotline a while back |
| 10:29 |
Dyrcona |
At least one of our members is doing the awesome box already. |
| 10:31 |
collum |
A TARDIS box. http://bit.ly/1hGZQoj |
| 10:32 |
Dyrcona |
I think jeff is hammering at some experimental awesome code. :) |
| 10:32 |
jeff |
heh |
| 10:32 |
rfrasur |
collum: that's where I saw it. |
| 10:33 |
collum |
Looks great. I may have to get to my workbench this weekend. |
| 10:33 |
jeff |
i've registered for an awesome box (the web page), now i'm just thinking about ways to do the patron "this is awesome" both in-library and in-catalog. |
| 10:33 |
jeff |
as well as treat awesomebox as a form of added content in the catalog. |
| 10:33 |
kbutler |
Oh, my apologies to Brookline. I knew it was somewhere in MA. |
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| 10:34 |
jeff |
having a second dropbox that gets "this is awesome" treatment automatically is interesting. |
| 10:34 |
jeffdavis |
RFID would make it pretty easy. |
| 10:34 |
kbutler |
Yeah. We weren't sure whether awesomeness should be ephemeral/temporary or recorded forever. |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
and this dovetails a little bit with some conversations i've been having with regard to sharing statistical information between (to start) Evergreen libraries |
| 10:35 |
tsbere |
From the "in Evergreen tracking" point of view, add a column to action.circulation that gets set when a checkin happened with the right modifier, perhaps? |
| 10:36 |
tsbere |
with the circulation column we could then also indicate in circ history "you found this awesome!" |
| 10:36 |
kbutler |
ooh |
| 10:36 |
kbutler |
that sounds like the seed for an amazon-esque recommended titles thing :) |
| 10:37 |
tsbere |
heh, "only keep awesom circ history" |
| 10:38 |
tsbere |
er, awesome |
| 10:38 |
jeff |
anything along those lines, though i was thinking more along the lines of action.circ_stat_cat_entry or the like, or metadata on a list item. :-) |
| 10:38 |
jeff |
mllewellyn: hello! |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
I think it would be nice to have the awesome checkin modifier so you don't have to scan again on the awesome.io site. |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
Then, some kind of "awesome" page or search in the catalog. |
| 10:40 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 10:41 |
mllewellyn |
jeff:hello! |
| 10:41 |
jeff |
while still allowing for integration back into example.asesomebox.io, because there's some value to be had in seeing your library on the map, etc. |
| 10:41 |
tsbere |
A button in checkouts or circ history to report something was awesome might be good too. At least one of our libraries has most of their checkins go through an AMH, removing the "box" aspect that is needed right now... |
| 10:41 |
rfrasur |
Um, I think makerspaces are fairly irrelevent to the future of libraries. Just saying. |
| 10:42 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: I don't know, but I don't work in a library. |
| 10:42 |
jeff |
rfrasur: old thinking: "we have a contract with an ebook vendor! we're relevant again!" -- new thinking: "we bought a 3D printer and hung a sign saying 'maker space', we're relevant again!" :-) |
| 10:42 |
rfrasur |
Jeff: yes. |
| 10:42 |
jeffdavis |
jeff++ |
| 10:42 |
rfrasur |
jeff++ |
| 10:43 |
kbutler |
jeff++ |
| 10:43 |
rfrasur |
I've got nothing against them, per se...but to think that's going to "fix libraries" is kinda silly from my perspective. |
| 10:43 |
* bottotr |
has managed to stay out of trouble by suppressing his comments about makerspaces |
| 10:43 |
rfrasur |
bottotr: I've said the things...it's not much trouble. Of course, I pick my audience. |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 10:44 |
* jeff |
wonders is dweinberger is aware of the work dbs has been doing on linked data in Evergreen catalogs |
| 10:44 |
rfrasur |
Keeping in mind that I WANT a 3D printer. |
| 10:44 |
bottotr |
rfrasur: unfortunately, they tend to be popular with donors |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
Is dbs here, yet? I haven't seen him. |
| 10:44 |
bottotr |
very buzz-word'ish |
| 10:44 |
collum |
Haven't libraries always done makerspaces. Is this just a trendy name. |
| 10:45 |
rfrasur |
bottotr: yeah, that's true. |
| 10:45 |
alynn26 |
rfrasur: I do to, but not for public use. |
| 10:45 |
mllewellyn |
I'mwaitignfor a Star Trk replicator |
| 10:45 |
* collum |
may misunderstand makerspaces. |
| 10:45 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: bshum said something about dbs arriving Friday |
| 10:45 |
csharp |
a lot of this talk fits with dbs's efforts with schema.org methinks |
| 10:45 |
rfrasur |
collum: you're not misunderstanding the concept. |
| 10:45 |
jeffdavis |
collum: similar principles, different domains, IMO. |
| 10:45 |
jeff |
"While there is an awesomebox webapp available at awesomebox.io, I wanted to see if I could make a simple one that the public could scan and tweet about the item in real time when returning. " https://github.com/lafayettepubliclibrary/awesomebox |
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jeff |
mjingle: greetings from afar! conference keynote just ended and everyone's on break chatting in person as opposed to irc. |
| 10:55 |
mjingle |
jeff: thanks! No worries. I figured I might as well stop in and see the chatter live, live vicariously, etc. etc. :) |
| 10:56 |
mjingle |
jeff: (Also, it's a sane hour here on the West Coast, so I'm joining in.) |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Add missing screenshot files for new 2.5 Acq import feature - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6b106f7> |
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jeff |
i see a mix of people joining from the conference/hotel wifi and joining from their mobile device's data connection. :-) |
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* jeff |
is listening to gmcharlt and RoganH telling war stories |
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bshum |
jeff: I think dbs should be here tonight sometime. Maybe. He's speaking tomorrow. |
| 11:21 |
jeff |
speaking about linked data / schema.org, if i'm not mistaken. :-) |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
bshum: i'm interested in tweaking pinesol_green. do you think you might have time to confer on that? |
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bshum |
jeff: Yeah I'm behind you. Did you sign up to any lunches? |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
bshum: tonight is likely out, but maybe in between sessions, or lunch/reception or tomorrow |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
i didn't sign up for lunch! where are you going? |
| 11:24 |
bshum |
I'm boring, just going to Champions. |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
ah |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
went there for breakfast. |
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bshum |
But yeah, we'll find some time then later. |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: Come to Catalyst with afterl and me! |
| 11:25 |
bshum |
csharp: CREATE INDEX metabib_full_rec_index_vector_idx ON real_full_rec USING gist (index_vector); |
| 11:25 |
bshum |
That's the index that's going LONG while waiting for the restore. |
| 11:27 |
bshum |
Well, I think. |
| 11:27 |
bshum |
It's the only "active" state query going on pg_stat_activity for my database that's being restored right now. |
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Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 11:31 |
Dyrcona |
re: "paranoia" I'm usually most suspicious when something works the first time. |
| 11:33 |
* csharp |
proposes a Larry Wall/Galen Charlton cyborg feature for Evergreen |
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csharp |
bshum: that may have been the one |
| 11:34 |
* Dyrcona |
was thinking of morphing photos of the two after dinner/drinks this evening. |
| 11:40 |
jeff |
librator: greetings! |
| 11:40 |
dbs |
bshum / jeff: yep, arriving at airport at 8:00 tonight, so probably won't see anyone until tomorrow |
| 11:41 |
Dyrcona |
dbs++ |
| 11:42 |
bshum |
dbs++ # you have transport in from the airport? (some of us have vehicles and could pick you up :)) |
| 11:42 |
jeff |
dbs: see you tomorrow, then! :-) |
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* csharp |
found public transit to be excellent between airport and hotel |
| 11:42 |
jeff |
not to discourage rides from those with vehicles, but we found public transit to work very well |
| 11:43 |
jeff |
csharp: jinx |
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csharp |
jeff++ |
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kbutler |
jeff++ |
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kbutler |
csharp++ |
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jeff |
bshum: ilbot's web interface to irc logs is rather nice. |
| 11:43 |
csharp |
(not to mention free) |
| 11:43 |
jeff |
bshum++ |
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bottotr |
free++ |
| 11:44 |
bshum |
jeff: Borrowed the idea from our friends in Koha. But our ilbot is newer than theirs *smirks* |
| 11:46 |
bshum |
Though still not as new as ilbot3. Which runs with postgresql. So I want to convert to that someday. |
| 11:46 |
bshum |
We're ilbot2. |
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dbs |
bshum: I was planning on the public transit option, but thanks :) |
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dweinberger |
howdy |
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dweinberger |
hello, mmorgan1 |
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mmorgan1 |
hello! |
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jeffdavis |
dweinberger: welcome to the channel! |
| 13:12 |
dweinberger |
hi jeffd. Thanks! |
| 13:13 |
dweinberger |
I'm hoping to use this IRC as an example (a positive example!) for a column I'm writing. Can I ask a couple of questions, or is that too intrusive? |
| 13:14 |
bradl |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg |
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dweinberger |
Ok, three then. |
| 13:15 |
bradl |
*8-) |
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jeffdavis |
Folks are still trickling back in from lunch, so you may want to wait a couple minutes for them to get back online. |
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dweinberger |
Typically, how many people are on this IRC? (This is for a quick characterization, so I'm happy to take an approximation that will convey something more true than false.) |
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dweinberger |
2. What are a couple of quick examples of the sorts of questions that are raised here? (The more specific, the better.) |
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dweinberger |
i guess lunch is over! |
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jeffdavis |
dweinberger: For #1, I would guess there are normally 50-60 in the channel, but the number who are active is rather smaller since many just lurk. |
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dweinberger |
Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks! |
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dweinberger |
BTW, that's an impressive number! |
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gsams |
Jeff: librator is me BTW. I was logging in too many places... |
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csharp |
bradl++ # these questions three |
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bradl |
dweinberger: for your #2, I'd say the majority of questions are pretty technical. There is a fair amount of developer-to-developer coordination/talk. That is, when everyone isn't complaining about the winter weather. :) |
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csharp |
and sys admin to developer (e.g. questions about implementation/configuration) |
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dweinberger |
Can you give me some examples of the sorts of questions? I'd like to give a flavor of the level of technicality, so don't worry about them not being understandable in themselves. |
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hbrennan |
I use this list to ask complicated questions that are almost guaranteed to require some back and forth, or for questions I need answers to almost immediately |
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dweinberger |
"For example, someone might ask how to _____"/// |
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csharp |
dweinberger: this and the following would probably be representative/typical (of both development and weather ;-)) |
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csharp |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2014-03-07#i_75016 |
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hbrennan |
example: I want to edit the right facet bar area in the OPAC, to rearrange the subjects. What's the name of that file in openils? |
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bradl |
csharp++ |
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hbrennan |
I have enough skill to edit the database, but I have no idea how it is organized, so I constantly need help finding the right spot |
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dweinberger |
C'mon, hbrennan, that's so obvious! It's "right_facet_bar," obviously! :) |
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dweinberger |
(Great example, hbrennan. Thank you.) |
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dweinberger |
You've given me what I need. I'll just lurk for a while now. Thank you!!! |
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hbrennan |
dweinberger: Haha. I wish. Usually I don't feel bad about asking because the files have crazy names |
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hbrennan |
dweinberger: I know I didn't call it the right facet bar when asking either. I used much more creative language, then bshum helped |
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dweinberger |
I know bshum! At least I saw him pass by when I was getting coffee this morning. Plus he got a shout-out from the podium this morning. |
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hbrennan |
He's AWESOME. bshum++ He helped me get my IRC set up, Evergreen wiki account, all before I had met him |
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hbrennan |
bshum would be here now, but he's on stage |
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dweinberger |
hah! |
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mmorgan1 |
So, maybe we should try and stuff bshum in the awesomebox? |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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rfrasur |
soon. Very soon. |
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rfrasur |
well, after the session...so not that soon. |
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dweinberger |
Brookline Public built an awesome box that looks like a Tardis, so stuffing someone into one is a distinct possiblity. Especially if they're properly barcoded. |
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dweinberger |
It'd be a nice addition to Google Glass, don't you think? Blink three times if you think the person you're looking at is awesome. |
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rfrasur |
The question is is they come back out of the TARDIS in the same place. |
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rfrasur |
s/is/if |
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kmlussier |
dweinberger: Although questions here tend to be fairly technical, we do on occasion get some more lower tech, "how to use the software" questions in here. That's how I got started. |
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kmlussier |
I find a get answers in here more quickly than on the mailing list. |
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kmlussier |
And we also use the channel for all of our community meetings. |
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dweinberger |
cool! It seems to be a powerful tool for building community. |
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rfrasur |
dweinberger: it definitely is. |
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hbrennan |
It would have been very awkward to meet people in 2013 and try to pick up a year later. IRC has allowed me to continue building relationships while being far away |
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hbrennan |
The mailing list is wonderful, but spontaneous learning happens in IRC |
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dweinberger |
What happens on the mailing list? |
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kmlussier |
dweinberger: Also, welcome to our humble channel. |
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dweinberger |
:) |
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dweinberger |
(If I'm distracting from bshum on stage, let me know. I can ask these questions any time.) |
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hbrennan |
The mailing list is mainly used for non-tech questions, also great for surveying a large group on their thoughts |
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hbrennan |
Seems to have the most non-Evergreen people on the mailing list, often asking questions when they are considering switching |
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hbrennan |
also for non-Evergreen questions, one yesterday was asking about PC reservation software... Guess they just wanted to ask Evergreeners because we're trustworthy? :) |
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dweinberger |
It's a great way to see what the community is like. I hope you send prospects to the IRC as well. |
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collum |
The mailing lists seem to also be used by those intimidated or unfamiliar with IRC. |
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bottotr |
the mailing list also gets a lot of newcomers, that haven't yet learned our IRC ways |
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collum |
jinx |
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dweinberger |
Note that I realize that I have violated the first rule of IRC: Lurk before speaking. But I really did intend to just ask a couple of questions. |
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bottotr |
I believe keynoting gives a good initial karma boost |
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rfrasur |
dweinberger: rules schmules |
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dweinberger |
Burn the anarchist! |
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dweinberger |
(Sorry. It says right here that anarchists must be burned. Hey, I don't make the rules!) |
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* Dyrcona |
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kmlussier |
dweinberger++ #Jumping in with questions before lurking. |
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rfrasur |
:D |
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collum |
Monday morning I read "we are publicly logged" as "we are publicly flogged" I then put on my glasses. |
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rfrasur |
oh, it's important to note that typing [off] turns off the logging for an individual comment. |
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jeff |
lots of irc activity. :-) |
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csharp |
hopefully there will be fewere kpac/craftsman comparisons after bshum, afterl, and terran's presentation |
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rfrasur |
Does anyone in here know if there's a conservancy donation link for EG somewhere on evergreen-ils.org? |
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csharp |
s/fewere/fewer/ |
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dweinberger |
This has been really helpful for the column I'm trying to write. It's also _great_ to see a community like this. Thanks!!!!! |
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mrpeters |
ahhh craftsman...'twas so pretty! |
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* bottotr |
had forgotten about craftsman! |
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bottotr |
…selective amnesia |
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mrpeters |
its like Sega Dreamcast....looked great, just was ahead of its time it seems! |
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bottotr |
it was such a neglected child |
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mrpeters |
is there some new magic to make newly loaded item records opac visible? I tried SELECT asset.refresh_opac_visible_copies_mat_view(); but still getting no results for the items on records I know they are attached to. Org/Copy Loc are both opac_visible as well. |
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bottotr |
copy.status is visible as well? |
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mrpeters |
0 (Available) |
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mrpeters |
i have no doubt it's some default value like that that i missed though, bottotr |
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bottotr |
to be clear, title is appearing, just not newly created copies? |
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mrpeters |
yeah |
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bottotr |
search location includes said copies? |
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mrpeters |
i can browse to eg/opac/record/foo which is the bre.id of record for this item |
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mrpeters |
yeah, searching at locg of the owner of copies, and tried as well at CONS level |
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jeff |
I'm not in phasefx's talk, but I'm very interested in hearing a list of the different things that people are doing with receipts -- if anyone is interested in sharing notes. :-) |
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bottotr |
copies are not attached to a deleted call_number? …I've encountered that |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell rfrasur donations can be made at http://evergreen-ils.org/conservancy/ |
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pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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bottotr |
jeff: animated gifs on receipts! amazing stuff! |
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mrpeters |
aha, the copy in question is in "Stacks" which is set to opac_visible FALSE. Bah |
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jeff |
long ago overheard conversation that caused an outburst of laughter: "Did you see that thing PERSON sent out? I printed it out. It's this Flash animation..." |
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bottotr |
they just don't print well |
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jeff |
Lots of new names, so I'll throw out a general greeting / welcome to the new(ish) folk here. Greetings AND welcome! :-) |
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bottotr |
jeff: phasefx says you should style your receipts with comic sans |
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jeff |
we found the secret to removing MS Comic Sans from our 3M SelfCheck interfaces. |
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* bottotr |
had never considered an <img> in a receipt template. |
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hbrennan |
I need to ask Jason for his slides... full of html and css, perfect examples |
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bottotr |
much easier than the printer's stored bitmap |
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hbrennan |
I think I saw him type in a url to get to his presentation, that will be a must |
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jeff |
bottotr: you can also: -moz-transform: rotate(90deg);-moz-transform-origin: bottom left; |
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hbrennan |
Oh goodness, you can get rid of the 11:59pm due date time |
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jeff |
yep! |
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mmorgan1 |
Does that work for the patron birth date, too? |
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jeff |
like %DATE_FORMAT(%shelf_expire_time%,%F)% to have your hold slips have a shelf expire time that looks like 2014-03-27 |
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hbrennan |
I've never see a time for DOB |
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mrpeters |
jboyer-isl does some bad ass things with reciept templates |
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jeff |
we don't have receipts that include DOB, so i've never used it. |
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jeff |
rather, i've never had a need to format a DOB on a receipt. |
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bottotr |
we substr our shelf_expire_time, so staff just see a MM/DD as a "pull" time |
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jeff |
we use Pull after: %DATE_FORMAT(%shelf_expire_time%,%F)% |
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jeff |
so it's: Pull after: 2014-03-27 |
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mrpeters |
http://loquaciousthesis.blogspot.com/ -- jboyer-isl's reciept stuff |
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hbrennan |
conversation in the room about putting advertisement on receipts - interesting idea |
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jeff |
though at main branch, they just pull all of the holds of a certain color |
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* bottotr |
looks at the pretty colors |
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jeff |
we used to promote library programs on receipts, but sadly lost most of our fun receipt stuff when we went >93% self-check at main branch |
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hbrennan |
tinyurl.com/n3gkydg |
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hbrennan |
^ Slides from the receipt talk |
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kbutler |
hbrennan++ |
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jeff |
additional information for some of those new or new-again to irc and #evergreen -- some quick tips on IRC itself: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc-quick-start |
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hbrennan |
jeff: I need to learn more about simple ways to do self-checkout.. We don't have funds for a fancy system, but we think we can pull it off with just a PC |
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jeff |
and a not-complete list of people on #evergreen and their names and affiliations: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:irc_channel |
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hbrennan |
The part I can't figure out is the desensitizing |
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jeff |
hbrennan: if you have a need for desensitizing, your challenge is greater. |
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hbrennan |
jeff: Darn. That's what I thought |
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hbrennan |
Do magic mats exist so if patrons are near the self-checkout the items automatically desensitize because of proximity |
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jeff |
if you're using EM style "thunk!" sensitization / desensitization, the book needs to be quite close, and other non-book things need to be quite far away. |
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jeff |
one of my favorite check-in tricks on our old 3M EM "thunkers" was to place some paper clips on the surface of the unit and then scan a barcode. |
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jeff |
(the paperclips would go flying) |
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hbrennan |
We have one of those thunks, and a few small portable bars |
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hbrennan |
But they are super magnetic and have already collided with other things just from staff use... one even chipped the metal |
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* jeff |
nods |
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jeff |
one option is to stop using the security entirely. |
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hbrennan |
And de-strip 50,000 items? :) |
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jeff |
most of the "thunkers" have the ability to check items "in" our "out". you could leave the strips in the materials but just check them all "out" (unsecured, ok to go out the door) |
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jeff |
OR turn off the gates. |
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hbrennan |
jeff: Duh. Jeez. :) |
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jeff |
which is more along the lines of what i would recommend because it's easier to "reverse" the decision by turning the gates back on, and no need to touch every item. |
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hbrennan |
Good thinking |
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hbrennan |
There's still a way to get around our gates anyway, and any time it does beep it's always staff fault |
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jeff |
however!: know that your patrons may trip OTHER gates elsewhere if your items are still "armed" |
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hbrennan |
That happens all the time with incoming patrons |
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collum |
That's possible even if they are not armed. |
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jeff |
heh |
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collum |
The gates themselves are usually a deterrent. |
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tsbere |
I have bought things at a local store and tripped the gates in the library (before said library turned off their gates, anyway) |
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jeff |
i don't have direct experience with hacking on the EM-style security units since we no longer use them (moved to RFID), but I know some people on either the code4lib and/or koha lists have at least TALKED about ideas in terms of hardware. |
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jeff |
one approach: self check unit "thunks" the item if it's the right SIP material/item type and if it successfully checked out. |
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jeff |
another option: patrons check items out, then scan them again on a different unit, where the item status and type is polled and checked out items are "thunked" |
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jeff |
the second approach is used by low-volume single item things like libraries that offer checkout via a mobile app. |
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jeff |
you check the item out on your phone, then you pass it over the security pillar and it gets cleared to leave (because it polls to ensure that the item is checked out in the ILS) |
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jeff |
how in the world did i walk into an interest group and walk out with an action item? |
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hbrennan |
Woops, got distracted... so many EGers in real life! |
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hbrennan |
break time |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Docs: Revive old section about Column Picker - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f0b6585> |
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tsbere |
jeff: You pulled off getting an action item from an interest group? I am curious as to how you did that too, if only to avoid it myself in the future ;) |
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hbrennan |
jeff: Are you the Jeff active in Twitter? |
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Dyrcona |
Boo! |
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bottotr |
boo who? |
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rfrasur |
awwww...no need to cry about it |
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mllewellyn |
Very old joke. Sneezing from the dust! |
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rfrasur |
gmcharlt++ #thank you |
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rfrasur |
mllewellyn: my apologies. Even I groaned typing it. |
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* bottotr |
makes no apologies for stepping into the joke |
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* rfrasur |
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bshum |
dbwells++ |
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Dyrcona |
dbwells++ |
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Dyrcona |
bshum: Yeah. I forgot. |
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bshum |
Dyrcona: It's okay, I tested it and put it at the end. I'm good now. |
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Dyrcona |
You need the 2>&1 after you redirect to the file. |
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Dyrcona |
whuffie? |
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* Dyrcona |
needs to read Cory Dotorow. |
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Dyrcona |
Doctorow, even. |
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jeff |
hbrennan: I am not too active on twitter currently. I'm guessing that's Jeff Davis (@skrrrl) |
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jeff |
hbrennan: I'm @ffej on Twitter, though other than creating a list of other folk here, I've not tweeted about the conference yet. |
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hbrennan |
jeff: bshum says he's introducing us at the reception |
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* jeff |
laughs |
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jeff |
got it. look forward to it! |
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hbrennan |
:) |
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* jeff |
realizes once again that his twitter avatar is rather... dated |
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hbrennan |
jeff: I like to know the helpful people I chat with! |
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gmcharlt |
repeating what I just emailed about -- I'm proposing that we hold an in-person dev meeting at the conference at lunch tomorrow |
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gmcharlt |
purpose: (1) do our usual hashing together of the dev update |
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gmcharlt |
(2) discuss and elect a release manager for Evergreen 2.7/3.0/v999.0 |
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