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bshum |
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dbs |
uh oh. when bshum is cogitating, something is afoot. |
08:48 |
bshum |
Oh no, I'm just trying to hang together some data for a library that's joining us and going live today. |
08:48 |
bshum |
First new lib in a couple years. Too rusty :) |
08:51 |
dbs |
Are they getting libinfo pages yet? :) |
08:52 |
bshum |
dbs: Heh, unfortunately not. I have to spend more time teasing out what else is new alongside all of that to make sure it doesn't break stuff for production. |
08:53 |
bshum |
That said, I did trial run libinfo on my test server. I think the only thing I want to tweak locally for us is how the mailing address gets displayed and maybe removing the parent links (most of it doesn't help the single branch systems) |
08:56 |
jeff |
in the case of the parent links, would you see benefit to removing the human-visible links but leave the microdata? |
08:56 |
dbs |
a) There's no microdata, it's RDFa </pedant> |
08:56 |
dbs |
b) Probably not, as the search engines get suspicious when they're fed info that humans don't see. |
08:57 |
dbs |
c) JSON-LD might be an option in that case. |
08:57 |
jeff |
dammit, i KNEW i'd get it wrong. |
08:57 |
jeff |
if i had gone with my initial instinct of "linked data" instead of "microdata", would I have been more accurate? :-) |
08:58 |
dbs |
Structured data is probably most accurate, linked data also more accurate |
08:58 |
jeff |
thanks. :-) |
08:58 |
dbs |
bshum: I should probably build in OU visibility to those parent links if I didn't already |
08:59 |
jeff |
good morning, eg-dev-db! it's been... er, a little less than three hours since we last spoke. Good to see you again! |
08:59 |
bshum |
dbs: Ah, you know I think that might help. |
09:00 |
bshum |
Now that you mention it. |
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jeff |
@later tell eeevil alas, looks like not even a restore as the evergreen user can save you from pg_restore's explicit search paths. |
09:01 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: The operation succeeded. |
09:03 |
dbs |
so... schema-qualify all the functions, or put everything into public schema |
09:03 |
* dbs |
votes for the former |
09:03 |
jeff |
likewise. |
09:04 |
jeff |
and eevil already voted last night! |
09:09 |
bshum |
I like that. |
09:12 |
jeff |
i'm mildly curious if a schema-only followed by a data-only restore would circumvent the issue, but that's a bit of a tangent. |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: We run a script after a restore to fix things. I believe that I have shared it before. |
09:23 |
* jeff |
nods |
09:29 |
jeff |
oh those wacky pg_dump/pg_restore antics! |
09:31 |
jeff |
view definitions with timestamptz get normalized somewhere in the process of restoring then dumping (then technically "restoring" to diff) |
09:31 |
jeff |
nothing stock in evergreen, so it just serves to bring attention to some old views that can be removed at some point in the near future. :-) |
09:32 |
* jeff |
stops pulling at these threads and goes to pick up a different thread |
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jboyer-isl |
If the polls are still open I'm all for fully qualified function names. Needing to use an "evergreen" user to get expected functionality is essentially the same as requiring a specific installation prefix... |
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Dyrcona |
Now, why would we want to do that? ;) |
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csharp |
jeff: I have ended up doing 'ALTER ROLE evergreen SET search_path = blah' in our case |
11:27 |
jeff |
and in your experience have you found that doing this before a pg_restore resolves your search_path issues when creating the two authorities indexes in question? |
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11:32 |
csharp |
jeff: I can say that having done that last month for our production upgrade gave us an error-free pg_restore experience ;-) |
11:33 |
csharp |
I can't speak to the specific indexes, but I believe so, yeah |
11:33 |
jeff |
and were those indexes present before the pg_dump? ;-) |
11:33 |
* jeff |
grins |
11:34 |
csharp |
I'm pretty sure I used 'script' to log everything - let me look |
11:35 |
csharp |
nope - I just 'script'-ed the actual upgrade scripts |
11:36 |
jeff |
do you have the indexes authority.by_heading_and_thesaurus and authority.by_heading ? |
11:38 |
csharp |
hmm - no, in fact, we don't :-/ |
11:39 |
jeff |
aha! :-) |
11:39 |
csharp |
I will say that we have been happily running 2.5.1 since 1/22 without them ;-) |
11:39 |
csharp |
is there documentation somewhere about what they do? |
11:40 |
jeff |
they are both indexes on authority.record_entry |
11:41 |
jeff |
any queries or functions that use authority.normalize_heading or authority.simple_normalize_heading would likely benefit from them. |
11:42 |
csharp |
hmm |
11:42 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: There's a script for that. :) |
11:43 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: oh? |
11:43 |
jeff |
Dyrcona refers to a script which re-creates the two indexes, used post-pg_restore |
11:43 |
csharp |
ah - I see |
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Dyrcona |
I was just looking to see if I could find it at paste.evergreen-ils.org, but gave up. :) |
11:49 |
csharp |
well, I'm now running the CREATE INDEX commands on my test db to time them |
11:49 |
Dyrcona |
Cool. |
11:49 |
csharp |
I don't see much in the code though that actually references the normalize_heading functions |
11:49 |
csharp |
which must be why we haven't noticed ;-) |
11:49 |
Dyrcona |
I think our script also sets the function search path, too. |
11:51 |
pastebot |
"Dyrcona" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Errors on pg_restore" (8 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/25 |
11:51 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: You should errors like the above on pg_restore. |
11:51 |
csharp |
looks like search_authority_by_simple_normalize_heading is defined as a subroutine in Open-ILS/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Search/Authority.pm but it doesn't appear to be called anywhere |
11:52 |
csharp |
I'm sure that happened to us too then |
11:52 |
csharp |
I do remember seeing "2 errors ignored", so I ignored them too ;-) |
11:53 |
csharp |
happily it wasn't crucial ;-) |
11:53 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
11:54 |
Dyrcona |
You probably won't see that last line. That comes from setting the path in evergreen db from postgres db. |
12:07 |
bshum |
mmorgan++ # more feedback! |
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Dyrcona |
Hmm. I just remembered why our script set the database search path. |
12:11 |
Dyrcona |
We don't login to the evergreen database as user evergreen. |
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12:26 |
csharp |
eeevil: I'll take a look at your hold proximity patches |
12:26 |
csharp |
(for bug 1272316, for context) |
12:26 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1272316 in Evergreen "much slower holds processing in 2.4+" (affected: 9, heat: 38) [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272316 |
12:27 |
eeevil |
csharp: great. I'm getting that in place in another large test system... MORE DATA POINTS! |
12:27 |
csharp |
excellent |
12:28 |
eeevil |
jeff: bah! (restore) ... I have a feeling things are getting worse, not better, with more modern pg_restore binaries |
12:30 |
jeff |
eeevil: all the more reason to move toward explicit qualification. of course, then there's potential for different search paths over time to have resulted in conflicting (or at least duplicate) functions in a live evergreen database, which might not be an issue until explicit schema qualification comes along... |
12:31 |
eeevil |
jeff: yeah, we'll have to 1) qualify function names and 2) CREATE OR REPLACE the functions ... not in that order, obv |
12:31 |
jeff |
eeevil: overall, seems to be a good band-aid to rip off, and perhaps a helpful script in extras to help identify things that may be problematic for a particular database. |
12:32 |
tsbere |
drop them all and re-create them where we want them! ;) |
12:34 |
jeff |
once 2) and 1) above are done, a script could be optionally run for "hey, we found these evergreen functions hanging out in public -- you might want to kill them off!" :-) |
12:35 |
dbwells |
re: the current billing discussion, I'm wondering if anyone can shed light on the usefulness of "work" and "goods" payments. I mean, I can imagine what they mean, but I wonder if they are really broadly useful. |
12:35 |
csharp |
dbwells: since those are PINES things, as far as I can tell, I'll see how well-used they are here |
12:35 |
jeff |
libraries that use them will have them in their database and will likely want to preserve that, as well as preserve whatever use they are using them for. "work" i would imagine as "volunteer at the library, we forgive some fines" and goods as in "food for fines" programs. |
12:36 |
csharp |
s/PINES things/originally PINES things? |
12:36 |
dbwells |
Locally, we abuse "work" payments to mean something else. |
12:38 |
jeff |
we've been using "Forgive" for partial voiding. |
12:38 |
jeff |
(a la negative conditional balances) |
12:38 |
csharp |
goods (15454) is far more commonly used than work (1653) over the 2013 calendar year |
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dbwells |
csharp: So your libraries actually accept "goods" for payment of fines? Like trading in candy bars or livestock or something? Or does it mean something else? |
12:40 |
kmlussier |
I imagine some libraries use it for canned food drives. |
12:41 |
csharp |
dbwells: it's usually canned goods, like a "food for fines" type thing |
12:41 |
dbwells |
Ah, makes sense :) |
12:41 |
csharp |
though, I wonder in certain of our rural libraries if livestock would be acceptable ;-) |
12:42 |
dbwells |
I know from my goat farming youth that they can be worth a pretty penny :) |
12:42 |
csharp |
but, goods constitute less than 1% of our total payments over the same time period, so there's that |
12:42 |
mmorgan |
jeff: So when you "Forgive", do you have problems with negative balances if the forgiven bills get voided later? |
12:42 |
csharp |
mmorgan: yep |
12:43 |
dbwells |
csharp: good to know |
12:43 |
csharp |
mmorgan: I know you weren't asking me, but yeah, we just dealt with that with voiding snowday fines :-) |
12:44 |
csharp |
a library had forgiven them before I went through and voided them (with the intention of catching ones they had missed) |
12:44 |
mmorgan |
csharp: I think that's true with all of us :) |
12:44 |
csharp |
they said "void" but meant "forgive" |
12:44 |
jeff |
mmorgan: in our most common workflows, no. we're running code that handles auto-forgive of overdues on Lost, re-billing of forgiven overdues on later checkin of a Lost item, etc. It's a working branch attached to a bug that was made (mostly, at least) superfluous by the conditional negative balances work. |
12:46 |
jeff |
My hope would be to test and ensure that the conditional negative balance work does indeed make our Forgive-not-Void work obsolete. |
12:48 |
mmorgan |
Ah, so you have been circumventing the built in Evergreen behavior for a while. |
12:49 |
jeff |
when it comes to lost item handling, yes. we'd like to bring things back into the fold, since other efforts with slightly differing requirements came along. I believe some of the code from our working branch became part of the conditional negative balances branch. |
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12:51 |
jeffdavis |
Where does osrf_control come from? |
12:51 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: recent versionf of OpenSRF |
12:52 |
jeffdavis |
Sorry, I mean, I don't see it (or a template for it or anything) in the 2.6 source. |
12:52 |
dbwells |
jeff: it replaces osrf_ctl.sh in OpenSRF 2.3+. It is part of OpenSRF, not Evergreen. |
12:52 |
dbwells |
jeffdavis: it replaces osrf_ctl.sh in OpenSRF 2.3+. It is part of OpenSRF, not Evergreen. |
12:53 |
dbwells |
jeff: sorry :) |
12:53 |
jeffdavis |
ah, that explains it. Thanks. |
12:53 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: the OpenSRF makefile links osrf_control to opensrf-perl.pl |
12:53 |
jeffdavis |
I was looking in the EG source. :) |
12:53 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: so there is no file matching osrf_control\* in OpenSRF repo, if you were looking there next. :-) |
12:54 |
* jeffdavis |
skips `find`, proceeds directly to `grep` |
12:55 |
jeff |
in the OpenSRF repo, you'll find the file that becomes opensrf-perl.pl (the target of the osrf_control symlink) at bin/opensrf-perl.pl.in |
12:55 |
Dyrcona1 |
jeffdavis: If you want to see the source of osrf_control.sh just find opensrf-perl.pl and read that. |
12:55 |
Dyrcona1 |
err... I spelled that wrong. |
12:56 |
jeff |
and fwiw, I don't think that there's an osrf_control.sh :-) |
12:56 |
jeff |
er, Dyrcona just realised that. :-) |
12:56 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I just said that. |
12:56 |
jeffdavis |
Yeah, I'm slowly accommodating myself to the freaky new world of suffix-less scripts |
12:57 |
jeff |
tabs vs spaces is just a distraction from the real debate: underscore vs hyphen. |
12:58 |
jeff |
dff00df1cc0d2730cd332c6086ee908e |
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Dyrcona |
My understanding is that most people use suffixes on scripts as a hint to their text editor. |
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13:09 |
mrpeters |
jeff: did you happen to get my email last week Re: Jasper Reports? |
13:16 |
jeff |
no, I don't think so. |
13:16 |
* jeff |
looks |
13:17 |
jeff |
mrpeters: alas, you ended up in my spam folder. unusual. sorry about that! |
13:17 |
jeff |
> Be careful with this message. Many people marked similar messages as spam. |
13:17 |
mrpeters |
no problem! |
13:17 |
mrpeters |
ls |
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mceraso |
dbwells: Just tested the 2.5.3 release candidate using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with great success |
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jeff |
prediction didn't come true: echo -n '/me waits for the typographers to come along and point out his mis-use of "hyphen"' | md5sum |
13:20 |
dbwells |
mceraso++ # thanks! |
13:20 |
mceraso |
On to testing 2.6 beta now... |
13:20 |
bshum |
mceraso++ |
13:21 |
mrpeters |
i said "ls" dammit! |
13:21 |
mrpeters |
haha |
13:22 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: hypen, dash, en dash, or em dash? Perhaps you want a reverse solidus? |
13:22 |
Dyrcona |
mrpeters: bshum is working on fixing the breakage with ls in IRC. :) |
13:23 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: mrpeters: Yeah, just go file a bug report / feature request with the supybot folks :) |
13:23 |
bshum |
:) |
13:23 |
mrpeters |
haha |
13:23 |
csharp |
@ls |
13:23 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=6&url=evergreen-ils.org |
13:24 |
csharp |
@dunno |
13:24 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: MARC still isn't dead yet, alas |
13:25 |
Dyrcona |
@dunno get 7 |
13:25 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Dunno #7: "You probably want hard-boiled eggs." (added by Dyrcona at 05:11 PM, July 02, 2012) |
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13:33 |
csharp |
eeevil: wow - that patch dropped processing time from 24 seconds to 6 seconds for a bib with 224 items attached |
13:34 |
bshum |
Fancy! |
13:34 |
csharp |
it was the test item I sent you the logs for |
13:34 |
csharp |
gonna test some more examples I've gotten |
13:34 |
eeevil |
csharp: great. can you confirm that the output is exactly as you expect? action.hold_copy_map contents, action.hold_request for that one, etc? |
13:35 |
kmlussier |
csharp: That's awesome! |
13:35 |
eeevil |
csharp: and that's on top of senator's previous patch, yes? |
13:35 |
csharp |
eeevil: correct |
13:35 |
eeevil |
csharp: related: how long did it take to run the proximity pre-calc update in the upgrade script? (aprox) |
13:36 |
eeevil |
(approximately, I mean) |
13:36 |
csharp |
well... wait - I may be mixing up my test environments |
13:36 |
eeevil |
heh |
13:36 |
csharp |
it ran for about 20-25 mins, I think |
13:36 |
eeevil |
ok. that's not too bad |
13:36 |
csharp |
and that's on a legacy (underpowered) db server |
13:36 |
csharp |
old frankenweezie11, actually ;-) |
13:37 |
eeevil |
and in the worst case it handles the lack of that gracefully in the code, so you'd have one final slow overnight run before the effects are truly felt |
13:37 |
eeevil |
FRANKENWEEZIE!!!!!! |
13:37 |
csharp |
eeevil: yeah - they're still kicking ;-) |
13:38 |
* csharp |
may release bradl's tux doll on the day we retire those good old DL580G5s |
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13:42 |
bshum |
FREEDOM! |
13:47 |
csharp |
eeevil: yes, I can confirm that senator's patches are included |
13:55 |
csharp |
yeah - definite improvements - a hold that took 65 seconds in production takes 14 seconds on my test server |
13:56 |
csharp |
still a long time, www-wise, but way better |
13:57 |
eeevil |
csharp: you don't happen to have pre-2.5 timings for an equiv hold, do you? |
13:58 |
csharp |
eeevil: unfortunately not |
13:59 |
eeevil |
I'd honestly be very surprised if a 600+ copy hold was ever faster than the post-patch version |
14:03 |
csharp |
eeevil: yeah - probably not |
14:03 |
csharp |
you know how upgrades bring up old problems as if they're new ;-) |
14:03 |
eeevil |
csharp: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT |
14:04 |
eeevil |
csharp / bshum: pushing a rebased version of that with senator's commits embedded below mine in a moment |
14:04 |
csharp |
eeevil++ |
14:04 |
bshum |
eeevil: Cool, I'm testing out the differences between our test system (with senator's stuff + yours now) vs. production |
14:06 |
bshum |
10 seconds in test, ~28 in production |
14:06 |
bshum |
For one of the sample bibs giving some grief |
14:07 |
eeevil |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/miker/prox-calc-speedup_plus_aouas-speedup_rebased FTR |
14:09 |
csharp |
bshum: nice |
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14:32 |
mceraso |
dbwells: Tested 2.6 Beta Preview using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. Works just fine! |
14:33 |
dbwells |
mceraso++ # thanks again! |
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bshum |
csharp: You didn't add it to the bug, but I assume your signoff branch is official? |
15:42 |
bshum |
For holds |
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15:42 |
jeff |
dear apache: why aren't you starting? |
15:42 |
bshum |
jeff: It's probably because it's actually named apache2. |
15:42 |
berick |
@dunno search apache |
15:42 |
pinesol_green |
berick: 1 found: #4: "Try restarting apache." |
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jeff |
strace to the rescue |
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csharp |
bshum: got interrupted, yeah - was going to add that to the bug |
15:47 |
csharp |
done |
15:47 |
bshum |
csharp: All good, just making sure you get your name on there too. I'm probably going to edit the commit lines to include the LP # before I commit it. |
15:47 |
csharp |
bshum: good - thanks |
15:49 |
jeff |
well drat. running tpac on a non-standard port seems unsupported. |
15:49 |
* bshum |
wants to say there's an LP for that |
15:49 |
bshum |
But maybe I'm just dreaming ghostly LP bugs now. |
15:49 |
jeff |
i think there's one close. |
15:49 |
jeff |
tangent for now. |
15:53 |
bshum |
Calling 0869 |
15:54 |
bshum |
Well actually, before I do... eeevil, are you cutting a 2.4 maintenance release? (wondering about backports given that dbwells already cut 2.5.3) |
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jeff |
pondering possible wishlist bug: permit sorting list ("bookbag") html views by date added to list and/or position in list (which would need support for the "pos" column in container.biblio_record_entry_bucket_item) |
16:38 |
jeff |
might need an index on create_time and/or pos |
16:42 |
eeevil |
jeff: only for really big lists ... REALLY big |
16:42 |
eeevil |
like, 10k+ |
16:42 |
jeff |
oh, because the items being sorted would already be small and have been selected by an existing index. |
16:42 |
jeff |
handy, that. |
16:42 |
jeff |
logical, even! |
16:42 |
eeevil |
otherwise the "by bucket" index will be the index to use |
16:42 |
eeevil |
right |
16:43 |
jeff |
so my thought was to modify the QP driver to allow for a new sort_filter (which would be valid if and only if this was a container search) |
16:44 |
eeevil |
plus that table is soooo skinny, and sorting is on int's, which are just about as fast as you can do (faster than an index+heap lookup) |
16:44 |
eeevil |
well, we have a container-specific filter already |
16:44 |
eeevil |
could we add a parameter to that? |
16:45 |
eeevil |
hrm.. |
16:45 |
eeevil |
no |
16:45 |
eeevil |
you're right |
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eeevil |
jeff: you mean a new acceptable sort axis (like create_date, which is not dynamic) but is ignored when there's no container() filter in use at the top of the query? |
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jeff |
right. |
16:50 |
eeevil |
like: sort(container.pos) |
16:50 |
jeff |
something like: |
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jeff |
} elsif ($sort_filter eq 'bucket_item_create_date') { # XXX: Need to also ensure that this is a container search? |
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jeff |
$rank = "FIRST((SELECT create_date FROM container.biblio_record_entry_bucket_item cbrebi WHERE cbrebi.target_biblio_record_entry = m.source))"; |
16:50 |
jeff |
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jeff |
(completely untested stab) |
16:50 |
jeff |
er, i'd also need to select the bucket id -- oops. :-) |
16:50 |
eeevil |
ah, well, I think we've already joined container.biblio_record_entry_bucket_item in the main query |
16:51 |
jeff |
that too. i planned to revisit that after ensuring that i can actually do what i think i can do. |
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* eeevil |
is not looking at the code, mind |
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jeff |
QP newb here. |
16:52 |
jeff |
i can probably just set $rank to ci.create_date |
16:52 |
jeff |
(as well as ensure that i'm not trying to sort on that unless we're doing a container search) |
16:52 |
eeevil |
jeff: ah ... well, it's a subselect. we'll need to surface create_date and pos, it seems |
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16:54 |
eeevil |
I think we'll want more integration between flatten() and toSQL() WRT the container filter. the filter is handled by the former, sorting by the latter |
16:54 |
eeevil |
but I think it's totally doable |
16:56 |
jeff |
looks like i'd need to have the value of $filter_alias at the point where I'm setting $rank... |
16:57 |
eeevil |
jeff: it's not an exact conceptual match, but look at how $uses_bre (and friends) works ... something similar can be checked in the sorting if-block |
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16:57 |
eeevil |
well, the join needs to surface the pos and create_date columns, but after that it's just another if-branch where we're picking a sorter |
16:58 |
eeevil |
container join, I mean |
16:59 |
eeevil |
hrm... well, we'll still need a distinct-on (or surface the entry id and look up the sort col in a SELECT subquery, like the others) |
16:59 |
eeevil |
to avoid duplicated container entries |
16:59 |
eeevil |
anyway, it's very doable. |
16:59 |
eeevil |
jeff++ |
17:00 |
jeff |
i'll take a stab at create_date first and see how it goes. i'm going to need to digest a bit more of QP first. |
17:03 |
eeevil |
jeff: sounds good. if you find yourself adding more than, say, 10-15 lines of code, make sure you haven't wandered too far into the forest of fangorn |
17:05 |
jeff |
a good metric. |
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jeff |
# vim:et:ts=4:sw=4:fanghorn_ratio=.04 |
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gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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@quote add <jeff> # vim:et:ts=4:sw=4:fanghorn_ratio=.04 |
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pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #78 added. |
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