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jeff |
thought i saw a typo'd signoff by "Jason Stephensoh", but it was just dust on my display. |
| 00:24 |
bshum |
Heh |
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paxed |
i wonder if TT is smart enough to optimize it when blocks of TT code are right next to each other [% foo %][% bar %] |
| 02:06 |
rangi |
switch on compiled templates |
| 02:07 |
rangi |
then you can read the resulting perl and see :) |
| 02:08 |
rangi |
COMPILE_DIR and COMPILE_EXT and the 2 switches you want to pass to the new (you probably are already) |
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paxed |
lots of those in koha too. |
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_AnnetB |
Dear friends, I would like local administrator to be able to create, modify and delete local patrons only. Is this possible in EG 2.4 series? Thanks |
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paxed |
_AnnetB: the people who would know are asleep right now, try again later |
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_AnnetB |
paxed: I see, thanks for the tip :) |
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paxed |
most of them are in the US or Canada |
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krvmga |
we're implementing SMS in our opac at cwmars now |
| 10:07 |
krvmga |
one problem we're having is with the following line of code |
| 10:08 |
krvmga |
<a href="[% ctx.origin %]">[% l('Return to record') %]</a> |
| 10:09 |
krvmga |
somehow origin is picking up the sms message and just sending you to another display of it |
| 10:09 |
krvmga |
instead of the original record that you wanted to send yourself a text about |
| 10:10 |
* bshum |
points krvmga at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1175730 |
| 10:10 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1175730 in Evergreen 2.4 "SMS feature 'return to record' link broken after submit" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Low,Triaged] |
| 10:10 |
krvmga |
thx :) |
| 10:10 |
krvmga |
bshum++ |
| 10:10 |
bshum |
Which isn't marked as fix committed for earlier than 2.5, so unsure if it made it into any release for you. |
| 10:10 |
bshum |
Check on that, I've got to drive out to the office. |
| 10:11 |
bshum |
:) |
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* bshum |
disappears |
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* jeff |
looks into the possibility of generating a back-dated collectionhq extract |
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dbwells |
cnn.com headline: "Snow turns Atlanta into 'zombie movie'". Hope all you ESI and other folks down there are alright. |
| 12:40 |
jeffdavis |
I advise you not to seek shelter in your local mall. |
| 12:41 |
gdunbar |
we got all the ESI folks home except one. He's still stuck on the interstate but we're looking for shelter for him. |
| 12:41 |
gdunbar |
:-( |
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jeff |
gdunbar: yike. :-( |
| 12:45 |
dbs |
wow. /me crosses fingers for him |
| 12:46 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: "Maybe that's okay for now but someday you'll be out of food and guns"? |
| 12:47 |
jeffdavis |
Something like that. |
| 12:48 |
jeffdavis |
Sorry, I'm from Winnipeg - easy for me to forget the effect snowfall can have on places that aren't prepared for it. |
| 12:48 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Who needs guns? The best weapon against zombies is the "lobo." |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: jeffdavis was referencing a zombie movie cliche, i was referencing a jonathan coulton lyric. :-) |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: were you referencing world war z? |
| 12:52 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: "The book not that [movie] horse shit." <- Referencing a Dabney Coleman line in an otherwise forgettable Chevy Chase film. |
| 12:54 |
Dyrcona |
@xkcd 1321 |
| 12:54 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Leave me alone, I'm busy right now. |
| 12:55 |
Dyrcona |
I thought someone installed the xkcd plugin? |
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Dyrcona |
a propos the cold: http://xkcd.com/1321/ |
| 13:08 |
gdunbar |
Dyrcona++ |
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* berick |
loved the one from today |
| 13:10 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, today's was good, too. |
| 13:10 |
berick |
i was making mental notes of the actors and where they were as I read it.. played me like a fiddle. |
| 13:10 |
Dyrcona |
berick: It brought out your inner cryptonerd. |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm... |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
I find it suspicious when three people I know are relatively close geographically disappear from IRC at the same moment. |
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gdunbar |
The last ESI employee is finally home safe after a 24 hour commute. |
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jeff |
gdunbar: hooray! |
| 13:30 |
gdunbar |
jeff: Whew. I hope all the GPLS folks made it home okay, too. |
| 13:33 |
jeff |
up here in northern michigan the kids are on their fourth snowday in a row. they haven't been in class since Thursday. |
| 13:43 |
gdunbar |
and we thought we were overreacting here.... |
| 13:43 |
kmlussier |
gdunbar: I think they have a little more snow in MI than in GA. ;) |
| 13:44 |
gdunbar |
I think they have a few more snow plows, too |
| 13:45 |
kmlussier |
jeff: I imagine the kids will be very unhappy when the end of June rolls around and they're still in school. |
| 13:48 |
jeff |
as of Saturday, our snowfall total for the season was 142". higher than last season, but i'm sure others in channel have had more. |
| 13:49 |
jeff |
mostly the past few days it's been the windchill keeping the schools closed, but a bit of impassable roads also. |
| 13:49 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff: It felt like we had more here, but that's only because there are apparently only 3 plows in all of Marion Co. :/ |
| 13:49 |
jeff |
it's all relative, though. three inches of snow in atlanta is probably similar to several times that here. nice to hear that you have more equipment now than in 2011, though. :-) |
| 13:52 |
csharp |
gdunbar: many GPLS folks stayed home anyway - I made it home by 1:45 after picking up my daughter from school |
| 13:52 |
csharp |
sorry to hear about the ESI person - that would be total hell |
| 13:53 |
gdunbar |
csharp: glad to hear y'all are okay. |
| 13:59 |
ningalls |
Georgia traffic is bad enough without snow. I can only imagine. |
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hbrennan |
Reports wizards: Can we run something to say "Change everything with THIS location to THIS location"? |
| 15:51 |
hbrennan |
We have two music shelving locations, and we only need/want one |
| 15:52 |
hbrennan |
The goal being the report actually changes the location, not just produces a list |
| 15:54 |
dbwells |
I am not aware of reports being able to do updates to the database. |
| 15:54 |
hbrennan |
I didn't think so |
| 15:54 |
hbrennan |
but using SQL could? |
| 15:54 |
eeevil |
hbrennan: certainly |
| 15:54 |
hbrennan |
Is that why everyone loves it? |
| 15:54 |
dbwells |
If you have any access to the DB directly, it would be very easy. |
| 15:54 |
hbrennan |
ahhhh I need to learn SQL asap |
| 15:55 |
eeevil |
update asset.copy set location = X where location = Y and not deleted; -- maybe you don't need the "not deleted" clause |
| 15:55 |
mmorgan |
hbrennan: you could use a report to get the barcodes, put them in a text file, then upload them to item status and update the batch there. |
| 15:55 |
mmorgan |
as long as there aren't too many |
| 15:56 |
eeevil |
mmorgan: indeed! |
| 15:56 |
hbrennan |
mmorgan++ |
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dbwells |
hbrennan: Also, 'X' and 'Y' in the example code would be the location IDs, not their names. |
| 15:56 |
hbrennan |
that's what my coworker is furiously doing next door |
| 15:56 |
hbrennan |
lots of keyboard pounding |
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hbrennan |
Oh, awesome. dbwells++ and same to eeevil++ |
| 15:57 |
dbwells |
Not sure if they show up in the client, but you can see the IDs by selecting from the asset.copy_location table, e.g. select * from asset.copy_location; |
| 15:57 |
hbrennan |
I have limited database access |
| 15:58 |
hbrennan |
still fighting for that |
| 15:58 |
hbrennan |
I'm hoping when I pass the first half of CCNA our IT guy will have faith in me |
| 15:59 |
mmorgan |
sql is very useful and powerful, but doing updates in the client is a lot safer |
| 15:59 |
mmorgan |
I still feel nervous doing sql updates |
| 15:59 |
hbrennan |
Yeah, it seems way too powerful |
| 16:00 |
hbrennan |
I am still nervous using Cisco simulator |
| 16:00 |
hbrennan |
but it's good to be nervous, right? |
| 16:00 |
hbrennan |
I can't wait for the session at the conference though |
| 16:01 |
hbrennan |
and Git |
| 16:01 |
hbrennan |
ready to get my geek on |
| 16:01 |
mmorgan |
hbrennan++ |
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bshum |
hbrennan++ |
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csharp |
hbrennan: here's a dead-simple beginner's guide to git (possibly NSFW language here and there, jfyi): http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/ |
| 16:57 |
hbrennan |
csharp: Thanks! |
| 16:58 |
hbrennan |
I found this to be helpful (http://tom.preston-werner.com/2009/05/19/the-git-parable.html), but most of the other resources have started off too quickly |
| 16:58 |
hbrennan |
I need to stop saying thanks and start plus-ing csharp++ |
| 16:58 |
csharp |
hbrennan: you're welcome ;-) |
| 16:58 |
csharp |
hbrennan++ |
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csharp |
@karma |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Highest karma: "dbs" (797), "bshum" (650), and "tsbere" (572). Lowest karma: "ie" (-51), "^" (-27), and "----------------------------------" (-18). You (csharp) are ranked 10 out of 2123. |
| 16:59 |
csharp |
ie-- |
| 16:59 |
hbrennan |
I think I'm going for the best karma points without actually doing anything |
| 17:00 |
hbrennan |
I enjoy any resource with curse words |
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Dyrcona |
If renewal is mostly just a checkin and then checkout, why have all these extra checks just for renewing? |
| 18:46 |
Dyrcona |
We end up running those, then the checkin tests, and then essentially the same checks for the checkout. |
| 18:46 |
dcook |
I'm not an Evergreen person, but I imagine there are extra rules for renewing? |
| 18:47 |
dcook |
Like only being able to renew certain types of items, only renewing if there are no other holds, etc. |
| 18:48 |
Dyrcona |
dcook: I'm going through the circ code, and I am an "Evergreen person." |
| 18:48 |
Dyrcona |
There are slightly different checks for renewals, but virtually all of the tests get run again. |
| 18:49 |
dcook |
In that case, no idea, but sounds like a valid question :) |
| 18:49 |
Dyrcona |
I'm tempted to remove the database check for the status not being equal to 1 on a renewal. |
| 18:54 |
Dyrcona |
I also don't like how the same events come up three times in my log before we actually hit a bail statement. |
| 18:54 |
Dyrcona |
You'd think if we're bothering to generate the events, we'd check them and die right away. |
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Dyrcona |
All of this means that the copy's status is being checked and rechecked and checked again with different event generated in different places: COPY_NOT_AVAILABLE and COPY_STATUS_LOST in this case. |
| 18:58 |
Dyrcona |
If I wish to introduce a permission-based check to override this, I have to add the checks for the permissions in all of the multiple places the checks occur. |
| 18:59 |
Dyrcona |
I also rather naively based the permissions on the stop fines values from action.circulation, so I'm now I'm slightly stumped at the approach to take with the status of the copy. |
| 19:00 |
Dyrcona |
Pardon me. This is mostly thinking "out loud" at this point. |
| 19:01 |
Dyrcona |
The other problem, is the renew (and checkout tests) return COPY_NOT_AVAILABLE regardless of the copy's status. |
| 19:01 |
hbrennan |
I'm "listening" to ya, Dyrcona. :) |
| 19:02 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 19:02 |
Dyrcona |
That means I have to check the copy's status yet again rather than relying on the return code from the database check. |
| 19:03 |
Dyrcona |
hbrennan: You will be getting a fine Evergreener as director of the Alaska Library Network. (I did remember correctly that you are from Alaska?) |
| 19:05 |
Dyrcona |
The logs are usually so empty when it is night on the US east coast. I might as well give the bots something to do. :) |
| 19:05 |
hbrennan |
yup |
| 19:05 |
hbrennan |
Homer |
| 19:05 |
hbrennan |
Oh wait, so the person replacing Nina? |
| 19:05 |
hbrennan |
Is an Evergreener? |
| 19:05 |
hbrennan |
That would be super |
| 19:06 |
hbrennan |
Yes, I like to come here and ask questions at night when no one is around |
| 19:06 |
hbrennan |
Except for bshum and gmcharlt, who are always here |
| 19:07 |
* gmcharlt |
raises head |
| 19:08 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, Tracy Swaim from MVLC is going back to Alaska. |
| 19:08 |
hbrennan |
ohh, MVLC. I like everyone I've "met" from there so far |
| 19:08 |
Dyrcona |
He says it will be the same office he left ten years ago, but a different position. |
| 19:09 |
Dyrcona |
So, my thinking in the channel has helped. |
| 19:09 |
Dyrcona |
I figured out roughly what I need to do. |
| 19:09 |
Dyrcona |
Now, I just need to find the three or four places it needs to be done. |
| 19:09 |
hbrennan |
That's awesome. That position is the middleman between Overdrive and the libraries connected to ListenAlaska, our e-book/audio/music collection |
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Dyrcona |
hbrennan: Yeah. He has a good deal of experience working with Overdrive and some of the others. |
| 19:10 |
Dyrcona |
That was a big part of his position here. |
| 19:10 |
Dyrcona |
He'll be missed. |
| 19:11 |
hbrennan |
That's extra awesome. I was talking to my director yesterday about trying to get a deal on Zinio, for digital magazine subscriptions.. ideally we'd like to set it up as a consortium. |
| 19:12 |
hbrennan |
We were both bummed to hear that there would be a few months lapse between positions, so that idea is on hold |
| 19:12 |
hbrennan |
But now I already have a connection to him! |
| 19:12 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 19:13 |
Dyrcona |
I guess moving to Alaska doesn't happen over night. :) |
| 19:13 |
hbrennan |
Unless you suddenly get a fishing job offer :) |
| 19:13 |
hbrennan |
AK's so big, I'd take me forever to learn who the new person was... so thanks for making the state (and country) feel smaller |
| 19:19 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 19:19 |
Dyrcona |
Back to my babbling.... |
| 19:19 |
hbrennan |
go for it |
| 19:20 |
dbs |
Hey, I'm around a lot of the time! I'm just quiet. |
| 19:20 |
Dyrcona |
After doing the first renew check and pushing the COPY_NOT_AVAILABLE event, we go right into checkin. |
| 19:20 |
* Dyrcona |
used a global search and replace to print the subroutine names as they are called. |
| 19:22 |
Dyrcona |
In checkin, we push a COPY_STATUS_LOST, check bail_out (which hasn't been set), and then keep right on going. |
| 19:24 |
Dyrcona |
neato: We call checkin_handle_lost_or_lo_now_found twice in a row. I have to find out why. |
| 19:25 |
Dyrcona |
We get through checkin and push a SUCCESS event! So, we have 3 failures (this patron also owes too many fines, but I was ignoring that) and 1 success. |
| 19:26 |
Dyrcona |
Then, we do the indb circ tests again, but I don't think we've made it to checkout, yet. |
| 19:37 |
Dyrcona |
So, I should probably add a new function to be called from do_permit that checks for my particular conditions and permissions. |
| 19:39 |
Dyrcona |
Since this isn't a case of override permissions.... Err, wait.... |
| 19:40 |
* Dyrcona |
mulls the impact of override permissions. |
| 19:42 |
Dyrcona |
I guess it depends on what happens if we checkout something that was lost. |
| 19:43 |
Dyrcona |
Does the code checkin the previous circulation? (I doubt it.) |
| 19:44 |
Dyrcona |
Part of the reason for putting this here is if anyone has any ideas, they can chime in. |
| 19:45 |
Dyrcona |
I don't think we'd want to just override COPY_STATUS_LOST on a checkout. |
| 19:45 |
Dyrcona |
On a renewal, however, it makes sense if that is your policy. |
| 19:45 |
Dyrcona |
So, simple override permissions are out. |
| 19:46 |
hbrennan |
I agree. Don't want to override lost status going out |
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* Dyrcona |
takes a break for food. |
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