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09:34 csharp since we moved to 2.5, we're seeing our report outputs being sorted alphabetically rather than by run time descending as before (and as described in bug 1050432) - any ideas about how to troubleshoot that?
09:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1050432 in Evergreen "Wish List: Alphabetization of report templates" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050432
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09:38 Dyrcona Oof... Time to leave G+....It's starting to smell like Facebook, i.e. smell like stupid.
09:41 dbs The stupids, they find you wherever you go
09:41 Dyrcona csharp: It's not a trouble since it was requested in that bug. I'd say revert the commits introduced in that branch and you'll probably be all set.
09:41 Dyrcona dbs++
09:42 Dyrcona In this particular case, it is someone freaking out about bubonic plague.
09:43 * Dyrcona wonders if Bmagic and hopkinsju got their holds sorted out last night?
09:43 jeff csharp: yeah, what Dyrcona said -- the alpha-sort is new wanted (by some) behavior. I might have voiced objection if we still used reports.
09:43 dbs Uncircle!
09:44 jeff (which i suppose is a bad attitude for me to have -- distilled to "we don't use it so i don't care" it sounds bad. :P)
09:44 Dyrcona dbs: This person appear to be a follower of another person I follow.
09:45 csharp I was looking at bshum's comment here, which appears to indicate that the outputs should be sorted by date run descending: https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/1050432/comments/3
09:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1050432 in Evergreen "Wish List: Alphabetization of report templates" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Wishlist,Fix released]
09:45 kmlussier csharp: Yes, I read that comment the same way.
09:46 jeff @later tell yboston this is the kind of unpolished-but-detailed input i was seeking advice on from DIG: http://goo.gl/nEc5gU
09:46 pinesol_green jeff: The operation succeeded.
09:46 Dyrcona jeff: I take that attitude all the time.
09:46 jeff "Standing Penalties in Depth" http://goo.gl/nEc5gU is pretty much me just typing into a document while code reading as I was attempting to solve some problems / gain better understanding of behavior / internals.
09:47 csharp actually, I'm fine reverting commits, but we *would* like the template/report/output folders to sort alphabetically, just not the templates/reports/outputs themselves
09:47 Dyrcona csharp: Sounds like a new code branch, more options, and then you can sort anyway you like!
09:48 kmlussier csharp: I'm looking in master, and the ouput is sorting by runtime. It doesn't help you troubleshoot, but confirms that what you're seeing isn't expected behavior.
09:48 dbwells csharp: I am also seeing runtime sorting for outputs on 2.5.
09:48 jeff I suppose it works well as a wiki page, and with some additional effort could become official documentation, but 1) it goes a bit far in terms of specificity (calling out specific internal perl subs) and 2) it needs lots of polishing :-)
09:48 Dyrcona And, Drycona stabs another fork of complexity into the horse carcass, 'cause it ain't done until every line of code has 6 knobs to tweak its behavior!
09:50 * dbwells pictures Drycona and Dyrcona's slightly corrupted evil clone
09:51 Dyrcona Evil clone? What evil clone? *grins maniacally*
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09:52 * dbs adds a commit to fix sorting by automatically prepending more and more "AAAAAAA"s
09:52 jeff report_sort_key
09:53 csharp dbs++
09:53 csharp thanks for everyone's feedback - I'll keep poking
09:54 * Dyrcona adds permissions to allow the user to sort reports, otherwise they come out in a pseudorandom ordered seeded by the number of nanoseconds since the latest checkin.
09:54 Dyrcona And, done!
09:54 dbwells $report_name = "A" x epoch() . $report_name;
09:55 Dyrcona dbwells++ # Now, that is diabolical!
09:55 jeff dbwells++
09:55 jeff dbs++
09:55 jeff Dyrcona++
09:55 jeff praise absurdity.
09:56 csharp @praise absurdity
09:56 * pinesol_green absurdity can run a report without assistance
09:56 csharp pinesol_green++
09:58 jeff there is a panda and a hippo reading my google doc.
09:58 jeff (speaking of absurdity)
09:59 Dyrcona It would be kind of funny to send an email to someone with an attachment with S/MIME heads that was just A X time(). Might give the NSA fits trying to figure out this new crypto scheme. :)
10:00 Dyrcona jeff: I only see you and the anonymous panda.
10:00 dbwells Dyrcona: you're the hippo!
10:00 jeff Dyrcona: as they say in poker, if you look around the google doc and you can't pick out the hippo, then it's you.
10:01 phasefx_ I see jeff and a buffalo
10:01 jeff the hippo is gone. phasefx_ is the panda.
10:01 Dyrcona Now, there's a gopher.
10:01 phasefx_ now I see a gopher and an auroch
10:02 dbwells Sweet, I must be the gopher, I guess.
10:02 jeff thanks to google AdWords for Docs, I'm making a mint off of this silly conversation!
10:02 Dyrcona jeff: The viral marketing ploy is working. There are more animals reading your document than before.
10:02 jeff but anyway, I'd be interested in thoughts on how best to share this kind of ascii brain-dump, or if it's even worth sharing.
10:03 dbs You won't believe this one weird trick for turning hippos into pandas!
10:03 jeff until i came across and shared it this morning, i've been the only one with access since i created it in october.
10:03 Dyrcona dbs++
10:03 jeff dbs++
10:04 Dyrcona jeff: Google Docs/Drive seems like a good enough place to share these things.
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10:06 Dyrcona Ooh.
10:06 jeff ?
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10:06 Dyrcona Four lines down from, and inside of elsif( $check_expire) {
10:07 Dyrcona $check_expire ||= '12h';
10:07 jeff heh
10:07 dbs Ah, legacy code
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10:28 krvmga i'm experimenting with using multiple keywords for searches in my kpac configuration but i'm running into a problem. keyword:princess works fine but keyword:princess&&keyword:disney does not. Any thoughts?
10:29 krvmga the line in the config file reads as follows
10:30 krvmga <cell name="Disney Princesses"  img="category.png" type="search">keyword:princess&​amp;&amp;keyword:disney</cell>
10:31 Dyrcona @later tell Bmagic If you want to see what the hold targeter is really doing, have a look at sub new_hold_copy_targeter in OpenILS/Application/Storage/Publisher/action.pm
10:31 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
10:31 krvmga i used &amp; instead of & because & by itself caused a 500 error
10:32 Dyrcona krvmga: Right. XML entities and all that. I don't have an answer for you, though.
10:33 krvmga i'll get it sooner or later. i can usually beat these things into submission. i thought i'd ask before i thumped on it any further.
10:33 dbwells krvmga: Did you try simply adding spaces around the '&&' operator?
10:34 Dyrcona Yeah, I was about to suggest spaces or only 1 &amp;....
10:36 dbwells Not sure you really need the operator at all...
10:37 krvmga ok, here's what worked: && with spaces = 500 error; &amp;&amp; with spaces = he shoots, he scores!
10:38 jcamins לרהצעש:  ׳ןךך ומגקרדאשמג ןא ׳ןאיםוא איק ₪₪ץ
10:38 jcamins Ummm... that was supposed to be in the Latin alphabet.
10:38 dbwells Only in an academic library: search for 'disney princess' in our catalog returns 'Tangled', 'The Little mermaid', and 'The sexualization of childhood'
10:38 csharp dbwells: heh
10:39 krvmga since i know hebrew...no wonder i got confused there
10:39 jcamins What I meant was "krvmga: QP will understand the query without the &&."
10:39 krvmga jcamins: i'll give it a try.
10:39 jcamins I forgot to change my keyboard, and connection lag meant that I didn't see what I had typed until after hitting enter.
10:40 csharp @locale he
10:40 pinesol_green csharp: Fire BAD! Reading GOOD!
10:40 krvmga dbwells: obviously not filtered to the juvenile collection
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10:51 csharp @weather 30345
10:51 pinesol_green csharp: The current temperature in Storybook Estates, Decatur, Georgia is 30.7°F (10:51 AM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).  Winter Storm Warning in effect until 7 am EST Wednesday...
10:53 _bott_ @weather 49503
10:53 pinesol_green _bott_: The current temperature in Near Lake Michigan Dr and Collindale, Grand Rapids, Michigan is 8.4°F (10:53 AM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: -0.4°F. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Steady).  Wind chill warning in effect until 7 am EST Wednesday...
10:53 _bott_ Ooo, already 10 degrees warmer than when I left the house today.
10:55 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
10:55 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 14.5°F (10:37 AM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -2.2°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
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11:40 ldwhalen It looks like we are missing the public. normalizing functions like public.content_or_null in our config.index_normalizer table.
11:41 ldwhalen I am trying to figure out which file in the sql/ directory they get added to the table, but I cannot track it down. Does anyone know the file name?
11:42 csharp ldwhalen: looks like Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/002.schema.config.sql ?
11:43 eeevil ldwhalen: they may be in the evergreen schema. if so, assuming proper search_path for the db, PG should find them fine, unqualified. if you're logging in as a user other than evergreen and haven't set the db's search_path, you will have trouble finding them (assuming they are, indeed, in the evergreen schema)
11:43 csharp ldwhalen: have you verified that the DB user's search path inlcudes public?
11:43 ldwhalen csharp: That creates them in the database, but it does not add them to the config.index_normalizer table
11:44 csharp er... what eeevil said ;-)
11:45 ldwhalen the biblio.indeing_or_delete needs them to be in config.index_normalizer from what I can tell.  Am I wrong?
11:45 ldwhalen *biblio.indexing_ingest_or_delete
11:45 eeevil you're correct
11:46 ldwhalen So, they are not added by default, I need to add them explicitly?
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11:48 dbs ldwhalen: you probably pg_restore'd this database?
11:48 ldwhalen dbs: yes
11:48 dbs We had a big discussion about this on IRC last week IIRC
11:48 ldwhalen dbs: thanks I will look it up
11:49 ldwhalen although I just checked and they are not in our production database either.  Although, it may have been pg_restored  at some point. I will find out.
11:49 eeevil ldwhalen: so, yes, it looks like you're correct
11:50 eeevil the seed data, in master, does not add content_or_null to config.index_normalizer
11:50 * eeevil wonders if it did in the past, and if so, how did that go away...
11:51 dbs yikes.
11:51 ldwhalen eeevil: I think it leaves out all of the public. normalizers
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11:53 eeevil looks like it never did ...
11:54 eeevil ldwhalen: that's purely an oversight, there's no reason to not add them (especially since we attempt to make use of them). I suspect a big fat me-- for not propagating testing env changes to the seed and upgrade scripts
11:55 ldwhalen eeevil: If I add them is there anything in config.index_normalizer that needs a specific value other than config.index_normalizer.func?
11:56 eeevil ldwhalen: depends on the function ... if it takes parameters /beyond/ the input text, the number of them must be recorded in param_count
11:56 eeevil for that one, it's 0
11:57 eeevil where "that one" == content_or_null
11:57 ldwhalen eeevil: But, name and description are descriptive not functional?
11:57 eeevil correct
11:57 ldwhalen eeevil: ok, thanks for the information.
11:58 eeevil np! ... least I can do for not registering them to begin with :P
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12:04 plux have a fresh install of 2.5.2 with sample data loaded..... everything fine except the staff client is looking for *custom* files in the server staff client build that aren't there.... i
12:04 plux e.g. File does not exist: /openils/var/web/xul/rel_2_5_2/server​/locale/en-US/auth_custom.properties
12:05 dbs plux: harmless errors
12:06 dbs you can "touch" them if you want to make them go away
12:06 Bmagic Dyrcona: Thanks for the info. We have not resolved the issue and I keep coming up with more questions. I will review that code and see what I can see. Right now, I have expanded the query to show me holds that have not had the prev check time updated in the last 24 hours that have items available for the bib, [113 rows]
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12:17 Dyrcona Bmagic: Good luck.
12:40 Bmagic What is the criteria of a row in action.hold_request for it to show on the "Pull list" current_copy!=null and..... ?
12:42 tsbere capture_time null, cancel_time null, fulfillment_time null, copy owning library = workstation OU, copy in status 0 or 7 I believe it is....
12:42 phasefx_ though I think one of the pull lists is slightly off in that regard (didn't consider copy status), or was. may have been fixed
12:42 tsbere oh, wait, copy *circ* lib, not owning lib...
12:43 * tsbere gets that confused as almost every MVLC copy has owning lib = circ lib
12:43 Bmagic tsbere: I get those mixed up as well
12:51 eeevil Rule of thumb for circ vs owning lib: when we care about where the item is on a shelf /now/ (if it's on a shelf) because we need to retrieve it, we use copy.circ_lib. if we care about who owns the item, and could take it back from copy.circ_lib, because we want to know who controls it in policy, etc, we use copy.call_number.owning_lib
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13:09 Bmagic does this result in anything for anyone?
13:09 Bmagic select aou.shortname,ahr.id,ahr.capture_ti​me,ahr.prev_check_time,ahr.target, ahr.current_copy, ahr.request_lib,ahr.pickup_lib,ahr.usr from action.hold_request ahr, asset.call_number acn, asset.copy ac, actor.org_unit aou
13:09 Bmagic where
13:09 Bmagic ahr.target=acn.record and
13:09 Bmagic ac.call_number=acn.id and
13:09 Bmagic ac.status=0 and
13:09 Bmagic aou.id=ahr.pickup_lib and
13:09 Bmagic ahr.capture_time is null and
13:10 Bmagic ahr.fulfillment_time is null and
13:10 Bmagic ahr.cancel_time is null and
13:10 Bmagic ahr.current_copy is null and
13:10 Bmagic prev_check_time < '1-26-2014'
13:10 Bmagic order by id
13:10 Bmagic oops, bad paste sorry, I'm not sure I like this client
13:10 jeff Bmagic: gist.github.com or paste.evergreen-ils.org are your friend when it comes to pasting large quantities of text in here.
13:11 Dyrcona You run the risk of being booted by the IRC network for flooding if you paste directly into the channel.
13:11 Bmagic jeff: yeah but this client automatically put my \r\n as new submits, when it could have easily been one single post
13:11 Bmagic sorry everyone
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13:13 jeff and yes, it appears i have about seven holds matching that query. 14 rows output total.
13:14 Bmagic jeff: interesting: I have 91, and it seems to me that these should have a current copy assigned. Am I wrong?
13:14 jeff all are title holds.
13:17 jeff four of the holds are on deleted bibs.
13:17 jeff and the remaining holds are frozen.
13:17 Bmagic ah, I should alter the query a bit then
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13:19 Bmagic not acn.deleted and not ahr.frozen  =  Still getting 91 rows, and I guess in your case, you will get none
13:20 jeff zero here.
13:20 jeff but i've a new reminder to clean up after some old holds on deleted items dating back to before UI and/or process tried to prevent that -- so thanks. :-)
13:20 Bmagic :)
13:21 Bmagic I can't seem to get the hold targeter to assign a current copy to these when there is clearly an available copy
13:21 Bmagic I wonder if the selection_ou has anything to do with it. What role does the selection_ou play here?
13:25 jeff selection_ou combined with selection_depth will have an impact on what copies are considered eligible, yes.
13:30 Bmagic In all of these cases, the selection_ou is assigned to the parent of the pickup_lib
13:31 Dyrcona As tsbere mentioned yesterday, ours typically have the selection_ou equal to the pickup_lib.
13:32 tsbere Or the request_lib, but it is occasionally neither...
13:32 Bmagic I am going to expierement on 1 row and flip the selection_ou = pickup_lib and see what happens
13:32 tsbere Bmagic: Note that the hold targeter won't assign a copy that is already on another non-filled non-canceled non-frozen hold
13:33 Bmagic tsbere: I thought of that too, the query does not watch out for that but under close inspection, these should be getting targeted
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14:15 eeevil @weather 30101
14:15 pinesol_green eeevil: The current temperature in Cedarcrest Road, Acworth, Georgia is 21.0°F (2:15 PM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).  Winter Storm Warning in effect until 7 am EST Wednesday...
14:16 eeevil solid inch of snow on the roads, and a good 4' of car in the ditches... ;)
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14:19 dbwells That's funny, at my house we have 4' of snow in the ditch, and I can still see a solid inch of my car stuck in there.
14:22 * dbwells wishes he were exaggerating more than he is :(
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14:30 paxed why is your car in the ditch?
14:31 dbwells cause I couldn't find my driveway :)
14:32 paxed ow.
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14:37 dbwells Don't worry, I exaggerate.  It is mostly in the driveway and only partially in the ditch, but it is unfortunately quite stuck.
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14:49 ldwhalen eeevil: I have added a normalize bug to launchpad along with my working branch for the sql file to add the functions.
14:49 ldwhalen https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1273820
14:49 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1273820 in Evergreen "Public schema normalizing functions are missing from config.index_normalizer" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Liam Whalen (whalen-ld)
14:51 eeevil ldwhalen: hrm... I think pronargs is wrong. the number of args will be that minus 1, because we're counting args beyond the assumed input text. (it's the number of user-supplied args per mapping to drive the function beyond the system-supplied input)
14:51 ldwhalen eeevil: Right, thank you.  I'll fix it up along with the indentation
14:52 eeevil and, while it's not critical for the update script, we'd want i18n markers for the seed data version
14:52 eeevil however,
14:52 eeevil ldwhalen++
14:54 ldwhalen eeevil: Should I add these changes to the seed file and modify the logic there to get values from pg_proc?
14:58 dbs got bit by 1200770 today. that was not fun.
14:59 dbs bug 1200770 that is, pinesol_green
14:59 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1200770 in Evergreen 2.4 "Search result rendering can crush the system" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200770
15:00 dbwells dbs: Does the bug still live, or was this on an older version?
15:02 dbs this was an older 2.4 version; fix came along after I had gone on sabbatical and was trying not to be intimately involved
15:02 * dbs curses the simultaneous searches for "a", "the", "the." and "history" that drove postgresql connections through the roof
15:05 * dbwells nods
15:28 jboyer-isl Has anyone had any trouble with the MARC Import Remove Fields (Import Bib Trash Fields) function in Evergreen (especially 2.5.2?) I don't think there's an LP bug about it, but as far as I can see the client interface doesn't function at all. (just dumps an "unhandled exception: Transaction begin error" from dojo/openils/PermaCrud.js)
15:29 jboyer-isl Before filing anything I wanted to see if it was only a local issue.
15:29 jeff are other similar interfaces behaving the same? can you use the circulation policy editor, for example?
15:30 jeff it's a rather vague error, but I believe we've run across similar in the distant past when there was an ejabberd domain issue preventing cross-server communication.
15:30 jboyer-isl Well, there's something. Nope.
15:31 jboyer-isl I've looked in our logs and come up with a whole lot of nothing, but I'll take a closer look at the jabber stuff.
15:34 jeff check route_subdomains in ejabberd.cfg -- i'm guessing it's set to local and think you might have luck with s2s.
15:35 jeff doh't make production changes during business hours based on my hunch, though. :-)
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15:39 jeff and much credit to berick and eeevil (and others?) for their help on that a few years ago. :-)
15:39 jeff jboyer-isl: i'll be interested in what your eventual resolution is, if you care to follow up.
15:41 * berick notes that w/ websockets (and no translator) we can remove the x-domain jabber requirement / brick cross-talk
15:41 jboyer-isl I can smack it with a hammer whenever, it's just on our test instance. :) Thanks for the pointers, if I can get it going I'll be back to grouse/brag, heh.
15:41 eeevil ldwhalen: the seed file should really just insert the proc name (no schema), no need to check pg_proc. see related ones for isbn and replace normalizers.  the the upgrade file could check pg_proc to avoid double insertion, I suppose
15:44 eeevil berick: or, at least not depend on it for staff client interaction ... still nice for simple HTTP clients with transactional requirements :)
15:47 eeevil ldwhalen: or just check that it's not there already with a CTE, or blindly insert outside any explicit transaction
15:49 ldwhalen eeevil: Is it worth while adding the param_count from pg_proc?
15:50 eeevil you need the param_count when it's not 0. I'd suggest just setting it to what it should be. I wouldn't involve pg_proc at all. IMO, just look at the definition of the proc, count the params requested, and subtract 1
15:53 jboyer-isl jeff: route_subdomains was commented out on both test bricks, but setting it to s2s doesn't seem to have been the whole fix. I could/should check the other service machines, but these bricks should be talking straight to the db without too much bouncing around.
15:58 eeevil jboyer-isl: can the other domains find each other via dns or /etc/hosts? (IOW, is ejabberd listening on all IPs, and are the foreign IPs named something they would recognized)
16:01 tsbere jboyer-isl: I would also check for local firewalling - If the server(s) aren't allowing incoming traffic on the S2S port the rest of the proper config won't help....and are your different bricks using different ejabberd domains for that matter?
16:03 jboyer-isl the machines appear to be able to find each other by name, I don't believe there's a firewall running (they're off on a private 10. network) and they are all using individual private.name.evergreen.lib.in.us and public.evergreen...., and localhost domains.
16:03 jboyer-isl I'll admit I'm not certain what stanza controls the IPs that ejabberd listens on, though.
16:04 tsbere jboyer-isl: I have run into "oh, crap, the os distribution gave me a crappy default firewall config!" way too many times. >_>
16:06 berick eeevil: re: clients w/ transactional requirements...  hmm, i wonder.  i bet by the time removing the translator is an option, writing a (e.g. Perl) WS client will be easier than writing a translator client
16:07 berick since the translator has lots of custom headers and uses the multipart/mixed stuff
16:08 berick (and to my knowledge, no one has written such a client)
16:08 berick but they certainly could have
16:12 jboyer-isl tsbere: all good there. the Precise defaults for iptables are wide open.
16:14 eeevil berick: agreed ... I was really just thinking of xdr JS clients, though I don't know if that's strictly possible right now, and since only older MOZ supports multipart/mixed-replace, it's probably never going to be worth worrying about
16:15 * dbs does a bit of a double-take at "Bill Erickson moved some example seed data out of the base install and into a sample data set."
16:16 * eeevil goes to look more closely and make sure he didn't lie...
16:17 dbs berick does _tons_ of stuff that deserves credit, and I certainly appreciate his testing & signing off
16:17 eeevil I did lie. dbs, my apologies
16:17 * eeevil updates
16:21 dbs thanks eeevil
16:22 eeevil dbs: thanks for bringing that to my attention
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17:14 jeff @seen sal
17:14 pinesol_green jeff: I have not seen sal.
17:14 jeff @seen sal_
17:14 pinesol_green jeff: sal_ was last seen in #evergreen 11 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <sal_> jeff:similarly, can renew rental items using 11 + BOY.  (Can understand why 29 might not work, but it shouldn't drop the SIP connection :-( )   I'll check in again tomorrow--gotta scoot.  Thanks!
17:14 jeff hrm.
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21:31 jeff i had almost zero memory of bug 1257264
21:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1257264 in OpenSRF 2.2 "JSON::XS 3.0 changes the way booleans are represented" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257264
21:31 jeff insomnia+-
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