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csharp |
wow - apparently the magic number of parallel hold targeter processes for PINES is 3 |
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csharp |
holds were taking 24+ hours to process, and now I'm seeing the targeter finish within 10 minutes |
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csharp |
it has been so long since it worked that quickly that I immediately assumed something was seriously wrong |
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csharp |
but I've been actively monitoring the last 3 runs and all looks well |
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csharp |
and there's already a helpdesk ticket from a confused library staffer that I think is the result of hold targeting working as expected :-) |
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csharp |
@monologue |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long. |
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csharp |
O, that this too too solid flesh would melt |
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kmlussier |
csharp: What version is PINES on now? 2.3 or 2.4? |
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csharp |
2.3.6 |
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berick |
csharp: i hate to be pessimistic, but 24hrs to 10 minutes seems a wee bit unrealistic :( |
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csharp |
berick: I think it was that the previous check time meant that all holds needed retargeting at every run |
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csharp |
so it would take 24 *more* hours |
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csharp |
now that the extra process has cleared the backlog, it's working as expected |
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csharp |
at least that's my working theory ;-) |
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berick |
i see, so how long was the first run w/ 3 parallel? |
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csharp |
5 hours |
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berick |
alright, that sounds about right |
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berick |
that makes sense |
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eeevil |
aye. you can get that backed up |
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* csharp |
*whew* ;-) |
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eeevil |
which is why I created, and gmcharlt improved, the parallel targeter :) |
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csharp |
eeevil++ gmcharlt++ |
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berick |
*group hug* |
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csharp |
awww |
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paxed |
the lp bug search actually works sometimes. found wishlist bug 1047648 when i went to file one |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1047648 in Evergreen "Hold Fee" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047648 |
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kmlussier |
remingtron++ for general good deeds. |
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kmlussier |
@hate launchpad search |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: But kmlussier already hates launchpad search! |
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kmlussier |
Indeed I do. |
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csharp |
@hates |
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pinesol_green |
csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; and the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed (1 more message) |
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csharp |
@more |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more |
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bshum |
@hates |
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pinesol_green |
bshum hates metarecord holds; acquisitions; questions about acquisitions; z39.50; acq; notices; action triggers; marc_export; hold pull lists; drupal; holds; RDA; edi; parts holds; kpac; SIP; parts; marc; RAID; Launchpad; edi troubleshooting; reports; serials; apostrophes in search; server power failures; zimbra; office printer; weird barcodes; PO JEDI; B&T; and using the phone |
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kmlussier |
bshum: You hate parts? I'm surprised! ;) |
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bshum |
@love donuts |
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pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum loves donuts. |
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csharp |
@loves |
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pinesol_green |
csharp loves supybot plugins; virtualization; lasagna; logs; clarity; all y'all; upgrades; tpac; git; this venue; google; not being evil; when evergreen problems turn out to be staff error; the Jedi; pgadmin; policy; and lynx |
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csharp |
@dunno |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
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kmlussier |
Web team meeting starts in about 10 minutes. |
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kmlussier |
#startmeeting 2013-11-21 Web Team meeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Nov 21 13:03:42 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is kmlussier. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:03 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2013_11_21_web_team_meeting' |
| 13:03 |
kmlussier |
#info Agenda is available at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=webteam:meetings:agenda:2013-11-21 |
| 13:04 |
kmlussier |
#topic Introductions |
| 13:04 |
kmlussier |
Please introduce yourselves with the #info command. |
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kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
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graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
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gvitez |
#info gvitez is Gordana Vitez Niagara Evergreen Consortium |
| 13:06 |
kmlussier |
Small turnout today and no Rogan. |
| 13:07 |
gvitez |
Do we need a certain number of participants? Or is it not that formal? |
| 13:07 |
kmlussier |
But the two people with action items are here, so I suppose we can continue and see if others show up. |
| 13:07 |
graced |
ericar is in training, she may be able to join in a bit, depending on how the training goes. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: It's not that formal, but it might be difficult to discuss the web site roles without Rogan since he's really been taking charge of that process. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
I know bshum is in a meeting right now too. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
#topic Action items from last meeting |
| 13:09 |
kmlussier |
graced: Any progress with the downloads page? |
| 13:09 |
graced |
unfortunately, no, I've had trouble carving out the time |
| 13:09 |
graced |
I will redouble my efforts to get that done. |
| 13:10 |
kmlussier |
#info graced will defer her action item to upload the downloads page to look like her mock-ups until the next meeting. |
| 13:10 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier will defer her action item to explore options for the "Learn More" buttons on the Evergreen home page until the next meeting. |
| 13:11 |
kmlussier |
Sorry folks. I've been swamped this month. :( |
| 13:11 |
graced |
I think that's a theme for many of us. |
| 13:11 |
gvitez |
I'm afraid I don't know how I can contribute with the tech aspects of the site |
| 13:12 |
graced |
there's always value in design - or just pointing to what needs to be fixed. |
| 13:12 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Now that the site has been converted to WordPress, there isn't as much need for help with the tech aspects. |
| 13:13 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Like graced mentioned, I think there is help needed with design issues or with content. |
| 13:13 |
gvitez |
I can do that. |
| 13:14 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Have you seen the spreadsheet that Rogan has put out regarding potential roles for the web site? |
| 13:16 |
gvitez |
kmlussier: I have. I think I can help with editing. |
| 13:16 |
kmlussier |
#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AvGW1NTJVM7y5MeokT6um3OjapOCUDqdDDTqpsQ03F0/edit?usp=sharing |
| 13:17 |
gvitez |
kmlussier: there was call for someone to work on mini-conference info and I'd like to contribute in that regard. |
| 13:18 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Yes, I think both of those will be helpful. The only mini-conference I can think of that's coming up is the one Rogan is planning. But it might be good to think of what might be useful in a mini-conference section and how it might be set up. |
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kmlussier |
I expect the organizers of the conference would be responsible for the more specific information. |
| 13:19 |
gvitez |
Niagara has had a number of them, I think 4? and I can contribute with how to set one up. In case there are people considering but not sure about logistics. |
| 13:20 |
kmlussier |
OK, great! I'll add that as an action item for your then. :) |
| 13:20 |
gvitez |
Sounds good! I was starting to worry that I was a dead weight! |
| 13:20 |
kmlussier |
#action gvitez to create page on logistics for setting up a mini-conference. |
| 13:21 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: We're fairly new to organizing the web site responsiblity in this way, so I think it's taking time for everyone to find their niche for contributions. |
| 13:21 |
kmlussier |
I don't want to say definitively that you are now mini-conference section editor in case Rogan has heard from other people. |
| 13:22 |
kmlussier |
Since Rogan isn't here, I'm going to jump to the one item of new business. Maybe he'll wander in by the time we're done. |
| 13:22 |
* kmlussier |
knows he needs to here soon for the EOB meeting. |
| 13:23 |
kmlussier |
#topic Page for listing proposed development projects, etc. |
| 13:23 |
kmlussier |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/evergreen-web-team/2013-November/000450.html |
| 13:23 |
kmlussier |
kbutler mentioned the idea for a page to track proposed development projects, and it's something that the web team has talked about many times before. |
| 13:24 |
graced |
kmlussier: I really support this idea but I fear that this is going to be a lot of work to keep up with |
| 13:24 |
kmlussier |
graced: Sure |
| 13:24 |
graced |
I think some decisions would need to be made as to criteria |
| 13:24 |
kmlussier |
In the past, I think the web team got stuck on finding the best platform to track these things. They were looking for a solution similar to Idea Torrent. |
| 13:25 |
kmlussier |
One of my questions is what type of projects would be put there. Just ones where people are seeking development partners? Or should they include others too? |
| 13:25 |
graced |
Hmmm... does this then make the "Wishlist" in Launchpad moot? |
| 13:26 |
kmlussier |
graced: Well, I don't know. I put a lot of wishlist projects in Launchpad, but I never put our big development projects there. |
| 13:26 |
graced |
I guess I want to know what the purpose of the page is - for things people want or things that people want and are willing to commit funds to. |
| 13:26 |
gvitez |
Could the development projects be broken down into wishlist, seeking funding, prelim...categories like that? |
| 13:26 |
graced |
I would think it was the latter. But I'm often wrong. |
| 13:26 |
graced |
gvitez: absolutely. But that's a lot of maintenance work. |
| 13:27 |
kmlussier |
If it's just for things people want, then we would absolutely need some good platform to manage it. |
| 13:27 |
gvitez |
graced: good point. I'm not a huge fan of maintenance. :) |
| 13:27 |
graced |
:-) |
| 13:27 |
kmlussier |
I had once posed the idea of extending Launchpad for this purpose, but I think there is also the problem of over-extending Launchpad to do too many things that it's not meant to do. |
| 13:28 |
graced |
How about we start with RFPs and projects that have at least some funding. And see how that goes... we can always add to it later if it seems manageable. |
| 13:28 |
kmlussier |
If it were just a place to track a) projects that are seeking development partners and b)things that people are seeking quotes for, I could see it starting on the wiki. |
| 13:29 |
kmlussier |
AFAIK, MassLNC is the only site currently seeking development partners for a project. graced: Do you know of any others? |
| 13:29 |
* csharp |
pops in for a second |
| 13:29 |
graced |
Kent is, too |
| 13:29 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Welcome! |
| 13:29 |
graced |
For the MetaRecord return to the TPAC |
| 13:30 |
graced |
hey csharp! |
| 13:30 |
kmlussier |
graced: Great! The two projects are closely related then. |
| 13:30 |
gvitez |
There is the inventory development? |
| 13:30 |
gvitez |
Early stages but there is interest, I think. |
| 13:30 |
csharp |
I think a personnel role is missing here - rather than focusing on a software platform for managing projects on the web, should there be a community development project manager in place? |
| 13:30 |
graced |
Rogan was seeking funding partners but I think SCLENDS is going to dedicate funds to a staff client re-write instead |
| 13:30 |
csharp |
(beyond the scope of the web team I know, but just asking) |
| 13:31 |
graced |
csharp: How do you see that role ? |
| 13:32 |
csharp |
well, ideally it would be a person paid by the Evergreen project to manage the funding/logistics of projects spread across multiple stakeholders |
| 13:32 |
gvitez |
graced: Thanks for the info. I'll touch base with Rogan on that. |
| 13:32 |
csharp |
in reality, it would probably need to be a volunteer with a lot of time to devote to it |
| 13:32 |
graced |
gvitez: I know they plan to return to that project, even if they're tabling it for now. |
| 13:33 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Sounds great! But I'm concerned the community might be short on volunteers with a lot of time. :) |
| 13:33 |
csharp |
yeah, I know :-/ |
| 13:33 |
graced |
But it's a goal to aspire to! |
| 13:33 |
kmlussier |
But I also think this idea would fit in with the one of today's EOB agenda items. |
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| 13:34 |
csharp |
I think it might be something to keep in mind since there is definitely a desire to share information about project collaboration |
| 13:35 |
graced |
Well we can certainly start with putting it on the wiki so it is all in one place. |
| 13:35 |
csharp |
and nothing so far has "stuck" (except launchpad, though we don't use that for larger projects either) |
| 13:35 |
graced |
it being the information about developmetn projects |
| 13:35 |
csharp |
graced: I agree |
| 13:35 |
kmlussier |
And restricting it as described above? Active RFP's or projects that have some funding? |
| 13:35 |
csharp |
it's already there, no administrative overhead/learning curve, etc. |
| 13:36 |
graced |
kmlussier: I think so... at least for now |
| 13:36 |
graced |
I'm happy to work on that. |
| 13:36 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Yes, the using what's already there is key. I think the reason this idea has never moved forward is because we keep wanting to do it with something that we don't have the tuits to implement. |
| 13:36 |
csharp |
exactly |
| 13:36 |
kmlussier |
graced: I can work on it with you, if you don't mind. |
| 13:36 |
* kmlussier |
has a lot of content to add. |
| 13:37 |
graced |
the more the merrier |
| 13:37 |
kmlussier |
And I might want to stick the content up there soon. :) |
| 13:37 |
graced |
kmlussier: agreed, the sooner the better |
| 13:38 |
kmlussier |
#action graced and kmlussier to work on wiki page to track development projects that are part of active RFP's as well as projects seeking funding partners. |
| 13:39 |
kmlussier |
Anything else on that topic? |
| 13:39 |
kmlussier |
#topic Editor roles |
| 13:39 |
kmlussier |
I think I'm actually going to defer this topic since I don't have a good handle on what our next steps are. |
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| 13:40 |
kmlussier |
Oh, wait. I spoke too soon. RoganH is here! |
| 13:40 |
RoganH |
Yeah, sorry I'm out sick today and lost track of time. |
| 13:40 |
bradl |
do trumpets sound when RoganH enters the room? Yes. |
| 13:40 |
RoganH |
But did intend to log in! |
| 13:40 |
kmlussier |
bradl++ |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
Catch me up? |
| 13:41 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: We just started the editor roles topic. Do you have anything to say about it? Or do you want to defer it to the next meeting when you're feeling healthier? |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
We can defer it. I sent out a simplified sort of framework for roles and didn't get feedback. |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
I'll be honest in that I have mixed feelings. |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
Part of me likes the slightly chaotic people just grab the work approach we have done. |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
It feels very organic and FLOSS-y to me. |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
But I know that some folks want more structure. |
| 13:42 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: BTW, gvitez mentioned above she would be interested in taking charge of a mini-conferences section. |
| 13:43 |
RoganH |
So, my big question for others would be how do they feel? |
| 13:43 |
RoganH |
This kicked off with a discussion about responsibility and me volunteering to make a proposal but it's not one I feel personally attached to. |
| 13:43 |
RoganH |
It was meant just for discussion. |
| 13:43 |
graced |
RoganH: I feel like maybe some of the roles are too big? |
| 13:43 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: One big plus to the roles is that it gives a tangible task to people who don't know how to get started with helping out. |
| 13:44 |
gvitez |
kmlussier: it helped me find a way to help. |
| 13:44 |
RoganH |
graced: The original proposal had them be more narrow and people wanted them lumped together into fewer roles. |
| 13:44 |
graced |
IF someone said to me: You're in charge of the downloads page and the about us page, I'd know what I had to do. The roles as is, to me, feel a bit big. |
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| 13:44 |
kmlussier |
I've always felt comfortable with the organic and FLOSS-y approach, and I'll probably continue to work on the web site in that fashion no matter what happens with roles. |
| 13:44 |
graced |
RoganH: That was weeks ago, I've already forgotten it. :-D |
| 13:44 |
RoganH |
graced: :) |
| 13:45 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: I feel that way too. |
| 13:45 |
RoganH |
And I do think we need ways to bring folks in and give them manageable tasks. |
| 13:45 |
kmlussier |
I think graced has a good point about the roles being too big. It might be best to give potential volunteers a few pages that we know need help. |
| 13:45 |
RoganH |
But maybe the roles isn't the way to do that. |
| 13:45 |
kmlussier |
At the same time, to do that, we still need an editor who knows what those pages are. |
| 13:46 |
graced |
Perhaps we can all just ID pages we want to work on so we're not stepping on each others' toes? |
| 13:46 |
gvitez |
If I can say this, for those who are already well-established in the Evergreen community, that way works well. But if you're new or hesitant, it's a little overwhelming? |
| 13:46 |
RoganH |
graced: From the original discussion I don't think it was so much toe stepping as making sure some things got done. |
| 13:46 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: I totally agree. It was very overwhelming for me at first too. :) |
| 13:46 |
graced |
RoganH: That too |
| 13:46 |
kmlussier |
And I though it was more of a way to make it easier for people to know how they could contribute. :) |
| 13:47 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: that too |
| 13:47 |
RoganH |
In fact I think those were the two real goals, making sure things got done and helping people become contributors. |
| 13:47 |
RoganH |
And maybe the roles aren't the right way to go about that. |
| 13:48 |
RoganH |
Maybe we should approach the site as more like a block of code and look at contributions like code work. |
| 13:48 |
graced |
But not use those words lest we scare people off |
| 13:48 |
gvitez |
Giant to-do list? Check off what you've fixed or added? |
| 13:48 |
RoganH |
It breaks down a bit because we can't give access to anyone and just review the code like git. |
| 13:49 |
RoganH |
graced: agreed |
| 13:49 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: You know. I really think that Google docs is a good first start. It clearly identifies areas that need work and allows people to claim an area. |
| 13:49 |
RoganH |
gvitez: basically |
| 13:49 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: which was part of the reason I started it |
| 13:49 |
kmlussier |
And anyone can add to it if they see something else that needs to be done. |
| 13:50 |
RoganH |
I think we should brainstorm how to expand that concept and how to welcome people into the pool and get them up to speed. Kind of like what the docs folks are doing. |
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graced |
RoganH: Agenda item for the next meeting? |
| 13:51 |
RoganH |
Maybe we move not to launchpad but somekind of to do app or a google spreadsheet doc |
| 13:51 |
RoganH |
graced: yes, but hopefully some listserv communication in between |
| 13:51 |
kmlussier |
Does somebody want to take an action item for the listserv message? |
| 13:51 |
* kmlussier |
stares at RoganH |
| 13:51 |
gvitez |
google spreadsheet is super easy. |
| 13:51 |
RoganH |
ok, ok, I'll do it |
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| 13:52 |
graced |
RoganH++ |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
I'll summarize this discussion and throw out a few possibilities to kick off discussion. |
| 13:52 |
kmlussier |
#action RoganH to start listserv discussion about expanding the idea of Google document to track web site needs. |
| 13:52 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: And I'll try to provide feedback this time when you send the message. :) |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
And I want to coin FLOSS-y as a term (though someone else probably already has). |
| 13:52 |
kmlussier |
Anything else anyone wants to bring up before the EOB members descend on IRC? |
| 13:53 |
kmlussier |
#action kmlussier to send earlier meeting reminders for now on. |
| 13:53 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Thanks for coming! I'm glad you could make it! |
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kmlussier |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-13.03.html |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-13.03.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-13.03.log.html |
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graced |
kmlussier++ |
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gvitez |
kmlussier: ending semester makes life so much easier! |
| 13:54 |
kmlussier |
gvitez: Yes! I can imagine! |
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dbs |
gvitez++ |
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RoganH |
chorizo y queso while sick makes my life easier |
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gvitez |
dbs: I finally have a meeting tomorrow with ITS to discuss LDAP! |
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eeevil |
now that the meeting's over, I want to draw some attention to a postgres bug that's in the process of being fixed |
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eeevil |
it affects sites using streaming replication to create a hot-standby |
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eeevil |
and, if provoked, causes severe corruption of the secondary |
| 14:00 |
RoganH |
eeevil: I just read your email, it looks ugly |
| 14:00 |
eeevil |
once the fix is released, it is repairable |
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eeevil |
and it's unlikely that a normal evergreen workload could provoke it |
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dbs |
eeevil: thanks for the heads-up on that |
| 14:01 |
eeevil |
but it's possible, and, yes, ugly ;) |
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gmcharlt |
eeevil++ # squeezing in |
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gmcharlt |
#start_meeting Evergreen Oversight Board meeting, 2013-11-21 |
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gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board meeting, 2013-11-21 |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Nov 21 14:01:57 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__2013_11_21' |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info Agenda is http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2013-11-22 |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Roll call of EOB members |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, ESI |
| 14:02 |
montgoc1 |
#info montgoc1 = Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries |
| 14:02 |
RoganH |
#info RoganH = Rogan Hamby, SCLENDS |
| 14:02 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 14:03 |
ElizabethM_ |
#info ElizabethM = Elizabeth McKinney, GPLS/PINES |
| 14:03 |
bhyman |
#info bhyman is Ben Hyman, BC Libraries Co-op |
| 14:03 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
| 14:03 |
abneiman |
(also still stuck on Reference, so will be a bit late) |
| 14:03 |
sborger |
#info sborger = Shauna Borger, Indiana State Library |
| 14:03 |
StephenGWills |
#info Steve Wills, Beyond Print, Inc. |
| 14:04 |
dbwells |
#info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#info yboston - Yamil Suarez - Berklee College of Music - EOB Member |
| 14:04 |
afterl |
#info Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation (guest) |
| 14:04 |
gmcharlt |
great, and we have a quorum |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Action items from previous meeting |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
#info following the October meeting, Conservancy is pursuing registering the literal mark for "Evergreen" |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
the other action items appear to be covered in other items on the agenda |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Financial summary |
| 14:06 |
terran |
#info Terran McCanna, GPLS/PINES |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
#info Current financial summary: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-November/000635.html |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
#info net gain of about $6K since October; most transactions were conference sponsorships starting to come in, as well as some conference expenses and activity related to GSoC |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Release manager's report |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells: you have the floor |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
#info As most are probably well aware, Evergreen 2.5.0 was released on Nov. 8. Reports from end users have been scarce, but overall feedback has been positive. |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
#info I am planning to cut 2.5.1 between now and the holiday next week, and starting in December it will be on the regular point-release schedule. |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
That's all :) Thanks again to everyone who made it happen! |
| 14:10 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells++ |
| 14:10 |
gmcharlt |
any questions for Dan? |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
dbwells++ |
| 14:10 |
StephenGWills |
are we able to track installed base on releases? |
| 14:10 |
bhyman |
dbwells++ |
| 14:10 |
kmlussier |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
StephenGWills: not in any automatic fasion |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
*fashion |
| 14:12 |
dbwells |
StephenGWills: I like the idea, though! |
| 14:12 |
* StephenGWills |
nods. thanks. I was wondering about installed base vs feedback |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
moving on |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen 2014 conference committee report |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
The deadline for program proposals has passed, and I'm very pleased with the quality of proposals we've received. |
| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=conference:2014:proposals |
| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
We are also looking for feedback from the community before selecting programs. If you haven't had a chance yet, please submit your feedback! |
| 14:14 |
montgoc1 |
Has there been a lot of feedback? |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
#link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/eg14-program-selecti |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
montgoc1: We've received feedback from 35 people. |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
#link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/eg14-program-selection |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
(link was broken) |
| 14:16 |
kmlussier |
yboston: Thank you! Not sure what happened there. |
| 14:16 |
montgoc1 |
How many are registered at this point? |
| 14:16 |
kmlussier |
montgoc1: Not much more than last month, but, from what I understand, it isn't unusual for people to wait until just before the early bird deadline. |
| 14:16 |
montgoc1 |
Yep. |
| 14:16 |
montgoc1 |
OK. Thanks. |
| 14:16 |
kmlussier |
afterl: Do you have anything you want to report on? |
| 14:17 |
afterl |
I just want to say that we're still bringing in sponsorship |
| 14:17 |
afterl |
and now we're focusing on exhibitors |
| 14:17 |
afterl |
An exhibitor information packet went out yesterday |
| 14:17 |
afterl |
and it was added to the website today |
| 14:18 |
afterl |
That's all from me |
| 14:18 |
bhyman |
after1++ |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
afterl++ |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: afterl: anything you wuld like assistance from EOB and/or community members on for the next month? |
| 14:18 |
afterl |
:) |
| 14:19 |
afterl |
Well some helped to try to bring out more sponsors |
| 14:19 |
afterl |
so if anyone wanted to continue with that ... |
| 14:19 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, I think what afterl said is the big thing. |
| 14:19 |
kmlussier |
And, you know, register. :) |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
byhman said that sponsors often come late to the party |
| 14:20 |
abneiman |
afterl: I have had some positive response from B&T and Midwest |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
so it would be good to remind them |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
abneiman: oh, good! |
| 14:20 |
abneiman |
But nothing official yet |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
yes, I know that dance |
| 14:20 |
kmlussier |
The current list of sponsors is at http://evergreen-ils.org/conference/eg14/eg14-sponsors/. Though I think there's one I haven't posted yet. |
| 14:21 |
afterl |
Right, ByWater! |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
any other discussion re the 2014 conference? |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Resource allocator summit |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-November/000629.html |
| 14:24 |
gmcharlt |
bhyman: the floor is yours |
| 14:24 |
bhyman |
thanks - from the feedback yesterday, seems we're moving forward |
| 14:24 |
bhyman |
Specific issues re: best way to coordinate with EG2014 room blocks, etc, etc |
| 14:25 |
bhyman |
which inevitably means extra load for kmlussier et al (sorry) |
| 14:25 |
kmlussier |
bhyman: Sure. If we can get a sense of which day people might prefer, I can send out an e-mail to our event coordinator today. |
| 14:26 |
* gmcharlt |
is on the fence re before the conference (higher energy levels) vs after (lower energy levels, but more information) |
| 14:26 |
bhyman |
IIRC tagging this on at the very end might work best (Saturday aft/evening) - is that correct kmlussier? and if so, does that work for the EOB? |
| 14:27 |
ElizabethM_ |
I would prefer BEFORE but just want to make it happen. So either is fine with me...do prefer this is held in conjunction with conference. |
| 14:27 |
kmlussier |
bhyman: Yes. Tuesday is a very busy hotel night in the Boston area. Weekends are less so. |
| 14:27 |
* RoganH |
wonders which is more valuable, bringing direction into the conference or taking information from the conference into the summit. |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
I am local, so either one works for me |
| 14:28 |
bhyman |
if the room blocks suggest after, my inclination is to go with the least resistance |
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* gmcharlt |
can get behind that approach |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
I'm in favor of Saturday afternoon, but Galen's point about lower energy levels is well-taken. OTOH so is Rogan's point about taking info from the conference to the summit. So, Saturday afternoon with espresso service? |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
There's a Starbucks in the hotel lobby. |
| 14:30 |
bhyman |
Saturday afternoon energy drinks |
| 14:30 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: quad shot mochas FTW |
| 14:30 |
terran |
I will officially lend my support to anything that involves a mocha. |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
terran++ |
| 14:31 |
bhyman |
caffeeine gets more support than the idea, but I can live with that ;) |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
OK, it sounds like the general sense is immediately before or after the conference, with the choice most likely to be determined by bhyman and kmlussier based on what works out better with the respect to the hotel |
| 14:32 |
RoganH |
I would support the after conference model. |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
any objections to that approach? |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
The one thing I need to know is how many room blocks I should set aside for Saturday night. Other details (e.g. meeting locations) can be worked out offline. I just want to make sure I work on room blocks asap. |
| 14:33 |
bhyman |
gmcharlt no objections from me & happy to work with kmlussier on this |
| 14:33 |
gmcharlt |
great |
| 14:33 |
afterl |
bhyman++ |
| 14:34 |
gmcharlt |
as far as room blocks -- I agree that 25 people total is a sensible upper bound |
| 14:34 |
bhyman |
kmlussier I think I suggested max of 25 attendees...does that sound about right? |
| 14:34 |
gmcharlt |
(and 25 would be a little too large, in fact) |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
bhyman: Maybe I'll go with 20 on the rooms thinking that some of use are local and some may try to get a late night flight. |
| 14:35 |
bhyman |
Funny, I was just thinking 16 - 20 sounds good to me kmlussier - I'll connect with you next week |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
bhyman++ |
| 14:36 |
ElizabethM_ |
Should the EOB or conf committee put out word about this meeting. Not assuming this would be limited to EOB members. |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
bhyman: I'm on vacation next week, but we'll connect soon after. |
| 14:37 |
bhyman |
ElizabethM makes a good point ... |
| 14:38 |
bhyman |
I can surface the background for the proposal on the grl mailing list as a start |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
I would imagine that a broader announcement can be made in a couple weeks once the logistical details are finalized |
| 14:39 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: agreed |
| 14:39 |
sborger |
Perhaps a save the date type of announcement just for starters? |
| 14:39 |
sborger |
We can always fill in details later. |
| 14:39 |
kmlussier |
sborger: I wouldn't want a save the date announcement until we know we have the rooms. |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
regarding the proposed faciliator, I have a question: does the individual being considered have any relevant experience to contribute beyond purely faciilitating? |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
I'm mostly concerned about not having to bring that person up on the basic vocabulary of what we're discussing |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: No. And if the EOB doesn't want an outside facilitator, that's fine too. I was just thinking people might want to actively participate. |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: But if somebody is willing to take on that role, that's fine too. Saves us a beer. |
| 14:42 |
bhyman |
if its not a conflict, and if the facilitator is unavailable or the wrong fit, I'll put my name forward |
| 14:43 |
ElizabethM_ |
Can we know more about the proposed facilitator? |
| 14:45 |
kmlussier |
ElizabethM_: Well, since I haven't really even raised the idea with the person, I hate to say too much. I was just thinking we might need somebody, and I know somebody local - a librarian - who does a lot of facilitation and is good at it. |
| 14:45 |
kmlussier |
She knows libraries. She does not know Evergreen other than some broad details of our own local project. |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
fair enough -- I suggest that we hash this out, if hasing out is needed, later |
| 14:46 |
gmcharlt |
bhyman: and thanks for volunteering |
| 14:46 |
ElizabethM_ |
agreed |
| 14:46 |
bhyman |
look forward to hashing :) |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
To start, I could see if there's any interest from her. The whole question may be moot if there isn't. :) |
| 14:46 |
gmcharlt |
bhyman: do you think you'll have a firm budget estimate by the next EOB meeting? |
| 14:46 |
bhyman |
checking calendar... |
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bhyman |
gmcharlt I think we should have a firm'ish budget by then, yes |
| 14:47 |
gmcharlt |
great, thanks |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
#action bhyman to present a firmer budget proposal for the summit by the December EOB meeting |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
pushing onward |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
#topiic Staff interface funding |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-November/000628.html |
| 14:50 |
kmlussier |
I pretty much said everything in the e-mail. There are two pieces I'm proposing: a) That the EOB actively seek a grant for the web client project and b) that we consider bringing a UI consultant into the project - the sooner the better. |
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kmlussier |
I think the timing is fairly critical for both pieces. |
| 14:50 |
ElizabethM_ |
kmlussier ++ |
| 14:51 |
kmlussier |
And while I wasn't willing to say much about my sketchy ideas for a facilitator, I am willing to say more about the UI consultant I've had discussions with. :) |
| 14:51 |
RoganH |
I would like to see a UI person involved by the time we have the prototype work ESI is doing so that UI considerations can be involved before things go too far. |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:51 |
ElizabethM_ |
Agreed on UI work with prototype. |
| 14:52 |
RoganH |
Note that I don't think the UI work is important to incorporate into the prototype, but that it would be complimentary to. |
| 14:52 |
StephenGWills |
Balsam is discussing bringing in a UI person so it's perfect timing for us as well. |
| 14:52 |
terran |
Having a good UI on the prototype will help build support for development of the full client. |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
StephenGWills: Do you have anyone in mind yet? |
| 14:52 |
StephenGWills |
I think the College of the Atlantic does but they have not shared the name for sure. |
| 14:52 |
RoganH |
terran: keep in mind that isn't in the scope of the prototype which is contracted work, not a community project |
| 14:53 |
StephenGWills |
It is probably the person who did their site |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
I've actually had some discussions with graced about UI work and the prototype, and she really doesn't want to slow the prototype work down, which is primarily concerned with the underlying technology. |
| 14:53 |
RoganH |
The scope of the work on that prototype is already set and contracts signed. |
| 14:54 |
RoganH |
But if we wait too long to look at UI and the prototype is successful at helping folks start moving interfaces I think we will have missed an opportunity so that information would be nice to have when the prototype is finished or shortly thereafter. |
| 14:55 |
kmlussier |
But she did show a willingness to maybe do one screen based on the feedback from the UI consultant. Though, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, graced. I may be misremembering. |
| 14:55 |
StephenGWills |
I'm happy to get more info from COA on their designer for us. |
| 14:55 |
graced |
kmlussier: you are not misremembering. That's what we discussed. |
| 14:55 |
kmlussier |
graced: Phew! I'm always worried about making false promises. |
| 14:55 |
kmlussier |
The consultant I've been speaking with is from Two Rivers Consulting. http://tworivers.com/ |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
regarding the UI consultants or consultants, perhaps the efforts could be complementary in the sense of smaller-scale efforts |
| 14:56 |
RoganH |
As one of the contractual parties I don't mind some work being done on the prototype but don't want to distract from it's core purpose. |
| 14:56 |
RoganH |
(Though I do want to see web sockets. I won't be a broken record on that at this time though.) |
| 14:56 |
ElizabethM_ |
But discussion with a UI person can ensue while ESI work is being done. I assume we will talk to several folks to find the right one to fit our community needs, no? |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
what I mean by that is we'd have to first figure out ways that the folks doing the coding, whoever they end up being, and the UI consultants can work together |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
They are a husband/wife team, and they both worked for Netscape in the 1.0-4.0 days. She was the team leader for the Netscape 4 interface. What I liked is that she's willing to talk to use for a couple of meetings to help organize us before we even consider contracts. |
| 14:57 |
gmcharlt |
and a small-scale pilot might provide asurance that the end result of bringin in a UI consultant is not a big report that gets ignored |
| 14:58 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: I would support looking at something small scale. I'll be honest I'm concerned about any large scale changes being so big they scare people off because of training issues. |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
ElizabethM_: I think it's good to talk to several folks. I don't know if anybody else knows of people. I contacted a few in our area and am willing to follow up with some. But I know not all the UI consultants of the world work out of Massachusetts. |
| 14:59 |
RoganH |
Changes in the nature of "reduce these three clicks to two" is the kind of tweaks I would feel more enthusiastic about than new workflows resulting from massive changes. |
| 14:59 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: Well, and we don't want any changes too large scale that would slow down the overall project. I think this needs to be made clear with whatever project we're working on. |
| 15:00 |
ElizabethM_ |
kmlussier: understood. I hope we can move forward and see what happens. |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
RoganH: and I think I also mean small scale i the sense of a pillot project that would be fundable short of a massive EOB campaign |
| 15:00 |
terran |
As another of the contractual parties, I agree that the UI work shouldn't be the focus of the prototype. However, I feel that it will be difficult to get broad support for the work if it does not look better than the current client. |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
to allow UI consulting to take place while a bigger grant-seeking effort takes place |
| 15:00 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: I agree. |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
Perhaps it would be good if a group of us volunteered to commit to getting the UI work off the ground. |
| 15:01 |
* kmlussier |
obviously volunteers. |
| 15:01 |
RoganH |
I will volunteer my time in whatever way is helpful. |
| 15:02 |
ElizabethM_ |
I am nominating TerranM to participate |
| 15:02 |
terran |
I am definitely interested in the UI work. |
| 15:02 |
yboston |
I am also interested, but because of conference and DIG work my time is a bit limited |
| 15:02 |
ElizabethM_ |
She is our rep on the prototype project and will be on any future client development projects. |
| 15:02 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: Also, do you think somebody from ESI would be willing to be involved? |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: I'm sure we can scare somebody up |
| 15:03 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: do you still want to revisit the grant opportunities as well? |
| 15:03 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: Yes! |
| 15:03 |
graced |
I volunteer for ESI, if you'll have me |
| 15:03 |
kmlussier |
It might seem like I'm volunteering for a lot, but I know this is a priority for my employers. |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
so let's check an assumption -- it's it fair to say that the EOB as a whole views the web staff interface as something worth pursuing grant funding for? |
| 15:04 |
ElizabethM_ |
Graced ++ |
| 15:04 |
* gmcharlt |
is doing the "ask a silly question" dance, but just in case... |
| 15:04 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: if we put it to a vote I would say yes |
| 15:04 |
sborger |
Yes |
| 15:04 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: Well, I guess I was thinking the grant would be for the client project as a whole. |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: I'm not sure I see the distinction there |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
but to clarify, I'm speaking about the broad effort to replace the staff interface |
| 15:05 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: OK, I wasn't sure if you were saying the grant would just be for bringing in the UI consultant. |
| 15:05 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: OK, gotcha now. |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: indeed, not just the UI consultant (and I really do think we should consider "practicing" a small-scale project with an UI consultant first, and that doesn't necessarily need to involve the EOB) |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: as far as the grant is concerned, I think there's general support for the notion |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
what do you need in order to move forward? |
| 15:08 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: I know we're short on time here, but how do you see the small pilot working? Look at an existing staff interface? |
| 15:09 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: With the consensus, I think what we need is people to help flesh out the details of all of this. Looks like we have a few for the UI stuff. |
| 15:09 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: possibly -- at the broad workflow level, not the counting-clicks level, as obviously any web staff interface would likely change it |
| 15:11 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: Sure. My only concern was doing a small project that gets overriden by the web client. But if we think in terms of workflow, that might work. |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: it just occurred to me that OPAC might be a better ground for a small project -- we at least know that there aren't any immediate plans to revamp it |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
anyway, I encourage EOB members to respond to the email thread to volunteer to assit kmlussier on the broader grant project |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
moving on |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Merchandising |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
RoganH: (briefly) could you give us an update? |
| 15:13 |
RoganH |
Not much to say at this point, I have three volunteers including myself. |
| 15:13 |
RoganH |
Ruth Frasier from Indiana, Rose Schoof from Virginia & Melissa Ceraso from Bibliomation |
| 15:13 |
terran |
Suggestion - I propose that our small team of UI volunteers works with the prototype to make sure that it is clean and simple, and then we consider bringing in the consultant towards the end to polish it or give advice for developing the full client. |
| 15:14 |
RoganH |
And I'm still waiting to hear back from the conservancy to move forward on the store front details but in the meantime |
| 15:14 |
gmcharlt |
terran: we've moved on -- please take further discussion to the other volunteers or the open-ils-general list, perhaps |
| 15:14 |
RoganH |
will continue the discussion with the volunteers about the Zazzle vs. Cafe Press vs. Whatever options. |
| 15:14 |
RoganH |
That's all for now. |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
RoganH: when do you think that we might be able to put up stuff concretely for sale? |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
(as opposed, I suppose, to putting concrete up for sale) |
| 15:15 |
RoganH |
That's dependent on the conservancy at this point. I'm ready to have the first items up within a week. |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
any questions for Rogan? |
| 15:16 |
RoganH |
I haven't pressed because I'm sure they're busy but it's been a while at this point. |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
I'm happy to press as well |
| 15:16 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: you interact with them more if you wouldn't mind politely poking I would appreciate it |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
I shall do so |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen 2015 Conference site selection |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: I see you've been busy dragooning people^W^Wfinding volunteers |
| 15:18 |
kmlussier |
I have three at-large volunteers from the community - Deborah Luchenbill, Tanya Prokrym, and Beth Longwell. |
| 15:18 |
kmlussier |
We were looking for 2, but I don't think it's a problem to extend it to 3. |
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kmlussier |
graced volunteered to be our vendor rep. |
| 15:18 |
kmlussier |
sborger and afterl said they could be past conference reps. sborger also serves on the EOB, so maybe she can serve dual roles? |
| 15:19 |
kmlussier |
My name isn't on the list, so I just need one of those people to start the process. |
| 15:20 |
sborger |
Fine with me. |
| 15:20 |
kmlussier |
I'm assuming since I haven't heard any feedback yet on the question of viewing the conference as a money-maker for the community vs. making it as afforable as possible, then people are probably happy going along as we have been until now. |
| 15:20 |
sborger |
<kmlussier> You need either me or after1 to start the selection process? |
| 15:21 |
sborger |
Or am I understanding that incorrectly. Thanks! |
| 15:21 |
kmlussier |
Well, it doesn't have to be one of the two of you. It just has to be somebody. But probably not one of the at-large reps since all three are new to the process. |
| 15:21 |
kmlussier |
So that would be sborger, graced or afterl. |
| 15:22 |
sborger |
Okay, thanks for the clarification. The three of us will touch base offline. |
| 15:22 |
kmlussier |
sborger: If you need contact information for anyone else, let me know. |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
#info Evergreen 2015 conference site-selection committed formed and will start operations |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier++ # cat herdiing |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
thanks everybody! |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
| 15:23 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Nov 21 15:23:57 2013 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:23 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-14.01.html |
| 15:23 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-14.01.txt |
| 15:23 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-21-14.01.log.html |
| 15:24 |
* kmlussier |
isn't a cat person. |
| 15:24 |
StephenGWills |
LOL! |
| 15:24 |
bradl |
what??? |
| 15:24 |
RoganH |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:24 |
kmlussier |
Shocking, I know! For a librarian. ;) |
| 15:24 |
StephenGWills |
or a catty person for that matter. :) KMLussier++ |
| 15:24 |
csharp |
@dunno search cat |
| 15:24 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: 1 found: #9: "http://cat.evergreen-ils.org.meowbify.com/" |
| 15:25 |
* RoganH |
thinks we need more dog people in libraries. |
| 15:25 |
librarypolice |
kmlussier: we're going to have to take your librarian card now |
| 15:25 |
bradl |
librarypolice++ |
| 15:25 |
csharp |
@dunno 9 |
| 15:25 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 15:25 |
* rfrasur |
likes hedgehogs |
| 15:25 |
kmlussier |
LOL |
| 15:26 |
csharp |
ok - I have a question about the way authorities link to bibs... (2.5+)... |
| 15:26 |
csharp |
it's my understanding that the authority linker scripts try to match each auth record to bib record based on the text of the heading, yes? |
| 15:27 |
csharp |
but nothing in the bib record is *updated* at all during that process, right? |
| 15:27 |
csharp |
our cataloging staff are dismayed by that and I'm trying to make sure I'm right :-) |
| 15:29 |
senator |
csharp: not completely right. the script adds subfield 0's to the fields in the bib record that matched headings found in authority records |
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| 15:30 |
kmlussier |
csharp: My understanding is that once those records are linked, then when you make updates to the authority records, the linked bib records update accordingly. Or maybe that's not what you're talking about. |
| 15:31 |
csharp |
senator: kmlussier: yes - so I'm wrong! That's good news |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
truth++ |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
lies-- |
| 15:38 |
rfrasur |
yeah, so our high school principal asked my student page (she's 17) how much it'd cost to put Evergreen into their libraries. The same library that doesn't have a librarian...in the same corporation where they "have a certified librarian" (who's in a gen ed classroom). So many things I want to say to him. So many things. |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: note that there are import, recent bugfixes to the handling of bib uipdates when a linked authority changes |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
*important |
| 15:42 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: look at this as a positive sign, pointing to the principal thinking about improving information literacy? |
| 15:44 |
rfrasur |
jcamins: :-| okay. |
| 15:44 |
* rfrasur |
would very nearly believe that....except he told a high school student that she could do the job...because he seriously believes that. |
| 15:45 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: o.O |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
yeah, he also told her that she had a budget. |
| 15:45 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: Youth in Leadership! |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
(it's not like that's taxpayer money or anything...or like school libraries are real, functional parts of education) |
| 15:48 |
* rfrasur |
thinks about all the great reasons to be moderate and not get angry about such things. |
| 15:53 |
rfrasur |
he has a librarian on staff even though it's a gen ed teacher who has nothing to do with library or information seeking skills just so that he complies with state requirements. Then he has the nerve to send a high schooler to me to gather information about costs/vendor (yes...vendor) information for Evergreen even though those same libraries have NEVER been automated, like automating a library is the same as downloading |
| 15:53 |
rfrasur |
Candy Crush. |
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rfrasur |
@eightball |
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pinesol_green |
rfrasur: It is possible. |
| 16:00 |
rfrasur |
On the plus side, my page is learning a ton about professional librarianship. She's gonna be awesome someday. She's already pretty awesome. |
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gmcharlt |
hmm -- TPac isn't actually too horrible in lynx |
| 16:56 |
rfrasur |
That's good, yeah? |
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dbs |
gmcharlt: that is not surprising, we've worked pretty hard to keep the HTML clean and sane and not reliant on JavaScript! |
| 17:16 |
gmcharlt |
indeed |
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linuxhiker |
just for confirmation, libopensrf.so.2.1.1 is what is needed for Evergreen 2.4, correct? |
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ktomita |
I am using the authority_authority_linker.pl and am getting a database update failed for when trying to update certain authority records. Has anyone else experienced this same issue? |
| 18:38 |
ktomita |
or any issues with running the authority_authority_linker.pl? |
| 18:46 |
yboston |
ktomita: I cannot answer your question, I have not used that script yet. Looks like most people left the channel since it is late in the east coast in North America. I suggest you send your question on the mailing list |
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dbs |
ktomita: it would be most useful to include an example of the failing authority record and information about what version of Evergreen you're running |
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