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paxed |
huh. i just heard of VIAF |
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csharp |
@later tell gsams there are some fields in the reporter on which you can use the "Change Transform" feature to average something, but it's not very flexible |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. |
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rfrasur |
The end of the year is never a fun part as you see the budget dwindling away even if you're spending is right on track. |
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* rfrasur |
likes the beginning way better. |
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* rfrasur |
will buy ALL the books in January. |
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Dyrcona |
OMG! One of our assistant directors just mentioned how he used a Raspberry Pi to power a TV with presentations of services, etc., that the library offers. |
| 10:53 |
rfrasur |
Because he's awesome. I think we might need to talk. |
| 10:54 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: cool! That was one of the suggestions I made this spring for refurbing our library display (right now it's running LCDS - a custom linux image I built, on a broken laptop) |
| 10:54 |
rfrasur |
I haven't had time to play except for a couple minutes messing with Raspbian one day. |
| 10:54 |
dbs |
LCDS = https://gitorious.org/el-cheapo-digital-signage |
| 10:56 |
rfrasur |
dbs: I think that could be one of the best lib uses for a Pi, but I don't have the time or know how to do it yet. |
| 10:56 |
dbs |
Should be super-simple to replace that with an rPI that, on boot, uses a minimal xinitrc to fire up a web browser that points at the constructed LCDS web page |
| 10:56 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Sounds like pretty much the same problem: use wireless 'cause who want to climb a ladder and possibly break their neck. |
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dbs |
heh, biggest problem there was the ladder was far away, so people were climbing on rolling chairs and other much more hazardous objects |
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RobertL_ |
Hi. Is there a way for different users to share an import queue? I know you can share buckets but it seems import queues are not shareable. |
| 11:10 |
bshum |
RobertL_: I feel like queues are owned by their users and not sharable. But someone else might know of other options. |
| 11:12 |
kmlussier |
RobertL_: I think bshum is correct. I know there are people here who would like the queues to be sharable. |
| 11:13 |
RobertL_ |
That was my guess. Thanks for confirming! |
| 11:52 |
bshum |
I'm not sure if this is a Ubuntu Precise thing, but nowadays every time we install Evergreen, it chokes on trying to restart apache because of /var/lock/apache2 directory being owned by www-data instead of opensrf |
| 11:53 |
bshum |
We have to either remove that dir or change the ownerships to make it work. |
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bshum |
Has anyone seen anything like that on Debian Wheezy or is it just a Ubuntu Precise issue? |
| 11:56 |
paxed |
i don't think i've encountered that on debian - i run testing. |
| 11:57 |
bshum |
So maybe it's just a weird Ubuntu issue |
| 11:57 |
dbs |
bshum: at some point we'll cut over to running Apache as apache / www-data instead of opensrf, and then such errors will go away |
| 11:57 |
bshum |
dbs: True that |
| 11:58 |
jeffdavis |
bshum: we do 'chown -R opensrf:opensrf /var/lock/apache2' to avoid that issue IIRC |
| 11:59 |
jeffdavis |
in our install script |
| 11:59 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: Sounds about right. |
| 12:00 |
bshum |
I'll not overly worry I guess, but it does fumble newbies playing with Evergreen on Ubuntu. |
| 12:00 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: It happens on first install. |
| 12:00 |
Dyrcona |
I make it part of my scripts to do the chown. |
| 12:01 |
dbs |
We really should set a firm release target for cutting over to a normalized install instead of /openils + opensrf:opensrf. |
| 12:01 |
bshum |
dbs: Sounds like a worthy decision to be made for 2.next or 3.0! :D |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
dbs: Or maybe something to include in your pitch when you run for RM? |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
Speaking of which, we probably need to get a meeting going to decide who that is and what our next plans are. Sometime. |
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kmlussier |
bshum: My calendar was reminding me this morning to schedule a dev meeting. :) |
| 12:31 |
Dyrcona |
Gee. Maybe I should have piped the output of authority_authority_linker to a file. Then, I'd have a list of my problems, rather than just the handful that show up in scroll back..... |
| 12:31 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Oops :( |
| 12:34 |
Dyrcona |
I'll do that next time. This is development, there will be a next time. |
| 12:39 |
rfrasur |
o0(one should not use canned air in an enclosed air for more than small bursts) |
| 12:43 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: Like the mildew remover that says not to use it in a confined space? |
| 12:47 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona: Well, there's the warnings and all that...but who reads these days? |
| 12:48 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, it says well ventilated area...oh well. My keyboard is pretty dang clean now and that's all that matters. |
| 12:51 |
* dbs |
just bangs the can against the keyboard until all the dust comes out |
| 12:51 |
rfrasur |
dbs: I did that, too. Anything to avoid the tediousness of writing the details of the library long range plan. |
| 12:51 |
* rfrasur |
is thinking about rearranging her office. |
| 12:53 |
rfrasur |
http://bitsywords.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/cc03.gif |
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* csharp |
got one of these for his birthday last year: http://goo.gl/jDFBtO |
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collum |
woohoo! We are KY's first ever star library. http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013/11/managing-libraries/lj-index/class-of-2013/all-the-stars-2013-state-by-state/ |
| 13:05 |
kmlussier |
collum++ Congrats! |
| 13:06 |
Dyrcona |
collum++ # Congratulations! |
| 13:07 |
rfrasur |
collum++ #That's pretty awesome! |
| 13:10 |
dbs |
collum++ |
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csharp |
collum++ |
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* csharp |
notes the nice goose egg on Georgia, slumps down even lower |
| 13:13 |
rfrasur |
Only 7 from Indiana (and none from Hagerstown...sigh) |
| 13:13 |
graced_ |
collum++ |
| 13:15 |
csharp |
ah yes... the moment when you're 95% done with a reports template, only to realize that one of the requested fields is not avaialble via your chosen source... |
| 13:15 |
kmlussier |
Can anybody else confirm this? In testing offline circ in 2.4, we found that the "Skip offline checkout if newer item status changed time" was backwards. When set to false, it skipped the offline checkout. When set to true, it did not skip the offline checkout. |
| 13:18 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: does your library provide online access to JSTOR? |
| 13:19 |
rfrasur |
no |
| 13:19 |
rfrasur |
And it's not available through our statewide db list either. |
| 13:20 |
jcamins |
I just learned that signing up for JSTOR is easier than figuring out how to access JSTOR through the library. |
| 13:20 |
* jcamins |
thinks this might be why libraries are in trouble. |
| 13:21 |
rfrasur |
oh yeah. I dunno any public libraries around here that use it. Indiana University does...or did. |
| 13:22 |
rfrasur |
Honestly, most of our small libraries don't bother with most of the major db unless it's genealogy or the something cute from Ebsco because negotiating the licenses and dealing with authentication is a nightmare (even if you can afford it). |
| 13:22 |
csharp |
no public libraries in Georgia use it that I'm aware of |
| 13:22 |
jcamins |
All I wanted was a basic biography of a poet. I found it via EBSCO+JSTOR personal (which I signed up for in the last ten minutes), after spending time failing to figure out how to find a biography from any library that I use. |
| 13:22 |
rfrasur |
And our statewide db library, Inspire, is a pile of pants because of the authentication hassles. |
| 13:23 |
jcamins |
Granted, he's an obscure poet. But still. |
| 13:23 |
rfrasur |
still |
| 13:23 |
jcamins |
When someone says "Wikipedia isn't enough for me," the library should be right there to say "damn straight, and here's good information for you!" |
| 13:23 |
rfrasur |
the information exists and we can view it from afar...but it's behind so many flippin' walls, it's essentially extinct for all intents and purposes. |
| 13:24 |
rfrasur |
yep, we should. |
| 13:24 |
csharp |
rfrasur: dunno what the relationships are, but we have seamless access between PINES and GALILEO (which I believe would be somewhat analogous to Inspire) |
| 13:24 |
csharp |
you might request a similar feature? |
| 13:24 |
rfrasur |
csharp: I think it's the same idea. As far as requesting goes....it's become a mild shout throughout the state. |
| 13:25 |
csharp |
gotcha |
| 13:25 |
csharp |
if we can help at all, just let us know |
| 13:25 |
rfrasur |
I dunno why it can't get figured out. God forbid someone from Ohio accidentally access any of our tax funded stuff. |
| 13:25 |
csharp |
and the GALILEO folks are very nice and helpful too |
| 13:26 |
rfrasur |
I think our Inspire people, who are state library people, are, like just about everything at the state library, overworked, underpaid, and essentially told to make all the things work all the time or else. |
| 13:26 |
csharp |
funny how everyone re-invents their own wheels around all that stuff |
| 13:26 |
Dyrcona |
Digital information is free, once it is created and stored in a digital format. Rent seeking gatekeepers hate that. |
| 13:27 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona: and an unfortunate part of being part of the system is that I feel obligated to play by the rules. |
| 13:27 |
jcamins |
Dyrcona: but having used JSTOR personal, I might get a personal JSTOR account and call it a business expense. |
| 13:27 |
jcamins |
'Cause it's that much better than EZProxy. |
| 13:28 |
rfrasur |
jcamins: that's what INspire used to use. I'm not sure if they still do. |
| 13:28 |
jcamins |
Probably. EZProxy makes me want to kill someone. |
| 13:28 |
* Dyrcona |
seems to recall having said something about library software sucking because library standards suck....Oh that was in #koha! |
| 13:29 |
rfrasur |
Well, library standards do suck...but that doesn't mean that libraries have to. Just means that librarians have to actually use their brains instead of relying on someone else to tell them what to do. |
| 13:29 |
jcamins |
rfrasur++ # exactly! |
| 13:30 |
* rfrasur |
has MANY other things to say about certain things but doesn't want people to think that she's ticked at them rather than the institutions that make her consider anarchy from time to time. |
| 13:30 |
rfrasur |
jcamins:what's your poets name? |
| 13:31 |
rfrasur |
s/poets/poet's |
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Dyrcona |
Anarchy rules!!! |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
;) |
| 13:31 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ #because even people that don't need karma deserve it sometimes |
| 13:31 |
jcamins |
He went by Bozhidar, but his actual name was Bogdan Petrovich Gordeev. |
| 13:31 |
jcamins |
I found a great biography in JSTOR. :) |
| 13:33 |
jcamins |
It's by Janacek, too, which makes it doubly excellent. |
| 13:33 |
* rfrasur |
is testing INspire (and all it's Ebsco heavy awesomeness. *cough) |
| 13:35 |
rfrasur |
well, I found a record, but can't view it because apparently the library doesn't have enough permission to access statewide database stuff. |
| 13:36 |
csharp |
@blame walled gardens |
| 13:36 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: walled gardens musta been an Apple employee. |
| 13:36 |
kmlussier |
Massachusetts uses geolocation to authenticate to statewide databases, which is pretty cool. We don't have JSTOR, though. |
| 13:36 |
csharp |
pinesol_green: truedat |
| 13:36 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Try restarting apache. |
| 13:37 |
kmlussier |
Of course, the geolocation never works for me because I live on the state line. Thinks I'm in RI. :( |
| 13:37 |
csharp |
GALILEO uses a similar location feature |
| 13:37 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier: that'd be helpful here for sure, actually considering many rural places rely on wireless internet (the kind with the antenna on the roof) and on the state line, it's hard telling where the signal is coming from. |
| 13:39 |
* rfrasur |
is now sufficiently ticked about having INspire not work IN the library. (No wonder the state wants to defund it) |
| 13:40 |
jcamins |
Aaaarrrrggghhh!!!! Stanford uses Worldcat Local. |
| 13:41 |
* jcamins |
is having a bad day, research-wise. |
| 13:42 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, library catalogs are ugly. in general. |
| 13:42 |
jcamins |
Yeah, but Worldcat Local doesn't include local notes like "Photocopy. Not an actual book." And the good news is that Stanford also has a real catalog. |
| 13:43 |
rfrasur |
what do you mean by real catalog? |
| 13:43 |
* rfrasur |
is looking at Yale's Ex Libris implementation. |
| 13:43 |
jcamins |
Sorry, y'all can go back to talking about Evergreen. I just wanted to ask a public librarian about JSTOR, and rfrasur was the first who came to mind. |
| 13:44 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: one with actual local records displayed. I'm not too picky by now. They have a Vufind installation. |
| 13:44 |
rfrasur |
ah, gotcha |
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* rfrasur |
goes back to writing more action items for long range plan. |
| 13:52 |
rfrasur |
action item #162423414 - make INspire work |
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* jcamins |
: disrupting library policy since *mumble* |
| 13:54 |
rfrasur |
jcamins: please consider that a good trait. I know I do. |
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* rfrasur |
gives candy to all the kids in the library |
| 14:09 |
* RoganH |
has candy on his desk but it's mostly eaten by staff. |
| 14:11 |
rfrasur |
RoganH++ #staff need candy probably more than kids |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
I'm particularly fond of bribing kids so their parents can get homework done...as well as kids that are suspended from school. |
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rfrasur |
well played Amazon/Disney, well played. Only putting up listings for Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital pack for early preorders...then sneaking the DVD only version later. |
| 14:41 |
* rfrasur |
accepts this minor defeat. |
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jcamins |
rfrasur: you don't have a blu-ray collection? |
| 14:41 |
rfrasur |
nope. We don't. |
| 14:42 |
jcamins |
(full disclosure: I have never even seen a blue-ray player) |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
for real? |
| 14:42 |
RoganH |
We only have a few libraries in SCLENDS with blu ray collections. |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
I think it's an inbetween technology and only a small proportion of our users own the players. |
| 14:42 |
RoganH |
I never bought a blue ray player. I went from DVDs to streaming. |
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jcamins |
Well, at the very least, I am unaware of ever having seen a blu-ray player. |
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rfrasur |
RoganH: exactly...and that's kinda what I'm banking on. |
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jcamins |
Unless, I suppose, they come standard on computers and I just thought I had a DVD drive. |
| 14:43 |
RoganH |
jcamins: http://www.gadgetlite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/sony-bdp-s360-blue-ray-player-2.jpg |
| 14:43 |
RoganH |
Problem solved. |
| 14:43 |
jcamins |
lol |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
jcamins, there's that...but they don't come on the walmart laptops that most of our people are buying...not the cheap ones. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
hah, we have TWO blu-ray players and haven't played a blu-ray disc in at least a year if not longer. We just stream through them...although the one is junk and only has netflix and pandora. |
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* rfrasur |
curses it. |
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jcamins |
rfrasur: they don't come standard on my optical drive-free laptop. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
lol, no...they don't. |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
blech. I used the word "mechanism" twice in a sentence. I think there's a law against that. |
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rfrasur |
Google_thesaurus++ |
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Dyrcona |
Gotta love SQL queries with approximately 4 000 barcodes in a not in statement list. |
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RoganH |
Drycona: sometimes by any means necessary |
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Dyrcona |
Well, it is how they gave me the data.... |
| 15:43 |
Dyrcona |
Everything except this goes to storage. |
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* rfrasur |
can do no more. |
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jcamins |
rfrasur: action item #1743234521: train Eliza to write action items. |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
jcamins: yes. |
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* rfrasur |
apparently can do more. |
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* rfrasur |
goes to establish whether staff member has pink eye or not. |
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Dyrcona |
Oh crap. People. Never. Make. Things. Easy. |
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Dyrcona |
Looks like I'll be adding a couple of thousand barcodes to that list. |
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Dyrcona |
My internal clock is telling me that it is time to go home. |
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RoganH |
Coincidentally I have a timer that says the beer I put in the fridge this morning should be at just the right temperature right now and thus time to go home. |
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csharp |
git server is freaking out 100+ system load |
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csharp |
git server's okay now apparently - I'll keep an eye out for trouble |
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dbs |
csharp++ |
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bshum |
csharp++ |
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