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Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged. | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org |
| 10:19 |
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| 10:23 |
csharp |
kmlussier: my impression is that any fields that exist in the record are imported by default (may not understand the question) |
| 10:23 |
kmlussier |
csharp: You understood the question correctly. Thanks! |
| 10:24 |
kmlussier |
I'm hearing that the 040 and 049 haven't been coming over in a recent version of master, but I haven't had a chance to investigate. |
| 10:24 |
csharp |
hmm |
| 10:25 |
csharp |
the z39.50 client perl module (in 2.3.6) doesn't appear to touch the data itself - it just imports a record - what happens after that, I haven't delved there yet |
| 10:26 |
dbs |
kmlussier: that would be surprising, although the "strip fields on import" option is pretty new. Maybe there's an example "strip 040 and 049" default config :) |
| 10:27 |
kmlussier |
dbs: I'll check, but I know they've already set up a "strip fields option," so I'm guessing they would have seen a default option if it were there. |
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| 10:27 |
dbs |
bug 1147712 |
| 10:27 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1147712 in Evergreen "Remove MARC tags during record import" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1147712 |
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| 10:30 |
kmlussier |
Nope, I just checked the fields in their strip fields profile. 040 and 049 are not there. |
| 10:30 |
csharp |
hmm |
| 10:31 |
kmlussier |
I can look into it further here. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't expected behavior for certain fields to be removed. Sounds like it isn't. |
| 10:31 |
dbs |
Definitely not |
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| 11:14 |
eeevil |
kmlussier: some Z services don't export the same records they show in their "opac-ish" UI. OCLC will deliver a different record to different logins based on "profiles" IIRC. just a thought... |
| 11:19 |
kmlussier |
eeevil: ok, we'll check that. Thanks! |
| 11:24 |
bshum |
@hate PO JEDI |
| 11:24 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum hates PO JEDI. |
| 11:25 |
csharp |
@love the Jedi |
| 11:25 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. csharp loves the Jedi. |
| 11:27 |
bshum |
Apparently doing more weird customizations to our PO JEDI to handle B&T's numerous quirks. |
| 11:28 |
kmlussier |
bshum: Should you be blaming PO JEDI for B&T's quirks? |
| 11:28 |
bshum |
kmlussier: This is true. |
| 11:28 |
bshum |
@hate B&T |
| 11:28 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum hates B&T. |
| 11:28 |
csharp |
@hates bshum |
| 11:28 |
pinesol_green |
bshum hates metarecord holds; acquisitions; questions about acquisitions; z39.50; acq; notices; action triggers; marc_export; hold pull lists; drupal; holds; RDA; edi; parts holds; kpac; SIP; parts; marc; RAID; Launchpad; edi troubleshooting; reports; serials; apostrophes in search; server power failures; zimbra; office printer; weird barcodes; PO JEDI; and B&T |
| 11:29 |
csharp |
bshum++ |
| 11:29 |
kmlussier |
@loves bshum |
| 11:29 |
pinesol_green |
bshum loves Evergreen; chocolate chip cookies; git; tpac; yaous; rain; piwik; lunch; and Fridays |
| 11:30 |
kmlussier |
bshum needs to start loving more things. ;) |
| 11:31 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 11:41 |
mllewellyn |
bshum is reacting to a solution B&T got us from an other Evergreen site to deal with AV orders, to "de-enhance" the PO and remove the branch info so they can deal with it at their end. Apparently the library's SAN isn't usable for enhanced AV orders. The library used to edit their EDI files to change the last digit of their SAN before manually FTPing to B&T. |
| 11:42 |
mllewellyn |
Ingram doesn't seem to share this problem. Just saying. |
| 11:43 |
eeevil |
wow ... the scale of problems some materials vendors have with our (pretty spec-ish) EDI, compared to others, is ... telling ... WRT their infrastructure ;) |
| 11:43 |
graced |
heh, I was going to say the same thing |
| 11:45 |
mllewellyn |
It floors me, too. Right now the library has split its workflow so print material is being ordered via EDI, but AV orders are done on the Title Source website. I was hoping to get everything flowing the same way. |
| 11:45 |
bshum |
Let's say I'm just not happy with the idea of modifying our template on a per-account basis and dealing with the fallout of having to maintain said template throughout upgrades. But maybe I'll just make a note to myself and future selfs that B&T is crazy and had us doing weird stuff in the template. |
| 11:45 |
mllewellyn |
Since B&T is doing their cataloging, I don't think I'll have much luck persuading them to switch to Ingram. |
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| 11:55 |
* csharp |
wonders if B&T realizes that this issue alone is making libraries consider switching providers |
| 11:55 |
csharp |
we're not using acq yet, so I don't have direct experience with this |
| 11:56 |
csharp |
on another topic, I'm experimenting with vandelay match sets in 2.3.6 and I'm trying to create an authority match set |
| 11:56 |
mcooper |
anything EDI = instant headache =) |
| 11:56 |
bshum |
mcooper++ # you said it :( |
| 11:56 |
csharp |
when I try, the only option for match set type is 'biblio' and I'm looking for where to configure the match set types |
| 11:56 |
csharp |
anyone know? |
| 11:57 |
csharp |
or are authority match sets not supported in 2.3? |
| 11:57 |
bshum |
kmlussier: See, now you've got me brainstorming things to add to my @love list to balance out my list. |
| 11:57 |
kmlussier |
csharp: authority match sets didn't work, so the option was removed. |
| 11:57 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: IME, the materials vendors all too seem to think that switching ILSs is a free action |
| 11:58 |
mllewellyn |
bshum, there's cake tomorrow. Can you love that? :) |
| 11:58 |
bshum |
Gah! Must fix |
| 11:58 |
bshum |
@love cake |
| 11:58 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. bshum loves cake. |
| 11:58 |
gmcharlt |
mllewellyn++ |
| 11:58 |
kmlussier |
csharp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/867691 |
| 11:58 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 867691 in Evergreen 2.3 "Authority match sets are not working" (affected: 4, heat: 22) [Undecided,Fix released] |
| 11:58 |
csharp |
kmlussier: thanks! |
| 11:59 |
csharp |
gmcharlt: interesting |
| 12:00 |
csharp |
okay - ugh - that probably means we aren't yet able to resume a long-abandoned authority updates project :-/ |
| 12:01 |
csharp |
it has literally been on my to-do list for like 5 years |
| 12:05 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Dyrcona is using a script to load authority records that I believe does matching. http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=jason/backstage.git;a=summary |
| 12:07 |
csharp |
kmlussier: excellent - I will investigate that |
| 12:07 |
csharp |
I'd prefer a CLI tool anyway |
| 12:07 |
* csharp |
is working on getting better perl chops so to write up this kind of thing himself |
| 12:08 |
paxed |
gah. i'm having a total mental breakdown here. how do i make a directory under /openils/var/web/ available to the browser? |
| 12:08 |
csharp |
paxed: configure it in /etc/apache2/eg_vhost.conf? |
| 12:09 |
dbs |
paxed: umm, typically it would just become available as soon as it is created |
| 12:09 |
csharp |
ah |
| 12:09 |
paxed |
yes, that's what i'm doing, and all i'm getting is stupid apache giving me a redirect loop. |
| 12:09 |
paxed |
dbs: so what's the url for a dir under it? |
| 12:09 |
* dbs |
often throws directories or files into /openils/var/web/ to download from a different host |
| 12:10 |
dbs |
paxed: so, /openils/var/web/foobar/foo.html would be http://hostname/foobar/foo.html |
| 12:10 |
jeff_ |
paxed: just don't create /openils/var/web/eg :-) |
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| 12:11 |
dbs |
maybe you have a non-standard apache config mucking things up - or yeah, conflict with existing claimed names :) |
| 12:11 |
paxed |
dbs: right. doesn't work for me.... i wonder wtf is going on here. |
| 12:11 |
dbs |
jeff++ |
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| 12:12 |
paxed |
getting /foo/index.xml/index.xml/index.xml/ .... ffs. |
| 12:13 |
Dyrcona |
Any of the other devs know a way that I could search money payment, but exclude a certain inherited table, say I wanted to skip forgive payment, for example? |
| 12:14 |
Dyrcona |
I was looking at this (http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/ddl-inherit.html) but I doubt that applies to json queries. |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ # MARC::Charset 1.35 |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
Well, maybe I need to rethink my approach. |
| 12:18 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: take a look at money.payment_view |
| 12:18 |
* Dyrcona |
is using his cell phone as a hotspot. |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: Will do. |
| 12:20 |
* dbs |
is reminded to package up the updated MARC::Charset for Fedora |
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| 12:20 |
Dyrcona |
Duh. search_money_payment searches that already. |
| 12:21 |
Dyrcona |
I just need to modify the predicate to say something like {forgive_payment => undef}, right? |
| 12:22 |
senator |
kmlussier++ (mailing list) |
| 12:22 |
gmcharlt |
no, a condition on payement_type |
| 12:22 |
gmcharlt |
(at least wrt to searching the view, I don't have the search_money_payment code up in front of me ATM) |
| 12:22 |
bshum |
kmlussier++ indeed |
| 12:24 |
senator |
i would really like to see somebody with good PR sense confront the FUD in the initial email a little more directly. and also stress that evergreen is not a product for which you should be pleading with some disconnected "you" to deliver solutions, as opposed to getting directly, constructively, involved |
| 12:24 |
senator |
i don't think i'm the ideal author, but may try it later if it still seems like a good idea |
| 12:27 |
kmlussier |
Sure, I didn't address the initial part of the e-mail because I just wanted to quickly point folks to the bug before we saw a flurry of e-mails from folks who want the copy location limiter back. |
| 12:27 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: Thanks. I'll play around with some variations and see what I get. |
| 12:27 |
hopkinsju_ |
Is there a permission that allows a user to override the max holds setting? |
| 12:28 |
Dyrcona |
I'll be back later, maybe. |
| 12:28 |
hopkinsju_ |
i.e. patron already has the max number of holds allowed, staff want to place another hold anyway... |
| 12:29 |
senator |
kmlussier: no i appreciate your quick response there, definitely. if it were up to me to repsond, and i wrote the response i had in mind, the question would have lingered too long |
| 12:30 |
paxed |
ok, so the files are accessible, it just won't show index.html, but redirecting over index.xml/index.xml/index.xml ... grrh. |
| 12:31 |
paxed |
(and explicitly trying for index.html just gives 404 and adds / to the end....) |
| 12:32 |
* paxed |
feels like hulk smash, so i'd better stop. |
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| 12:46 |
kmlussier |
Heads up. Web team meeting starts in 15 minutes. |
| 12:46 |
eeevil |
kmlussier: whoa ... first, yeah, thanks for jumping on that. second, the bigger issue than misinformation about features just disappearing, IMO, is embodied in the statement "This is also critical for retrieving statistical information." ... /me starts a chant of "the opac is not a reporting tool" |
| 12:47 |
eeevil |
(in case anyone was thinking of wading into that thread...) |
| 12:47 |
bshum |
hopkinsju++ #just read your catalog's footer: "Missouri Evergreen is lovingly administered by the good folks at MOBIUS" made me smile. |
| 12:48 |
hopkinsju_ |
bshum: :-) |
| 12:48 |
* kmlussier |
missed that statement. |
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| 13:01 |
kmlussier |
Meeting time |
| 13:01 |
kmlussier |
#startmeeting Evergreen Web Team meeting, 2013-08-15 |
| 13:01 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Aug 15 13:01:19 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is kmlussier. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 13:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_web_team_meeting__2013_08_15' |
| 13:01 |
graced |
yes ma'am |
| 13:01 |
kmlussier |
We need to get through this meeting in an hour because the EOB is meeting at 2 p.m. |
| 13:01 |
kmlussier |
#info agenda is at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=webteam:meetings:agenda:2013-08-15 |
| 13:01 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier++ # endurance |
| 13:01 |
kmlussier |
#topic Introductions |
| 13:02 |
moodaepo |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:02 |
kmlussier |
Everyone can introduce themselves with the #info command. |
| 13:02 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 13:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 13:02 |
moodaepo |
#info moodaepo is Anoop Atre, ESI |
| 13:02 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox Software |
| 13:02 |
kbutler |
#info kbutler is Kate Butler, Rodgers Memorial |
| 13:02 |
RoganH |
#info RoganH = Rogan Hamby, SCLENDS |
| 13:02 |
CarrieC |
#info Carriec is Carrie Curie, PALS |
| 13:02 |
bshum |
#info bshum is Ben Shum, Bibliomation |
| 13:03 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library/Evergreen Indiana |
| 13:03 |
kmlussier |
Ok, let's move on and people can keep introducing themselves as they arrive. |
| 13:04 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga (guest) |
| 13:04 |
kmlussier |
#topic Action items from last meeting |
| 13:04 |
kmlussier |
#info action items were (a) moodaepo to e-mail link to test site to the list for feedback, (b) StephenGWills to work on member directory/map for web site. (c) hbrennan and kmlussier to work on layout/design issues for downloads page. (d) kmlussier will send out another Doodle to schedule a regular meeting time. |
| 13:05 |
kmlussier |
moodaepo: Your action item is up first. Anything to report? |
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| 13:05 |
moodaepo |
kmlussier: bshum is the man with the test server plan. I haven't emailed it out yet but if he gives the go ahead I will do so today. |
| 13:05 |
kmlussier |
ok, bshum will be giving an update further down in the agenda. |
| 13:05 |
bshum |
kmlussier: It's an old agenda item, we're probably past test server at this point. |
| 13:06 |
moodaepo |
bshum++ |
| 13:06 |
kmlussier |
StephenGWills isn't here, so let's table his action item until we see him again. |
| 13:07 |
kmlussier |
For my action items, I made contact with hbrennan on downloads page, but my vacation got in the way. We'll touch base and report back to the web team list. |
| 13:07 |
kmlussier |
And I obviously sent a Doodle poll to set a date for this meeting. :) |
| 13:08 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
#info action item from last meeting Rogan_ to send e-mail to general list seeking volunteers for content editors / website librarians. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
Which he did - http://markmail.org/message/bekrw4m7w2ttnktf |
| 13:08 |
RoganH |
It was not a marvel of modern literature but it accomplished the goal. |
| 13:08 |
RoganH |
We've had some wonderful interest pop up, some of whom have joined us here today. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
And we can talk more about the content editors later in the meeting, but I see some new names here. |
| 13:08 |
kmlussier |
Welcome! |
| 13:09 |
RoganH |
When we get to the content section maybe introductions and discuss interests there? |
| 13:09 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: I also received an e-mail from Gordana saying she is still interested, but wasn't able to attend today. |
| 13:10 |
RoganH |
That's good, then. Schedules won't always permit of course. |
| 13:10 |
kmlussier |
#topic Update on Word Press conversion. |
| 13:10 |
kmlussier |
bshum? |
| 13:10 |
bshum |
So, the Wordpress conversion was supposed to happen at the end of July (two weeks ago) |
| 13:11 |
bshum |
But I'll admit failure on my part to follow through due to varying circumstances. (like broken internets and power outages) |
| 13:11 |
bshum |
Along the way, I've been finding more things to convert and changeover as I go too. |
| 13:11 |
RoganH |
Obviously, those are beyond your control. |
| 13:11 |
bshum |
One thing that's still outstanding is dealing with meeting minutes, but I have some ideas on that which I presented to gmcharlt and moodaepo. |
| 13:12 |
bshum |
The downloads page is still under construction, but I think we'll have to build something temporary based on existing conventions until kmlussier and hbrennan (and others?) work out some new ideas for that. |
| 13:12 |
hbrennan |
I believe StephenGWills had ideas as well |
| 13:13 |
kmlussier |
I haven't seen StephenGWills around lately, but he's on the web team list. Maybe if we kick off the discusison there, he'll chime in. |
| 13:14 |
RoganH |
StephenGWills has been pretty busy. I chatted with him last night so he is around and popping into IRC. |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
In the meantime, I'd like to set a new transition date to aim for (and hopefully do) |
| 13:14 |
bshum |
I'm working around some hectic scheduling of my own. |
| 13:15 |
kmlussier |
bshum: What would be a good transition date? |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
kmlussier: Realistically I'm going to beg for some leeway here and ask for perhaps next weekend. |
| 13:16 |
gmcharlt |
+1 # no need to beg, though |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
Like... err, August 25? |
| 13:16 |
RoganH |
We're not under the gun, do you want to go into September? |
| 13:16 |
kmlussier |
What gmcharlt said. You're volunteering your time - no begging required. :) |
| 13:16 |
rfrasur |
bshum: RoganH's suggestion is good. I'd also +1 for September |
| 13:17 |
kmlussier |
September is good. The only thing we're under the gun for is the conference web page, which was waiting on the Wordpress conversion. |
| 13:17 |
RoganH |
You have a lot on your plate, why don't you take some buffer room or do you feel like you need a tight deadline for masochistic reasons? |
| 13:17 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier: When do you REALLY want the conference web page up? |
| 13:17 |
kmlussier |
But if the conversion is a bigger time commitment than expected, we can pursue alternate plans for the conference web site if we have to. |
| 13:18 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Well, our timeline said August 1. But, with the delay in the contrac signing, we wouldn't have been ready then anyway. |
| 13:19 |
rfrasur |
gotcha. Would September 1 be okay? |
| 13:19 |
kmlussier |
But with program solicitations happening beginning of September and registration starting soon after, we'll really need something in September. |
| 13:19 |
kmlussier |
Yes, September 1 works. |
| 13:19 |
rfrasur |
bshum: does that give you comfortable cushion? |
| 13:19 |
bshum |
Alright, I'll set myself a working date for then. |
| 13:19 |
kmlussier |
bshum: Are there any things people can help with? I know moodaepo is already helping. |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
kmlussier: Yes, moodaepo has been helpful. I think too many cooks could complicate matters, but I'll probably be running some more transition questions out to folks. I'll use the team list instead so that folks know what's happening perhaps? |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
(and can contribute) |
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| 13:21 |
kmlussier |
Sounds good |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
Oh, one tidbit of course |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
I'm still playing around with finding more themes that'll work with Wordpress. |
| 13:22 |
bshum |
The big thing that's been a stumbler has been finding ones that work with no-JS |
| 13:22 |
bshum |
Though with Firefox 23 removing the option for no-JS and setting everybody back to using it, I have wondered about that limitation long-term. |
| 13:23 |
RoganH |
I personally don't see many users living without JS. |
| 13:23 |
RoganH |
Very, very few. |
| 13:23 |
bshum |
Maybe given the new timeline, if moodaepo gets around to sending out the link to the test site, we can solicit ideas for improving the existing theme or picking some new ones. |
| 13:23 |
bshum |
#link Link to current test site for notes: http://wp.evergreen-ils.org |
| 13:23 |
gmcharlt |
I was one of the ones who had a expressed a non-JS concern -- but the main issue was that (IIRC) one of the initial themes that was tested *completely* failed to work without JS |
| 13:24 |
moodaepo |
bshum: I can send out the link and maybe the couple of themes we've looked at also but require javascript for full functionality |
| 13:24 |
gmcharlt |
as no, no content was rendered |
| 13:24 |
bshum |
gmcharlt: Right, that was an unfortunate bad theme. |
| 13:24 |
kmlussier |
I think it's fine to use a theme with javascript as long as it doesn't totally fail with no javascript. |
| 13:24 |
bshum |
But I know I've ruled out tons of other themes because of tiny glitches with the menu rendering in no-JS browsers. |
| 13:25 |
bshum |
If we're okay with some level of quirks, I guess that's my question. |
| 13:25 |
RoganH |
I think so long as content is largely accessible but we lose some bells and whistles if JS isn't present I'm ok with that compromise. |
| 13:25 |
bshum |
As long as it's not a blank page. Of course. |
| 13:25 |
bshum |
:D |
| 13:25 |
gmcharlt |
bshum: I'm fine with some quirks, and I apologize if I inadvertantly pushed you down a garden path |
| 13:25 |
kmlussier |
I think quirks are okay. |
| 13:25 |
RoganH |
I think most designers expect Javascript and absolutely none will paint us into a corner. |
| 13:26 |
kmlussier |
#agree New transition date for WordPress conversion is September 1. |
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| 13:26 |
kmlussier |
Anything else on the WordPress switchover? |
| 13:27 |
kmlussier |
#topic Content editors / website librarians |
| 13:27 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: Do you want to start us off on this topic? |
| 13:27 |
RoganH |
I'd like to start off by welcoming our new participants. |
| 13:28 |
RoganH |
I put out a call for fresh blood saying that this was a good place for people looking to contribute to make a real impact on the community. |
| 13:28 |
RoganH |
One thing I asked each to do was think a little bit about what they would like to do on the website. |
| 13:28 |
georgerc |
Hi. Sorry to pop in late. I'm George in La Conner, WA. |
| 13:28 |
RoganH |
So, I'd like to give them a moment to introduce themselves. |
| 13:28 |
RoganH |
And maybe say something about what their interests are and how they feel their skills will work as a part of the web team. |
| 13:29 |
RoganH |
Don't be shy. :) |
| 13:29 |
moodaepo |
georgerc: Welcome and want to take RoganH up on introducing yourself :) |
| 13:29 |
georgerc |
(thinking) |
| 13:30 |
georgerc |
I'm interested in helping out wherever I can. My main strengths are in adding and updating content. |
| 13:31 |
RoganH |
While folks are thinking I wanted to say that one of things we need to do, and will probably need to do on list is start divying up the web site to assign editors. |
| 13:31 |
bradl |
just wanted to say we've come a long ways on the website --> http://web.archive.org/web/20041129173704/http://www.open-ils.org/ |
| 13:31 |
bradl |
yousa_guys++ |
| 13:31 |
RoganH |
Yousa is right. :) |
| 13:31 |
kmlussier |
bradl++ |
| 13:32 |
rfrasur |
bradl++ |
| 13:32 |
RoganH |
And what the interests of the possible editors are will influence how we decide to do those divisions. |
| 13:32 |
CarrieC |
Hi, I am new to evergreen (less than a year), so I have experience finding things with no ideas as to where they are (or were) |
| 13:32 |
moodaepo |
Thanks georgerc CarrieC or anyone else? |
| 13:33 |
rfrasur |
CarrieC++ #an essential skill |
| 13:33 |
kbutler |
We just transitioned to Evergreen in May, so we are (at least I am) looking for ways to get involved with the community in general. |
| 13:33 |
hbrennan |
hbrennan is Holly Brennan, Homer Public Library, Alaska |
| 13:33 |
georgerc |
I'm new to libraries, so I'm not picky. I've done software documentation before, as well as some technical writing, so looking at a list of what needs to be done would be best for me. |
| 13:33 |
hbrennan |
I have attended a few mtgs, but our library just went live with Evergreen in March |
| 13:33 |
RoganH |
I have a proposal. |
| 13:33 |
graced |
Since I am generally involved in development I think I can help with the developer-y areas and make things more lay-person friendly where necessary. I can also assist with vendor page - in fact, I think I promised kmlussier I would do that. |
| 13:34 |
kbutler |
One thing that has been hard for us is the scattered nature of some of the info. It has been tough finding exactly what we want in many cases. |
| 13:34 |
hbrennan |
I can contribute with my newbie view as well |
| 13:34 |
kmlussier |
graced: Yes, you did. And I haven't forgotten. :) |
| 13:34 |
RoganH |
I will come up with a completely arbitrary and only somewhat random way to divide up the site into editorial categories. |
| 13:34 |
RoganH |
I can post that to the list and we can start picking it apart. |
| 13:34 |
* graced |
will never escape kmlussier's grasp |
| 13:34 |
rfrasur |
I like the "completely arbitrary" designation |
| 13:35 |
kbutler |
RoganH: completely arbitrary is a legitimate starting place. :D |
| 13:35 |
RoganH |
That would give us a starting place, however flawed it might (and is likely) be. |
| 13:35 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: At the last meeting, was there a mention of one Super-Editor who would do the divvying with other content editors who take charge of certain spots? |
| 13:35 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: Or are you volunteering to be that super editor. |
| 13:35 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: yes, an editor in chief. |
| 13:36 |
RoganH |
I will take that role if we need someone to organize but I don't feel an emotional attachment to the role. |
| 13:36 |
RoganH |
And I think part of that should be trying to hold an ongoing dialogue with the community about the role and voice of the website. |
| 13:37 |
RoganH |
Much like an editor in chief does with the owners of a paper. |
| 13:37 |
georgerc |
That's a great idea. Is there a "how are we doing" page? |
| 13:38 |
RoganH |
That's something we've talked about in broader strokes. |
| 13:38 |
RoganH |
More introductory information, some PR / advocacy kind of element. |
| 13:38 |
RoganH |
I'm of the opinion we should do more in that arena. |
| 13:38 |
hbrennan |
Just a simple change to this line on the website would be good: For info, send email to webteam evergreen-ils.org |
| 13:38 |
hbrennan |
add "and questions/comments" |
| 13:39 |
rfrasur |
good idea, hbrennan |
| 13:39 |
hbrennan |
I don't want to use that email unless I feel I have important info to tell the group about |
| 13:40 |
georgerc |
The less work they have to do the better, and more likely we'll get feedback. |
| 13:41 |
kmlussier |
BTW - at this time, I think I'm the only person who receives e-mail from that address. Should we point people to the web team listserv instead? |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
+1 to sending the email to the listserv |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
So it can be a collaborative response. |
| 13:41 |
rfrasur |
+1 also for sending to listserv |
| 13:41 |
graced |
+1 |
| 13:41 |
kbutler |
+1 |
| 13:42 |
kmlussier |
OK, I'll update that page when we're done. |
| 13:42 |
rfrasur |
I'm not sure the amount of burden that it is for you right now kmlussier, but hopefully with more people using it...it WOULD be...but won't be...providing it's going to listserv instead of your inbox |
| 13:42 |
RoganH |
Hopefully we are going through a transition to get more people involved in every aspect. |
| 13:43 |
rfrasur |
'xactly |
| 13:43 |
hbrennan |
Speaking of listservs, I found it hard to find the place to sign up |
| 13:43 |
kmlussier |
Honestly, that was switched over to me a few weeks ago, and I've received nothing. |
| 13:44 |
hbrennan |
It would be great to have one very small page with all the opportunities to sign up for lists |
| 13:44 |
hbrennan |
without too much info on the groups |
| 13:44 |
RoganH |
It's difficult, there is a list of the listservs but I don't think the web one is on it. |
| 13:44 |
RoganH |
You can guess it and the url manually resolves. |
| 13:44 |
kmlussier |
http://evergreen-ils.org/listserv.php |
| 13:44 |
hbrennan |
I don't think I'm even on the Web one... |
| 13:44 |
kmlussier |
Web team should be there. |
| 13:44 |
hbrennan |
Ahhh.. I expected it to be with Contribute, not Communicate |
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kmlussier |
We have about 15 minutes left. |
| 13:45 |
bshum |
It's there too |
| 13:46 |
georgerc |
Web team is there, but how to join? (I only see archives) |
| 13:46 |
rfrasur |
I think it's just a matter of sending an email with SUBSCRIBE in the subject...but that should be documented. |
| 13:46 |
hbrennan |
Could this page be linked under Contribute as well? Reworded as "Sign up!" or something |
| 13:46 |
bshum |
hbrennan: Under contribute --> join committees & working groups (which leads you to a wiki page, that leads you to the webteam wiki page, which has a link to the mailing list) |
| 13:46 |
kmlussier |
georgerc: Ah, you're right. |
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bshum |
But that's something I hope to change in the near distant future. |
| 13:47 |
dbs |
Also, the archives page leads to an about this list page which offers the subscribe form. |
| 13:47 |
kmlussier |
The link should be changed to go to the main mailing list page as it does with the others. |
| 13:47 |
bshum |
One of the goals of switching us to Wordpress was cleaning up and consolidating the menus |
| 13:47 |
bshum |
kmlussier: That might be a remnant from when it was a private list controlled by the communications committee. |
| 13:47 |
dbs |
Perhaps the web team was attempting to dissuage anyone from joining :) |
| 13:47 |
* bshum |
whips a patch to fix that. |
| 13:47 |
georgerc |
thanks, bshum. I have to hop off to open up the library. I'll join the list and look forward to the list of editing categories. Cheers! |
| 13:47 |
bshum |
(later) |
| 13:47 |
rfrasur |
dbs++ |
| 13:48 |
bshum |
Yeah, what dbs said :( |
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rfrasur |
a little bit Hansel and Gretel - a little bit Dorothy. |
| 13:48 |
kmlussier |
Ok, I'm seeing one action item from this discussion for RoganH to break down the web site into editorial categories and send it out to the mailing list. Anything else we need to act on now? |
| 13:50 |
CarrieC |
will we need to check that the subscribe link is on the website? |
| 13:50 |
kmlussier |
#action RoganH will break down the web site into editorial categories and send it out to the mailing list. |
| 13:50 |
CarrieC |
or has bshum made that happen already :) |
| 13:50 |
kmlussier |
If bshum hasn't made it happen already, I'm sure he will soon. :) |
| 13:51 |
RoganH |
Bshum wrote a perl script to write a bash action to do that while we were still typing. |
| 13:51 |
kmlussier |
I'm going to move on to the next topic since EOB will be here soon. |
| 13:51 |
kmlussier |
#topic Hosting of Conference Web Sites |
| 13:51 |
rfrasur |
bshum++ #bash action (whatever that is) |
| 13:51 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: That's you again. |
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RoganH |
Quick: SEREC |
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RoganH |
south eastern regional evergreen conference |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
What I would like to do is host it on the community site off a subdomain, say souteast2014.open-ils.org |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
Any objection? |
| 13:52 |
hbrennan |
Thank you for decoding that, RoganH |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
I would probably use the same template as the main site but maybe different colors and graphics. |
| 13:52 |
kmlussier |
Can it be evergreen-ils.org? |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
And then keep with the community all the content archived there like presentations. |
| 13:52 |
kbutler |
+1 for hosting. I was sad when I went to find a presentation from the 2012 international conf and the site was gone. |
| 13:53 |
RoganH |
kbutler: I did too. I think dbs did as well. |
| 13:53 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: no objection |
| 13:53 |
rfrasur |
I'd also like to see it with the evergreen-ils.org, but I really like the idea of the subdomain. |
| 13:53 |
RoganH |
I'm just used to typing in open-ils.org as habit so I think of that url. |
| 13:54 |
RoganH |
Using evergreen-ils.org is fine. |
| 13:54 |
kmlussier |
I have no objections. |
| 13:54 |
RoganH |
Do we need a vote? :) |
| 13:54 |
gmcharlt |
no objections to RoganH's proposal |
| 13:55 |
RoganH |
No objections so I will assume it's a done deal. |
| 13:55 |
rfrasur |
+1 to hosting the regional conference(s) website(s) |
| 13:55 |
kmlussier |
I don't think we need a formal vote. It looks like everyone's okay with it. |
| 13:55 |
RoganH |
+1 to everyone that agrees with me, about anything |
| 13:55 |
RoganH |
I'm done. |
| 13:55 |
kmlussier |
#topic Web Team Meeting dates |
| 13:55 |
rfrasur |
:D |
| 13:55 |
kmlussier |
Real quick. |
| 13:56 |
kmlussier |
My plan was to use the Doodle to set the regular meeting date for the web team. |
| 13:56 |
hbrennan |
I like Doodle +1 |
| 13:56 |
kmlussier |
However, if we continue to hold it on the 3rd Thursday of the month, we will always be bumping up against EOB. |
| 13:56 |
kmlussier |
Which means we can never run over. Might be a good thing. |
| 13:56 |
RoganH |
That would make it easier for me to remember, actually. :) And less possible for my evil calendar to make me miss it. |
| 13:56 |
kmlussier |
Should I take another stab at setting a regular meeting time so that we aren't so close to the EOB meetings. |
| 13:57 |
hbrennan |
As the only Alaskan here, this time works for me |
| 13:57 |
gmcharlt |
Alaska++ |
| 13:57 |
RoganH |
Seriously my calendar is possessed by a Babylonian trickster deity. So, +1 to keeping it adjacent to the EOB. |
| 13:57 |
* bshum |
isn't on the board, so the question is more for folks who are, I think. |
| 13:57 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier: Maybe try another Doodle poll and see how the results come back...and go from there? Maybe tweak it a little for time frame roominess? |
| 13:57 |
hbrennan |
I'm flexible on days, but I can't go much earlier than 2pm Eastern |
| 13:57 |
kmlussier |
RoganH, gmcharlt, and I are the only ones who need to be at both. I don't mind doing two meetings in a row. |
| 13:57 |
hbrennan |
or 1pm |
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kmlussier |
rfrasur: Yeah, it was already tweaked for time zones. 1-4 p.m. EDT is what I was shooting for. |
| 13:58 |
* rfrasur |
likes this time though |
| 13:58 |
kmlussier |
Let's stick with this time then and just make sure we don't get chatty. |
| 13:58 |
kmlussier |
And with that... |
| 13:58 |
bshum |
+1 |
| 13:58 |
kmlussier |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 13:58:48 2013 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-13.01.html |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-13.01.txt |
| 13:58 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-13.01.log.html |
| 13:58 |
hbrennan |
+1 |
| 13:58 |
moodaepo |
+1 |
| 13:58 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:58 |
bshum |
And kmlussier++ for being our leade |
| 13:58 |
bshum |
*leader |
| 13:59 |
moodaepo |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
* kmlussier |
steps a way for a few minutes before the EOB meeting. |
| 13:59 |
RoganH |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
CarrieC |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
kbutler |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:59 |
moodaepo |
@karma kmlussier |
| 13:59 |
pinesol_green |
moodaepo: Karma for "kmlussier" has been increased 242 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 242. |
| 13:59 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen_website|Ben Shum] Update Web-Team mailing list entry on listserv page - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen_Website.git;a=commit;h=289129b> |
| 14:00 |
bshum |
CarrieC: See above and refresh the listserv page to see the new link. |
| 14:00 |
gmcharlt |
I will be starting the EOB meeting momentarily |
| 14:00 |
hbrennan |
bshum++ Thanks! |
| 14:00 |
CarrieC |
Cool! Thanks! |
| 14:01 |
graced |
bshum++ |
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gmcharlt |
#start_meeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, 15 August 2013 |
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gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, 15 August 2013 |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Aug 15 14:02:33 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__15_august_2013' |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info Agenda is at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2013-8-15 |
| 14:02 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:03 |
RoganH |
#info RoganH = Rogan Hamby, SCLENDS |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
EOB members, please use #info to identify yourselves |
| 14:03 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
#info yboston - Yamil Suarez - Berklee College of Music |
| 14:03 |
montgoc1 |
#info montgoc1= Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries |
| 14:03 |
benhyman |
#info benhyman Ben Hyman, BC Libraries Co-op / Sitka |
| 14:03 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 14:03 |
emckinney |
#info emckinney = elizabeth mckinney |
| 14:04 |
elfsts |
#info Step[hen Elfstrand PALS |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library/Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
thanks, we have a quorum |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Action items from previous meeting |
| 14:05 |
abneiman |
note -- apologies to the board, if I am distracted at first, I am still on desk!! >_< |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
all three action items listed at http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-07-18-14.05.html were completed |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
the last two are the topics of agenda items |
| 14:06 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation (guest) |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
while the financial summary was sent after the July meeting |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
so, moving on |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Financial summary |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#info Current financial summary is at http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-August/000530.html |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#info No change to the bottom line since July |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
any questions? |
| 14:07 |
RoganH |
None. |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
none from me |
| 14:07 |
benhyman |
Do we know if SFC successfully applied for tax rebates from egcon 2013? |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
benhyman: no, I do not know |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
#action gmcharlt will ask Conservancy regarding the status of tax rebates from the 2013 conference |
| 14:09 |
benhyman |
gmcharlt: thanks - let me know if I can provide any docu |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen 2014 Conference Committee Report |
| 14:10 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: afterl: your floor |
| 14:10 |
kmlussier |
We have a signed contract, so it's official! The conference will be held from March 19 to 22 at the Boston Marriott Cambridge Hotel. |
| 14:10 |
afterl |
Woo hoo! |
| 14:10 |
RoganH |
Woot! |
| 14:10 |
kmlussier |
We'll be right next door to M.I.T. and Google's Cambridge headquarters. |
| 14:10 |
RoganH |
Do we get a tour of Google? |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
#info Contract with the conference hotel is signed |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
#info The conference will be held from March 19 to 22 2014 at the Boston Marriott Cambridge Hotel. |
| 14:11 |
afterl |
The social activities committee spent the day on Tuesday scouting out fun locations for after activities |
| 14:11 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: If you want a tour of Google, add it as a suggestiong on our pre-conference survey. |
| 14:11 |
rfrasur |
RoganH++ #tour of Google |
| 14:11 |
* rfrasur |
already submitted survey :-( |
| 14:12 |
RoganH |
I did too and don't think we should double dip. :( |
| 14:12 |
kmlussier |
We have sent out a pre-conference survey to get feedback on session topics, schedules, and local activities. |
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| 14:13 |
abneiman |
kmlussier: have you had good response on the pre-conference survey so far? |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
yboston, afterl are on local activities committee, so can probably bring back the suggestion to the larger committee. :) |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
#info pre-conference survey is at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7LXW35V. |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
abneiman: I don't know. graced actually set up the survey for us. |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
graced++ |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
I was planning to check in with her later in the week to see how the response was. |
| 14:13 |
graced |
27 responses so far |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
The sponsorship categories have been approved by the SFC; we will be approaching potential sponsors later this month. |
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| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
The program committee has also be talking about the solicitation process. We're considering a more open process this year where the proposals are shared with the community who can then +1 the proposals that they like. |
| 14:14 |
kmlussier |
As one criteria to be used in selection. |
| 14:15 |
abneiman |
thanks graced++ |
| 14:15 |
graced |
np |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
I think that's everything, unless afterl can think of anything that we may not have mentioned already. |
| 14:16 |
afterl |
I don't think so. |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
any questions for kmlussier and afterl? |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
ok, moving on |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Discussion of support provider listing policy proposal |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
#info proposed support provider listing policy is at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_companies:listing_policy |
| 14:18 |
RoganH |
This is pretty much a clone of the Koha policy if I remember it correctly. +1 to adopting this. |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
I'll interpret that as a motion to adopt it |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
is there a second? |
| 14:18 |
montgoc1 |
I'll second. |
| 14:18 |
abneiman |
Second. Very simple, clear, and easy to understand. |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
discussion before I call a vote? |
| 14:19 |
benhyman |
second |
| 14:19 |
benhyman |
doh. abneiman must be off the desk - fast! |
| 14:20 |
abneiman |
haha I did finally get relieved from Ref at 215p :) |
| 14:20 |
gmcharlt |
OK, no discussion, so ... |
| 14:20 |
gmcharlt |
#startvote Should the proposed support provider listing policy be adopted? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:20 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Should the proposed support provider listing policy be adopted? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:20 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:20 |
RoganH |
#vote Yes |
| 14:20 |
emckinney |
#vote YES |
| 14:20 |
montgoc1 |
#vote Yes |
| 14:20 |
abneiman |
#vote yes |
| 14:20 |
benhyman |
#vote Yes |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
#vote Yes |
| 14:20 |
kmlussier |
#vote Yes |
| 14:20 |
elfsts |
+1 |
| 14:20 |
elfsts |
will we be discussing ideas about a paid advertising or "sponsorship" listing to raise miney |
| 14:21 |
elfsts |
money I mean mot miney |
| 14:21 |
elfsts |
#vote YES |
| 14:21 |
gmcharlt |
#vote Yes |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
#endvote |
| 14:22 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Should the proposed support provider listing policy be adopted?" Results are |
| 14:22 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (9): kmlussier, yboston, RoganH, montgoc1, gmcharlt, emckinney, benhyman, elfsts, abneiman |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
#agreed The support provider listing policy at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_companies:listing_policy is adopted |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
elfsts: to answer your question, if time permits before the meeting ends, we can discuss here |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
I have a question about implementing the policy -- do we wish to start with a blank slate? |
| 14:24 |
RoganH |
I think so. |
| 14:24 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: I've been thinking about that. I think so. |
| 14:24 |
elfsts |
yes only fair way |
| 14:24 |
kmlussier |
Maybe send out an e-mail with this new policy and give providers a deadline for sending an e-mail to the list. |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
it would let us practice the addition process |
| 14:25 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: no need for a deadline, per se, I think -- just set a date on which the list will be blanked and replaced by whoever has submitted listings |
| 14:25 |
abneiman |
Agreed with blank slate. Do we contact current providers individually or put it out to the list and let them respond? |
| 14:26 |
kmlussier |
I'm inclined to just put it out on the list. |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:26 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: +1 |
| 14:26 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: +1 |
| 14:26 |
RoganH |
Any objections? |
| 14:27 |
montgoc1 |
No. Sounds good. |
| 14:27 |
abneiman |
none here |
| 14:27 |
gmcharlt |
OK, who will take care of setting a date and sending the email? |
| 14:29 |
* kmlussier |
raises her hand. |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
I can, as long as I'm not stepping on Kathy's toes. |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
LOL. |
| 14:29 |
kmlussier |
Oh, no, Feel free. Really |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
My toes will never be stepped on. :) |
| 14:30 |
RoganH |
Kathy has very small toes. |
| 14:30 |
RoganH |
You'll miss them easily. |
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| 14:30 |
gmcharlt |
#agreed abneiman will set a date for clearing the provider list and issue a call for listing requests to the Evergreen mailing list |
| 14:31 |
abneiman |
No problem.... :) deadline, end of August? or end of September? I'm inclined to the former, but I know that it's summer vacation time for a lot of people. |
| 14:31 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Grants and fundraising |
| 14:31 |
gmcharlt |
abneiman: end of August gives a couple weeks, which suffices IMO |
| 14:31 |
StephenGWills |
#info Steve Wills, Balsam Consortium is late |
| 14:32 |
RoganH |
Well, Kathy and I have spent some time looking at grants that Evergreen as a community would qualify for. |
| 14:32 |
RoganH |
I think there are some great opprotunities out there. |
| 14:33 |
RoganH |
Including those that address patrons with adaptive and rural access needs. |
| 14:33 |
RoganH |
However, those of any size will need some matching funds. Some can be volunteered by in kind time but we will definitely need to build funds before we can apply for most of them. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
We've started tracking the grant opportunities in a Google spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar4gDMUDwDXqdFNOcllSNklDZHFxdnFuRk9BMndKUXc&usp=sharing |
| 14:34 |
RoganH |
The fund raising will probably be a long term project we will need well underway before we can apply for grants of any significant size but they are out there from private and governmental sources. |
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| 14:34 |
gmcharlt |
#info List of potential grant opportunities for Evergreen is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar4gDMUDwDXqdFNOcllSNklDZHFxdnFuRk9BMndKUXc&usp=sharing |
| 14:34 |
RoganH |
For example: building on top of the Loblolly work done in GA would make us eligible for significant funds for special needs communities and information access while also benefiting a wide group of patrons. |
| 14:35 |
RoganH |
Grants focused to rural users would benefit anyone who has to do outreach or has similar holds filling issues. And those oriented towards low income populations we often would qualify as open source software and bringing new features in their reach. |
| 14:36 |
RoganH |
I won't repeat what is in the spreadsheet but we think there are long term real possiblities. |
| 14:37 |
gmcharlt |
RoganH: one omission that jumps out at me -- IMLS -- is that because it just hasn't been gotten around to yet or is there reason to believe that they wouldn't be an option? |
| 14:37 |
RoganH |
Any questions? This is really a research and very, very preliminary phase. |
| 14:38 |
RoganH |
We have looked at the IMLS grants. Most have very specific requirements. I do think there are opportunities there but they will be dependent on tax filing status that we will need to talk to Tony about. |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: We weren't sure that Evergreen could apply for IMLS under the SFC. Seemed like something that would need to be done by individual libraries, consortia or state systems. |
| 14:38 |
emckinney |
I also wondered about IMLS |
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| 14:38 |
RoganH |
Or we would have to become a library 501c3. Which maybe we can. |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: thanks for clarifying |
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| 14:40 |
RoganH |
I think there are some opportunities for working with IMLS, especially their talking book programs that could be win / wins for everyone. |
| 14:40 |
RoganH |
I think there are some opportunities for working with IMLS, especially their talking book programs that could be win / wins for everyone. |
| 14:40 |
RoganH |
Sorry, I got kicked for a second. We're having some network issues. |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
no problem |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
RoganH++ |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
not hearing any more questions, I'll move on |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Backfilling Evergreen's documentation |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
yboston: the floor is yours |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
gracias |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
Galen approached me to about DIG practices for dealing with Documentation has never been created for certain Evergreen features, |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
In the couple of years I have been involved, DIG has focused in general on adding documentation for brand new features, and moving older existing documentation to the latest EG manual version. On occasion some volunteers have decided on their own to create documentation for a particular undocumented feature, but this does not happen often. |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
I have always wondered if we could as community raise funds to sponsor an EG community member or documentation professional to help with documentation gaps like this or to mass convert old documentation to our newer AsciiDoc format. |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
Galen and I discussed that we assume would take a lot of training to get a non-EG user / community member to be able to below its documentation. This has been the case when I have worked with MLS interns that needed a lot of training, but there could be exceptions to this with some knowledgeable professionals. |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
While discussing this issue with Galen I suggested that some off-the-cuff ways that we can try to help fund documentation work is to somehow subsidize the costs for a community member to be able to attend existing developer events so that they can collaborate with developers face to face (or online) to be able to better compete documentation. this could be by helping pay for a hotel night so they can attend the hackfest day of the conference, or |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
pay for transportation to attend the multi-day developer hack-a-way. Of course there would need to be a written agreement that a certain amount of documentation needs to be completed if the subsidy is provided to attend these events. |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
For the record, some of my ideas are inspired by hearing of other open source projects that have paid for a developer to take a sabbatical to work on a specific community project/need. |
| 14:43 |
RoganH |
Where do you envision funds coming from? And how far out would you like to see us able to act on this? |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
I have only had the idea that requires funds, I have not begun to think about how to acquire them :( |
| 14:44 |
RoganH |
If this were a kickstarter I'd toss funds in. I like the idea of having someone in this role. |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
on the large end of the doc-writing task, it would be a potential specific project to write a grant for |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
the kickstarter(ish) idea is interesting too |
| 14:45 |
RoganH |
Absolutely. If we had someone whose work could contribute some of their time that would help with in kind a lot too. |
| 14:45 |
RoganH |
I've wondered if kickstarter could get momentum for small scale fundraising (even small scale development). |
| 14:46 |
gmcharlt |
on the smaller end (e.g., subsidization of a hotel or some sort of conference scholarship), that might just be at the level where the project coffers could cover it |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
Have you considered paying current or former community members to do the documentation on their own time? Rather than subsidizing travel expenses? |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
kmlussier: that has crossed my mind |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
I also suggested on the list to have documentation bounties |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
I think it's a good idea, but I'm wondering how much this person would get out of the hackfest when developers are focused on their hacking. |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
Though it might be worthwhile to give it a try to see how it goes. |
| 14:48 |
emckinney |
Do we have any potential candidates for doing this? |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I am concerned about that too, but when I try to create documentation I sometimes just need to ask only a handful of questions to make progress |
| 14:49 |
* kmlussier |
nods. |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
I have thought of contacting at least two of my former interns, and I wondered what Karen Collier was up to (former DIG meeting facilitator) |
| 14:51 |
gmcharlt |
yboston: would you undertake an action item to come up with a couple concrete proposals for the EOB to consider? |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
I have a lot of vacation days and would be interested in being involved, but since I am a board member I will remain an unpaid volunteer |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
gmcharlt: yes |
| 14:51 |
abneiman |
It may be worth asking Karen -- last I talked with her she was pretty busy though. |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 14:52 |
RoganH |
yboston++ |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
abneiman: send her my regards anyway |
| 14:52 |
abneiman |
yboston: will do! she loved her Evergreen tshirt :) |
| 14:53 |
gmcharlt |
yboston: I know there are some other not-currently-active community members, namely sfortin, who might be intersted as well |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
gmcharlt: yes, she could be a great candidate |
| 14:54 |
gmcharlt |
#action yboston will produce a concrete proposal for the EOB to consider regarding ways to get backfill documentation written |
| 14:55 |
gmcharlt |
so, moving on quickly before we expend the hour |
| 14:55 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Swag sales options |
| 14:55 |
gmcharlt |
#info ideas from swap brainstorming: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-August/000513.html |
| 14:55 |
RoganH |
I have a very limited time in 5 minutes so quickly: |
| 14:55 |
RoganH |
The Conservancy chimed in a on few. |
| 14:55 |
RoganH |
The silent auction they felt would only be useful if we were talking big ticket items. |
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| 14:56 |
RoganH |
The bake sale they had concerns about being a regular event but we envisioned it as a one day during the interest group meetings at the conference, if that doesn't pose a problem with the facilities. |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
(where "regular" means that it would be problematic to turn the bake sale into a weekly thing or the like) |
| 14:56 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: I think it might pose a problem with the facilities. |
| 14:56 |
RoganH |
The amazon link we envisioned as being used to promote Evergreen related content - POD copies of Evergreen in Action, books from a speaker at the conference, Postgres books, etc..... |
| 14:57 |
afterl |
I want to get in on this. i'm not just t-shirts, you know. |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
afterl++ |
| 14:57 |
gmcharlt |
afterl++ |
| 14:57 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: I understand. |
| 14:57 |
RoganH |
afterl++ |
| 14:57 |
gmcharlt |
Conservancy already has an Amazon affiliates account, so we could move on the AMZN links quickly |
| 14:57 |
RoganH |
To me the low hanging fruit is the Amazon links and the CafePress store front. |
| 14:58 |
gmcharlt |
their main caveat -- the merchandise linked to has to be reasonably closed to the topics of Evergreen and F/LOSS |
| 14:58 |
RoganH |
CafePress will take more time to design the graphics and that stuff but it doesn't take money up front. |
| 14:58 |
RoganH |
And we don't have to man it. |
| 14:58 |
montgoc1 |
We could set up a generic Amazon link and encourage anyone in the community to use the link when purchasing from Amazon. |
| 14:58 |
RoganH |
gmcharlt: do you see the examples I gave as problematic under the Conservancy feedback? |
| 14:58 |
montgoc1 |
We use a similar link at our library and get a couple hundred a quarter. |
| 14:59 |
kmlussier |
I love the idea of pinesole quotes on the merchandise. |
| 14:59 |
gmcharlt |
montgoc1: maybe -- we'd have to double-check that one with Conservancy |
| 14:59 |
RoganH |
I'd like to do the open link if we can but we'll wait on feedback from the Conservancy on that. |
| 14:59 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: one note -- I think it should be with the explicit permission of the person being quoted |
| 14:59 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: Yes, absolutely. |
| 14:59 |
RoganH |
Agreed. |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
#action gmcharlt will check with Conservancy about whether putting up an open Amazon affiliate link is OK |
| 15:00 |
RoganH |
There is still implementation to work out and designs will have to be approved. We would probably have the community vote on them as well. |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt |
so, any objections to proceeding with the Amazon and CafePress ideas? |
| 15:01 |
RoganH |
As an action item I would like to survey the community about which items they would like to see / be likely to buy on the cafepress store. |
| 15:01 |
yboston |
none from me |
| 15:02 |
RoganH |
That would let us know where to put more effort. |
| 15:02 |
rfrasur |
RoganH++ #getting this going |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
#action Rogan will survey community about desiderdata for CafePress merchandise |
| 15:03 |
RoganH |
I will also gather a list of pinesol_green quotes and ask the originators if they mind them being used. |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
any last minute thoughts (note that I encourage the other EOB members to paticipate in the active thread that elfsts started today) |
| 15:04 |
RoganH |
I'm in favor of elfsts suggestion, just as a broad comment. |
| 15:04 |
RoganH |
I'll chime in on it later. |
| 15:05 |
yboston |
me too |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 15:05 |
abneiman |
I'm in favor of the EOB encouraging, as elfsts put it, "strategic development" |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
#info Next EOB meeting is on Thursday, 19 September 2013 |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 15:05:35 2013 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-14.02.html |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-14.02.txt |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-08-15-14.02.log.html |
| 15:06 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ |
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yboston |
gmcharlt++ |
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RoganH |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
RoganH: Definitely ask jeff for this one: |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
@quote get 13 |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
Oh, it's unhappy with me. |
| 15:08 |
RoganH |
@quote get 13 |
| 15:08 |
pinesol_green |
RoganH: Quote #13: "<jeff> You get an ILS! And YOU get an ILS! EVERYBODY GETS AN ILS!" (added by bshum at 12:10 PM, July 19, 2011) |
| 15:08 |
RoganH |
:) |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
jeff++ |
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RoganH |
jeff++ |
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jeff_ |
huh. i don't even remember that one. |
| 15:09 |
yboston |
jeff++ |
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rfrasur |
jeff++ |
| 15:09 |
jeff_ |
zoia and #code4lib inspired, i'm sure. i don't remember the exact context. |
| 15:10 |
dbs |
@oprah quote |
| 15:10 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: I see nothing, I know nothing! |
| 15:10 |
dbs |
heh |
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| 15:38 |
csharp |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Quote #40: "The best book on programming for the layman is Alice in Wonderland ; but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman." (added by Dyrcona at 12:14 PM, January 02, 2013) |
| 15:42 |
bshum |
B&T-- |
| 15:42 |
bshum |
The saga continues |
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hbrennan |
Point me in the right direction, please. I need to edit the wording in our pre-overdue/courtesy notices but can't find the file. I'm not sure whether I should be looking in the staff client or the config files... (we're on 2.3.4) - the only doc I can find says look in openils/var/data/templates/predue, but I have no templates folder in data, and our custom templates folder elsewhere has no predue. |
| 15:45 |
bradl |
bshum: hey, meant to tell you (concerning awful companies to work with) -- Charter, after a week and a day, silently showed up and fixed the cable (evidently was a physical issue right down the street) |
| 15:45 |
gmcharlt |
hbrennan: action/trigger templates in the staff client |
| 15:46 |
hbrennan |
Thanks, gmcharlt! I was hoping you'd be here, since you set up our notices.... |
| 15:46 |
bshum |
bradl: I'm fighting issues still. It's sporadic and decides to randomly cut out every couple hours. But stays stable whenever the techs show up to check it. |
| 15:46 |
bshum |
I'm looking for some alternatives. |
| 15:46 |
bshum |
But that's the trouble with living in the woods :( |
| 15:46 |
bradl |
bshum: man, you have my empathy on that |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
hbrennan: better coordinates -- Admin | Local Admin | Notifications / Action Triggers |
| 15:47 |
hbrennan |
ah thanks |
| 15:47 |
hbrennan |
I have that open, but couldn't find pre-overdue, courtesy, etc |
| 15:47 |
hbrennan |
too many names for the same thing |
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mllewellyn |
@hate B&T |
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pinesol_green |
mllewellyn: The operation succeeded. mllewellyn hates B&T. |
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mllewellyn |
After denying that they were truncating the lineitem ID numbers in the EDI invoices, when given actual proof (again), they come back with "oh, yeah, we have a 10 digit limit. Anything over will truncate." So EDI invoices fail to match up to PO lineitems. |
| 15:52 |
bshum |
B&T-- |
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kmlussier |
@karma B&T |
| 15:52 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Karma for "B&T" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 15:53 |
mllewellyn |
And they knew this, but didn't warn us. |
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RoganH |
Gotta love vendors. |
| 15:59 |
RoganH |
bshum: I had my internet go out and the cable technician proceeded to tell me how it was my equipment. I then had to explain to him how bridging worked and explain why his explanation was wrong. |
| 16:00 |
RoganH |
bshum: He didn't talk to me again for the remainder of his time in my house except to say goodbye. |
| 16:00 |
bshum |
RoganH++ |
| 16:01 |
RoganH |
bshum: in the end he took all their junk and just left me a raw signal translator and it's worked fine with my equipment ever since. |
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hbrennan |
Since it's the end of the day for most, and chat looks quiet.. |
| 20:07 |
hbrennan |
Do we get points for finding easter eggs? |
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hbrennan |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
hbrennan: always! |
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hbrennan |
:) I found the answer to life, the universe, and everything |
| 20:26 |
gmcharlt |
haha - where was it hiding? |
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hbrennan |
in the Trigger Validators of course |
| 20:28 |
gmcharlt |
heh, indeed it is |
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gmcharlt |
eeevil++ |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Steven Chan] Fix LP985075, cannot save Patron Acquisition Request form - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fab4049> |
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