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bshum |
@roulette |
| 02:16 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: *click* |
| 02:22 |
rangi |
bshum: off the top of your head, how many circ requests does bibliomation do in a year? |
| 02:26 |
bshum |
rangi: Err, maybe 3.5 or so. |
| 02:27 |
bshum |
I could run a little sql to see actually. Now I'm wondering. |
| 02:27 |
rangi |
hehe |
| 02:28 |
rangi |
someone was asking on the koha list for a koha library do 10 million + checkouts in a year, afaik one doesnt exist |
| 02:28 |
bshum |
Oh, I'm a little off I guess. |
| 02:28 |
rangi |
which got me thinking, 10million a year is a lot, i wonder how many consortium manage that |
| 02:28 |
bshum |
5846690 in 2012. |
| 02:28 |
rangi |
cool thanks |
| 02:28 |
bshum |
Roughly |
| 02:31 |
bshum |
rangi: PINES listed 16 million for their stats page: http://pines.georgialibraries.org/fy13-pines-consortium-data |
| 02:32 |
rangi |
ta |
| 02:32 |
rangi |
i was thinking it would need to be about that size |
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bshum |
@coin |
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pinesol_green |
bshum: heads |
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paxed |
what are you doing up at this hour, bshum? |
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bshum |
paxed: Contemplating my place in the universe. Writing SQL. Poking at bugs. In no particular order. |
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bshum |
Though I am heading back to take a nap or something or other. |
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jboyer-isl |
@hate slony |
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pinesol_green |
jboyer-isl: The operation succeeded. jboyer-isl hates slony. |
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| 10:26 |
rfrasur |
My oldest son is starting his freshman year in college next week. Just saying. |
| 10:26 |
rfrasur |
that is all |
| 10:39 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: my second-youngest brother is starting his sophomore year of college, and my next brother finished a Masters degree in May. |
| 10:40 |
rfrasur |
Does that mean that I'm nearly old enough to be their mother? |
| 10:41 |
* rfrasur |
really needs to start acting more mature. |
| 10:42 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl: I've been around the block and back with slony, so if you have question, let me know ;-) |
| 10:43 |
csharp |
s/question/questions/ |
| 10:43 |
rfrasur |
Of course, my sister is also starting her sophomore year of college and is 30...so...yeah. |
| 10:43 |
jboyer-isl |
I can't seem to impress upon it that I really, really want it to alter a table. execute script coming up blank ,etc. |
| 10:44 |
csharp |
hmm |
| 10:44 |
jboyer-isl |
I'm so ready to move to Pg streaming replication that I can't stand it. |
| 10:45 |
csharp |
yeah - we're going back and forth on whether we're moving that way |
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* csharp |
likes being able to exclude tables that get replicated (e.g. auditor) |
| 10:47 |
jboyer-isl |
I suppose. I'd take a bandwidth hit for improved function though. This table is small enough that I'm only an hour or so away from nuking it all and starting over from create table. >:( |
| 10:47 |
jboyer-isl |
I guess it's not fair to say "improved function." "Massive, undeniable simplification" is more like it. |
| 10:48 |
* _bott_ |
is loving streaming replication |
| 10:48 |
* eeevil |
loves upgrades via slony ... there are benefits :) |
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| 10:49 |
_bott_ |
there are certain dislikes, but the simplification is very nice |
| 10:50 |
jboyer-isl |
_bott_: what are some of the issues it's caused? |
| 10:50 |
eeevil |
once native streaming changesets arrive, or someone writes (stable) logical rep atop streaming (upgrades!), I'll ditch slony. maybe :) |
| 10:51 |
eeevil |
s/or/and/ |
| 10:52 |
_bott_ |
jboyer-isl: Nothing really caused, just the noted "all or nothing", if I recall correctly, all max_users need to match across replicas, just little things. |
| 10:53 |
_bott_ |
my slony-foo was never near that of eeevil:, I'm sure |
| 10:53 |
paxed |
@marc 050 |
| 10:53 |
pinesol_green |
paxed: A classification or call number that is taken from Library of Congress Classification or LC Classification Additions and Changes. The brackets that customarily surround alternate class/call numbers are not carried in the MARC record; they may be generated based on the presence of repeated $a subfields. (Repeatable) [a,b,3,6,8] |
| 10:53 |
jboyer-isl |
Ah, ok. It's the all-or-nothing that I really want, and I will hopefully have the luxury of a long test period before it has to go live to shake out any config stuff. :) |
| 10:53 |
paxed |
<description>Classification or call number that is taken from or . The brackets that |
| 10:54 |
paxed |
en-US marc edit tooltip for 050 |
| 10:54 |
* paxed |
files a bug |
| 10:55 |
gmcharlt |
so, the Library of Congress is Voldemort? ;) |
| 10:55 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: there's also the drawback of replication-caused query timeout (or its corollary, SELECT-caused replication lag) which is less of an issue with slony |
| 10:57 |
jboyer-isl |
eeevil: Are those problems you've seen higher traffic Eg sites hit, or are they more things to watch for when working in psql? |
| 10:58 |
gmcharlt |
hmm, time to update the tooltips to MARC21 update #16 |
| 10:58 |
paxed |
gmcharlt: should i file the bug? |
| 10:58 |
eeevil |
gmcharlt: or it's made costumes used to scare kids that unwittingly live in a colonial reenactment commune... |
| 10:59 |
gmcharlt |
paxed: I'll open a bug for the general update and include your observation about LC having been dropped from the text |
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| 10:59 |
paxed |
gmcharlt: bug 1210167 |
| 10:59 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: oh, I've seen both. and high traffic is not necessarily required. just the odd, unfortunate long running query on a replica |
| 10:59 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1210167 in Evergreen "en-US marc editor tooltip for 050" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210167 |
| 11:00 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: like a report. or a manual query to look for stuff "on the backup system", or a long-running search on a front-facing replica |
| 11:01 |
jboyer-isl |
I see. |
| 11:01 |
* dbs |
found those problems far less dramatic in 9.1 |
| 11:01 |
eeevil |
dbs: and when you tuned replication params appropriately, instead of ignoring advice ;) |
| 11:01 |
jboyer-isl |
We wouldn't be using it until at least 9.2, possibly 9.3 depending on when it's out. |
| 11:02 |
jboyer-isl |
I assume you're referring to the sync vs. async options? |
| 11:02 |
dbs |
eeevil: true 'nuff :) |
| 11:02 |
dbs |
jboyer-isl: basically, never sync. never. :) |
| 11:02 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: oh, async all the way for EG |
| 11:02 |
eeevil |
unless you have a whole farm of replicas |
| 11:03 |
jboyer-isl |
I had that figured from the start, but I could see loads of issues if sync was used. :) |
| 11:03 |
eeevil |
and you have a legal requirement to never be without at least one up-to-date replica |
| 11:03 |
gmcharlt |
paxed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1210168 |
| 11:03 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1210168 in Evergreen "MARC tooltips should be brought up to date" (affected: 2, heat: 14) [Wishlist,New] |
| 11:22 |
jboyer-isl |
RRRRRRR. Figured out what I was doing wrong with slony... I was using the slonik_do_whatever commands and not piping them through to slonik. I suppose next time it will work as expected, etc. Sigh. |
| 11:38 |
rfrasur |
Another HUGE thanks to jboyer-isl and rjackson-isl for helping with moving all those items to the right place. |
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Dyrcona |
Have I said this before? parts-- :) |
| 11:51 |
rfrasur |
maybe once or twice |
| 11:54 |
phasefx |
upgrades++ # sorry, reference to Robots movie re: parts |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
Migrating parts is even worse than just parts. |
| 11:59 |
rfrasur |
that I totally believe to be true, although I neither hate nor love parts. |
| 11:59 |
* Dyrcona |
plays some songs by the late Chrissie Amphlett and The Divynils to lift his spirits. |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl: I almost asked you to share the syntax you were using :-) |
| 12:03 |
jboyer-isl |
Much of the syntax at the time wasn't suitable for polite company. ;) |
| 12:03 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 12:04 |
Dyrcona |
LibreOffice_Calc++ |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
impolite_company++ |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
I think this channel qualifies as impolite company. :p |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl++ |
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rfrasur |
@agree Dyrcona |
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pinesol_green |
rfrasur: Beyond here be dragons. |
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Dyrcona |
@blame Dyrcona |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Dyrcona musta been an Apple employee. |
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Dyrcona |
@praise jboyer-isl |
| 12:08 |
* pinesol_green |
jboyer-isl is the very model of a modern major hacker |
| 12:08 |
csharp |
useful network troubleshooting feature in ff23: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/06/network-monitor-now-in-firefox-beta/ |
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bshum |
@coin |
| 12:58 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: tails |
| 13:00 |
Dyrcona |
@coin |
| 13:00 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: heads |
| 13:02 |
rfrasur |
who lost? |
| 13:02 |
Dyrcona |
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.... |
| 13:02 |
rfrasur |
they really did |
| 13:05 |
rfrasur |
(inventory lists will be much better after this...inventory lists will be much better after this) |
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rfrasur |
the moment a newish employee realizes where the truant students go during school days. |
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rfrasur |
and......the copier is on the fritz. Thursdays are soooo cute. |
| 13:40 |
senator |
@wunder sugar hill, ga |
| 13:40 |
pinesol_green |
senator: The current temperature in River Rush, Sugar Hill, Georgia is 79.0°F (1:40 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect through late tonight... |
| 13:45 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: They'll probably learn more in the library than they ever will in school. |
| 13:46 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona: I dunno. Facebook? Apparently she's not truant though? She only has to go for half a day (and is 14...?) |
| 13:47 |
Dyrcona |
I never remember school starting before around Aug. 20th, but I never lived in Indiana. |
| 13:48 |
rfrasur |
oh, the school district here started on the 1st. My kids' school starts...err...the 12th (I do have it on a calendar). |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
I agree with Samuel Clemens: "Don't let your schooling interfere with your education." |
| 13:49 |
rfrasur |
me too. I think they should go after labor day and finish before memorial day |
| 13:49 |
rfrasur |
oh....home school....or whatever. |
| 13:50 |
rfrasur |
s/oh/or |
| 13:51 |
bshum |
@wunder new milford, ct |
| 13:51 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The current temperature in New Milford/Sunny Valley, New Milford, Connecticut is 84.6°F (1:50 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:51 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder 01845 |
| 13:51 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 81.7°F (1:47 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:52 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder nwn |
| 13:52 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:52 |
collum |
@wunder cvg |
| 13:52 |
pinesol_green |
collum: The current temperature in Covington, Kentucky is 80.6°F (1:21 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:52 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder wnw |
| 13:52 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:52 |
rfrasur |
collum: nice use of airport codes |
| 13:52 |
Dyrcona |
I swear one of those two was Wellington. |
| 13:53 |
rfrasur |
@wunder day |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder wnz |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:53 |
rfrasur |
hmm, that should be as well |
| 13:53 |
rfrasur |
@wunder 47346 |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: The current temperature in Hagerstown, Hagerstown, Indiana is 81.9°F (1:53 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder grr |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in Grand Rapids, Michigan is 73.4°F (12:53 PM EDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:53 |
* rfrasur |
laughs |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder nzw |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 13:53 |
collum |
Someone can have some of my humidity. |
| 13:54 |
rfrasur |
no thanks. ours is enough |
| 13:54 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder nwz |
| 13:54 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:54 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that's it... I give up. |
| 13:54 |
Dyrcona |
@roulette |
| 13:54 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: *click* |
| 13:54 |
senator |
@wunder nwzn |
| 13:54 |
pinesol_green |
senator: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:55 |
senator |
yeah, i see that i #koha it seems like... meh |
| 13:55 |
Dyrcona |
I just wondered what rangi's winter is like, minus the earthquakes. |
| 13:55 |
senator |
@wunder nzwn |
| 13:55 |
pinesol_green |
senator: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 57.2°F (5:00 AM NZST on August 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:56 |
senator |
logs++ |
| 13:56 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 13:56 |
rfrasur |
hmm, that's legit humidity right there. But the temp is just about perfect. |
| 13:57 |
csharp |
@eightball is rfrasur's "perfect" csharp's "too cold"? |
| 13:57 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: In your dreams. |
| 13:57 |
rfrasur |
:D - have you TRIED it, csharp? |
| 13:57 |
* Dyrcona |
dreams of moving to New Zealand, or possibly Uruguay. |
| 13:58 |
* rfrasur |
dreams of visiting Korea and India...and maybe staying. |
| 13:58 |
rfrasur |
not in both places though |
| 13:58 |
jeff_ |
i dislike naming things. |
| 13:58 |
* rfrasur |
is just one person |
| 13:58 |
Dyrcona |
jeff_: Call it "bob" whatever it is. |
| 13:58 |
Dyrcona |
Bob always works. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
jeff_: I don't like it either. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
Bob rarely works |
| 14:00 |
mcooper |
@wunder petaluma, ca |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
mcooper: The current temperature in Midtown, Petaluma, California is 66.7°F (11:00 AM PDT on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:00 |
bshum |
I get really hung up naming computers. They're like my children. |
| 14:01 |
Dyrcona |
https://github.com/Dyrcona/issa/wiki |
| 14:01 |
Dyrcona |
Since we're talking about naming things. |
| 14:01 |
rfrasur |
bshum: I didn't name my children. Just had some input. Didn't name the first one at all though...and wouldn't have picked his name in a million years (don't tell him that though). |
| 14:03 |
rfrasur |
even our pets came prenamed |
| 14:03 |
csharp |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
csharp: indeed |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
Dycona++ |
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jcamins |
bshum: I keep on planning to name my computers, but they end up named "jcamins-[description]" or "serverN." |
| 14:08 |
* phasefx |
usually does somethingfx |
| 14:08 |
csharp |
dalek-sec, dalek-kahn,... |
| 14:08 |
jeff_ |
csharp++ |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ |
| 14:20 |
rfrasur |
http://notinventedhe.re/on/2013-8-8?utm_source=Overdue+Media&utm_campaign=6ee1677690-UA-127250-3&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f17681c1b8-6ee1677690-236092738 |
| 14:48 |
jeff_ |
again on the subject of naming things: Mozilla's BrowserID/Persona to LDAP gateway is called "Vinz Clortho" https://github.com/mozilla/vinz-clortho |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
sheer class |
| 14:50 |
dbs |
ah yeah, I guess 2.5 will still have unsalted MD5-hashed passwords :/ |
| 14:50 |
Dyrcona |
jeff_: Of course it is. |
| 14:51 |
_bott_ |
the Keymaster |
| 14:51 |
Dyrcona |
There is no Dana, only Xul.... |
| 14:51 |
dbs |
:) |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
is that where xulrunner got its name? |
| 14:51 |
Dyrcona |
eh, sort of. |
| 14:52 |
Dyrcona |
Well, yes, really, not "sort of." |
| 14:52 |
rfrasur |
how small the world becomes with little bits of knowledge |
| 14:53 |
Dyrcona |
The firefox/thunderbird/mozilla internals are riddled with ghostbusters references. |
| 14:53 |
dbs |
XUL = eXtensible User-interface Language. but it may have been tortured into that acronym because the mozilla devs wanted the joke in the first place |
| 14:53 |
Dyrcona |
mozilla meant to be xulrunner. |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
dbs: There does appear to be some torture going on there. |
| 14:55 |
dbs |
rfrasur: to be fair, XML = eXtensible Mark-up Language, so it's pretty even |
| 14:55 |
* dbs |
corrects self: XUL = XML User-interface Language, so less tortured than XML, arguably |
| 14:56 |
Dyrcona |
The reason I said, sort of, is I'm not sure which came first, the acronym or the ghostbusters joke. |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
hmm, that's a good question |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
well, an interesting question |
| 14:56 |
Dyrcona |
the debugger is called Venkman. |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL#The_name |
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rfrasur |
because you should always believe wikipedia |
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rfrasur |
hmm...it seems like someone's messing w/ google accounts. though it could be my fault. |
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rfrasur |
I've done my duty for the day. Time to wrap it up and go grill some chicken and stuff. Be well. Be careful. |
| 15:39 |
rangi |
Dyrcona: we dont get that many earthquakes, i think only about 20,000 last year :) |
| 15:39 |
rangi |
http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/statistics |
| 15:39 |
RoganH |
Was it a slow year? |
| 15:39 |
rangi |
well we had 3 over 6 |
| 15:39 |
RoganH |
I used to live in Japan and we got a lot but during my time there they were all little one. |
| 15:39 |
rangi |
so not really :) |
| 15:39 |
RoganH |
Ouch. Yeah, those would scare me. |
| 15:40 |
rangi |
http://live.wellingtonnz.com/page/facts-and-stats.aspx#climate and theres the weather answer :) |
| 15:41 |
RoganH |
I never made it to NZ during my tenure in that part of the globe, or Australia. I wanted to but was on a poor student's income. |
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kmlussier |
RoganH: I added conference web sites to the web team meeting agenda. http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=webteam:meetings:agenda:2013-08-15. |
| 15:58 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: However, I think there's already been consensus at previous meetinsg for the community site to host the annual conference web pages, so maybe the only discussion item needs to be regional conferences and how to incorporate them in the web site. |
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dbs |
fwiw, evergreen2012.org appears to have been consigned to the bit dustbin, along with a bunch of presentations that had been posted there. So yes, please, take responsibility for providing a permanent safe home for presentation materials, at least! |
| 16:02 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: that was pretty much my intent to discuss |
| 16:02 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: so thanks! |
| 16:02 |
RoganH |
dbs: yep, I found that out when I went there to look for something the other day |
| 16:02 |
kmlussier |
dbs: At the last meetings, we discussed moving content previous conference web sites to the community web site, but apparently we weren't quick enough for the 2012 conference. |
| 16:03 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: for what it's worth I want to host SEREC (south eastern regional evergreen conference) off a subdomain and maybe just leave a wordpress site up there. |
| 16:04 |
RoganH |
kmlussier: I see what you did with the schedule. We can't run late because it would run into governance ... tricky. :) |
| 16:05 |
kmlussier |
RoganH: That's the only time that worked for everyone. And it's never a bad idea to make sure you end your meetings on time. :) |
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kmlussier |
We had a lot of new people respond - http://www.doodle.com/f7sw5ckgbn9ndiyv |
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RoganH |
I told you I beat the drums, those are folks that I chatted up / they volunteered / I shanghaied them. |
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returns to being on vacation. |
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frank |
hello everybody, I'd want to know How Can I export biblio records to MARC21 directly, I get a message Please select a supported format. Right now that means one of [USMARC|UNIMARC|XML|BRE|ARE] |
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Dyrcona |
frank: You want USMARC if you want binary MARC21 or XML if you want MARC21XML slim. |
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frank |
We are getting the records because we want to send them to summon, but they said we have to send them in marc21 format |
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Dyrcona |
USMARC is probably what you want. That's what we send to all of our vendors. |
| 17:24 |
frank |
ok Dyrcona, thanks for your advice |
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Dyrcona |
yw |
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