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| 10:07 |
Dyrcona |
Squashing the Angular 21 branch: This is a combination of 24 commits. |
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kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ sandbergja++ Dyrcona++ |
| 10:23 |
Bmagic |
gmcharlt++ sandbergja++ Dyrcona++ |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
sandbergja++ gmcharlt++ |
| 10:23 |
Bmagic |
@karma |
| 10:23 |
pinesol |
Bmagic: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (7), "Dyrcona" (6), and "Bmagic" (4). Lowest karma: "merge++ patch" (-1), "Typos" (-1), and "browsers" (-1). You (Bmagic) are ranked 3 out of 25. |
| 10:24 |
Bmagic |
windows11-- copilot-- |
| 10:24 |
kmlussier |
comcast-- |
| 10:24 |
Bmagic |
for good measure |
| 10:24 |
kmlussier |
@karma |
| 10:24 |
pinesol |
kmlussier: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (7), "Dyrcona" (6), and "Bmagic" (4). Lowest karma: "merge++ patch" (-1), "Typos" (-1), and "browsers" (-1). |
| 10:24 |
Bmagic |
comcast-- |
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kmlussier |
Huh, I thought I gave Comcast negative karma a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I capitalized it. |
| 10:25 |
Bmagic |
kmlussier: maybe before the reset? |
| 10:27 |
Dyrcona |
@karma comcast |
| 10:27 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Karma for "comcast" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
comcast-- |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
@karma comcast |
| 10:28 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Karma for "comcast" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
Just making sure it's working. |
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* kmlussier |
shrugs |
| 10:41 |
Dyrcona |
I think we'll want a working git plugin for the bot, too. |
| 10:57 |
Dyrcona |
Huh. According to redis-server.log, "User requested shutdown" at 6:05 am today. I don't remember doing that. |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
unattended-upgrades-- |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
I thought that i turned those off. |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
OK. I disabled automatic reboots but not automatic installation of security updates. |
| 11:09 |
eby |
wouldnt put it past Canonical to mess with it on an update |
| 11:11 |
goood |
esp. with 26.04 where everything's a snap that gets magically updated ... grrrr |
| 11:13 |
Dyrcona |
That reminds me. I was going to get Evergreen working on Ubuntu 26.04, but the image I had would not start subiquity (the installer, also a snap). |
| 11:13 |
goood |
ha! ... ugh |
| 11:14 |
jeff |
debian++ |
| 11:14 |
goood |
I mean, they made pipewire a snap. you can't have sound on 26.04 with a pinned, system-level package. srsly m'dudes? not cool |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
I'll have to check if 26.04 is officially released. I've been out of that loop. |
| 11:14 |
goood |
it's not yet |
| 11:16 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe there's a more recent snapshot. |
| 11:18 |
eby |
yeah i got hit with the 'we want snap to be a thing' all the way back on xenial |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
I prefer flatpak over snap for applications, and system-level stuff should be neither. |
| 11:20 |
* goood |
is strongly considering going to MX for desktop. it just sits atop debian stable and adds cool stuff |
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| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
There's a lot to be said for sticking with stable anything, particularly Debian. |
| 11:26 |
csharp_ |
I've been happy with Fedora as my daily driver for many years now - highly recommend |
| 11:27 |
csharp_ |
agreed re: snaps/flatpaks for server apps |
| 11:27 |
Dyrcona |
My work laptop is on 25.10 and my personal laptop is Arch. |
| 11:28 |
Dyrcona |
My personal laptop is 6 years old, and I'm considering pre-ordering one of these to replace it: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
| 11:28 |
Dyrcona |
Hah... |
| 11:28 |
Dyrcona |
https://frame.work/laptop13pro |
| 11:29 |
goood |
oh! I'm getting a framework 13 |
| 11:29 |
goood |
not the pro, though |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I'm comparing the two. I may just go with the non-pro. |
| 11:34 |
csharp_ |
yeah, I just specced out one that I would want and it's $3000 :-) |
| 11:35 |
eby |
i actually watched their update for that a couple days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU |
| 11:37 |
eby |
battery battery efficiency efficiency |
| 11:37 |
csharp_ |
eby++ |
| 11:37 |
eby |
i had not paid attention to the lpcamm memory stuff |
| 11:38 |
eby |
https://www.crucial.com/catalog/memory/lpcamm2 |
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* Dyrcona |
figures out how to do a sample export of MFHD records. |
| 12:02 |
jeffdavis |
I'm getting a pg_restore error- 'could not find function "xml_is_well_formed" |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: Are all of the prerequisites installed on the PostgreSQL server where the dump is being restored? |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
By "all" I mean the database function prerequisites. |
| 12:07 |
csharp_ |
jeffdavis: I think you have to drop a couple of things as you pg_dump - might be a way to ignore them on restore though |
| 12:07 |
csharp_ |
it's ringing a bell |
| 12:08 |
csharp_ |
maybe we had a custom xml_is_well_formed before and its still looking for the old one in the public. or evergreen. namespace? |
| 12:09 |
csharp_ |
it was something like that I think |
| 12:10 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona may be right if you don't have the xml2 extension installed on the destination DB server |
| 12:11 |
csharp_ |
I usually manually run Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/create_database_extensions.sql -vdb_name="evergreen" (or whatever) to drop/recreate the DB on the destination |
| 12:15 |
Dyrcona |
I wasn't thinking of the database extensions. I was thinking of the O/S and CPAN packages that the database functions need. |
| 12:16 |
csharp_ |
yeah |
| 12:16 |
csharp_ |
those too |
| 12:21 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I got something that I think gives me MFHD records to pipe into marc_export, but the records are often too large... I'll have to export them as XML so this particular vendor can read the file. |
| 12:23 |
Dyrcona |
I don't think I've run into that particular function missing, but I have run into missing functions when restoring or even creating a database on a newer version of PostgreSQL. Sometimes the function won't restore/get created because of changes in newer Pg versions. |
| 12:23 |
eby |
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/functions-xml.html points to the xml_is_well_formed function being built in but the package needs to be built with xml support so might be a distro/repo issue |
| 12:23 |
Dyrcona |
eby: Do they have a postgresql-xml package? |
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Bmagic |
Dyrcona: grep "2026-04" /home/pinesol/runbot/logs/messages.log|less |
| 13:30 |
Bmagic |
I'm seeing a lot of git log messages related to "evergreen: 'Repo' object has no attribute 'commits_between'" |
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Dyrcona |
Bmagic: OK. I'll take a look after I take a quick lunch break. I'll be out of IRC for about 40 minutes. |
| 13:49 |
* Dyrcona |
was poking at stuck autorenewals in the database. |
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csharp_ |
Dyrcona++ Bmagic++ |
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Dyrcona |
Bmagic: That message appears going all the way back in the messages.log. |
| 14:45 |
Dyrcona |
It also stops yesterday afternoon, so I think it's not the problem. |
| 15:16 |
Dyrcona |
I am going to shut down pinesol for a few minutes to do a little maintenance. |
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Dyrcona |
@karma |
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pinesol |
Dyrcona: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (7), "Dyrcona" (6), and "Bmagic" (4). Lowest karma: "comcast" (-3), "merge++ patch" (-1), and "Typos" (-1). You (Dyrcona) are ranked 2 out of 31. |
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Dyrcona |
From a README.md on Github: Does not work yet and probably never will. |
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csharp_ |
Dyrcona: at least they're honest? |
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jeffdavis |
re: my pg_restore issue - we've got xml extensions and other dependencies installed; seems like xml_is_well_formed exists in the dumpfile as a function in the public schema and maybe it's not supposed to (in a clean db on the same server there's a pg_catalog.xml_is_well_formed function) |
| 16:16 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: We don't have public.xml_is_well_formed, but do have pg_catalog.xml_is_well_formed. If you drop it from the public schema, that might fix your issue. Don't know if it will break anything else. |
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jeffdavis |
yeah I'll try dropping it and also moving it to the pg_catalog schema |
| 16:30 |
eby |
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/1865149.1727803723%40sss.pgh.pa.us |
| 16:35 |
Dyrcona |
That's interesting. |
| 16:35 |
Dyrcona |
eby++ |
| 16:35 |
eby |
and regarding your 26.04 https://mydbanotebook.org/posts/postgres-performance-regression-are-we-there-yet/ |
| 16:35 |
Dyrcona |
Hm... Do I want to redo conflict resolution or cherry-pick commits from a known-good branch? |
| 16:40 |
Dyrcona |
Thanks, again, eby. That was also an interesting read. |
| 16:41 |
Dyrcona |
I wasn't concerned so much about Pg performance on 26.04, just getting a 26.04 image that I could install. :) |
| 16:42 |
eby |
yeah i lost track after all the back and forth blaming but see now if you are in a virtualized env you need to watch out |
| 16:43 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
| 16:44 |
Dyrcona |
Who runs Pg on Docker anyway? :) |
| 16:45 |
Dyrcona |
I find there's a lot of bad folklore out there, particularly around huge pages and cache pressure. |
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jeffdavis |
eby++ |
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csharp_ |
eby++ |
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