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csharp_ |
Dyrcona: re: pip: https://stackoverflow.com/a/75722775/1692794 - tl;dr is that you install pipx via apt and use it from there: https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/ |
| 09:08 |
csharp_ |
probably an easier approach than building a deb, though it does present another update infrastructure to worry about |
| 09:08 |
csharp_ |
I used venv to install mailman3 on the list server and it's fine |
| 09:10 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_: I saw pipx mentioned yesterday and was going to look into it but got distracted. I was just about to check what dependencies hcoop-meetbot has and install it manually, i.e. via copy. |
| 09:10 |
* csharp_ |
nods |
| 09:10 |
Dyrcona |
I'll try pipx. |
| 09:11 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure if I know how to configure meetbot. Guess I can copy most of it from lupin? |
| 09:11 |
csharp_ |
not sure how similar the projects are - I think bshum did most of that back when we started using it |
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| 09:14 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_: pipx create a venv, looks like under /root/.local if you run pipx with sudo. I'm not sure that's going to work with Limnoria... |
| 09:14 |
csharp_ |
bleh |
| 09:15 |
csharp_ |
though I guess it could all run in a venv/pipx |
| 09:15 |
csharp_ |
@who thought this was a good idea? |
| 09:15 |
pinesol |
briank thought this was a good idea. |
| 09:15 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: CHOWN ARE OPENSRF COLON OPENSRF OPEN EYE ELL ESS |
| 09:16 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it's Python.... :) |
| 09:18 |
Dyrcona |
It's more of an issues with differing ecosystems: Ubuntu/Debian versus Python. |
| 09:19 |
csharp_ |
after bug 2062960 I'm suspicious of Ubuntu managing Python things well |
| 09:19 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2062960 in mailman-suite (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 24.04 mailman3-web fails install on clean system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2062960 |
| 09:19 |
Dyrcona |
Think I'll just do this manually. |
| 09:20 |
csharp_ |
since it's all python, might be simple to isolate it all in a venv (means we'd remove the limnoria installed via PPA and just install via pip) |
| 09:20 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. I think if we had setup a venv and installed Limnoria through pip and/or Python from source, then installed everything else we need via pip, this would work. |
| 09:20 |
csharp_ |
jinx |
| 09:20 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 09:22 |
Dyrcona |
I have limited experience with Python and venv. I've practiced with it a few years ago with a toy web application. |
| 09:22 |
Dyrcona |
eg-web also needs to be rebooted, but others are logged in. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
I think I'll email the infrastructure list about removing limnoria and installing via pip with a venv, unless you want to do that csharp_? My thought it we put the venv under /home/pinesol. |
| 09:23 |
csharp_ |
<emperor>DO IT</emperor> |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 09:24 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: feel free - I'm about to be consumed by meetings for the rest of the morning |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
OK. Will do. |
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Dyrcona |
#startmeeting Test Meeting |
| 11:04 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Feb 26 11:04:35 2026 US/Eastern. The chair is Dyrcona. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:04 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 11:04 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to 'test_meeting' |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Meeting started at 2026-02-26T16:04+0000 |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Current chairs: Dyrcona |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ |
| 11:04 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast' |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
#topic MeetBot on new server |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
#accepted Dyrcona got it working |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
#endmeeting |
| 11:05 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 11:05:33 2026 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:05 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2026/evergreen.2026-02-26-11.04.html |
| 11:05 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2026/evergreen.2026-02-26-11.04.txt |
| 11:05 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2026/evergreen.2026-02-26-11.04.log.html |
| 11:05 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Meeting ended at 2026-02-26T16:05+0000 |
| 11:05 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Raw log: //2026/evergreen.20260226.1604.log.json |
| 11:05 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Formatted log: //2026/evergreen.20260226.1604.log.html |
| 11:05 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Minutes: //2026/evergreen.20260226.1604.html |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
It still needs to be configured, but the module loads. |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
@karma |
| 11:17 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (97), "Dyrcona" (83), "Bmagic" (65), "csharp_" (65), and "mmorgan" (60). Lowest karma: "zoom" (-2), "FOIA" (-2), "Typos" (-2), "typo" (-1), and "ubuntu" (-1). You (Dyrcona) are ranked 2 out of 104. |
| 11:17 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Error: I have no karma for this channel. |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that's something, innit? |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
@dunno |
| 11:19 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: if you type google into Google, you'll break the internet |
| 11:19 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: zarro boogs found |
| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
@quote |
| 11:20 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: BIG LETTERS MEAN BIG IDEAS, AM I RIGHT THOUGHT LEADERS? |
| 11:20 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Beyond here be dragons. |
| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
@quote get 12 |
| 11:20 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Quote #12: "<pinesol_green> There are 10 quotes in my database." (added by Dyrcona at 05:26 PM, June 07, 2011) |
| 11:20 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Quote #12: "<pinesol_green> There are 10 quotes in my database." (added by Dyrcona at 05:26 PM, June 07, 2011) |
| 11:21 |
Dyrcona |
@seen bhsum |
| 11:21 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: I have not seen bhsum. |
| 11:21 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: I have not seen bhsum. |
| 11:21 |
Dyrcona |
@seen bshum |
| 11:21 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: bshum was last seen in #evergreen 1 year, 14 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <bshum> Hi hi ! :) |
| 11:21 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: bshum was last seen in #evergreen 1 year, 14 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 45 seconds ago, and is in the channel now: <bshum> Hi hi ! :) |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
@seen eeevil |
| 11:24 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: eeevil was last seen in #evergreen 1 year, 12 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 52 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <eeevil> kmlussier: I'm not, no |
| 11:24 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: eeevil was last seen in #evergreen 1 year, 12 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 52 minutes, and 24 seconds ago, and is in the channel now: <eeevil> kmlussier: I'm not, no |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
@seen tsbere |
| 11:24 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: tsbere was last seen in #evergreen 8 years, 41 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <tsbere> er, not anoning |
| 11:24 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: tsbere was last seen in #evergreen 8 years, 41 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <tsbere> er, not anoning |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
@seen moodeapo |
| 11:25 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: I have not seen moodeapo. |
| 11:25 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: I have not seen moodeapo. |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
@seen moodaepo |
| 11:25 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: I have not seen moodaepo. |
| 11:25 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: I have not seen moodaepo. |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
Don't remember the nick... |
| 11:52 |
jeff |
Anoop was "moodaepo", you had it correct. |
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Dyrcona |
@dunno add Flushers flushed and garbage collected. |
| 12:03 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 12:03 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. Dunno #106 added. |
| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
pinesol_dev: Your quote database is out of date. |
| 12:05 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: I am the coolest bot. |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
pinesol has more quotes than you. |
| 12:06 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
Thwarted by bots... |
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Dyrcona |
@dunno get 254 |
| 12:37 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Error: There is no Dunno with id #254 in my database for #evergreen. |
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pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Error: There is no Dunno with id #254 in my database for #evergreen. |
| 12:37 |
Dyrcona |
@quote get 254 |
| 12:37 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Quote #254: "Flushers flushed and garbage collected." (added by Dyrcona at 12:05 PM, February 26, 2026) |
| 12:37 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Error: There is no Quote with id #254 in my database for #evergreen. |
| 12:38 |
Dyrcona |
@quote get 106 |
| 12:38 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Quote #106: "< Dyrcona> bye, bye, Evergreen 2.5. I drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry." (added by csharp at 01:09 PM, February 23, 2015) |
| 12:38 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Quote #106: "< Dyrcona> bye, bye, Evergreen 2.5. I drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry." (added by csharp at 01:09 PM, February 23, 2015) |
| 12:38 |
Dyrcona |
@quote get 107 |
| 12:38 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Quote #107: "<dbs> JSPAC was almost self-aware ... <JSPAC> dbs: YES, I WAS" (added by gmcharlt at 03:42 PM, March 10, 2015) |
| 12:38 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: Quote #107: "<dbs> JSPAC was almost self-aware ... <JSPAC> dbs: YES, I WAS" (added by gmcharlt at 03:42 PM, March 10, 2015) |
| 12:55 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP2138323: Docs - updates to patron notes <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f19ef148533c5f152ab1836fb7d5506002f967b4> |
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csharp_ |
@developer |
| 14:01 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Communication:15, BigPicture:15, DetailOriented:8, KungFu:16, GetsStuffDone:17, FlakeFactor:17, JavaAvoidance:6 |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: Yeah, well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man. |
| 14:02 |
csharp_ |
@librarian |
| 14:02 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Management:8, Cataloging:14, Acquisitions:11, Reference:18, Circulation:16, Systems:12, Research:12, Custodial:16 |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 14:08 |
jeff |
This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
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csharp_ |
@fix the bot |
| 14:09 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: There is no Angular only XUL |
| 14:09 |
pinesol |
csharp_: did you finish your beer? |
| 14:09 |
csharp_ |
meh |
| 14:09 |
csharp_ |
aka add fix "reply $1 is fixed!" |
| 14:09 |
mantis1 |
on 3.15: does anyone know what would cause the DOB field to turn red in the patron summary when opening a patron account on a workstation that doesn't require it? |
| 14:09 |
csharp_ |
@aka add fix "reply $1 is fixed!" |
| 14:09 |
pinesol |
csharp_: BIG LETTERS MEAN BIG IDEAS, AM I RIGHT THOUGHT LEADERS? |
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pinesol_dev |
csharp_: The operation succeeded. |
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csharp_ |
@fix the bot |
| 14:09 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. |
| 14:09 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. |
| 14:09 |
csharp_ |
okay, not working as expected |
| 14:11 |
csharp_ |
mantis1: it rings a bell, I don' |
| 14:12 |
csharp_ |
t know offhand what causes that |
| 14:12 |
csharp_ |
glancing at some possibilities |
| 14:12 |
csharp_ |
@fix the bot |
| 14:12 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: the bot is fixed! |
| 14:12 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Message root @ server God....Universe going down for reboot.... |
| 14:12 |
mmorgan |
mantis1: Just a guess - Invalid date format entered in the field? |
| 14:12 |
csharp_ |
it worked! |
| 14:13 |
csharp_ |
had to load the Reply plugin |
| 14:13 |
mantis1 |
it looks like this is kind of the case with older than 3.15 anyway |
| 14:13 |
csharp_ |
so that allows us to create "fun" commands on the fly |
| 14:13 |
mantis1 |
at least on our 3.13 test system - the font is red |
| 14:13 |
csharp_ |
mantis1: is the date format specified in library settings? |
| 14:14 |
mantis1 |
csharp: yes but this library doesn't collect DOBs |
| 14:14 |
mantis1 |
so it's just null |
| 14:19 |
csharp_ |
mantis1: does it show when you click to show Required Fields? |
| 14:19 |
mantis1 |
it's not required for this workstation |
| 14:20 |
mantis1 |
but we found that other patrons without a DOB don't have the highlighting |
| 14:20 |
mantis1 |
so I'm wondering if the patron had a DOB at one point and it got removed or something |
| 14:20 |
csharp_ |
could it be some whitespace or something is in that DB column and that's keeping it from working? |
| 14:20 |
Dyrcona |
mantis1: Are you sure the dob is null and not an empty string ''? |
| 14:22 |
mantis1 |
says null in the db |
| 14:22 |
csharp_ |
mantis1: \pset null <NULL> then do the query? |
| 14:22 |
csharp_ |
maybe you just did that |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
null and '' look the same in results unless you do what csharp_ said. |
| 14:25 |
Dyrcona |
'' gives invalid syntax for date type, so it's probably not that, but some other fields can have that. |
| 14:26 |
mantis1 |
it just says 'null' completely in the db cell |
| 14:26 |
mantis1 |
it's not an empty one |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
mantis1: What tool are you using to look at the database? I'm curious. This is not an accusation or an attempt to suggest something else. |
| 14:28 |
mantis1 |
I'm just querying |
| 14:28 |
mantis1 |
usrname = 'thisnumber' |
| 14:28 |
mantis1 |
into PGAdmin |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
PGAdmin, thanks! That's what I was looking for. psql doesn't show "null" for null values. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
Can staff save the patron when the DOB field is red? |
| 14:30 |
mantis1 |
the form field itself isn't red - it's the patron summary field |
| 14:30 |
mantis1 |
so the panel on the left |
| 14:31 |
Dyrcona |
Oh. I misunderstood. That side pays no attention to required fields, I think. |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe it should. Let me see what my account looks like on 3.15 and 3.16. |
| 14:33 |
mantis1 |
oh interesting |
| 14:33 |
mantis1 |
when an alert is on the account and there's no dob, the highlight stays |
| 14:33 |
mantis1 |
but if you delete it, the highlight goes away |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
Mine has "Date of Birth" in bold and no value, but no red. ... That sounds like some kind of styling bug, maybe... |
| 14:34 |
mantis1 |
yeah I'll try it on a community test server |
| 14:35 |
mantis1 |
yeah it's there |
| 14:35 |
mantis1 |
lol ok we found something fun |
| 14:36 |
mantis1 |
I'll put in a ticket |
| 14:36 |
mantis1 |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:36 |
mantis1 |
mmorgan++ |
| 14:36 |
mantis1 |
csharp++ |
| 14:36 |
Dyrcona |
Screenshots would help. I'm not entirely sure that I am visualizing what you're describing correctly. |
| 14:37 |
Dyrcona |
mantis1++ |
| 14:37 |
mantis1 |
I'll send the link with the screenshot |
| 15:08 |
csharp_ |
@fix mantis1's issue |
| 15:08 |
pinesol |
csharp_: you have exposed a flaw in the Internet and will be reported |
| 15:08 |
pinesol_dev |
csharp_: mantis1's issue is fixed! |
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Dyrcona |
deprecated in Angular 20, scheduled to be removed in Angular 22. |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
Ain't web development fun? |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
@fix web development |
| 15:45 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: https://www.monsterfro.com/images/seniorpic2.gif |
| 15:45 |
pinesol_dev |
Dyrcona: web development is fixed! |
| 15:56 |
mmorgan |
@fix all the bugs! |
| 15:56 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: WORKSFORME WONTFIX |
| 15:56 |
pinesol_dev |
mmorgan: all the bugs! is fixed! |
| 16:16 |
Dyrcona |
sandbergja++ The build is faster with Angular 20. |
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