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13:20 pinesol News from commits: Resolves LP#2106488 Docs <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=816692​fd3a50131d7857c5d47786fd73bdbb0e50>
13:20 pinesol News from commits: Resolves LP#2063846 <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=d81515​428da33041f070bbe6f9427692f671c58e>
13:40 eby https://www.att.com/support/​article/wireless/KM1061254/
13:43 jihpringle we upgraded to 3.14.4(ish) over the weekend and we've got a really strange bug happening - a few libraries are reporting that Evergreen is transparent.  Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
13:43 jihpringle For example, if you have a pop-up you can see the interface behind the pop up and most of the green (like for menus) is just not there
13:44 redavis sleary, this reminds me of something from IANT.
13:45 jihpringle we've had libraries clear their cache, cookies, the offline database, reset settings, check for console errors, update Chrome, and so far nothing has worked
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13:52 redavis Are the interfaces affected consistent?
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13:53 jihpringle25 redavis: as far as the reports we've got it's all of Evergreen for the affected computers
13:54 jihpringle25 I've seen screenshots of the angular staff catalogue and the angularjs Item Status
13:54 redavis But it's not happening throughout the entirety of the upgraded libraries?
13:56 jihpringle25 no we've only had reports from 6 libraries and for some of them some computer are affected and others are normal
13:57 jihpringle25 I'm thinking something browser related (Chrome) but so far we haven't been able to pinpoint anything
13:58 redavis ++. is their a possibility of having them test it using Firefox?
13:58 mmorgan jihpringle25: Does sound browser related. Try a different browser on an affected computer? Try disabling extensions, Incognito mode?
13:58 redavis or something else?
14:00 jihpringle25 at least one library tried it in Edge and it looked normal
14:01 jihpringle25 we'll ask about extension and trying it in Incognito mode
14:01 jihpringle25 thanks mmorgan
14:02 jihpringle25 and thanks redavis for talking it through :)
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14:05 shulabramble 55 minutes to Dev meeting
14:11 redavis jihpringle25, no prob. I'd love to hear back on the results. Also, do you have a Chrome version from the affected sites?
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14:13 sleary jihpringle25: ugh, I haven't seen that! If you inspect the <html> tag, is it getting a data-bs-theme attribute (either light, dark, or auto) after they log in?
14:13 sleary (we just fixed a bug where that doesn't get set until you log in, but that fix is not out yet)
14:14 jihpringle redavis: not so far, we've been asking
14:14 redavis jihpringle++ sleary++
14:14 jihpringle sleary: how would they inspect the html tag?
14:15 jihpringle we haven't been able to replicate ourselves which makes troubleshooting a little harder :)
14:15 sleary right-click anywhere on the page, choose "inspect" and look through the HTML source -- it'll be the top-level tag, first thing in the source code
14:15 jihpringle thanks, we'll ask them to check that
14:15 sleary jihpringle this might also be relevant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions​/78596366/how-to-determine-if-light​-dark-css-is-supported-officially
14:16 sleary If they're on Chrome earlier than 122 or so, they really should upgrade
14:16 jihpringle ya, one of the first things we've been telling them is to check that Chrome is up to date, but we haven't gotten any version numbers back to confirm yet
14:17 sleary hate not being able to replicate a bug; it's the worst
14:22 jeffdavis need a special "No Thank You" bug status for those ones
14:25 csharp_ jihpringle: that's how we learned that several libraries had not ever upgraded from Windows 7
14:26 jihpringle ya, we're asking about operating system too now
14:26 csharp_ jihpringle: they should be able to use Firefox, at least through this summer if I recall correctly
14:26 sleary csharp_ lolsob
14:26 jihpringle that's good to know
14:26 csharp_ sleary: yep
14:27 csharp_ jihpringle: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-us​ers-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support
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14:27 redavis sleary++ csharp_ ugh
14:28 shulabramble csharp_ i found one in Sardis just after the President's Day upgrade.
14:28 csharp_ jihpringle: btw, I have not verified that FF works, but worth a try since using out-of-support Chrome is Not Good™
14:28 csharp_ shulabramble: are they using FF>?
14:29 shulabramble no they were still on Win7; new computer, just had been clicking through the upgrade notice for who knows how long.
14:29 csharp_ also, I wish libraries would consider installing Linux when they reach that point - it would be so much faster and more secure
14:29 csharp_ but Linux expertise is rare at the local admin level in Georgia, anyway
14:30 csharp_ shulabramble: good lord
14:30 * shulabramble is pro more Linux.
14:30 redavis and prevent them from downloading a spotify desktop app at the circulation computer. Oh...wait. That didn't happen there? No. Sorry, that was at one of "our" libraries.
14:30 csharp_ shulabramble++
14:31 csharp_ in the XUL client days a number of our directors banned internet browsing at the desk and the staff learned that the staff client could browse out to the web
14:31 shulabramble csharp_: turned what i expected to be a quick printer fix into two days of work. still, I like driving out to Burke County, so not all bad. saw some roadside vultures, which is always thrilling.
14:31 redavis lol, noice! resourcefulness
14:31 csharp_ I remember arguing with a director who wanted me to lock that down
14:32 csharp_ shulabramble: nice!
14:32 * shulabramble was one of those staff members going down wiki holes at the desk :D
14:32 redavis wait. roadside vultures? Are those regular birds or something else?
14:32 csharp_ right - there were some web links in the staff landing page
14:32 redavis (we have a buzzard tree nearby)
14:33 shulabramble vultures so focused on roadkill they don't fly away when you drive by, so if you slow down a little you can get a good look. I think vultures are cool, so i took the opportunity given the total lack of traffic to get some quality vulture observation in.
14:34 csharp_ @band add Roadside Vultures
14:34 pinesol csharp_: Band 'Roadside Vultures' added to list
14:35 redavis Oh, I LOVE vultures. There was also a young one near our feeders the other day (very unusual and it didn't hang out long). They're in my top ten birds.
14:35 csharp_ @band add Birdranker
14:35 pinesol csharp_: Band 'Birdranker' added to list
14:36 redavis lol
14:36 * redavis ranks everything and has to tell herself to stop when it gets a little compulsive.
14:37 shulabramble lol. when i went to my nephew's bar mitzvah there were a bunch of vultures out back of the applebees near the hotel. it was very very pleasing to watch them ransacking the dumpster
14:37 redavis Yes!!!
14:39 csharp_ always a few vultures at Applebees in my experience</couldnt_resist>
14:39 redavis csharp_++ <shouldnt_resist>
14:40 jihpringle thank you everyone who offered suggestions, now we're waiting to hear back from the libraries
14:40 jihpringle also, enjoying that our weird transparency issue led to roadside vultures :)
14:40 redavis :D
14:41 csharp_ we walk around with assumptions about what our libraries are doing - we never know until that kind of thing pops up
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14:42 redavis There's only so much you can do until then. They're all independent, if I'm assuming correctly.
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14:45 shulabramble 15 minutes to Dev meeting
14:45 jihpringle redavis: ya, our libraries are all independent so we really don't know what they're running as far as their computers/printers/scanners etc, until something like this comes up
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14:46 redavis jihpringle++
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14:55 shulabramble 5 minute warning!
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15:00 shulabramble #startmeeting 2025-04-08 - Developer Meeting
15:00 pinesol Meeting started Tue Apr  8 15:00:11 2025 US/Eastern.  The chair is shulabramble. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2025_04_08___developer_meeting'
15:00 shulabramble #topic Introductions
15:00 shulabramble #info Shula Link - Greater Clarks Hill Regional Library
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15:00 redavis #info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, Evergreen Collaborative Development Initiative (ECDI)
15:01 terranm #info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES
15:01 berick #info berick Bill Erickson, KCLS
15:01 terranm I almost spelled my own name wrong just now
15:01 collum #info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL
15:01 abneiman #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox
15:01 mmorgan #info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE
15:01 csharp_ #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS
15:01 abneiman terranm: saaaame
15:01 mantis #info mantis = Gina Monti, Bibliomation
15:01 Bmagic #info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS
15:01 jeff #info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL)
15:01 sleary #info sleary = Stephanie Leary, Equinox
15:02 mdriscoll #info mdriscoll = Martha Driscoll, NOBLE
15:03 shulabramble Latecomers feel free to continue introductions!
15:03 shulabramble #topic Action Items from Last Meeting
15:03 briank #info briank = Brian Kennedy, BCLC
15:03 shulabramble #topic eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets
15:05 jeffdavis Should we maybe remove that one as an action item?
15:05 shulabramble maybe we should.
15:05 shulabramble general opinion of the room?
15:06 abneiman +1 to remove
15:06 sleary +1
15:06 berick can always add it back
15:07 collum +1
15:07 terranm +1
15:07 shulabramble #agree remove the action item cf. the cross-column stats targets bug for now
15:08 shulabramble #topic Dyrcona will look into bug 2051946
15:08 pinesol Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen 3.14 "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946
15:09 shulabramble as dyrcona isn't here, let's kick that along
15:09 shulabramble #action Dyrcona will look into bug 2051946
15:09 pinesol Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen 3.14 "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946
15:09 mmorgan Fix has been committed for that
15:09 shulabramble OH I never learned to read, apparently.
15:09 mmorgan :)
15:10 shulabramble moving on!
15:10 mmorgan Dyrcona++
15:10 shulabramble #topic abneiman will follow up with gmcharlt cf. git POeditor integration
15:10 abneiman this has been done and I believe gmcharlt followed up with appripriate parties - Dyrcona, can you confirm?
15:11 redavis Dyrcona isn't here.
15:11 shulabramble abneiman++
15:11 abneiman oh well, "not-reading is fundamental" is today's theme >_<
15:11 abneiman anyway I think this is done, unless told to the contrary
15:12 shulabramble yay!
15:12 shulabramble #topic Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account
15:12 Bmagic I did some poking around
15:13 Bmagic defer for next time
15:13 shulabramble #action Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account
15:13 shulabramble #topic sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:13 sleary still in progress, actual progress being made, still not done
15:13 shulabramble #action sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:14 shulabramble #topic abneiman will discuss moving the developer's meeting with shulabramble and poll the community
15:14 abneiman we discussed this!
15:14 abneiman and we will table this till later since as of now, Shula is the dev meeting leader & without av computer things
15:15 abneiman so, this can be struck for now
15:15 shulabramble this may be changing, with luck.
15:15 abneiman and you know, maybe next time it won't take me six months to talk about it
15:16 shulabramble if my situation changes, I'll bring up moving the meeting so we won't have to wait six months :)
15:16 sleary abneiman++ shulabramble++
15:16 abneiman shulabramble++
15:17 shulabramble #topic Dyrcona will look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2073561
15:17 pinesol Launchpad bug 2073561 in Evergreen 3.14 "Incorrect content in the config.coded_value_map after applying the upgrade script from 3.12.3 to 3.13.0" [High,Fix committed]
15:17 shulabramble Okay, fix committed!
15:17 shulabramble Dyrcona++
15:17 shulabramble #topic Updates
15:18 shulabramble #topic Evergreen
15:18 shulabramble #topic Thanks to Terran et al. for a very successful Feedback Fest! FBF stats
15:19 shulabramble #topic 3.15-rc built this morning (thank you Galen!) and is being tested this afternoon, with release announcement & merge un-pause expected later today
15:19 shulabramble #topic No merges to 3.15 branch unless they are critical bugfixes, lint fixes, or documentation
15:19 terranm Yay Feedback Festers!
15:19 terranm Festers doesn't sound nice
15:19 shulabramble #topic 3.15.0 is slated for release next Wednesday 16th, as is 3.14.5 and 3.13.10
15:19 shulabramble Festers sounds awful but I kinda like it
15:19 sleary terranm++ # Thank you for managing Feedback Fest!
15:19 redavis terranm++
15:19 shulabramble terranm++
15:19 shulabramble release_team_3.15++
15:20 redavis gmcharlt++ abneiman++
15:20 abneiman terranm++ feedback-festers++
15:20 shulabramble gmcharlt++ abneiman++
15:20 collum terranm++
15:20 terranm And Bmagic++ and JBoyer++ for building test servers!
15:20 shulabramble bmagic++ jboyer++
15:20 abneiman do we want to talk about point releases next week?
15:20 redavis Bmagic++ JBoyer++
15:20 redavis abneiman, honestly? I'm not sure. Just one sec.
15:21 redavis Okay, so we have volunteers for everything. Basically
15:22 shulabramble redavis++
15:22 redavis I do think it would be good to coordinate a little in terms of the uploading. We needs someone with lupin access to step forward.
15:23 redavis Unless Bmagic has it - and he does
15:23 Bmagic I'll do it
15:23 redavis So he might also be able to do the 3.15.0 uploads as well.
15:23 shulabramble bmagic++
15:23 redavis Bmagic++
15:23 abneiman Bmagic++
15:24 redavis If possible, it would be nice to have a joint meeting of release teams, recognizing there's some overlap. Just to make sure we're not getting into one another's way(s).
15:24 abneiman there's at least three of us on both
15:24 abneiman redavis, mantis, me
15:25 redavis Exactly. So the choreography will be both beautiful and potentially crazy.
15:25 shulabramble a Bob Fosse release.
15:26 terranm lol
15:26 * sleary shimmies
15:26 redavis There will be two point releases - to 3.14.5 and 3.13.10
15:26 redavis And, of course, 3.15.0
15:26 redavis abneiman, can we poll for a meeting at the beginning of next week?
15:27 abneiman redavis: yeah I'll do that *jazz hands*
15:27 redavis or whenever *waves hands vaguely at an imaginary calendar and time as a construct*
15:27 redavis abneiman++
15:27 shulabramble abneiman++
15:28 redavis It'll be action packed. Tell your friends. Wear sensible shoes and bring a waterproof jacket.
15:28 shulabramble correction, tap shoes and a sequin jacket that'll sparkle under the stage lights.
15:28 abneiman I was gonna say, I thought we were going for crazy / beautiful
15:28 abneiman I'll wear the sequins
15:29 terranm This is why we need video meetings
15:29 abneiman :-D
15:29 * shulabramble has her fingers crossed for potential news and changes.
15:29 redavis I mean...that could work. Crazy/beautiful for me often includes manure and a fingernail brush.
15:29 sleary that movie had a great soundtrack...
15:30 sleary ANYWAY
15:30 redavis lol!!!
15:30 shulabramble any further point release/3.15 business to discuss?
15:31 redavis Not unless you want more :D
15:31 shulabramble only if we're sticking with the theatrical theme. my b.a. is in drama, after all.
15:32 shulabramble but otherwise, please prepare for a wall of text.
15:32 shulabramble #topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern)
15:32 shulabramble #topic Snapshot
15:32 shulabramble #info Open Bugs - 3257
15:32 shulabramble #info Pullrequests - 62
15:32 shulabramble #info Signedoff - 36
15:32 shulabramble #info Needswork - 98
15:32 shulabramble #info Needstestplan - 3
15:32 shulabramble #info Needsrebase - 25
15:32 shulabramble #topic Updates Since Last Meeting
15:32 shulabramble #info Bugs Added - 82
15:32 shulabramble #info Pullrequest tag Added - 74
15:32 shulabramble #info Signedoff tag Added - 77
15:32 shulabramble #info Needswork tag Added - 18
15:32 shulabramble #info Needstestplan tag Added - 1
15:32 shulabramble #info Needsrebase tag Added - 10
15:32 shulabramble #info Fix Committed - 67
15:32 * mmorgan added a last minute Hatch topic: bug 2076921
15:32 pinesol Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076921 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin)
15:33 shulabramble Ooops!
15:33 shulabramble #topic Hatch
15:33 shulabramble #topic Can bug 2076921 be marked Fix Released or is there more to do? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2076921
15:33 jeff I believe that's done and fixed, new release is deployed, nothing exploded!
15:33 jeff I'll mark it as such.
15:33 mmorgan jeff++
15:33 sleary jeff++ berick++
15:34 shulabramble jeff++ berick++
15:34 mmorgan berick++
15:34 jeff Since there weren't changes required to Evergreen itself, there's no real "included in release X"
15:34 jeff berick++
15:34 berick the Hatch branch still needs merging
15:35 jeff ah. drat. ok, I'll do that also. did we need/want to bump the version in the Firefox extension "store"? I don't think anything needed to change...
15:35 berick oh yeah which may mean modifing the Firefox build docs
15:35 berick sicne there's an alternate manifest
15:36 jeff I'll wrap things up in the next few days with berick's help, as soon as Launchpad stops throwing ISEs.
15:36 shulabramble jeff++
15:36 berick jeff++ # i'm around
15:37 shulabramble berick++
15:37 jeff berick++ again
15:38 jeff ah. #launchpad topic says: "Launchpad DB OS upgrade - planned outage coming up, some services stopped in preparation"
15:38 abneiman jeff++ berick++
15:38 abneiman launchpad--
15:39 shulabramble Okay, moving on then?
15:39 shulabramble #topic New Business
15:39 * jeff nods
15:40 shulabramble Any last minute new business?
15:41 abneiman conference developer update?
15:41 abneiman as in, any volunteers to do said?
15:41 abneiman since this is our last mtg before the conference
15:41 * redavis watches and reads.
15:42 redavis abneiman, would you be willing?
15:43 abneiman sure, but happy to hand it off if anyone else would like to do it
15:43 redavis cuz you have so much free time (this is not true)
15:43 abneiman looooooooollllllllllllsssssooooobbbbb
15:44 abneiman well if anyone gets a compelling urge to do the dev update let me know, otherwise I'll pencil it in
15:44 shulabramble abneiman++ (infinite)
15:44 redavis abneiman++
15:44 mmorgan abneiman++
15:45 jeff historically, the last dev meeting before the conference is quite early for selecting who speaks. ;-)
15:45 redavis historically. unprecidented times, these.
15:45 abneiman jeff, this is a fair point
15:46 * shulabramble is missing the conference this year because of unprecedented times locally.
15:46 abneiman and I recall more than a few conferences where slides were slapped together the night before, perhaps with an assist from some alcohol
15:46 redavis unprecedented? (IRC, why no spellcheck for the redavises?)
15:46 abneiman unpresidented
15:46 shulabramble alcohol++
15:47 terranm abneiman I thought that was part of the tradition
15:47 sleary procrastination++
15:47 abneiman listen, if y'all want to take it back in the name of Tradition, I will NOT stand in the way
15:47 * redavis invokes alfred e. neuman.
15:47 * shulabramble starts singing "Tradition".
15:48 shulabramble ...like a developer on the roof.
15:48 redavis (and still 13 minutes to go)
15:48 redavis (12)
15:48 shulabramble okay, moving on then...
15:48 shulabramble #topic Announcements
15:48 abneiman and who writes dev updates
15:48 abneiman while drinking all the beer?
15:48 abneiman delivering some slides
15:48 abneiman that might not all be clear
15:48 abneiman the developerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs the developers! Tradition!
15:48 shulabramble #info Next Meeting is 13 May 2025
15:48 shulabramble lol!!!
15:49 shulabramble abneiman++
15:49 terranm abneiman++
15:49 redavis abneiman++
15:50 shulabramble Any further announcements?
15:50 * shulabramble sings "Signoff, rebase, signoff, rebase, swiftly go the bugs..."
15:51 abneiman shulabramble: we can 100% do a Fiddler-themed developer update
15:51 redavis shulabramble++
15:51 shulabramble theatrics++
15:52 shulabramble okay, if there are no further announcements, then with eight minutes remaining.
15:52 shulabramble #endmeeting
15:52 pinesol Meeting ended Tue Apr  8 15:52:15 2025 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:52 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2025/evergreen.2025-04-08-15.00.html
15:52 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2025/evergreen.2025-04-08-15.00.txt
15:52 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2025/evergreen.2025-04-08-15.00.log.html
15:52 sleary shulabramble++
15:52 mmorgan shulabramble++
15:52 jeff shulabramble++
15:52 abneiman shulabramble++
15:52 terranm shulabramble++
15:53 collum shlabramble++
15:54 collum May the Lord bless and keep the precedents far away from us.
15:54 Bmagic shlabramble++
15:55 mantis shulabramble++
15:55 shulabramble collum++
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16:08 jeff oh, that launchpad maintenance also explains why launchpad email stopped being sent (and just picked back up)
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17:07 jihpringle for those that were following along earlier (redavis) it seems that old Chrome and old operating systems (like Windows 7) are the culprit for making Evergreen transparent
17:17 * jeffdavis cries
17:30 sleary I guess we should add that to the release notes. >.<
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