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Bmagic |
I think I forgot to share our dog sledding video: https://youtu.be/mmh6LCfYf4I?si=nRGsEsTpvWww3gwu |
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| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
Bummer. Can't save it to watch later. |
| 11:20 |
Bmagic |
weird! |
| 11:25 |
Dyrcona |
It's "Made for Kids" according to Youtube, so one cannot save it to a playlist, which I think is plain dumb, but apparently, "It's the law." |
| 11:26 |
Bmagic |
I see, well, that was a choice I made when walking through the video upload procedure. It is kid friendly, so I checked that box. The implications weren't clear. Interesting. I think I can change that setting after the fact. |
| 11:29 |
Dyrcona |
Don't worry about it. The algorithm might decide it's made for kids anyway, even if you switch it. |
| 11:29 |
Bmagic |
I changed it. Skimming https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9528076?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-do-i-know-if-i-should-set-my-content-as-not-made-for-kids - I don't think the video broke any laws by claiming to be made for kids |
| 11:29 |
Bmagic |
But I changed it anyway |
| 11:30 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I mean the not being able to save it to a list is apparently part of COPPA or implied by COPPA or something.... |
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| 12:16 |
csharp_ |
Bmagic++ |
| 12:18 |
Bmagic |
csharp_: you'll be proud to know that I edited that video on a Linux desktop OS, using FlowBlade |
| 12:19 |
csharp_ |
YES |
| 12:20 |
csharp_ |
speaking of open source coolness, I downloaded all my Kindle ebooks before they did the lockdown of being able to download them to your local computer and was able to remove DRM from them with Calibre + DeDRM |
| 12:21 |
csharp_ |
so now my whole library is portable across devices |
| 12:21 |
csharp_ |
trying to de-Amazon myself as much as possible |
| 12:21 |
csharp_ |
. |
| 12:28 |
Bmagic |
csharp_++ |
| 12:28 |
Bmagic |
MS Copilot integration in the OS is pushing me away too |
| 12:29 |
jeffdavis |
I might not be able to make the dev meeting today. Just want to say I think we should test and commit Blake's branch (which removes 1416 and provides a fix for folks who have already run it) and include it in the next point releases. |
| 12:29 |
Bmagic |
jeffdavis++ |
| 12:37 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis++ # I'll paste what you said and an #info when we get there if you're not able to attend. |
| 12:37 |
Dyrcona |
s/and/as/ |
| 12:38 |
jeffdavis |
Dyrcona++ |
| 12:38 |
jeffdavis |
fire_inspection++ ; fire_inspection_interrupting_my_workday-- |
| 12:41 |
Dyrcona |
calibre++ |
| 12:43 |
Dyrcona |
And, then you get an email about a TOS update for a website that you forgot you signed up for several years ago. |
| 12:46 |
jonadab |
Do normal people not set up filters to move related mail into a subfolder, whenever they sign up for things? |
| 12:48 |
Dyrcona |
Normal people don't filters even exist, in my experience. They have inboxes with 3,000 unread messages. |
| 12:49 |
Dyrcona |
I have filters, but I don't automatically filter everything, just the stuff that I care about. |
| 12:49 |
Bmagic |
gmail re-trained the humans to just have the "Everything" look |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
I also prefer to get some things in my inbox, then move them later, like mail from my bank. |
| 12:53 |
Dyrcona |
Another "fun" thing about old accounts: I've gone back to sites that I haven't visited in a while to find out that my profile/account was deleted from lack of use. Fair enough. |
| 12:54 |
jonadab |
Oh, I long ago resigned myself to treating the default "inbox" where everything goes that's *not* filtered, as a cesspool of garbage that I don't look through. |
| 12:54 |
Dyrcona |
That's what Spamassassin and the Trash folder are for, but I know a few people who use Trash like it's just another folder. |
| 12:54 |
jonadab |
Though I occasionally run searches against it when looking for something particular. |
| 12:55 |
jonadab |
I'm enough of a packrat that I keep the trash on the theory that I might want to run statistics against it or something. |
| 12:55 |
Dyrcona |
I do get some junk that I should unsubscribe from. |
| 12:56 |
Dyrcona |
I clear my trash frequently, and have Thunderbird do it automatically when I quit. |
| 12:56 |
jonadab |
(Trash email, that is. Not real-world trash. THAT I throw out. Because there's no automated way to run statistics on physical junk mail.) |
| 12:56 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 12:58 |
Dyrcona |
GMail for work is different, but I do use filters and have messages deleted from Trash after 30 days. |
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| 13:34 |
berick |
jeffdavis: we're moving to EG 3.14 in the fall and have not had the BC talk yet, but I can confirm BC is not waiting on 2075391 |
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| 14:02 |
* shulabramble |
bursts in and announces that it's 58 minutes until the Developer Meeting. |
| 14:03 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 14:29 |
shulabramble |
31 minute warning (because I'm gonna toast a bagel now and thus will miss the 30 minute warning) |
| 14:30 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble++ # I love bagels |
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| 14:36 |
shulabramble |
Bagels are so dang good but they've also been my main source of calories the last two days :) |
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| 14:45 |
shulabramble |
15 minute warning. |
| 14:51 |
shulabramble |
9 minutes to developer meeting; smoke 'em if you got 'em |
| 14:56 |
shulabramble |
240 seconds (approx) to developer meeting |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#startmeeting 2025-03-11 - Developer Meeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Mar 11 15:00:07 2025 US/Eastern. The chair is shulabramble. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2025_03_11___developer_meeting' |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
And we're off! |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#topic Introductions |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CWMARS |
| 15:00 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, NOBLE |
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| 15:00 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, EOLI |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS |
| 15:00 |
briank |
#info briank = Brian Kennedy, BCLC |
| 15:00 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridg, EOLI |
| 15:00 |
redavis |
#info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, Evergreen Collaborative Development Initiative (ECDI) |
| 15:01 |
shulabramble |
#info shulabramble = Shula Link, GCHRL (and Clarabelle the Stuffed Bunny joins me today) |
| 15:01 |
mmorgan1 |
#info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE |
| 15:01 |
smayo |
#info smayo = Steven Mayo, PINES |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
Clarabelle++ |
| 15:01 |
mdriscoll |
#info mdriscoll = Martha Driscoll, NOBLE |
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| 15:02 |
sleary |
#info sleary = Stephanie Leary, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
mantis |
# info mantis = Gina Monti, Bibliomation |
| 15:03 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:03 |
eeevil |
#info eeevil = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
Latecomers can continue to make introductions as we get going |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
#topic Action Items from Last Meeting |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
#topic eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:05 |
* eeevil |
looks in the tuit basket, sees none growing ... |
| 15:05 |
eeevil |
not yet :( |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
#action eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
#topic awaiting word from gmcharlt concerning bug 2051946 |
| 15:06 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
who was in contact with Galen about this? probably should've made a note of that in the action item :) |
| 15:07 |
abneiman |
nominally me, but I can promise that his tuits basket is similarly empty |
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| 15:08 |
shulabramble81 |
Anything on the the git commit message template? |
| 15:08 |
Dyrcona |
It doesn't have to be gmcharlt who creates a commit template. |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble81 |
True enough. Does anyone want to volunteer to take this on? |
| 15:09 |
Dyrcona |
I'll at least have a look to see what's required. |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble81 |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:10 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:10 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble81 |
#action Dyrcona will look into bug 2051946 |
| 15:10 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 15:11 |
Dyrcona |
I know how to add one locally at least. |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble81 |
#topic gmcharlt will reach out about POeditor git stuff prior to next point release cycle |
| 15:11 |
abneiman |
this has been done, AFAIK |
| 15:12 |
abneiman |
but anyone who is actually a POeditor user should confirm |
| 15:12 |
shulabramble |
do we have a POeditor in the house? |
| 15:12 |
redavis |
I believe that mantis is now. |
| 15:13 |
redavis |
And perhaps also mmorgan |
| 15:13 |
sleary |
and Dyrcona, I believe |
| 15:13 |
redavis |
Yes |
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| 15:14 |
mantis |
I was only able to do it once so far in the releases |
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* mmorgan |
is a POeditor, what am I looking for? |
| 15:15 |
Dyrcona |
I don't know if we have git integration with POEditor. I haven't heard anything and haven't looked. |
| 15:16 |
shulabramble |
so what I think I'm hearing is we need testing to confirm the integration? |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
shulabramble, I guess so. |
| 15:17 |
abneiman |
sounds that way, I can ping gmcharlt again |
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| 15:17 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ redavis++ |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
Or someone to verify/confirm that gmcharlt did follow up. |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:18 |
shulabramble |
#action abneiman will follow up with gmcharlt cf. git POeditor integration |
| 15:18 |
mmorgan |
In POeditor, I see GitLab and GitHub in 'Integrations', but those both lead to: 'You do not have the right plan to access this feature' |
| 15:18 |
Dyrcona |
I'm looking at POEditor, and I can't tell. |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
Under the project settings, it looks like integration still needs to be set up. |
| 15:20 |
abneiman |
can any poeditor admin do that? |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
Nope. Only the project owner. |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
It needed to be the "owner" |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
Which is gmcharlt |
| 15:20 |
abneiman |
bleh ok |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
"Integrations with Git hosting services can be used to easily transfer strings between POEditor and Git repos. They can be set up by the project owner (user or organization)." |
| 15:21 |
abneiman |
let's move on, I'll post an update later if I have one |
| 15:21 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:21 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:22 |
Bmagic |
maybe we should first, make an agenda item to get that account under an EG generic account rather than an individual? |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
I was going to ask if that's a bottleneck we need to address |
| 15:23 |
Dyrcona |
Well, in the long run, yes. |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
I'll take the action item if you want |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
and transferring ownership would have to be discussed with gmcharlt |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
bmagic++ |
| 15:25 |
shulabramble |
#action Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account |
| 15:25 |
shulabramble |
#topic sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month |
| 15:26 |
sleary |
still in progress |
| 15:26 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ |
| 15:26 |
shulabramble |
#action sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month |
| 15:26 |
shulabramble |
and the last item from last month... |
| 15:26 |
shulabramble |
#topic abneiman will discuss moving the developer's meeting with shulabramble and poll the community |
| 15:27 |
* abneiman |
waves hands |
| 15:27 |
abneiman |
nope nope |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
i know this hasn't happened but will one day! :) |
| 15:27 |
abneiman |
someday |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
IRC for life |
| 15:27 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 15:27 |
redavis |
ugh |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
lol |
| 15:27 |
abneiman |
I lowkey hate IRC meetings but I have just been swamped |
| 15:28 |
* shulabramble |
tattoos #evergreen 4 lyfe on her forearm. |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
lowkey <- hilarious |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
say it fast and it sound like a Marvel character |
| 15:28 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ we'll get around to it before 2026 |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
hopefully |
| 15:28 |
* abneiman |
knocks on wood |
| 15:28 |
eeevil |
obligatory https://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 15:29 |
mantis |
xkcd++ |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
xkcd++ |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
And Skype just closed |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
(or is closing) |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
I'm fully in favor of the galactic consciousness singularity |
| 15:29 |
abneiman |
eeevil++ |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
eeevil++ |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
eeevil++ |
| 15:29 |
* redavis |
wants a nap before the singularity |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
Bene Gesserit mind melding or something in the wake of the Butlerian Jihad |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
eeevil++ |
| 15:30 |
redavis |
ugh. bene gesserit. I want another nap. |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
eeevil++ |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
#action abneiman will discuss moving the developer's meeting with shulabramble and poll the community |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates |
| 15:30 |
abneiman |
... at some point hopefully prior to the singularity and/or the heat death of the universe |
| 15:31 |
redavis |
heat_death_of_the_universe++ |
| 15:31 |
shulabramble |
if it takes until the singularity, it takes until the singularity. at least that will make the discussion easier. |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
The singularity has already come. You just haven't noticed, yet. |
| 15:31 |
abneiman |
sob |
| 15:31 |
Bmagic |
agreed |
| 15:31 |
shulabramble |
twist: the singularity uses IRC internally. |
| 15:31 |
Bmagic |
hence: we're in IRC |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
Though, I guess it depends on what you mean by singularity. |
| 15:31 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:32 |
phasefx |
other than polish, I don't know why web interface to IRC isn't good enough for people ;) |
| 15:32 |
eeevil |
let's just use slac-- oh... |
| 15:32 |
shulabramble |
there's nothing on the agenda re:Updates for OpenSRF, Evergreen, or Hatch. Any news on those fronts that needs reporting? |
| 15:32 |
abneiman |
yes there is! refresh! |
| 15:32 |
redavis |
phasefx, it allows people too much flexibility to "multi-task" |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:33 |
abneiman |
feature slush is tomorrow - please pullrequest those feature! |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
#topic Evergreen |
| 15:33 |
phasefx |
redavis: ah, we're wanting cameras |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
#info Feature Slush is 12-03-2025 |
| 15:33 |
redavis |
phasefx, if that's what it takes for engagement and attention... |
| 15:34 |
abneiman |
#info request from core committers to review / signoff / merge features prior to freeze, currently scheduled for Tuesday March 18 |
| 15:34 |
shulabramble |
#info Beta 3.15 scheduled for Wednesday 26-03-2025 |
| 15:34 |
abneiman |
#info https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap:3.15 |
| 15:34 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
This also brings up the question of monthly maintenance releases |
| 15:35 |
mmorgan |
abneiman++ |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
Maintenance releases 3.14.4 and 3.13.9 were released in February with very little drama. Many thanks to the release team. |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
Maintenance releases 3.14.5 and 3.13.10 are currently scheduled for March 19. Currently there are 4 commits for 3.14.5 and 2 for 3.13.10. With the upcoming major release of 3.15, could/should these releases be postponed? |
| 15:35 |
eeevil |
<voice style="bernie"> I AM ONCE AGAIN ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT </> ... or, at least eyes, for looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2067414, the RESTful API server |
| 15:35 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2067414 in Evergreen "wishlist: RESTful API for Patron Tools" [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
| 15:35 |
abneiman |
hold please, I'm not done with 3.15 |
| 15:35 |
shulabramble |
#info Feedback fest 3/31-4/4 |
| 15:35 |
abneiman |
(this is why I hate IRC meetings in case anyone cared or was wondering) |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
You'd still have this problem in other venues, no? |
| 15:36 |
abneiman |
from EOLI, I can tell you that RESTful API is pullrequested and eeevil is here to answer questions. We will likely be slapping pullrequests on Item Alerts Notes and Tags, as well as Quipu eCard, before the end of the day tomorrow |
| 15:37 |
abneiman |
and no, Dyrcona, in my not-so-limited experience, crosstalk in videoconferencing meetings is far less disruptive |
| 15:37 |
shulabramble |
as someone who likes IRC, it's easier to set one person as "having the floor" in Zoom or similar |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
Oh... Videoconferencing...... |
| 15:37 |
abneiman |
anyway. Anyone else who wants to mention / advocate for / call attention to features please do so |
| 15:37 |
abneiman |
as we try valiantly to stay on topic for more than 90 seconds |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
what is time anyway? |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
I don't have anything to advocate for, but I'll see if I can look at some of the things you mentioned, like ecard. |
| 15:38 |
jeffdavis |
I think the REST API feature bears some broader community input before being committed. |
| 15:38 |
shulabramble |
dyrcona++ |
| 15:38 |
abneiman |
regardless, given the amount of committers in this here IRC meeting, I'd appreciate if y'all can review and move along anything on that 3.15 feature list |
| 15:38 |
eeevil |
I'd DEARLY love eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2091748 which is an ingest performance improvement |
| 15:38 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2091748 in Evergreen "Concurrent browse entry update/insert" [Undecided,New] |
| 15:39 |
abneiman |
jeffdavis: are there particular concerns you have with API? |
| 15:40 |
jeffdavis |
Yes. I will post a comment on the LP bug. Right now I'm mostly asking other devs to look and weigh in. |
| 15:40 |
shulabramble |
jeffdavis++ |
| 15:40 |
abneiman |
jeffdavis++ thanks, I am asking that as well |
| 15:41 |
abneiman |
anyway, I cede the floor to redavis and point releases now |
| 15:41 |
eeevil |
yes, please, more eyes! |
| 15:41 |
Bmagic |
eeevil++ # I will install that patch and run some stuff |
| 15:41 |
shulabramble |
#topic Point Releases |
| 15:41 |
redavis |
Recopying - Maintenance releases 3.14.4 and 3.13.9 were released in February with very little drama. Many thanks to the release team. |
| 15:41 |
redavis |
Maintenance releases 3.14.5 and 3.13.10 are currently scheduled for March 19. Currently there are 4 commits for 3.14.5 and 2 for 3.13.10. With the upcoming major release of 3.15, could/should these releases be postponed? |
| 15:41 |
mantis |
postpone++ if there are few commits personally |
| 15:41 |
redavis |
And, whether they are postponed or not, we need volunteers. Sign up today...tomorrow...yesterday... |
| 15:42 |
redavis |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?gid=0#gid=0 |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
I'd say it depends on if we think more bug fixes will go in after and if we think enough hands will be available to roll them out. |
| 15:42 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ dyrcona++ |
| 15:42 |
abneiman |
no opinion on postponement, but noting that this will put April 16th as releaseapalooza with 3.15.0 as well as point releases slated for the same day. Not a blocker, just an observation. |
| 15:43 |
redavis |
Well, the other question is who is going to have time given the very close proximity to 3.15. I will roll either way. |
| 15:44 |
jeffdavis |
I wonder if bug 2073561 (on the agenda under new business) warrants a point release sooner rather than later? |
| 15:44 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2073561 in Evergreen "Incorrect content in the config.coded_value_map after applying the upgrade script from 3.12.3 to 3.13.0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2073561 |
| 15:44 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: Will a month make much difference? |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I think that's what we're looking at 3 to 4 weeks later for the releases, right? |
| 15:46 |
redavis |
The next date for maintenance releases would be April 16 |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
I don't know if it makes much difference. |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
We are upgrading to 3.14 less than a month from now, but we are familiar enough with the issue that we're already incorporating the fix. |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
We could try to roll with the 3.15-beta release. |
| 15:47 |
redavis |
my two cents are that we either postpone this month or next. |
| 15:47 |
jeffdavis |
We do want the fix in the next point releases whenever those are. I will defer to the folks actually doing the release work on scheduling. |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
So, basically skip this month, which is what i was originally thinking. |
| 15:48 |
redavis |
I'm cool with that, but I would still encourage people to, then, sign up to help with what would be April maintenance releases. |
| 15:48 |
redavis |
So far, it's no one. |
| 15:48 |
Dyrcona |
Does anyone here install monthly updates and have an opinion that we're not hearing? |
| 15:49 |
abneiman |
yes, definitely sign up - since several release people will be tied up with 3.15 during the same time period! |
| 15:49 |
Dyrcona |
Well, there's the issue of volunteers, too. |
| 15:49 |
shulabramble |
#info sign ups are needed for point releases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?gid=0#gid=0 |
| 15:49 |
redavis |
(always) |
| 15:49 |
mantis |
if it's for sure postponed, I don't mind filling in for the point releases |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
Sounds to me like we're postponing. |
| 15:50 |
redavis |
Let's say that it's for sure postponed |
| 15:50 |
redavis |
mantis++ |
| 15:50 |
mantis |
redavis++ |
| 15:50 |
redavis |
bmagic++ |
| 15:50 |
shulabramble |
#info point releases for march postponed until april |
| 15:50 |
mantis |
bmagic++ |
| 15:50 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ bmagic++ mantis++ |
| 15:51 |
shulabramble |
We've got ten minutes left in the hour, so let's clip along |
| 15:51 |
shulabramble |
#topic Documentation |
| 15:51 |
redavis |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:51 |
shulabramble |
#info DIG met on March 6 |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
#info Quick meeting, updates on individuals' documentation projects and questions |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
#info Also got an update on TEP Board's discussion of AI/LLM use with/for documentation. Broader community discussion planned by the Board for Hackfest. |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
#info Debbie will be working to get previous meeting recordings up on the YouTube site |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
#info Next meeting, April 3 |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
#info https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings |
| 15:53 |
shulabramble |
Any other documentation info to be discussed? |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
not DIG's purview, but-- |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
we have an updated VPAT/ACR for 3.14 and it's a vast improvement since 3.11 https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=accessibility:vpat |
| 15:53 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
for anyone who needs that documentation! |
| 15:53 |
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| 15:53 |
mantis |
sleary++ |
| 15:54 |
shulabramble |
#info we have an updated VPAT/ACR for 3.14 and it's a vast improvement since 3.11 https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=accessibility:vpat |
| 15:54 |
redavis |
sleary++ |
| 15:54 |
abneiman |
sleary++ indeed |
| 15:54 |
sleary |
thanks to the Board for commissioning that |
| 15:55 |
redavis |
It's definitely a feel good doc this time around. Or a "feel better" doc. |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
board++ |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
now everyone brace for the wall of text |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#topic Snapshot |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Open Bugs - 3250 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequests - 83 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff - 21 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork - 88 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan - 2 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase - 26 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates Since Last Meeting |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Bugs Added - 77 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequest tag Added - 26 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff tag Added - 15 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork tag Added - 4 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan tag Added - 0 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase tag Added - 1 |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
#info Fix Committed - 11 |
| 15:56 |
shulabramble |
#topic New Business |
| 15:56 |
shulabramble |
#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2073561 Action before next point releases? |
| 15:56 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2073561 in Evergreen "Incorrect content in the config.coded_value_map after applying the upgrade script from 3.12.3 to 3.13.0" [High,Confirmed] |
| 15:57 |
mmorgan |
Wanted to put this out there since it's an important bug, and needs to be addressed before the next releases. |
| 15:57 |
shulabramble |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:58 |
mmorgan |
Does anyone have concerns about Bmagic's branch? |
| 15:58 |
sleary |
Bmagic IIRC you said that it would overwrite people's local CCVM data rather than just leaving it as it was before the upgrade? |
| 15:59 |
Bmagic |
confirmed: it will truncate your table. But it's clear from the release notes |
| 16:00 |
shulabramble |
bmagic++ |
| 16:00 |
csharp_ |
what a mess |
| 16:00 |
mmorgan |
I think I read it incorrectly then. Does it not just remove the upgrade script and see data and leave the tables as they were before upgrade? |
| 16:01 |
mmorgan |
/see/seed |
| 16:01 |
kmlussier |
I need to run to another meeting, but i just wanted to add my two cents that my main concern is that the upgrade script be removed so that no more EG libraries create a mess of this table. |
| 16:01 |
shulabramble |
kmlussier++ |
| 16:01 |
sleary |
kmlussier++ |
| 16:01 |
Bmagic |
My branch does remove the upgrade script, as well as the 961 file |
| 16:02 |
Dyrcona |
I'd like to look at it more closely, but I agree we should just drop the 1416 upgrade. |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=blobdiff;f=Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/upgrade/1416.data.updated_marc_tag_tables.sql;h=d91c0b6007095d5c7cf54d22052940c8e42a5491;hp=497e2f5a9af547ecec23a40e50664cdaf57c4fd4;hb=41a25170491f727c815ceb7b5bdc283a009d5259;hpb=7b18b3bd51fc72e1b4fba68391085c02d9b92bad |
| 16:03 |
Bmagic |
that probably got clipped |
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| 16:03 |
csharp_ |
Bmagic: maybe add a \qecho or RAISE NOTICE notifying an admin to see the bug report or the docs/release notes? |
| 16:03 |
* mmorgan |
would lean toward dropping the upgrade script, and not touching the tables. |
| 16:03 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, but I don't have time to come to an opinion right now. I think we could avoid replacing ccvm if the previous upgrade has not been run. |
| 16:03 |
csharp_ |
include the script as an example/option? |
| 16:04 |
csharp_ |
(data truncate/replacement script, I mean) |
| 16:04 |
Bmagic |
https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=41a25170491f727c815ceb7b5bdc283a009d5259 |
| 16:05 |
Dyrcona |
Looks like the fix is optional, but I still want to look at the whole thing. |
| 16:05 |
Bmagic |
right: optional |
| 16:05 |
shulabramble |
dyrcona++ |
| 16:06 |
mmorgan |
We can continue discussion on the lp bug, and now have a little more breathing room before releases. |
| 16:06 |
shulabramble |
mmorgan++ |
| 16:06 |
Dyrcona |
I've assigned the bug to myself. I'll take a look this week. |
| 16:07 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona++ |
| 16:07 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
#action Dyrcona will look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2073561 |
| 16:07 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2073561 in Evergreen "Incorrect content in the config.coded_value_map after applying the upgrade script from 3.12.3 to 3.13.0" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
#topic Announcements |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
#info Next Meeting is April 8, 2025 |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
anything else? |
| 16:07 |
csharp_ |
I have something |
| 16:08 |
* shulabramble |
cedes the floor to csharp_ |
| 16:08 |
csharp_ |
those of you watching IRC within the last couple of weeks saw my misadventures with Mailman... |
| 16:08 |
csharp_ |
bug 2062960 |
| 16:08 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2062960 in mailman-suite (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 24.04 mailman3-web fails install on clean system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2062960 |
| 16:08 |
* redavis |
nods |
| 16:09 |
csharp_ |
current status is that the mail side of the lists are functional, and we can admin/moderate directly on the server for the moment |
| 16:09 |
shulabramble |
csharp++ |
| 16:10 |
mmorgan |
csharp_++ |
| 16:10 |
csharp_ |
we have a firewall change ticket in with ITS that I should hear back about this week, which will allow us to use LetsEncrypt to install SSL certs and finally get the web stuff going |
| 16:10 |
shulabramble |
csharp_++ even |
| 16:10 |
redavis |
csharp_++ |
| 16:10 |
csharp_ |
sorry for the trouble - 20.04 is going out of support and I don't like having things linger |
| 16:10 |
csharp_ |
would have planned it properly if I had done a tiny bit of research |
| 16:11 |
shulabramble |
no trouble at all, these things happen and there's been A Lot Going On |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
What about switching to Debian? |
| 16:12 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: I looked at that - similar issues on currently-supported Debian stable releases |
| 16:12 |
csharp_ |
basically there are gaps between OS releases even having a Mailman package to install at all |
| 16:12 |
csharp_ |
24.04 is basically current sid, or maybe testing |
| 16:13 |
csharp_ |
so kind of a bad situation from top to bottom |
| 16:15 |
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| 16:15 |
shulabramble |
csharp_++ |
| 16:15 |
shulabramble |
anything else? |
| 16:15 |
shulabramble |
in that case |
| 16:15 |
Bmagic |
what about installing from source? Or was that already covered?> |
| 16:16 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:16 |
csharp_ |
Bmagic: I used Python pip to install it |
| 16:16 |
csharp_ |
which has worked fine |
| 16:16 |
Bmagic |
cool |
| 16:16 |
csharp_ |
the web side needs valid SSL to proceed |
| 16:16 |
csharp_ |
it's close |
| 16:16 |
Bmagic |
so, really, it's all setup, just need certs now? |
| 16:16 |
csharp_ |
yeahp |
| 16:17 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble: sorry, continue |
| 16:17 |
shulabramble |
it's okay! |
| 16:17 |
shulabramble |
I was just going to say |
| 16:17 |
shulabramble |
#endmeeting |
| 16:17 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 16:17:47 2025 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:17 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-03-11-15.00.html |
| 16:17 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-03-11-15.00.txt |
| 16:17 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-03-11-15.00.log.html |
| 16:17 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:18 |
abneiman |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:18 |
eeevil |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:18 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:18 |
eeevil |
csharp_: fwiw, mailman ain't alone in that camp. SimpleSAMLphp has an issue fixed in github since last Nov, but broken in all packaging systems AFAICT. elderly, small (but important to its users) project problems... :( |
| 16:44 |
csharp_ |
eeevil: :-( |
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