| Time |
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| 08:23 |
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| 09:27 |
Dyrcona |
Installed updates for the Intel APU camera on Ubuntu 22.04 this morning, and my camera doesn't work. :( |
| 09:28 |
redavis |
Ugh |
| 10:12 |
* Dyrcona |
will try a few things. |
| 10:14 |
Dyrcona |
It's not working in Zoom, either.... |
| 10:16 |
Dyrcona |
Everything seems crashy this morning. |
| 10:16 |
mmorgan |
Bad technology day :-/ |
| 10:18 |
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| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
Looks like. I may reboot for a third (or it fourth?) time. |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
BRB. |
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| 10:26 |
Dyrcona |
All right. We'll see if a Power Off and then turning it back on helps. (I've seen a restart not clear things out so well before.) |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
Nope. Camera not working in Zoom... Guess I'll file a bug on Lp. (I wouldn't be surprised if upgrading to Ubuntu 24.04 fixes the camera issue. The camera not working was why I reinstalled Ubuntu 22.04 back in October.) |
| 10:29 |
Bmagic |
It's tradition, camera's, modem's, and other "Exotic" USB things don't work (in Linux) :) |
| 10:29 |
Bmagic |
I blame the controller chip manufacturer |
| 10:30 |
Bmagic |
You didn't want it to actually work did you? |
| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: No, they usually do just work in Linux if you don't get the latest and greatest all the time. I have honestly had fewer issues with Linux and hardware than other operating systems. That's also because I do my research. |
| 10:31 |
Dyrcona |
The updates for the APU Intel DPMI camera that I installed this morning are probably the problem. |
| 10:31 |
Bmagic |
I agree, if you research all of the exact chip hardware that ships with any given computer model, you can come out smelling a bit more rosy |
| 10:31 |
Dyrcona |
In this case I blame Dell mostly. |
| 10:32 |
Bmagic |
I'm excited for the COSMIC desktop that Pop!_OS is working on |
| 10:33 |
Dyrcona |
I do find that most stuff just works, though. It depends on the manufacturers following standards. I avoid a few manufacturers for the reason that I know they always do proprietary mumbo jumbo. Oftentimes, the cheap stuff from some unknown Chinese manufacturer just works. :) |
| 10:34 |
Dyrcona |
I dropped System76 because they use Clevo hardware, and I've found Clevo to be hit or miss. I've had to return at least 3 of the 5 or 6 Clevos I've bought over the years. I've had a couple that were just great, though. |
| 10:35 |
Bmagic |
the OS is available for free though |
| 10:38 |
Dyrcona |
I'll stick with Ubuntu (on work hardware) and Arch thanks. :) |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
I sometimes wonder how there's a "market" for so many different Linux distributions. I guess there are plenty of geeks with plenty of free time. |
| 10:47 |
csharp_ |
TOO MANY GEEKS... er, SECRETS |
| 10:47 |
csharp_ |
deep cut for jeff and other Sneakers fans |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
Sneakers is probably the most accurate portrayal of hackers on film, ever. |
| 10:48 |
csharp_ |
I have loved that movie since it came out on video |
| 10:49 |
csharp_ |
(I don't think it screened near me when it was in the theaters) |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
Strike the "probably." It is the most accurate portrayal of hacking on film. |
| 10:49 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: seen Mr. Robot yet? |
| 10:50 |
Bmagic |
Sneakers remains one of my fav's as well. Loved the braille keyboard + hacking |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, I have. |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
I put Mr. Robot at #3: 1. Sneakers, 2. War Games, 3. Mr. Robot. |
| 10:50 |
csharp_ |
nice |
| 10:50 |
csharp_ |
DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME? |
| 10:51 |
Dyrcona |
Though, I think WOPR was a bit more capable in the film than it would have been in real life. |
| 10:51 |
Bmagic |
That should be in pinesol's rolladex |
| 10:51 |
Bmagic |
(It might be already) |
| 10:51 |
Dyrcona |
pinesol: DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME? |
| 10:51 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Yeah, well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man. |
| 10:52 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: I hadn't seen it when I was a kid, but it appears to be Dr. Strangelove redux |
| 10:52 |
csharp_ |
(hadn't seen Dr. Strangelove, that is) |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
Well, yes, but no. :) |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
Dr. Stragelove is one of my favorite films of all time. |
| 10:52 |
csharp_ |
sooo good |
| 10:52 |
berick |
+1 |
| 10:53 |
csharp_ |
@dunno add DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME? |
| 10:53 |
pinesol |
csharp_: The operation succeeded. Dunno #90 added. |
| 10:54 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ # Dr. Stranglove, heck yeah. Mandrake! Get over here and feed me this belt. |
| 10:54 |
Bmagic |
"Children's ice cream, Mandrake?" |
| 10:54 |
csharp_ |
for anyone following this season of "PINES Upgrade", I've decided we're going live with RediSRF and not yet going to use SIP2 Mediator |
| 10:54 |
csharp_ |
Bmagic++ |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
There's a map in Battle for Wesnoth that is Strangelove's name in German: Merkweurdigleibe. The map notes even claim that was what Kubrick said Strangelove's name was in German. |
| 10:55 |
Bmagic |
csharp_++ |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_++ |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
That's basically where we're at with our next upgrade. |
| 10:56 |
csharp_ |
Col. Bat Guano if that is your name |
| 10:56 |
Dyrcona |
Speaking of: I owe Bmagic a reply on that topic. |
| 10:56 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:56 |
Dyrcona |
"Listen, Col. Bat Guano, if that is your name...." |
| 10:57 |
Dyrcona |
You'll have to answer to the Coca-Cola company.... |
| 10:57 |
berick |
Bmagic: whatever happened to your routers? |
| 10:57 |
berick |
csharp_++ |
| 10:57 |
Dyrcona |
That's one of the most surreal dialogs in cinema when you consider the context. |
| 10:57 |
csharp_ |
I actually did get to see that for the first time in a crowded theater - UGA's student center played an amazing array of films back in the day |
| 10:57 |
Bmagic |
berick: I've checked it daily. It hasn't segfaulted again. (it's not in a container anymore) |
| 10:57 |
berick |
csharp_: the Tate! |
| 10:58 |
csharp_ |
now it's all digital and jealously guarded by copyright holders :-( |
| 10:58 |
berick |
Bmagic: k, gotcha |
| 10:58 |
csharp_ |
berick: so many good times there |
| 10:58 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
We had a service crashe with RedisRF on our training server right after we updated, but I won't pin it on Redis because I haven't really looked into it. (I was off the day it happened and Bmagic restarted services.) |
| 11:01 |
Dyrcona |
That said, we occasionally had to restart services on the training system before switching from Ejabberd. |
| 11:04 |
Bmagic |
I suspect it's not going to fail whilst not in a container. It's a combination of being in a container and* a large volume of action triggers. I also think it's hardware related. So, I'm thinking of making this side-machine a permanant machine just for this set of action triggers |
| 11:05 |
Bmagic |
that said, it didn't segfault on ejabberd.... |
| 11:06 |
berick |
Bmagic: at the risk of muddying the waters, i have a Rust router if you want to try that on your container |
| 11:06 |
berick |
we're not running that in prod yet, but all my dev VMs use it |
| 11:07 |
Dyrcona |
berick: Is that in your rust repo on GH? |
| 11:07 |
berick |
if it crashes, there will be a file + line number + crash message in the kernel logs. none of this C segfault hunting madness. |
| 11:08 |
berick |
Dyrcona: yes |
| 11:08 |
Dyrcona |
I'll see about testing it on of my vms. I'll put it on the one that I plan to use with a test Aspen instance. That should give it a work out. |
| 11:09 |
berick |
Dyrcona++ |
| 11:10 |
Bmagic |
berick++ # This is production, albeit a single cronjob forked off to it's own machine for analyzing. I'm willing to use it as a test bed to hunt down this bug. Because, IMO, the only real way to do it is on production |
| 11:13 |
Dyrcona |
I think I'll get Aspen hooked up, first, and try the Rust router later. I'm already using Redis on that vm. I still have to figure out how to hook Aspen up to Evergreen and get the indexer going. I'll probably pop into Slack to ask questions. |
| 11:15 |
* Dyrcona |
*mumbles* Right. Lp bug about camera not working... |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
Wait a minute... Maybe I read that update wrong and it autoremoved the drivers? |
| 11:22 |
Dyrcona |
I wonder if apt removed them because it thinks the camera is supported in the kernel? (That's part of the irony, really. The camera is supported since kernel 6.10 or 6.11, and if I had switched to Arch, it would have just worked, but Ubuntu 22.04 and 24.04 need drivers installed separately.) |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
dpkg: error processing package intel-ipu6-dkms (--configure): |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
Grr.... |
| 11:24 |
Dyrcona |
Linux feels so much like Windows of the past these days. |
| 11:25 |
* Dyrcona |
tries a reboot. |
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| 11:37 |
* sleary |
just bullied a few people into watching Sneakers over the weekend |
| 11:38 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ |
| 11:38 |
Bmagic |
worht it |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
sleary++ |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
My camera is still not working. |
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| 11:45 |
Bmagic |
time for an external camera while the distro community does their thang |
| 11:46 |
Bmagic |
and there's always WSL2, lol. # just razzin' ya |
| 11:48 |
Dyrcona |
Y'know, I *might* have a really old logitech camera...in a box...somewhere...that would probably take me a couple of hours to find. |
| 11:49 |
Bmagic |
Classic return on investment. In this case, the investment is time. |
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| 12:04 |
Dyrcona |
It might also not be USB, and I might not have it any longer. |
| 12:05 |
Bmagic |
I don't remember external camera's having a connection other than USB. Did they make CardBus cameras? |
| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
I also just installed a new TV in the living room and we deliberately did NOT get a smart TV because we didn't want a camera in it, but if ever I could have used a smart TV..... |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
It was probably USB. It might not even have been "mine." It's like over 20 years old, and I have no idea where it is. |
| 12:06 |
Bmagic |
that old, probably won't work with current' OS's |
| 12:07 |
berick |
you can still get dumb TVs? (I just leave the wifi un-connected) |
| 12:07 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, we found one through Best Buy. It's an outdoor TV, but still looks good on our living room wall. It's small by today's standards, but big enough for the space. |
| 12:10 |
Bmagic |
Great smart TV's comes with great responsibility. My favorite is when [Netf-Param-Disn-HBO-Peac-Appl-...] upgrades their TLS encryption and the LG app store doesn't get a coorisponding app. |
| 12:10 |
Bmagic |
kinda like Hatch, lol |
| 12:12 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 12:13 |
Dyrcona |
We got new phones recently and copied the stuff over. I always have to reinstall a few apps before they work right, like the ADP payroll app |
| 12:13 |
Dyrcona |
Doesn't technology make life so much easier? ;) |
| 12:16 |
Dyrcona |
Actually, I was thinking about this before work this morning. The Matrix claims that 1999 was the peak of human civilization, and so far, I haven't seen anything that debunks that claim. (It shows up on meme sites alot lately, too.) |
| 12:16 |
Bmagic |
haha, totally |
| 12:17 |
Bmagic |
But here's the thing: I think we all took the blue pill, so, we wouldn't know |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
"There is no [pill]." There's also no escaping the Matrix. |
| 12:26 |
Bmagic |
:) |
| 12:33 |
Dyrcona |
Back to Evergreen: I'm trying to remember what's the setting to make URIs work more like copies. Is it a global flag or org. unit setting? |
| 12:35 |
Dyrcona |
It's a global flag: opac.located_uri.act_as_copy |
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| 13:29 |
jeffdavis |
I'm tempted to propose a lightning talk for the next conference called "Web Crawlers: Threat or Menace?" but it would just be me griping for 5 minutes. |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
I think you would have some company. |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
@8ball Is Cory Doctorow correct? |
| 13:31 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: SysTEmContROL ReeStarTT Opan |
| 13:32 |
Dyrcona |
I think pinesol just proved the point.... :) |
| 13:37 |
Bmagic |
jeffdavis++ |
| 14:37 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP#2091015: Fix patron reservation screen advance on failure <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5f380c125a11af9099d12ad8b3fb6692caaffc5> |
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| 14:58 |
csharp_ |
@dunno add This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 14:58 |
pinesol |
csharp_: The operation succeeded. Dunno #91 added. |
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| 15:33 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. I was about to ask someone else here if patron search was busted on our training server, but then I noticed I had the first and last name entries reversed. :P |
| 15:38 |
pinesol |
News from commits: lp1980294 - stamp upgrade script <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=735f056a62951263e997f59c960267f335ce55e6> |
| 15:38 |
pinesol |
News from commits: lp1980294 - Fix Payment Type in money.payment_receipt.print <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=39717be5c40496bea96b2b91128ec693db055408> |
| 15:56 |
csharp_ |
@eightball is the work I'm doing updating our deb-building scripts worth it? |
| 15:56 |
pinesol |
csharp_: What are you asking me for? |
| 15:56 |
csharp_ |
pinesol: good point |
| 15:56 |
pinesol |
csharp_: The {0} can also watch this recording if it’s stored in the cloud. |
| 17:08 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP#2077460: Angular Reporter Confusing Join Selection <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=24cadf14f0b5872d2129d5ebd867eec5506ebfc8> |
| 17:09 |
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| 17:55 |
jeffdavis |
3.13 adds a unique constraint on config.coded_value_map (ctype, code); we have a dozen rows in ccvm that would violate that constraint. |
| 17:56 |
jeffdavis |
The constraint was introduced in bug 2006969 |
| 17:56 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2006969 in Evergreen "wishlist: enhanced MARC editor rewrite" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006969 |
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| 18:03 |
jeffdavis |
For most of the "duplicates" we have one simple and one composite version. |
| 18:03 |
Bmagic |
interesting |
| 18:23 |
jeffdavis |
I wonder if the purpose of the constraint is just to allow use of "INSERT ... ON CONFLICT DO UPDATE" rather than explicitly checking for existing matching values before inserting MARC tag info into ccvm. |
| 18:44 |
jeffdavis |
Our best guess is that we added duplicate entries during our upgrade to 2.4 so that we could have a format dropdown that included both "Books" (user-friendly) and "Language material" (cataloguer jargon) as search options. |
