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| 08:41 |
ian1 |
Good morning, everyone. I'm looking to get a local test environment up and running. Any recommendations? |
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| 09:01 |
mmorgan |
ian1: There's lots of good info on the New Devs working group wiki page: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=newdevs:start |
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ian1 |
Thank you. I'll definitely start there |
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| 09:27 |
mmorgan |
ian1: FWIW, I've used both VirtualBox and Docker and have found Docker to be the shallower learning curve to get an enviroment up and running. I like the persistence of the VirtualBox images, though. |
| 09:29 |
mmorgan |
Feel free to ask questions as you explore! |
| 09:39 |
ian1 |
I initially ran through the install instructions on virtual box running ubuntu jammy, but I like doing my development on Windows primarily. Docker is looking attractive. How long does it take to reset the server to test new changes? I'm coming from a lot of front-end web dev stuff. I miss hot reload. :'( |
| 09:47 |
berick |
mmorgan: building virtualbox images manually or w/ ansible? |
| 09:53 |
mmorgan |
berick: ansible! |
| 09:54 |
berick |
ok, good, just making sure you're not typing all that stuff :) |
| 09:55 |
mmorgan |
:) |
| 09:56 |
berick |
Bmagic: do your docker images install EG every time from scratch or do you have some that are just ready to run? |
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mmorgan |
ian1: I mostly use docker to spin up an instance from a specific git branch. If you're working on angular changes, I know you can drop a file somehwere and it rebuilds the angular. |
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| 10:01 |
mmorgan |
My experience with the docker images is that they install from scratch every time. I may certainly be missing something, though! |
| 10:02 |
sleary |
I think Bmagic is still on vacation |
| 10:02 |
berick |
mmorgan: that's what I was thinking, thanks. |
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berick |
well deserved |
| 10:04 |
sleary |
ah ha, we do have a recording of the New Devs meeting on Docker, ian1: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=newdevs:meetings:agenda-2023-04 |
| 10:07 |
sleary |
and: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=newdevs:testserver |
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ian1 |
Thanks. Sorting through the docs and video now. |
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| 10:48 |
sleary |
ian1 once you get up and running, this might be helpful: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ck2pQe9Wn8hk4Rqq5dn_ERb6UkXjdxEDVbWHlxwEdeM/edit?usp=sharing (although you can ignore everything about Dojo; those pieces have since been replaced) |
| 10:48 |
sleary |
the Evergreen file structure is like an archeological dig site with six or seven layers |
| 10:50 |
mmorgan |
sleary: LOL! Indeed it is! |
| 10:52 |
ian1 |
Heard. Thanks again. Attempting to spin up the dev docker image as I type |
| 10:52 |
mmorgan |
ian1++ |
| 10:54 |
mmorgan |
May be my laptop, but I find that spinning up the container takes a long time. |
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mmorgan |
abneiman++ Dyrcona++ redavis++ sandbergja++ |
| 11:06 |
redavis |
mmorgan++ Dyrcona++ abneiman++ sandbergja++ |
| 11:09 |
Bmagic |
berick: I build a container image which freezes the state of an Evergreen-installed system. Then the image can be transported/copied/pushed to repo. And booted when needed, which does stuff like start services to get it up and ready for connections |
| 11:10 |
Bmagic |
I am in Belgium at the moment |
| 11:16 |
redavis |
Bmagic, hope you're having a great time and NOT having to build containers full of Evergreen right now. |
| 11:16 |
ian1 |
With regard to the docker imager, I am getting an error saying that the autoreconf -i command failed due to a conflict between AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS([m4]) and ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS=-I m4 in the configure.ac file. As far as I can tell this is the only part failing so far. Safe to assume I'm not the first to see this? |
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| 11:21 |
Bmagic |
ian1: which image are you using? The dev image? |
| 11:22 |
ian1 |
Yes. The dev image |
| 11:22 |
ian1 |
That seemed the most suited to my purposes |
| 11:23 |
Bmagic |
Double check the run command. Make sure the -v path is exact. Use git bash for windows to clone the evergreen repo (because it does it differently than git desktop), then use windows powershell prompt to run the container |
| 11:24 |
ian1 |
Okie doke. I'll try that |
| 11:24 |
Bmagic |
We've seen issues with low memory machines. 8GB system memory is not enough sometimes |
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| 11:26 |
Bmagic |
There is a trick when installing git bash for windows. Do not* allow it to install with the default "windows line endings convert to unix line endings" you want "checkout as is" |
| 11:27 |
Bmagic |
If you've already installed git bash for windows, and didn't change that setting, then you can change the setting after the fact. I bet your issue is windows line endings on the git repo on your hard drive |
| 11:27 |
ian1 |
Yeah. I only use git bash and as-is should be set up already. I double checked the path and it looked good. Re cloning for good measure and I'll let you know when I hit the end again. |
| 11:29 |
Bmagic |
You can check to see what line endings are by inspecting a random file in the repo on your disk. It should be unix line endings (LF) |
| 11:30 |
ian1 |
I ran `git config --global core.autocrlf` which returned `false` and cloned a fresh copy. |
| 11:30 |
ian1 |
That could have been the problem before, but hopefully it wont be now. |
| 11:31 |
Bmagic |
Another thing is the hostname for your launched container. Don't let docker assign a random hostname because it can randomly assign a name that starts with a digit, which breaks opensrf |
| 11:31 |
ian1 |
Oops. I did let that happen automatically, but no digit so fingers crossed |
| 11:32 |
Bmagic |
:) |
| 11:35 |
Bmagic |
On a fresh clone of the repo, you'll be on "main" which may or may not be stable at any given time. We hope it is stable of course, but you might have better luck switching the branch to a release such as tags/rel_3_12_3 |
| 11:37 |
ian1 |
=-O |
| 11:41 |
ian1 |
Success. Thank you again. idk if im doing this right but... mmorgan++ Bmagic++ |
| 11:42 |
mmorgan |
ian1++ |
| 11:42 |
mmorgan |
If it works, you're doing it right enough :) |
| 11:42 |
ian1 |
I meant the ++'s lol |
| 11:43 |
mmorgan |
lol!! |
| 11:44 |
redavis |
ian1, welcome to karma. You are "one of us." ian1++ |
| 11:45 |
Bmagic |
ian1++ |
| 11:45 |
redavis |
also, core knowledge for later - Bmagic is a spy |
| 11:46 |
Bmagic |
lol, yep, <--- once a spy, always a spy |
| 11:46 |
redavis |
Bmagic++ |
| 11:46 |
Bmagic |
except for that one time when Justin switched my card mid-game |
| 11:47 |
redavis |
the good ol' days... |
| 11:47 |
Bmagic |
It was a simple time |
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stompro |
Anybody running Crowdstrike? Wonder if I could get a discount if I reached out to their sales next week? |
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| 15:10 |
Rogan |
stompro I sense a corporate rebranding in its earliest stages |
| 15:11 |
Rogan |
"your system is so secure you can't even get in it" |
| 15:14 |
stompro |
Security is really a balance between usability and security... we thought we would go all in on the security and ignore the usability today. |
| 15:21 |
Rogan |
can't remember the actual quote but Bruce Schneier has a good one to the effect of "the least secure system is one so inconvenient that the users start finding ways to bypass its security" |
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csharp_ |
stompro++ |
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