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| 09:32 |
Dyrcona |
Ugh! I hate when I miss code that is there that almost does what is required. |
| 09:32 |
Dyrcona |
Or even does it, just not how I expected it. |
| 09:33 |
mantis |
What's the best way to explain what 'Hold Delay' means as an item status? I didn't see it in the documentation so I'll add it in. |
| 09:38 |
mantis |
from a front end perspective , I think it's to give staff a chance to pull the item from the shelf before the system does its thing and labels the item as on the hold shelf for someone, creates the proper notifications, and sends those out. |
| 09:39 |
mantis |
just unsure of a cleaned up version of this would be proper for the docs |
| 09:42 |
Dyrcona |
mantis: Where do you see this status? I've never heard of it. |
| 09:46 |
* mmorgan |
remembers looking at hold shelf delay at one point. There's a library setting, circ.hold_shelf_status_delay that takes an interval as a value. |
| 09:48 |
mmorgan |
If I recall correctly, patrons will see that status when viewing their holds in the opac if the item has been on the hold shelf for a shorter time than the set interval. |
| 09:50 |
mmorgan |
It's not an actual item status, it just displays in the opac. And possibly the staff client as well, but I'm not sure about that. |
| 09:53 |
mmorgan |
It's actually a hold status like 'Waiting for Capture', 'Waiting for Item', 'Suspended', etc. |
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Dyrcona |
Why do we always have to complicate things? |
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| 10:29 |
berick |
Avril Lavigne? |
| 10:32 |
Dyrcona |
Not specifically. I was looking at marc_export at the time, but decided to leave the complication alone because "it works." |
| 10:33 |
Dyrcona |
From now on, when asked about Evergreen behavior and code, I'm just going to say, "Its' emergent." |
| 10:41 |
Dyrcona |
There must be a way to limit a query to 1 row per field value, like with some kind of window function... |
| 10:42 |
mmorgan |
Often, the more you try to simplify things, the more complicated they get :-/ |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
Simplicity is actual hard. One of the things I tell me daughter a lot is "I a said it was simple. I never said it was easy." |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
Ugh.... I should just take some Excedrin and a sick day... |
| 10:46 |
Dyrcona |
yeah... I just cleared my scroll back by hitting Ctrl-l in the wrong window..... |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
oh, duh. Solved my query problem: "select distinct on (copy.barcode) ..... order by copy.barcode, audit_time desc;" I only wanted the most recent audit entry matching my criteria for each copy.barcode. |
| 10:52 |
* Dyrcona |
looks for the Excedrin. |
| 10:57 |
mmorgan |
@Excedrine Dyrcona |
| 10:57 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: As great as you are man, you'll never be greater than yourself. |
| 10:58 |
* mmorgan |
tried ;-) |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 10:59 |
Dyrcona |
I added that dunno. It's a quote from a Bob Dylan song. |
| 11:00 |
Dyrcona |
Also, have you ever gotten so far down into an email/ticket conversation that you forget what the original problem was? |
| 11:00 |
* Dyrcona |
did find some Excedrin in the medicine cabinet. |
| 11:03 |
* Dyrcona |
thinks someone is going to ask for part information to be added to marc_export.... |
| 11:03 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: only when the narrative in the email/ticket is attempting to simplify the issue. |
| 11:04 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 11:04 |
Dyrcona |
I just love how GMail complicates email. I ended with threads that are 30 messages long some to the whole group some to different individuals..... |
| 11:07 |
mmorgan |
Yep, it seems to thread simply on Subject. |
| 11:10 |
Dyrcona |
Going back to the complexity in marc_export, I think some of it may be done that way because it's faster than the more direct approach. Joins in the database can sometimes get expensive, even when indexes are used. |
| 11:12 |
Dyrcona |
At least I got this bug out of it: Lp 2056343 |
| 11:12 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2056343 in Evergreen "marc-export: hidden items can be exported as visible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2056343 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
| 11:16 |
* Dyrcona |
should just call it a day. I keep mistaking makes..... |
| 11:16 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 11:21 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, right. I have to move the copy location over from production and update the copies to test this properly. At least my change didn't break anything when the items are opac_visible. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
Hey, that works! |
| 11:33 |
mmorgan |
Excedrine++ |
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| 12:31 |
jeff |
questions I didn't think to ask of the teachers bringing their first grade classrooms to visit and get library cards: "How many of the students in your first grade classroom are listed in PowerSchool [the student information system] as second graders?" |
| 12:32 |
sleary |
oop |
| 12:34 |
sleary |
I once made the mistake of asking my MLIS program advisor how many students we had. He started ticking off his fingers. "Well. How many are enrolled but suspended or on leave? Do we count staff who are enrolled in one class? People who ghosted us but never formally withdrew? I can get numbers from Canvas, but we have faculty who are listed as a student in another professor's course so they can shadow or evaluate, TAs borrowed from other departments..." |
| 12:37 |
jeff |
Yup! It's corner cases all the way down! |
| 12:38 |
mmorgan |
Soooo many corners! |
| 12:39 |
jeff |
We have reached the point where most of the first grade students that come to visit the library already have a library card that was mailed to them when they were a kindergartener. |
| 12:40 |
jeff |
So most of them, instead of getting a library card in their envelope, get a temporary barcode that works for checkout that day, and says something to the effect of "It looks like you already have a library card. Great! If you can't find it, bring this to the library with a parent or guardian for a free replacement!" |
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jeff |
either way (new physical card or temporary barcode), everything stays in the envelope and they scan it through the window at a self checkout station, and leave with books. :-) |
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mmorgan |
jeff++ |
| 12:44 |
jeff |
on more than one occasion (and we haven't attempted to keep track yet), the student comes back to visit the library with their family later that same day to check out additional things. |
| 13:21 |
mantis |
mmorgan++ |
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Dyrcona |
Hmmm. It looks like redis is installed by Evergreen now, but not OpenSRF? |
| 14:00 |
Dyrcona |
cd |
| 14:21 |
Dyrcona |
Commit message longer than the actual commit.... |
| 15:03 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose I could have done that differently, but that's always true, isn't it? |
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