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09:10 redavis Stompro++
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09:37 Bmagic I'm having issues with edi fetcher getting stuck. The last log entry is Loading events xml file /openils/var/data/ils_events.xml. There are a few FTP login issues throughout the process but that doesn't seem to stop it from moving on. But it's still running right now, with nothing in the log. It's just hung
09:38 Dyrcona Stompro: Yeah, I've noticed that some additional fields are "missing" from SuperCat item exports. I was planning to add copy notes and tags as part of Lp 2045440. I wonder if I shouldn't just open another bug to get parity between SuperCat and marc_export? There are features of marc_export that might be difficult to implement in SuperCat.
09:38 pinesol Launchpad bug 2045440 in Evergreen "Add Public Copy Notes to MARC export when items requested" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045440 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson)
09:42 Stompro Dyrcona, the Prefix and Suffix data are there I believe, the aspen fetcher just isn't grabbing them.  I kind of want to make use of the Aspen import features to send things like audience and literary form from our stat cats.. but since the fetcher wouldn't be able to do the same thing it seems messy.
09:42 Stompro I want to avoid cleaning up our bibs... but I think I have to.
09:43 Dyrcona We found numerous "bad" bibs as a part of this project.
09:44 Dyrcona Also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/2045440/comments/7
09:44 pinesol Launchpad bug 2045440 in Evergreen "Add Public Copy Notes to MARC export when items requested" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson)
09:45 Dyrcona Stompro: Audience and literary form should be properly encoded in the MARC. I think it would be bad to have different Evergreen sites with customized exports for Aspen, etc. We really should be doing "standard" things as much as possible.
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10:50 Dyrcona And, I forgot that SuperCat doesn't export items via 852. It uses its own XML format.
10:50 Dyrcona And, it already exports copy notes, but not tags.
10:51 * Dyrcona checks 3.7 for that code.
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10:56 Dyrcona Stompro++
10:56 Dyrcona You are right. The prefix and suffix are there in the SuperCat output. So are copy notes, but not copy tags.
10:57 Dyrcona Guess Apen needs to be taught about that data.
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13:01 Bmagic I want to reingest all bibs and truncate the tables ahead of time. I just wanted to verify the list of tables that I can truncate:
13:01 Bmagic metabib.keyword_field_entry; metabib.identifier_field_entry; metabib.display_entry; metabib.facet_entry; metabib.browse_entry_def_map; metabib.real_full_rec; metabib.series_field_entry; metabib.subject_field_entry; metabib.title_field_entry; metabib.author_field_entry
13:01 Bmagic maybe I should hit the "combined" tables as well?
13:06 jeffdavis Yes, I think you'd want to truncate the combined tables too in that case.
13:07 jeffdavis You might want to truncate metabib.browse_entry as well?
13:08 jeffdavis (I have no informed opinion on truncate-before-reingest as an overall strategy but if you're doing it it would make sense to include those tables I think.)
13:13 Bmagic jeffdavis: sweet, thanks
13:13 Bmagic I just want to feel better that there's no cruft
13:20 berick Bmagic: consider me curious about how it goes
13:21 Bmagic berick: you think it's not going to rebuild those tables?
13:23 berick Bmagic: no, I'm just curious how it all works out.
13:23 Dyrcona Truncating the tables won't have prevent the tables from being rebuilt. It might help slightly with speed as it will probably cut down on autovacuum tasks.
13:23 Bmagic there is something that's making search slower than normal. To the point where the database server is having dogpiling queries. It's a bit of a coincidence that it's happening now that queued ingest is on (and we overwrote a ton of bibs), so the ingester is working hard. the bricks aren't get responses fast enough, and the whole thing is coming down
13:24 Bmagic so, I turned off the ingester, and I'm thinking I'd like to "start over" - truncate all of it and rebuild
13:25 Bmagic those tables could probably use some special tuning, so if you have any magic that you use, I'm open
13:26 Bmagic 2,021,909 non-deleted bibs atm
13:27 Dyrcona Me? I'm fresh out of mana.... Have to cool down on the next turn. :)
13:28 Bmagic search is slow as you might imagine, and I'm thinking that theoretically a fresh install of those metabib tables would help
13:30 Dyrcona It won't hurt.
13:30 Bmagic :)
13:32 Dyrcona If the tables are badly fragmented, then a truncate and rebuild can only help.
13:35 jeffdavis Bmagic: does vacuum help at all (if only temporarily)? What autovacuum settings are you using? (sorry if I've missed previous discussion about this)
13:36 Bmagic nightly vacuum analyze;
13:38 Bmagic but, now that you mention it, I could vacuum analyze those tables and see
13:40 Bmagic this database server has 1TB memory, no swap. PG10, 1000 max_connections
13:41 Bmagic maintenance_work_mem = 1GB  constraint_exclusion = on  checkpoint_completion_target = 0.9  effective_cache_size = 700GB  work_mem = 512MB  wal_buffers = 8MB  shared_buffers = 32GB
13:42 Dyrcona Bmagic: Did-you-mean is turned on?
13:42 Bmagic it was*, that was the first thing to go
13:43 Bmagic I disabled the triggers, for example: ALTER TABLE metabib.title_field_entry DISABLE TRIGGER maintain_symspell_entries_tgr;
13:43 Bmagic and then truncated: TRUNCATE search.symspell_dictionary;
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13:59 Dyrcona Yeah, we disabled the symspell triggers, too.
13:59 * Dyrcona opines about trying to summarize the release discussion from last Tuesday. It's proving more challenging than it sounds like it should be.
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16:01 kmlussier Dyrcona++
16:03 Dyrcona Thank you. I hope my summary is accurate.
16:04 Dyrcona I cut and rewrote whole paragraphs down to one or two sentences trying to condense it as much as possible.
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