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<td class="time" id="i_532193"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532193">00:50</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532194"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532194">04:39</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532195"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532195">06:50</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532196"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532196">07:04</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532197"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532197">07:30</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532198"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532198">07:33</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532199"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532199">08:33</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532200"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532200">08:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">News from commits: LP2023560: Bookworm Followup - Switch CPAN to Package <<a href="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=04bb7b1486a5d8a4e964ceb4a6980fc9c4ef290a" title="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=04bb7b1486a5d8a4e964ceb4a6980fc9c4ef290a">https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=04bb7b1486a5d8a4e964ceb4a6980fc9c4ef290a</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532201"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532201">08:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">News from commits: LP<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2023560">#2023560</a> - Debian Bookworm (12) Install Support <<a href="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac04cef3dafe2ea8362d64cb3e156827eba6644f" title="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac04cef3dafe2ea8362d64cb3e156827eba6644f">https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac04cef3dafe2ea8362d64cb3e156827eba6644f</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532202"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532202">08:51</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532203"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532203">09:07</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532204"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532204">09:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona++ I guess I missed that because Eg picked up the missing bits</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532205"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532205">09:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I figured you might have made the same typo during the installation.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532206"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532206">09:59</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532207"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532207">10:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532208"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532208">10:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">... also quite possible. :D</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532209"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532209">10:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I also noticed that Bash command line completion works with Makefile targets.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532210"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532210">10:31</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532211"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532211">10:33</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532212"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532212">10:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Can one copy actor.passwd entries from one database to another? Guess I'm about to find out.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532213"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532213">11:03</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532214"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532214">11:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Is osrf-gateway-v1 the one that's deprecated?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532215"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532215">11:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona, I think just /gateway</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532216"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532216">11:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">but it's been a bit since I've looked at it.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532217"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532217">11:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">All right, then. I wasn't sure, either.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532218"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532218">11:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #3b0069" class="nick">berick</td>
<td class="msg ">just /gateway</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532219"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532219">11:15</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532220"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532220">11:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">berick++ Thanks for confirming.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532221"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532221">11:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Does anyone have any tricks for turning the output of a select statement into an update?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532222"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532222">11:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">various tricks. can you be more specific?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532223"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532223">11:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I have two actor.usr entries that got "anonymized" in some test data and I want to restore their production values. I think I have to restore their actor.passd entries as well, but I'll double check that. I've done this before, but usually by hand and it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532224"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532224">11:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">'s not much fun.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532225"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532225">11:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">OK. Looks like we didn't mess with the passwords. That code is commented out in the script that ran.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532226"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532226">11:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Y'know. I did this editor macros once. I should have saved them.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532227"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532227">11:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I have CSV like output from the database, so I think I'll use editor macros to turn it into 'column_name = value' pairs, one per line.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532228"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532228">11:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">oh, I see. the stored output of a select statement. I didn't pick up on that part in your initial phrasing. Sorry, I don't have anything specific for that offhand.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532229"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532229">11:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #3b0069" class="nick">berick</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/freebsd_boots_in_25ms/" title="https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/freebsd_boots_in_25ms/">https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/29/freebsd_boots_in_25ms/</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532230"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532230">11:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Did cperciva (Colin Percival) implement the fix?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532231"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532231">11:49</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532232"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532232">11:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">FreeBSD is fast, y'know. Faster than Linux at some things. Now, I guess it boots faster on Firecracker. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532233"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532233">11:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Recording macros is not a simple as just running the commands. You have to think about it a bit more than usual.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532234"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532234">11:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">usually runs a FreeBSD vm on his personal laptop.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532235"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532235">11:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">hasn't set it up, yet, since switching to Arch.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532236"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532236">12:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">All right. It works up to the kw_tsvector field because the latter contains commas.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532237"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532237">12:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #330022" class="nick">bgillap__</td>
<td class="msg ">Hello, my cataloguers have been describing an issue where if they change the TMat field on a marc record. The icon in the Summary section above may stop showing. So if they remove like TMat=g save and then add the TMat=g back to the record. The previous icon doesn't come back. I believe this bug has been identified but I'm having a hard time understanding if this is the same issue.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532238"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532238">12:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #330022" class="nick">bgillap__</td>
<td class="msg "><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1477252" title="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1477252">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1477252</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532239"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532239">12:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 1477252 in Evergreen "Incorrect fixed fields pulled from 006 fields" [Undecided,New]</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532240"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532240">12:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #330022" class="nick">bgillap__</td>
<td class="msg ">Just looking for a sanity check I guess.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532241"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532241">12:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">with the system currently, is there a way to merge circ stats to other items once the original item is deleted? For example lost items getting a replacement.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532242"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532242">12:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">not at the copy level, no.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532243"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532243">12:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">you'd have to do something creative like re-use the item and use replace barcode, which might involve a number of contortions to deal with any associated billings, the item being checked out / lost, etc.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532244"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532244">12:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">at the title level, you'd still include circs on a deleted copy in your stats for that title, or shelving location, or branch, or what have you...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532245"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532245">12:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">but in terms of "how many times has THIS ITEM circulated in the last year?" and such, it's a new item... so it makes sense to me that its starting at zero.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532246"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532246">12:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">(let me know if I haven't understood your question)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532247"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532247">12:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">I remember similar discussion semi-recently, but I don't know if it was in a ticket/irc/list email, or something outside of the community.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532248"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532248">12:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: ok I thought they would be a workaround but the billing is another whole thing with this</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532249"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532249">12:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">thanks for answering my question</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532250"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532250">12:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532251"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532251">12:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">mantis1: jeff: We have used the extend_reporter.legacy_circ_count to associate previous circs with new items.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532252"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532252">12:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: sorry I should have been more clear, this is a request someone placed that they can do in the client</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532253"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532253">12:46</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532254"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532254">12:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">ok, gotcha.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532255"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532255">13:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b79" class="nick">jihpringle</td>
<td class="msg ">bgillap_ I think you're actually running into <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2015163" title="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2015163">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2015163</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532256"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532256">13:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 2015163 in Evergreen "Fixed Fields Grid in Enhanced MARC Editor Not Updated on Save" [Undecided,Confirmed]</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532257"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532257">13:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b79" class="nick">jihpringle</td>
<td class="msg ">bgillap__ ^^</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532258"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532258">13:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">great... Internal Server Errror.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532259"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532259">13:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I wonder if a lack of OPAC_LOGON permission caused that?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532260"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532260">13:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Login rather...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532261"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532261">13:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">BTW, I think using abbreiviations like 'grp' and 'usr' has been a bad idea.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532262"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532262">13:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, the user should have OPAC_LOGIN by virtue of their profile being descended from profile group 1.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532263"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532263">13:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">wishes the logs had more information.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532264"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532264">13:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">Does anyone know where the action trigger exists for the password reset email?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532265"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532265">13:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">We're trying to see if we can adjust the sender email so it doens't bounce back to our helpdesk ticketing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532266"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532266">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #3b0069" class="nick">berick</td>
<td class="msg ">select id, name, active from action_trigger.event_definition where hook ~ 'pass';</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532267"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532267">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">berick++ thank you!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532268"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532268">13:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b79" class="nick">jihpringle</td>
<td class="msg ">mantis1: we have ours set so it should send bounces to the email set in the library setting "Sending email address for patron notices" for the sending library</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532269"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532269">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">yeah our configuration will have us change that email for every library so we do it by Edit Parameters > New Parameter > sender_email = blah blah</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532270"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532270">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">unless it doesn't affect branch level libraries if that lib setting is set to cons?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532271"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532271">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b79" class="nick">jihpringle</td>
<td class="msg ">I think the email has been entered for all the branches</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532272"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532272">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">You can set the bounce email in the templates without having separate events for every library.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532273"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532273">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b79" class="nick">jihpringle</td>
<td class="msg ">but it could also be that the email has to not be set for any branches (I can never remember)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532274"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532274">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: the password one is set for CONS so I think we're good on that</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532275"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532275">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">It's just the lib setting I'm unsure will cause issue with all the other branches</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532276"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532276">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">if we set an email at CONS level that is</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532277"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532277">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">The settings look up in the helpers should be aware of the tree, so if it's not set at the branch, it'll grab the system level setting.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532278"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532278">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">ok thanks for the confirmation</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532279"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532279">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532280"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532280">13:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, you can also do '|| noreply<img src="/s/at.png" alt="@" />biblio.org' in the template.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532281"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532281">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">ah ok</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532282"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532282">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #00816d" class="nick">mantis1</td>
<td class="msg ">How do you handle the messages?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532283"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532283">13:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">[%- params.sender_email || helpers.get_org_setting(user.home_ou.id, 'org.bounced_emails') || default_sender %] <- That's ours.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532284"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532284">13:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">default_sender is apparently not set, so that's likely broken, but I'm pretty sure we have all the bounced emails set.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532285"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532285">13:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">What I meant by adding a || someemail<img src="/s/at.png" alt="@" />host.tld is it's good to have a fallback, even if that fallback doesn't receive email. 'noreply@' is a conventional way of doing that. So, in that case you don't handle the bounce messages.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532286"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532286">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer: I want to take you to task on the list for saying the "correct way to" in an email.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532287"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532287">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">It violates Freedom Zero.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532288"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532288">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">An irritated shorthand, possibly informed by past time figuring out what went wrong when libraries re-use barcodes when replacement copies.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532289"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532289">14:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Re-using barcodes is bad, I'll agree. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532290"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532290">14:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">After looking that up (I know, poor OSS form), I would think an F0 violation would be making it impossible to do that or modify the software to do it locally if you want. I'm using correct way more as documentation. You can do it the "wrong way" but I don't think we need to modify the software to put both methods on equal footing.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532291"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532291">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, I think it's too late to make barcode unique on asset.copy without the deleted = false filter. It would break just about every installation probably.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532292"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532292">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Also, I hope mantis1 understands I'm not complaining at her, you've been asked to help with something and you're trying to help out. I'm just cranky in the general direction of staff-client stats.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532293"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532293">14:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">:)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532294"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532294">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I had the opposite experience with LibreOffice recently. Someone over there commented that it was dumb to want to filter spreadsheets via background color when every other spreadsheet, including Google sheets, can do it. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532295"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532295">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Anyway, I get where you're coming from, but users will use the software in the way that suits them regardless of what we (developers) do.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532296"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532296">14:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">considers implementing filtering spreadsheets in LibreOffice by background and other properties just to spite that guy. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532297"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532297">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Certainly, and if I felt that strongly about how people used it I'd be involved in making training materials or videos or etc. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532298"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532298">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm not even sure it's a collection development thing in this case. I think they just want to see the stats in item status.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532299"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532299">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Also, sorting by background color sounds odd to me because I didn't know *any* of them did it. :D</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532300"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532300">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, people use color for meaning because people are visual. It's not my choice, but I was given a spreadsheet where I was supposed to skip the red rows. I ended up just deleting the rows because there were only about 50 of them.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532301"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532301">14:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I did use styles in a spreadsheet to indicate what was supposed to be done with the data. I wrote a Java program to read the spreadsheet and do what was appropriate depending on the background style name of the first column.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532302"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532302">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I suppose I could have used a checkbox field, but the Java API for OO.o/LO has access to styles.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532303"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532303">15:22</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532304"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532304">15:36</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532305"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532305">15:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Heh. I saw "'('Electronic...." in one of our templates, and my brain read it as L'Electronique....</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532306"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532306">15:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Grr.... typo "l('Electronic"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532307"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532307">17:22</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532308"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532308">18:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">News from commits: Docs: minor correction to conjoined items <<a href="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f70b186baeb76190cca006d8abc84af7a9a04b7e" title="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f70b186baeb76190cca006d8abc84af7a9a04b7e">https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f70b186baeb76190cca006d8abc84af7a9a04b7e</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532309"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532309">19:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #4e00a3" class="nick">pinesol</td>
<td class="msg ">News from commits: Docs: Did You Mean docs changes to include multi word suggestions <<a href="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=79c3a9d3208d5d1c965ccc00b956f9ed2a92e242" title="https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=79c3a9d3208d5d1c965ccc00b956f9ed2a92e242">https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=79c3a9d3208d5d1c965ccc00b956f9ed2a92e242</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_532310"><a href="/evergreen/2023-08-30#i_532310">21:02</a></td>
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Freedom Conservancy</a>.
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