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06:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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09:25 Dyrcona &amp;#8212; I think that should be &#8212; or em dash.
09:26 Dyrcona So, something's going on, but not sure where the bug actually is just yet.
09:29 Dyrcona Bleh.. Comment spam on blogger. Almost makes me want to delete it.
09:31 Dyrcona "It" being my old Evergreen blog, though I've been thinking of picking it up again.
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12:48 Dyrcona Stupid git trick of the day: Want to make the same change in a different file that you just made in another? Before adding or committing the change do: git diff | patch <other file>
12:55 jeff now i want to see what happens when i do that, then git diff | patch third-file
12:57 Dyrcona Hunk #1 succeeded at 67 (offset -20 lines).
12:57 jeff (where at least the first two files are included in the output of the git diff command)
12:58 Dyrcona jeff: That might break. :)
12:58 Dyrcona Also, I had to rm <other file>.orig 'cause I forgot to say no backups to patch.
12:59 Dyrcona Admittedly, it's of limited utility, but I have a use case where file b started as a copy of file a. I made an edit to file b that I wanted to put in file a, and I was feeling lazy and figured that git diff trick would work, so I tried it.
13:01 * jeff nods
13:02 Dyrcona Also, I'm tempted to put in another patch that I tested. I hesitate because it accesses a Perl object's internals, and it could break in a future release of the Perl package, though I doubt it.
13:06 Dyrcona @praise Encapsulation
13:06 * pinesol Encapsulation LOVES the RESISTANCE!
13:31 dluch Reminder: DIG Meeting starts in 30 minutes!
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14:00 dluch #startmeeting 2022-03-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Mar  3 14:00:33 2022 US/Eastern.  The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2022_03_03___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:00 dluch #topic Agenda
14:00 dluch #info The agenda can be found here:  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20220303-agenda
14:00 dluch #info The agenda and minutes from the February meeting can be found here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20220203-agenda
14:00 dluch Welcome everyone!  Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time.
14:01 dluch #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:01 dluch #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:01 dluch #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants
14:01 alynn_26 #info alynn_26 is Lynn Floyd
14:01 dluch #topic Introductions
14:01 dluch Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent.
14:01 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:02 jihpringle #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative
14:02 mantis #info mantis is Gina Monti, Bibliomation
14:02 abneiman #info abneiman is Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox
14:03 mantis alynn_26: nice to see ya!
14:03 dluch Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive.
14:03 dluch #topic Old and Ongoing Business
14:03 dluch #info Check-in - How's everyone doing?
14:03 mantis Doing alright.  I think most of the OPAC docs are done.  One of my branches got merged.
14:03 alynn_26 I'm looking for work, anyone got any?:)
14:04 dluch mantis: Woot!
14:04 alynn_26 mantis++
14:04 abneiman I saw my first daffodil today <3
14:04 dluch mantis++
14:04 dluch abneiman: So cool!!
14:04 Dyrcona abneiman++ # We got snow this morning.
14:05 abneiman Dyrcona: that's a bummer - we still may see snow, but it's getting less and less likely
14:05 dluch It was 81 (27) yesterday but I haven't seen any flowers. And it's going to snow next week.
14:06 jihpringle we got snow on Monday but the sun is now out and the snow is melting fast
14:06 jihpringle I'm ready for spring :)
14:06 dluch :-)
14:06 alynn_26 It going to be a pretty weekend here, but then back to the 40'S for us in Indiana
14:07 dluch #info Previous Action Items
14:07 dluch How are these coming?
14:07 dluch I'll take them in order...
14:08 dluch How are these coming?
14:08 dluch I'll take them in order...
14:08 dluch 1. dluch and jweston will look at the wiki's Documentation Needs List (linked at the beginning) to ensure that undocumented features listed are still relevant in the 3.8 context.
14:08 dluch I'm sorry, y'all, I still haven't done anything with this. jweston?
14:08 dluch Does this kind of fall into the reorg project?
14:09 jihpringle I think the reorg project replaces this
14:09 abneiman yeah, agreed
14:09 dluch That was kinda what I was thinking, too. I'm going to remove this action
14:09 jihpringle maybe what needs to be done is making sure any undocumented things are on the reorg spreadsheet
14:09 dluch And also, probably, this one?
14:09 jihpringle and retiring the wiki page
14:09 dluch 2. dluch and jweston (and whoever else wants to) will see what documentation is missing from the Documentation Needs List for newest releases.
14:10 dluch jihpringle++
14:10 alynn_26 I would think that this is part of the reorg project also.
14:10 jihpringle agreed
14:10 dluch Cool. Getting rid of them!
14:10 dluch 3. alynn26 and Bmagic will investigate some possible options for adding pdf generating to our documentation site
14:10 dluch Any news on this one?
14:11 alynn_26 No. I have time now, I will investigate this further.
14:11 dluch Great, thank you!
14:11 alynn26 Also the next one.
14:12 dluch #action alynn26 and Bmagic will investigate some possible options for adding pdf generating to our documentation site
14:12 dluch #action alynn26 will look into Evergreen's Antora CSS to see why anything that is a heading 4 ==== or lower is not rendering properly formatted in Antora. Example: "Sort By Geographic Proximity" at https://docs.evergreen-ils.org/eg/d​ocs/latest/opac/using_the_public_ac​cess_catalog.html#_viewing_a_record
14:12 dluch alynn26++
14:12 dluch 5. dluch will get the October recording processed and posted--unless she already did.
14:12 abneiman alynn26++
14:12 dluch She did not. But will get to it this afternoon. Same for February.
14:13 dluch #action dluch will get the October and February meeting recordings processed and posted
14:13 dluch 6. jweston will talk to jihpringle and mantis about the documentation and images review spreadsheets, create a Google doc for drafting a contribution guide, and send the link to the docs mailing list for everyone to help.
14:14 dluch This was done, yes?
14:14 jihpringle yes, I think so
14:14 mantis yeah I don't think we need the image review spreadsheet anymore
14:14 mantis since it's more or less consolidated with the master spreadsheet we have
14:14 jihpringle we added it to the existing spreadsheet
14:14 dluch Sweet
14:14 abneiman one spreadsheet to rule them all
14:15 dluch jihpringle++ mantis++ jweston++
14:15 dluch theonespreadsheet++
14:15 dluch dbs will see if it's possible to trigger a rebuild using something like a particular branch name, like docs-build or something hacky
14:15 dluch 7.
14:15 dluch dbs had this done right after the January meeting and the answer is yes. "My #action is done, the answer is "yes" (no hacks needed, other than to wait for the mirror to happen): https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/c​i/ci_cd_for_external_repos/"
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14:16 dluch dbs++
14:16 dluch Next...
14:16 alynn26 dbs++
14:16 dluch #info February Zoom Meeting--Recap, Decisions, and Follow-up
14:17 dluch Take a look at the link at the beginning for the February agenda and notes. We did have a few action items from that meeting. (and feel free to correct my notes if I missed anything!)
14:17 dluch We talked about picking some completed documentation at the meeting today to send to General for review. jihpringle volunteered to blurb it and send it out. We can maybe table that until New Business, if everyone's okay with that?
14:17 dluch jihpringle also was going to talk to rhamby about setting up a DIG playlist on our YouTube channel.
14:17 jihpringle I completely forgot about the blurb
14:18 mantis +1 new business
14:18 dluch jihpringle: did you have time to get to that yet?
14:18 dluch jihpringle: no worries! Are you still okay doing that?
14:18 rhamby she did touch base with me about who/how it can be done and I replied but if she replied since I missed it
14:19 jihpringle yes, I'm still good to do the blurb
14:19 rhamby bascially I just need to know what videos in what order you want and what the play list is to be called
14:19 dluch jihpringle++
14:19 jihpringle rhamby you did not miss a follow up, it's on my list :)
14:19 jihpringle dluch: once the October video is available we should have everything for the playlist for now
14:20 dluch #action jihpringle will blurb some completed documentation and send it out to General for review
14:20 dluch Thanks, rhamby!
14:20 dluch jihpringle++
14:21 dluch We also decided that DIG needed more docs committers, since abneiman is the only one left. More on that in New Business, too.
14:21 dluch Anyone else who was there want to add anything?
14:22 abneiman ♫ one is the lonliest number ♫
14:22 dluch lol
14:22 dluch #info Docs organization: Progress
14:22 dluch How are things going?
14:23 mantis uh
14:23 mantis there was one comment about how the admin pages were organized in a somewhat weird way during the new dev meeting
14:24 mantis After rummaging through, I start to understand why it's like this but I would be open to other opinions on it
14:24 abneiman mantis: the admin pages themselves, or the docs about said?
14:24 alynn26 I actually have a commit redoing them. out there
14:24 alynn26 I think it is in github.
14:24 dluch oh, great!
14:25 dluch alynn26++
14:25 mantis alynn26++ thank you!
14:25 dluch abneiman: the docs, I'm pretty sure
14:25 mantis Docs yes
14:26 dluch mantis++
14:26 abneiman I mean, in context that makes sense, but also I just hate that the admin pages are alphabetized instead of classified
14:26 abneiman mantis++ alynn26++
14:26 mantis I agree with that
14:26 * abneiman secretly hoped that alynn26's patch was to reorder the admin pages in the interface :)
14:27 mantis in any case i'm glad the work on the docs are addressing this
14:27 mantis that's a big help!
14:27 dluch abneiman++ :-D
14:27 dluch #info April Show & Tell
14:27 dluch April's Meeting, on Zoom, will be a presentation from abneiman and mantis on GitLab stuff (or GitHub? I couldn't remember, lol)
14:27 dluch abneiman and/or mantis: either of you want to say more?
14:28 abneiman uh, I hope it's github
14:28 abneiman because as little as I know about github I know less about gitlab :)
14:28 dluch abneiman++
14:28 csharp_ abneiman: they are more similar than different, UI-wise
14:29 dluch April's Meeting, on Zoom, will be a presentation from abneiman and mantis on GitHub stuff
14:29 dluch :-)
14:29 Dyrcona We should pick one and migrate.
14:29 abneiman csharp_++ # let's keep my presentation to one semi-familiar interface at a time tho
14:29 csharp_ abneiman++
14:29 abneiman Dyrcona: you're not wrong. That's been a conversation for a while.
14:29 mantis github++
14:29 dluch Yep
14:30 mantis I still need the credentials though so I can stumble my way through it
14:30 dluch Well, I am excited about your presentation!
14:30 mantis I mean smoothly venture over the high seas
14:30 dluch mantis++
14:30 dluch Yes, will get to that asap
14:30 abneiman mantis and I will stumble gracefully through the high seas
14:30 abneiman or something
14:31 dluch Excellent!
14:31 dluch That's all I have for old or ongoing business to discuss. Anything I missed that someone would like to talk about?
14:32 dluch #topic New Business
14:32 dluch #info New documentation committers!!
14:32 dluch Congratulations to mantis, Bmagic, and alynn26, who we chosen by consensus and agreed to become our newest docs committers!!
14:32 dluch /me waves Kermit arms
14:32 mantis lol
14:33 jihpringle mantis++ Bmagic++ alynn26++
14:33 dluch lol, I did that wrong
14:33 alynn26 Thanks.
14:33 alynn26 Now to figure out how to do that.
14:33 dluch I still need to get in touch with the core committers group to get them set up with permissions for this role. I'm sorry I haven't done that yet. (Any core committers here? :-) )
14:33 abneiman mantis++ Bmagic++ alynn26++
14:34 dluch mantis++ Bmagic++ alynn26++
14:34 mantis Bmagic++ alyn266++
14:34 alynn26 mantiss++ Bmagic++
14:34 dluch #action dluch will get in touch with the core committers group to get mantis, Bmagic, and alynn26 set up as documentation committers
14:35 dluch #info Committing docs pushes--during meeting?
14:35 csharp_ dluch: email gitadmin@evergreen-ils.org
14:35 dluch I admit that I wrote down very little that made sense in my notes about this...
14:35 dluch csharp_++
14:36 mantis lol
14:36 mantis I was going to ask for some clarification
14:36 dluch One other thing we talked about in February was whether or not it would be helpful for abneiman to take time during the DIG meetings to do committs? Would that be helpful since you're already here, or would that be too much going on at once? abneiman, we talked about this before you came in February. New docs committers, if you have thoughts about the idea, feel free to comment, too.
14:36 csharp_ if those three aren't already keyed they will need to provide SSH public keys to gitadmin
14:36 csharp_ but I think they are already
14:36 abneiman in general, calendaring things is a way to ensure they get done, yes
14:36 mantis abneiman: I don't know how committing works with your procedure.  Is there enough time during a meeting to make it happen?
14:37 abneiman yes, if I'm prepared, LOL (I am not prepared today)
14:37 abneiman the process I followed is from Jane & I think it's documented though
14:37 mantis should we reply to announcement emails with branches ready to go prior to the meeting?
14:37 dluch csharp, thanks!
14:38 abneiman well, I thought we were going to try to pivot to github commits (I do git command line right now) so we can take advantage of the new build-testing plugin
14:38 abneiman that's what I'm supposed to teach myself this month before I talk to y'all about it in April :)
14:38 dluch Correct (I think)
14:38 dluch :-)
14:39 mantis I see
14:39 alynn26 abneiman++
14:40 dluch abneiman++
14:40 abneiman anyway I"m rusty, I haven't actually pushed anything since 3.8 and / or the last set of point release notes
14:40 * Dyrcona can add the docs committers right now.
14:40 mantis Dyrcona++
14:40 abneiman Dyrcona++
14:41 Dyrcona alynn26: Do you use lfloyd in the Evergreen working repository?
14:41 alynn26 yes, I do.
14:41 Dyrcona Do you still have access to that ssh key or do you need to send a new one?
14:41 alynn26 I still have access.
14:41 dluch Dyrcona++
14:42 alynn26 Dyrcona++
14:42 Dyrcona So, I'm adding Bmagic (blake), mantis (gmonti), and alynn26 (lfloyd). Anyone else?
14:42 dluch Dyrcona: That's it!
14:43 dluch Thank you!!
14:43 mantis my github account is gmontimantis if that hellps
14:44 Dyrcona mantis: No. I have to use the "name" associated with your key on git.evergreen-ils.org.
14:44 mantis cool thank you!
14:45 Dyrcona I'm double-checking for typos before I make it official.
14:46 Dyrcona OK. It's official.
14:46 Bmagic Dyrcona++
14:46 dluch Dyrcona++
14:46 dluch Woohoo!!
14:46 mantis Dyrcona++
14:46 jihpringle Dyrcona++
14:47 dluch #info Show and Tell Topic for June or just Conference?
14:47 dluch Do we want to have a Zoom meeting in early June? If so, what do want to cover? Any volunteers?
14:47 dluch :-)
14:47 mantis I say just conference
14:48 dluch We will have a DIG meeting during the Hackfest
14:48 abneiman +1 to just conference
14:48 dluch Excellent. I was hoping you'd say that! lol
14:49 dluch Speaking of...
14:49 dluch #info Conference
14:49 jihpringle also +1 to just conference, but we may want to talk in May about any DIG recruiting we want to do in conjunction with the conference
14:49 dluch jihpringle: good idea!
14:49 mantis jihpringle++
14:49 dluch jihpringle++
14:49 dluch The Evergreen International Online Conference will be June 13-16. Call for proposals has gone out. Anyone submitting a docs-related thing? Or have an idea for one?
14:49 abneiman good call jihpringle
14:50 dluch I can do the lightning talk again this year
14:50 mantis One of my goals for the conference or Hackfest is to try to talk to devs in helping out with a few of the docs
14:50 alynn26 dluch++
14:51 alynn26 mantis++
14:51 dluch mantis++
14:51 mantis I don't know where that would fit in there but that's my thought
14:51 dluch Probably Hackfest?
14:51 mantis +1 hackfest
14:51 alynn26 I can do by basic of ASCIIDOC again, or do we want to do one about the DOc Reorg
14:51 jihpringle would it be useful to do a session to talk about docs, the review, and what community members can do to help?
14:51 alynn26 jihpringle, that was my thoughts
14:51 dluch Yes, to both of those
14:52 mantis +1 Asciidoc and also the doc reorg
14:52 mantis can jihpringle do her cool presentation on GitHub desktop?
14:52 mantis I can't stress enough that it made it so much easier for me to submit after seeing that
14:52 jihpringle definitely willing to if it would be helpful :)
14:52 mantis jihpringle++
14:52 alynn26 +1
14:52 dluch +1
14:53 dluch alynn26++ jihpringle++
14:53 dluch DIG rules the world! Er...conference! ;-)
14:54 jihpringle I could frame it as an easy to submit docs session, and start with how people can contribute without needing to touch git and then finish with the demo
14:54 jihpringle for those who are adventurous
14:54 dluch +1 that sounds like a great plan
14:54 jihpringle try to draw more people in without having them feel like they don't have the technical skills to help
14:54 * alynn26 lol
14:55 alynn26 I will get my presentation submitted.
14:55 jihpringle I'll write up a proposal :)
14:55 dluch Thanks!
14:56 dluch #info Documentation to send for review
14:56 dluch We're getting close to time, so if we need to table this, it's okay. But...
14:56 dluch What completed documentation is a good candidate for this new procedure we're going to try out?
14:56 dluch IIRC, it was going to be completed docs that didn't already have a pull request. Is that right?
14:57 mantis Does it need to be an entire page?
14:57 mantis Oh is this for the new commit procedure with Git Hub?
14:59 abneiman so with a whole new page, you need to also show a new menu entry. With an edited page you don't. And I'd recommend using something with screenshots so that can be covered as well.
14:59 alynn26 How about this one.  I do have a pull request for it.  https://github.com/evergreen-libra​ry-system/Evergreen/pull/142/files
14:59 abneiman show new menu entry = show how to add a menu entry
15:00 dluch mantis: for the idea of sending out completed documentation quarterly to General to ask people to review (?)
15:00 mantis Oh I see
15:00 abneiman oh I also misunderstood, lol
15:00 abneiman yes, +1 to sending completed docs for review
15:00 abneiman if they're in adoc even better
15:01 abneiman but they don't need to be
15:01 dluch I have to admit I'm fuzzy on my recollection of what the discussion around this was
15:01 dluch Okay, cool
15:01 mantis +1
15:01 jihpringle I think I need to watch the video from February :)
15:01 mantis I also did a lot of changes to the OPAC version that could work
15:01 abneiman hahaha same jihpringle
15:01 mantis If you want something more recent
15:01 alynn26 +1 on that
15:02 jihpringle I know I was part of the conversation but I'm also fuzzy about it
15:02 dluch Me, too, lol. Let's just wait on this one. We can talk about it on the discussion list, maybe?
15:02 abneiman +1
15:02 mantis +1 discussion list
15:02 jihpringle +1
15:02 alynn26 +1
15:02 dluch Alright, then...
15:02 dluch #info Our next meeting will be on April 7, on Zoom. I'll post the link on the agenda about a week prior to the meeting.
15:03 dluch Unless anyone has pressing new business, I'll close us out
15:04 dluch Thanks for being here, everyone!
15:04 dluch #endmeeting
15:04 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Mar  3 15:04:04 2022 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:04 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2022/evergreen.2022-03-03-14.00.html
15:04 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2022/evergreen.2022-03-03-14.00.txt
15:04 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2022/evergreen.2022-03-03-14.00.log.html
15:04 Bmagic dluch++
15:04 alynn26 dluch++
15:04 jihpringle dluch++
15:04 abneiman dluch++
15:04 mantis dluch++
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15:58 Dyrcona Anyone know off the top their head what happens if you check in a claims returned item?
16:11 jihpringle I think it depends on your library settings
16:12 Dyrcona <John_Cleese>Naturellement.</John_Cleese>
16:12 * Dyrcona thinks he'll just try it on a test database next week and see what happens. :)
16:13 Dyrcona jihpringle++
16:15 Dyrcona I'm likely to be asked to checkin and delete a bunch of old clams returned items.
16:15 jihpringle Dyrcona: the item gets checked in (with an item alert to tell you it was claimed returned) and goes to reshelving  and then bills may be voided depending on your library settings (at least that's what happens on our test server)
16:15 Dyrcona Maybe I should share this program. I have one that will checkin and delete copies from a spreadsheet.
16:16 Dyrcona jihpringle: Thanks for looking.
16:16 Dyrcona I suspect it might do the same here.
16:16 jihpringle np :)
16:17 Dyrcona My program does all overrides, noop, and void_overdues.
16:19 Dyrcona My suspicion is it will work on claims returned just as well as it works on lost, long overdue, and missing.
16:24 Dyrcona Well, it's about that time. I'll catch everyone again tomorrow!
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