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Dyrcona |
So, from what it looks like (i.e. all of my tests say that the replication is caught up with zero lag), and from what RhodiumToad implied over in #postgresql, that starting replication query I mentioned yesterday is apparently normal in Pg 10. |
| 12:15 |
jeff |
not sure I saw you mention that yesterday. |
| 12:15 |
jeff |
(in here, anyway) |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: You are correct. I did not mention it in here yesterday. |
| 12:26 |
Dyrcona |
Anyway, there you go if you're using replication and planning to upgrade. It looks like the replication process show up in pg_stat_activity in Pg 10+. |
| 12:27 |
Dyrcona |
On the primary database cluster, anyway. |
| 12:28 |
Dyrcona |
Also, the change that I made to the routing on the load balancer seems to interfere with the VPN configuration we use. I'll have to make an adjustment, but I'll wait until later. |
| 12:28 |
Dyrcona |
I dd mention that yesterday. :) |
| 12:54 |
jeff |
ah, yep. from the PostgreSQL 10.0 changelog: |
| 12:54 |
jeff |
Add pg_stat_activity reporting of low-level wait states (Michael Paquier, Robert Haas, Rushabh Lathia) |
| 12:54 |
jeff |
This change enables reporting of numerous low-level wait conditions, including latch waits, file reads/writes/fsyncs, client reads/writes, and synchronous replication. |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
looks like you can probably filter them out by backend_type (also new) |
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Dyrcona |
I missed the significance of that. |
| 13:13 |
Dyrcona |
I'll have to review the change log again. |
| 13:13 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 13:14 |
jeff |
(then some other changes in at least 10.2 and 10.18 related to walsenders and pg_stat_activity) |
| 13:14 |
Dyrcona |
For now, we've modified our monitor query to ignore START_REPLICATION. |
| 13:14 |
Dyrcona |
I think we're on 10.18. |
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* Dyrcona |
checks. |
| 13:14 |
jeff |
10.2 says: Show walsenders that are sending base backups as active in the pg_stat_activity view (Magnus Hagander) |
| 13:15 |
Dyrcona |
Yeahp. |
| 13:15 |
jeff |
and 10.18 says: Make walsenders show their latest replication commands in pg_stat_activity (Tom Lane) / Previously, a walsender would show its latest SQL command, which was confusing if it's now doing some replication operation instead. Now we show replication-protocol commands on the same footing as SQL commands. |
| 13:15 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, that's likely what we're seeing. |
| 13:16 |
Dyrcona |
If it's just 1, I should probably check my walsenders configuration. |
| 13:20 |
jeff |
that last bit (in 10.18) is quite recent (which makes sense, 10.18 itself being rather recent): https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/880181.1600026471@sss.pgh.pa.us |
| 13:21 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. Also, I think my wal senders config is OK. It's all caught up after all, so it doesn't need to run more than 1. I have the max at 5. |
| 13:22 |
jeff |
I don't think that you'd have more than one even if it was "catching up". It's one per WAL client/receiver, and not something that goes up and down depending on how much WAL traffic you're generating. |
| 13:24 |
jeff |
depending on if you're using pg_basebackup with --wal-method=stream, you'd have an extra one running during (part of?) your backup. |
| 13:25 |
jeff |
(or -Xs or --xlog-method, or however you or your version of postgres spells it) :-) |
| 13:25 |
Dyrcona |
Makes sense. I don't usually pay much attention when pg_basebackup is running, certainly not yesterday. It took about 45 minutes to an hour. |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1903358 Staff catalog holds barcode realtime lookup - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7f38b6f> |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] i18n: fix contruct in seed data that broken string extraction - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=72a3811> |
| 14:17 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] Translation updates - newpot - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8687ba8> |
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JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:31 |
JBoyer |
Dev meeting in ~30 |
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gmcharlt |
3.8-beta is now available https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-3-8-beta-available/ |
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csharp_ |
gmcharlt++ |
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JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
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shulabear |
gmcharlt++ |
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JBoyer |
I suppose we may as well have a shindig since I did sent out an invitation. |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
#startmeeting 2021-10-12 - Developer Meeting, Agenda Available at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2021-10-12 |
| 15:02 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Oct 12 15:02:33 2021 US/Eastern. The chair is JBoyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:02 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:02 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2021_10_12___developer_meeting__agenda_available_at_https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org_doku_php_id_dev_meetings_2021_10_12' |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
#topic Introductions |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
Hello! have we met? |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:03 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, EOLI |
| 15:03 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, EI/ECDI |
| 15:03 |
abneiman |
I don't know any of you weirdos |
| 15:03 |
shulabear |
#info shulabear = Shula Link, PINES/GCHRL |
| 15:03 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CW MARS |
| 15:03 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, EOLI |
| 15:03 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox |
| 15:03 |
JBoyer |
abneiman++ |
| 15:04 |
JBoyer |
Folks joining later are welcome to #info up upon said arrivals. |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
It's time for everyone's favorite game: |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
#topic Action Items from Last Meeting |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer will exercise the staff client in a current release of Edge |
| 15:05 |
terranm |
It's fun when they're not my action items |
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| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer will look at adding Edge on Windows support to the Hatch installer |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
To be honest with myself as much as the rest of you, this just isn't happening until November at the earliest, and I don't have the highest hopes for that either. |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
I can promise you that it will be an uneventful thing to test if anyone else would like to volunteer to experiment with the staff client in Edge. |
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JBoyer |
Are there any volunteers interested in downloading Microsoft Chrome and making sure it Does The Thing? |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
#info sandbergja = Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College, coming in late |
| 15:07 |
shulabear |
I can poke at it some in Edge. |
| 15:07 |
JBoyer |
shulabear++ |
| 15:09 |
JBoyer |
I don't expect any surprises since I do use it at home to work with Evergreen, but I use a pretty limited subset of the client. If you could go through and poke at most interfaces side by side with Chrome and note any differences that would go a long way towards answering the question of how hard it would be to support. |
| 15:10 |
shulabear |
Got it. |
| 15:10 |
JBoyer |
#action shulabear will test out the staff client in Microsoft Edge |
| 15:10 |
terranm |
Speaking of which, has anybody done any extensive testing with ChromeOS? I know there are lots of printing headaches with ChromeOS, but not sure about any other potential problems |
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| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
I mean, it literally is Chrome, even moreso than Edge, so I would hope it works, printing (and Hatch) aside. |
| 15:11 |
terranm89 |
Love it when I ask a question and IRC immediately kicks me off |
| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
Gotta turn down my Shatner filter |
| 15:11 |
csharp_ |
# info csharp = Chris Sharp |
| 15:11 |
csharp_ |
er... |
| 15:11 |
csharp_ |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp |
| 15:11 |
csharp_ |
there we go |
| 15:12 |
JBoyer |
terranm89, all you missed was me making a word salad: "I mean, it literally is Chrome, even moreso than Edge, so I would hope it works, printing (and Hatch) aside." |
| 15:12 |
terranm89 |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:12 |
* csharp_ |
hears everything JBoyer types in Shatnervoice now |
| 15:12 |
JBoyer |
Just wait until my album comes out. |
| 15:12 |
csharp_ |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:13 |
JBoyer |
As for the Hatch installer, I'm kind of on the fence about just removing all of the auto-install code and having links to the store pages in the client to install the extensions; anyone have thoughts on that? |
| 15:13 |
shulabear |
I'm hearing Walken more than Shatner. |
| 15:13 |
rfrasur |
shulabear - same. For whatever reason. |
| 15:13 |
csharp_ |
JBoyer: makes sense to me |
| 15:13 |
terranm89 |
Few people know that JBoyer sings like Shatner AND dances like Walken |
| 15:14 |
JBoyer |
More people know it than may want to, hey-o! |
| 15:14 |
Dyrcona |
Walken can actually dance, so... |
| 15:14 |
rfrasur |
omg, the mental images. And so much cowbell. |
| 15:15 |
JBoyer |
My thinking with the Hatch links would be that they're only visible if the extension is missing and only the link you need to avoid confusion. If that was in place I'd be happy to have the registry shenanigans removed from the installer so long as berick doesn't object. |
| 15:15 |
Dyrcona |
For later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 |
| 15:16 |
terranm89 |
I was just looking for that link |
| 15:16 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I don't like registry shenanigans either. |
| 15:16 |
JBoyer |
I think I know what it is, and will verify later. |
| 15:17 |
JBoyer |
If there are no more tangentially Edge related thoughts we can move on to the exciting release update. |
| 15:17 |
JBoyer |
#topic Evergreen Release Updates |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:17 |
JBoyer |
New beta just dropped, gmcharlt++ |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
#info Evergreen 3.8-beta is avaialble |
| 15:17 |
terranm89 |
gmcharlt++ releaseteam++ |
| 15:17 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:18 |
gmcharlt |
some comments: |
| 15:18 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:18 |
gmcharlt |
1. we should also do an OpenSRF release, but that would mostly be about noting the Debian support changes |
| 15:19 |
gmcharlt |
2. For the release notes, I used 'asciidoctor' rather than 'asciidoc' to generate the HTML version. Main reason: asciidoctor supports the number of headings levels we're currently using, asciidoc does not |
| 15:19 |
gmcharlt |
3. testers welcome and needed |
| 15:19 |
gmcharlt |
so I'm wondering if anybody can make commitments to test this week or early next week |
| 15:20 |
gmcharlt |
assuming successful testing, I think the RC period could be truncated or potentially even dropped |
| 15:21 |
JBoyer |
Note if anyone is on the fence that some of the bugsquash servers could be updated to have the 3.8 beta if you're concerned about not being able to install it locally. |
| 15:22 |
rfrasur |
Are we just testing what's in the release notes? |
| 15:22 |
rfrasur |
(sorry, I know this is a dumb question) |
| 15:22 |
abneiman |
I can test against an updated bugsquash (need to finalize some docs things anyway) |
| 15:22 |
JBoyer |
Making sure that nothing existing was broken would also be good. |
| 15:22 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur: that would be a started point, but the broader testing that we collectively do, the more regressions that get identified |
| 15:22 |
rfrasur |
So, release notes and generalized "everything" testing? |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
yeah |
| 15:23 |
JBoyer |
I'll just plan to load up pattypan and festivus with 3.8b. pattypan will be a fresh db, festivus an upgrade from 3.7.1 |
| 15:23 |
rfrasur |
If there's a server, I can commit some time. |
| 15:23 |
JBoyer |
Those 2 will be done today |
| 15:23 |
terranm89 |
I can't promise anything, but if it's on one of the bugsquash servers then I can try to poke at it between other things |
| 15:25 |
rfrasur |
JBoyer, whenever they're ready... I'll have a little more availability on the weekend though. |
| 15:25 |
JBoyer |
later today basically means plan to look at them whenever you have time tomorrow or later; I'm not working on them this particular moment. ;) |
| 15:25 |
rfrasur |
lol, slacker |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
Only one keyboard on this machine. |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
So, if no one has anything else to add re: testing 3.8b we have our LP updates coming up. |
| 15:27 |
terranm89 |
Do these LP tag changes sound okay to everyone? Any red flags or other tag suggestions? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rB11V4Lla_c5Sw_CuytvQRbDBaa6RsIgGA6ZswaaUhs/edit# |
| 15:27 |
terranm89 |
Sorry, did I jump ahead? |
| 15:27 |
JBoyer |
Technically, but that's LP too. :) |
| 15:27 |
terranm89 |
I saw LP and panicked |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
I'll just copy / paste a few lines while people take the time to look that over. |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Snapshot |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Open Bugs - 2617 |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Pullrequests - 71 |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Signedoff - 42 |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Updates Since Last Meeting |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
Bugs Added - 40 |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
Pullrequest tag Added - 19 |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
Signedoff tag Added - 45 |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
Fix Committed - 52 |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
#topic New Business |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
#info terranm89 would like some feedback on her LP tag proposal. :) |
| 15:30 |
gmcharlt |
I've added a couple bits of feedback in the doc, but I'm overall +1 to the idea |
| 15:30 |
terranm89 |
I've spoken with the CAT IG and with Acq folks and they are all excited about easier tagging. |
| 15:30 |
terranm89 |
There's not a way to batch-change LP tags is there? (I don't see any way with my permission level anyhoo.) |
| 15:30 |
terranm89 |
gmcharlt++ thanks for the feedback |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
I have a question about the Lp tags changes: Why differentiate between needsrebase and needsrepatch? |
| 15:31 |
JBoyer |
There would definitely be a difference in the amount of expected effort. |
| 15:31 |
terranm89 |
In my head, needsrebase would be easier / require less actual code fixing |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
I don't necessarily think so, unless by needsrepatch we mean it doesn't work as advertised. |
| 15:31 |
terranm89 |
That's how I was interpreting needsrepatch |
| 15:32 |
JBoyer |
And I think there are a couple instances where that's the case. |
| 15:32 |
terranm89 |
This is the description in the official tags list: testing revealed that the submitted code needs more work |
| 15:32 |
terranm89 |
Of course, we could just change that description, too |
| 15:33 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure that I like the two tags being so similar, but guess I'll have to live with it. |
| 15:33 |
Dyrcona |
Also, I agree with gmcharlt regarding the deprecation tag. |
| 15:34 |
terranm89 |
Whatabout "needsrebase" and "needswork" ? |
| 15:35 |
terranm89 |
I've removed "deprecation" from the list of things to be deprecated :) |
| 15:36 |
JBoyer |
You see, now we're talking about recursion... |
| 15:36 |
terranm89 |
heh |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
needswork seems better. I don't want to get too hung up on terminology though. Tags are mainly useful for searching, and I pretty much only look for signedoff with Fix Committed unchecked. :) |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
"outdated" and "broken"? :-) |
| 15:37 |
JBoyer |
jeff++ |
| 15:37 |
terranm89 |
jeff++ lol |
| 15:37 |
csharp_ |
"bustedyoufixit" |
| 15:37 |
terranm89 |
heh |
| 15:39 |
JBoyer |
Given how many characters match between needsrebase and needsrepatch I do kind of like changing repatch to needswork. |
| 15:39 |
JBoyer |
Easier to tell the difference at a glance. |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
Actually, "broken" might be better. It's shorter. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
I guess needswork is more polite. |
| 15:42 |
JBoyer |
swingandamiss |
| 15:42 |
terranm89 |
I kind of like having the needswork and needsrebase because they are alphabetically grouped with needstest and needsdiscussion - all things that are asking for some specific type of action |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. I concur. |
| 15:42 |
shulabear |
terranm89++ |
| 15:43 |
Dyrcona |
terranm89++ |
| 15:43 |
abneiman |
terranm89++ |
| 15:43 |
JBoyer |
terranm89++ |
| 15:43 |
abneiman |
indeed, great list terranm89 |
| 15:43 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS, super late |
| 15:43 |
terranm89 |
(and needsreleasenote) |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
terranm89++ |
| 15:44 |
terranm89 |
Okay, thanks everyone! I don't suppose there's a way to batch change any of these in LP? |
| 15:44 |
terranm89 |
If not I'll recruit some folks from the interest groups to help |
| 15:45 |
csharp_ |
terranm89's need put R.E.M.'s Pop Song '89 in my head :-) |
| 15:45 |
Bmagic |
renaming them doesn't bring all the bugs with it? |
| 15:45 |
csharp_ |
terranm89: no batching that I'm aware of |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
terranm89: There's some Python libraries that could be used, but I haven't messed with them for a while. |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
Seems to me there was a limit to how many things you could manipulate at once, too. |
| 15:46 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: last time I looked at those they mostly didn't work as far as I could tell |
| 15:46 |
abneiman |
terranm89: I'm happy to help, just not til next week |
| 15:46 |
csharp_ |
probably not updated to python3 too |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_: There's a newer one on Ubuntu 20.04 that seems to work, even has a shell mode. |
| 15:47 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: oh cool - I haven't looked in a while |
| 15:47 |
JBoyer |
Bmagic, it doesn't look like you can rename them, just add new and hide the old. |
| 15:47 |
terranm89 |
yes, was just typing that |
| 15:47 |
terranm89 |
No worries - it's not a bad idea for people to review them and add additional tags at the same time anyway |
| 15:48 |
JBoyer |
But it's possible those python libs might be able to help since the API may be able to do things we can't. Or at least it won't get bored doing it the same way we would. :) |
| 15:48 |
Bmagic |
JBoyer: wow, that'll be "fun" |
| 15:48 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_: lptools and python3-launchpadlib |
| 15:49 |
terranm89 |
It's something I can do while I'm stuck in conference sessions all next week |
| 15:50 |
JBoyer |
If there are no more LP comments I'll move along |
| 15:50 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 15:51 |
JBoyer |
csharp_, Dyrcona , if either of you two come up with something that does the job it might be good to throw something about it on the wiki. |
| 15:51 |
JBoyer |
#topic Announcements |
| 15:51 |
JBoyer |
#info Next Meeting is November 09, 2021 |
| 15:52 |
JBoyer |
And we're out. |
| 15:52 |
JBoyer |
#endmeeting |
| 15:52 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Oct 12 15:52:07 2021 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:52 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-10-12-15.02.html |
| 15:52 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-10-12-15.02.txt |
| 15:52 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-10-12-15.02.log.html |
| 15:52 |
Bmagic |
JBoyer++ |
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terranm89 |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:52 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer++ |
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shulabear |
jboyer++ |
| 15:52 |
abneiman |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:52 |
phasefx |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:52 |
csharp_ |
JBoyer++ |
| 15:55 |
JBoyer |
shulabear++ |
| 15:55 |
JBoyer |
terranm89++ |
| 15:55 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: I had some scripts for updating Lp bugs by series for releases, setting Fix Committed to Fix Released, but they stopped working a few years ago. I have meant to revisit them. |
| 16:03 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona++ hopefully that newer python module will make that easier |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
