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| 06:00 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Create Evergreen Database <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live//archive/2021-09/2021-09-22_04:00:02/test.41.html> |
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| 09:40 |
eby |
I haven't done an os upgrade in place w/ Postgres but may be of interest to some: https://elephanttamer.net/?p=61#brokenindexes |
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Dyrcona |
eby: I have done several O/S upgrades with PostgreSQL, and I don't think I've ever encountered that. I guess I've been lucky. |
| 10:04 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1207533: (follow-up) fix typo from merge conflict resolution - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c697f54> |
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| 10:18 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
| 10:18 |
JBoyer |
Live test fix landing soon |
| 10:20 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1905028: Make live tests chill out - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eea6e5f> |
| 10:22 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: eby: same here - interesting article though and something to keep an eye on |
| 10:23 |
csharp_ |
@bartender live tests |
| 10:23 |
* pinesol |
fills a pint glass with New Belgium Porch Swing Single Ale, and sends it sliding down the bar to live tests (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/192/1916/) |
| 10:23 |
jeff |
perhaps neither of you have done an in-place upgrade that involves the glibc collation changes in question. :-) |
| 10:24 |
jeff |
"The breaking change in glibc was introduced in Debian 10 (Stretch) , Ubuntu 18.10 (cosmic) and 20.04 LTS (focal), and RedHat 8." |
| 10:24 |
berick |
noting our new event-grid.component.ts could use some 'ng lint' love |
| 10:29 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: I've upgraded in place from 18.04 to 20.04 . |
| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
Of course, I've reloaded the databases from dumps multiple times since then. |
| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not using 20.04 in production, yet, just on a test database server. |
| 10:33 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: There's a way to have Tests::More calculate the number of tests. I use it in my Emacs skeletons for Perl tests. |
| 10:35 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:35 |
JBoyer |
Wasn't entirely the issue with that test but good to know. |
| 10:37 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I saw that you changed the number of tests to run. I suppose there are pros and cons of either approach. |
| 10:38 |
Dyrcona |
To have Tests::More calculate the number of tests, just use Tests::More without specifying the number of tests. At the end of the script call the done_testing() subroutine. |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
It's useful when first writing the test script and you don't know yet how many tests you're going to run. One could always go back later and fill in the number of tests and remove the done_testing() line. |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: You remember that security audit that I mentioned last week? I'm debating with myself about opening bugs regarding some of the Apache configuration things. |
| 10:45 |
JBoyer |
Might be worth bringing them up even if they're not especially urgent. If memory serves they had some pretty tame stuff but no harm in checking them out. |
| 10:45 |
JBoyer |
Also, nothing stopping us from making a private security bug public for broader discussion if it's not that serious. |
| 10:46 |
Dyrcona |
Do you have a particular bug in mind, or just speaking generally? |
| 10:46 |
JBoyer |
Generally. |
| 10:47 |
Dyrcona |
I plan to make the new things from the scan that are information or not exploitable (as far as I can tell) public security bugs, since they cause an automated audit to fail. |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Thanks for helping me make up mind. I'll make 1 bug for the Apache configuration things and a separate one for the nginx configuration suggestions. |
| 10:50 |
JBoyer |
That's a good way to go about it. I was just thinking private for things that are more on the fence (or definitely serious). |
| 10:50 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer++ |
| 10:53 |
Dyrcona |
Reviewing my list, I don't think there's anything new that ought to be a private bug. |
| 11:09 |
csharp_ |
@band add Private Bug |
| 11:09 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Band 'Private Bug' added to list |
| 11:10 |
csharp_ |
jeff: we did an in-place upgrade of Ubuntu 16.04 -> Ubuntu 18.04, but we're also using the PostgreSQL APT repo, which may make a difference |
| 11:14 |
Stompro |
Bug #1862694 only seems to effect us, since it is triggered by how we name our servers... but I don't think I'm allowed to test and sign off on it.. right? |
| 11:14 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1862694 in Evergreen 3.6 "Record Buckets - Batch Edit redirect - Regex replace that fails for us" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862694 |
| 11:15 |
Stompro |
Anyone willing to test that they can still get to the Batch Edit interface? I'm willing to test another bug in trade! |
| 11:15 |
gmcharlt |
Stompro: it probably won't be until next week, but I can test it |
| 11:19 |
Stompro |
gmcharlt, thanks, anything I can test in return? |
| 11:26 |
gmcharlt |
Stompro: thanks. maybe bug 1940962? |
| 11:26 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1940962 in Evergreen "Default carousel spacing is too small" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1940962 |
| 11:28 |
Stompro |
gmcharlt, will do. |
| 11:39 |
jvwoolf |
JBoyer: Has that thing we were talking about yesterday (specifically, where having a library set to closed everyday causes circs to fail silently in the client) been reported in Launchpad? |
| 11:40 |
Dyrcona |
jvwoolf: That sounds familiar to me, but I'm not sure how we're expected to fix that, since the hours are a part of calculating due dates. |
| 11:42 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona: Would not allowing an org unti to have no operating hours be an option? |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
jvwoolf: It could be. I can think of a work around of treating no hours of operation as being open all the time, too. |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
By the way, I search for "hours of operation" and "closed dates" on Lp, and found a number of bugs, but not one for this issue. |
| 11:43 |
Dyrcona |
Seems like there should be one, though. |
| 11:44 |
* Dyrcona |
attempts to file one more security bug before lunch, and the rest can wait until after. |
| 11:44 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona: I think no hours = open all the time makes sense. |
| 11:46 |
Dyrcona |
There are likely other things that no hours of operation will interfere with, too, but nothing specific comes to mind. |
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| 11:46 |
terranm |
Is anyone having problems getting to https://terran-master.gapines.org/eg/staff/ ? |
| 11:47 |
mmorgan |
terranm: Working fine for me! |
| 11:47 |
gmcharlt |
terranm: ditto |
| 11:47 |
terranm |
Okay, good, thanks! |
| 11:48 |
jvwoolf |
I also wonder about having separate "open to the public" hours vs. "open for business hours" |
| 11:49 |
jvwoolf |
This came up for us because a library wanted to show as closed in the OPAC, and we didn't realize there would be unintended consequences. |
| 11:49 |
jvwoolf |
Of course, it makes sense now in hindsight. |
| 11:50 |
Dyrcona |
Years ago, tsbere and I considered adding seasonal hours, so that summer hours wouldn't have to be changed to be kept accurate. We never got very far on an implementation. |
| 11:51 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. I can see that having public vs private hours would make sense. |
| 12:00 |
jvwoolf |
Looks like there is already a ticket on this in relation to curbside. Found that one: #1920189 |
| 12:01 |
jvwoolf |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1920189 |
| 12:01 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1920189 in Evergreen "curbside hours" [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
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| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
jvwoolf: Interesting bug, also looks like your request for different hours of operations has bee asked for already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1396764 |
| 12:05 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1396764 in Evergreen "Ability to Record Split Hours of Operation" [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
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| 12:16 |
* mmorgan |
waves to kmlussier |
| 12:17 |
csharp_ |
@praise kmlussier |
| 12:17 |
* pinesol |
kmlussier LOVES the RESISTANCE! |
| 12:18 |
* kmlussier |
is the resistance |
| 12:18 |
kmlussier |
How's the bug squashing going? |
| 12:18 |
csharp_ |
kmlussier++ |
| 12:19 |
* mmorgan |
hands a few bugs to kmlussier |
| 12:19 |
mmorgan |
There's plenty to go around! |
| 12:19 |
csharp_ |
kmlussier: lots of progress, from my POV |
| 12:19 |
mmorgan |
Agreed!! |
| 12:20 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: Since I was mostly comfortable working on TPAC bugs, I'm not sure my skillset is in much demand these days. |
| 12:21 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier: There are still a few of those ;-) |
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| 12:28 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona: I took that to mean they're looking to split hours on one day meaning, a library could be open 9- 12 and 1-5, for example. Not that there would be different "calendars." |
| 12:29 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier++ |
| 12:29 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier++ |
| 12:29 |
Dyrcona |
jvwoolf: OK. I didn't read the bug that closely. |
| 12:29 |
jeff |
csharp_: 16.04 -> 18.04 doesn't appear to be an upgrade that would have changed the gcc collation order, so that's probably the reason more than the PGDG repo. :-) |
| 12:29 |
jvwoolf |
Also, hi kmlussier! |
| 12:32 |
* berick |
waves to kmlussier |
| 12:33 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona: There's also this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1474537 |
| 12:33 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1474537 in Evergreen "Multiple Calendars for Operating Hours " [Wishlist,New] |
| 12:33 |
jvwoolf |
But again, not *quite* there |
| 12:34 |
jvwoolf |
I wonder if we need an hours-of-operation tag LOL |
| 12:34 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 12:34 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, that's more like what tsbere and I were thinking of. |
| 12:37 |
csharp_ |
jeff: makes sense |
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| 12:42 |
jvwoolf |
So, it seems like 2 new bugs may be in order: 1 to report the behavior when there are no hours, and 1 as a wishlist item for business vs. public hours? |
| 12:44 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier++ |
| 12:46 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf, Dyrcona, I'd say the ideal thing to do for closed 7 days is to check that first thing when calculating dates (things like due dates or the emergency closing handler) and if that's the case just short circuit and say "whatever then, don't care." and stick with the current option (based on circ duration or closing handler date, etc.) |
| 12:47 |
JBoyer |
rather than trying to treat it as open all the time or any other special handling. This may require some refactoring or something to catch all of the occurences, but we have plenty of that to worry about already, so... |
| 12:49 |
JBoyer |
Oops, right. I initially came in here to claim 1294. Such database, many setting. |
| 12:49 |
kmlussier |
Hi jvwoolf, berick, Dyrcona, JBoyer! You all l are too generous with your karma. All I did was pop into the channel in search of somebody who apparently isn't around. Karma should only be given for good deeds and contributions. |
| 12:50 |
berick |
aw shucks we're just happy to see ya |
| 12:50 |
JBoyer |
Good feelings from people missed is worth a little karma, surely! |
| 12:51 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier: We are still all benefiting from your good deeds and contributions!! |
| 12:53 |
kmlussier |
Awww, now I'm starting to get sad. |
| 12:53 |
* kmlussier |
needs to head out for a conference call, but may pop back in later. |
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| 12:55 |
kmlussier |
Almost forgot, just in case I don't return... |
| 12:55 |
kmlussier |
parts++ |
| 12:58 |
mmorgan |
@karma parts |
| 12:58 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: Karma for "parts" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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Dyrcona |
Heh. |
| 13:05 |
terranm |
Hi kmlussier!! |
| 13:09 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona, JBoyer: Bug report filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1944601 |
| 13:09 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1944601 in Evergreen "Check Out Fails Silently is Operating Hours are Set to Closed 7 Days a Week" [Undecided,New] |
| 13:10 |
jvwoolf |
Ugh |
| 13:10 |
jvwoolf |
typos-- |
| 13:19 |
jeffdavis |
Here's a weird one: We have a patron account where retrieval in the client is very slow and editing the account has no effect. They have 14,000 actor.usr_activity entries and it seems like the slowness is because every one of those entries is being retrieved. But with other high-activity patron accounts only the latest actor.usr_activity entry is retrieved, so we don't see the same problem with anyone else. |
| 13:19 |
jeffdavis |
Why the difference for this one account? |
| 13:26 |
mmorgan |
jeffdavis: Are some of your usr_activity_types transient? |
| 13:27 |
jeffdavis |
a few are, just the standard ones I think |
| 13:29 |
jeffdavis |
All but one non-transient for this user (and for another user with similar high activity count whose account doesn't have the same retrieve/edit problems). |
| 13:30 |
* mmorgan |
throws back the red herring. |
| 13:32 |
mmorgan |
Anything unusual about the data in the patron record? Is the patron in a usrgroup with multiple patrons? |
| 13:33 |
jeffdavis |
No, no other patrons in the usrgroup, and I can't find anything unusual besides the high activity count. |
| 13:35 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Michele] LP1920253 Add missing carousel workstation setting types - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c8befed> |
| 13:35 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1920253: Stamp Upgrade Script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eea3d42> |
| 13:37 |
mmorgan |
jeffdavis: This rang a bell. We had a patron record we couldn't update on a training server. Turns out there was a long note associated with the record. Here's a link to a discussion on IRC: |
| 13:37 |
mmorgan |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2019-10-11#i_422308 |
| 13:38 |
Dyrcona |
Hm. Should release notes for a marc_stream_importer change go in Cataloging or Administration? |
| 13:40 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, is there Cataloging Administration? |
| 13:40 |
rfrasur |
(I know. This is not helpful.) |
| 13:40 |
Dyrcona |
Not in the release notes directory. I'll just stick in Administration. I usually put support scripts changes there. |
| 13:41 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 13:41 |
mantis |
Wanted to clarify a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1759382 Is this honoring the patron's preferred pickup library or the staff pickup library? Personally, I'm getting different views based on the title vs description |
| 13:41 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1759382 in Evergreen "Provide setting for honoring patron preferred pickup lib for staff placed holds" [Wishlist,New] |
| 13:42 |
jeffdavis |
mmorgan: ah, good thinking, I hadn't checked that. Not the problem here though unfortunately, the user does not have a note. |
| 13:42 |
jeffdavis |
Looks like the issue here might be the circ.patron.usr_activity_retrieve.max org setting, which for some reason is set to -1 (unlimited) for the problem patron's library but defaults to 1 everywhere else. |
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kmlussier |
One of these days, I'm going to wander into the #evergreen channel to give karma to parts and someone will say, "Oh, we deprecated parts x years ago. Where have you been?" |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:10 |
rfrasur |
lol, I'm doing a huge project with parts right now. No deprecation yet. |
| 14:10 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Glad to hear it! |
| 14:15 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier!!! |
| 14:16 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 14:23 |
rfrasur |
I do admit to some weeping and gnashing of teeth adding parts for VHS tapes. |
| 14:23 |
kmlussier |
JUST DISCARD THEM! |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
Not my collection. Workin' on behalf of member libraries. |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
Would that I could. |
| 14:24 |
csharp_ |
meh - they won't notice |
| 14:24 |
csharp_ |
just cough really loud as you throw them in the dumpster |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
This library will. And give some very plausible excuse about Amish populations. |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
And they're also 3 hours from here...or so. |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, maybe two. |
| 14:25 |
* csharp_ |
chuckles at the image of Amish people with VCRs |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
Little gas powered generator in the barn. |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
Maybe a solar array. |
| 14:26 |
csharp_ |
also, my knowledge of the Amish is limited to Witness, Dwight Shrute references, and a couple of PBS documentaries, so what do I know :-) |
| 14:26 |
* rfrasur |
has some experience. |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
I have experience but no answers. |
| 14:27 |
csharp_ |
@quote add <rfrasur> I have experience but no answers. |
| 14:27 |
pinesol |
csharp_: The operation succeeded. Quote #217 added. |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
Hah! A truly broadly applicable and accurate quote if ever there was one. |
| 14:27 |
csharp_ |
rfrasur++ |
| 14:28 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ # your name has been cheered far and wide these past couple days. No exaggeration. |
| 14:30 |
rfrasur |
(amongst other names) |
| 14:32 |
csharp_ |
USA! USA! |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
lol |
| 14:32 |
berick |
heh |
| 14:33 |
csharp_ |
https://frinkiac.com/video/S04E06/4yiAdACNQwJbdAuXxB2gygkCLBo=.gif |
| 14:33 |
terranm |
I had really good Amish cheese and bread in Ohio once. And got stuck in traffic behind a horse-drawn wagon. That's all I got. |
| 14:34 |
rfrasur |
I do love some Amish cheese. |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
And also nonAmish cheese, but that's another story. |
| 14:35 |
csharp_ |
@band add Amish Cheese |
| 14:35 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Band 'Amish Cheese' added to list |
| 14:35 |
mantis |
Amish pickles++ |
| 14:35 |
berick |
rfrasur: hah, i was just about to say.. um, all cheese? |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
mantis, indeed. I'm got some apple butter from Das Dutchman Essenhaus right now at home. It's delightful. |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
berick++ |
| 14:36 |
csharp_ |
@who is going to eat Amish cheese and pickles when they go to the [band] show this weekend? |
| 14:36 |
pinesol |
jvwoolf is going to eat Amish cheese and pickles when they go to the Osrf Websocket Studio show this weekend. |
| 14:36 |
berick |
@band add The Click Fix |
| 14:36 |
pinesol |
berick: Band 'The Click Fix' added to list |
| 14:36 |
berick |
because 1b70eb2e17 |
| 14:36 |
pinesol |
berick: [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1904244: combobox: asyncSupportsEmptyTermClick fix - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1b70eb2> |
| 14:36 |
jvwoolf |
Heck yeah I am |
| 14:36 |
csharp_ |
berick++ |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
I didn't read that it was pinesol that said that and wondered what exactly was going on in jvwoolf's life right now. |
| 14:41 |
* kmlussier |
is disappearing again, but wishes all good things to come for the Evergreeners of the world! |
| 14:42 |
terranm |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier, in a world absent of COVID, hugs would be forthcoming. |
| 14:42 |
kmlussier |
I leave it to mmorgan to ensure that the karma for parts doesn't get too low. |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
mmorgan++ |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
parts++ |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
vhs-- |
| 14:43 |
* kmlussier |
will admit she still has a vhs player. |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
But do you have a circulation modifier of "transiting videodiscs" for your tapes? |
| 14:43 |
kmlussier |
Hugs to all of you too! Virtual hugs are fine even with COVID, right? |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
Or a shelving location of "DVDs"? |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
Hugs to you. Never stop showing up. Please. |
| 14:43 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Well, my system doesn't have any circulation modifiers, so there's that. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
Hah! |
| 14:45 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: No, I do try to visit at least once a year so that a year never goes by without some karma. |
| 14:45 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
It got pretty low one year, but never truly eliminated. |
| 14:46 |
rfrasur |
May it never be so. |
| 14:47 |
rfrasur |
And may your loved ones never see "any unassigned part" in the OPAC. |
| 14:47 |
rfrasur |
(or the staff catalog) |
| 14:55 |
* mmorgan |
missed the party! |
| 14:55 |
mmorgan |
parts++ |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
You didn't miss the party. You ARE the party. |
| 14:56 |
mmorgan |
Hah! |
| 14:57 |
terranm |
New Devs Working Group getting ready to begin at https://meet.google.com/rbg-sgpw-njm |
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* Dyrcona |
decides to sleep on it. |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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