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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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miker |
JBoyer / csharp: the semicolons-instead-of-ampersands issue comes from Template::Plugin::CGI and, as for the entry point in our code, the mkurl MACRO in header.tt2 ... not sure what we can do about that other than rolling our own param-stitching logic |
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csharp |
miker: thanks for the pointer - I'll bug it when I get my wits about me |
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JBoyer |
miker, csharp : behold lp 1687545 |
| 10:03 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1687545 in Evergreen "W3C wants query parameters standardized on ampersands; semicolons are now bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687545 |
| 10:12 |
Dyrcona |
Gotta reboot. |
| 10:16 |
JBoyer |
Though since most of the internet says "stop using CGI.pm!" and it would take ages for a new TT release to hit any of our supported distributions I suppose the actual fix here is to find (one place of ??) where we've missed how to parse query strings. |
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JBoyer |
And... we already forked TT::CGI to add utf8 to it. 1 quick addition to Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/WWW/EGWeb/CGI_utf8.pm and we'll stop generating those. Still have to see what's up with accepting them. |
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csharp |
JBoyer: whoa - how did you travel back to 2017 and get dbs to open that? |
| 10:43 |
JBoyer |
I forgot the winning lotto numbers for that week so figured I'd drop a helpful note and come home. ;) |
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Dyrcona |
Heh. |
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* Dyrcona |
thought we'd had this discussion before. |
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miker |
JBoyer / csharp: above bug updated with a branch |
| 11:28 |
miker |
bah! |
| 11:28 |
miker |
and if I'd refreshed the page I would have seen JBoyer beat me to it... |
| 11:29 |
miker |
I'll sign off yours, JBoyer |
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Dyrcona |
So, I'm doing an fresh installation and I'm testing opensrf. When I run srfsh, I get "Unable to bootstrap client for requests." Services say they are running. What did I miss? |
| 12:16 |
JBoyer |
Huh, didn't realize I had removed the opac tag on that bug. opos. |
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Dyrcona |
OK. In my case, I botched the domain parameter in .srfsh.xml. |
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Dyrcona |
Too many branches to manage. |
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JBoyer |
The Evergreen Project Board meeting happening in ~12 minutes. |
| 13:51 |
rhamby |
Jboyer: I can note it again during the appropriate section but no outreach update for Jan, we usually skip our Jan meeting and the main focus right now is on the conference which abneiman is heading up though next month I will have an update on the annual report as well |
| 13:52 |
JBoyer |
rhamby++ |
| 13:52 |
rhamby |
and I intend to copy and past that for it to avoid typing :) |
| 13:53 |
JBoyer |
I may simply ask if anyone has any Qs for you. :) |
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| 14:02 |
JBoyer |
Apologies for the delay! Let's have a meeting. |
| 14:03 |
JBoyer |
#startmeeting EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21 |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Jan 21 14:03:12 2021 US/Eastern. The chair is JBoyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #evergreen is now (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to 'eob_evergreen_project_board_meeting_for_2021_01_21__agenda__https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org_doku_php_id_governance_minutes_2021_01_21' |
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JBoyer |
#topic Roll Call |
| 14:03 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:03 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, Equinox |
| 14:03 |
tlittle |
#info tlittle = Tiffany Little, PINES |
| 14:03 |
dluch |
#info dluch = Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
| 14:03 |
nfBurton |
#info nfburton = Chris Burton, Niagara Falls Public Library |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#info agoben = Anna Goben, Independent |
| 14:03 |
jlundgren |
#info jlundgren = Jeanette Lundgren, CW MARS |
| 14:03 |
Cowens |
#info Cowens = Chris Owens, COOL/BPL |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 14:04 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox, here in my capacity as Conference Chair |
| 14:04 |
jvwoolf1 |
#info jvwoolf1 = Jessica Woolford, Bibliomation |
| 14:04 |
JBoyer |
#topic Approval of the minutes |
| 14:04 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of the minutes (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:04 |
rhamby |
#info rhamby = Rogan Hamby, Equinox |
| 14:05 |
JBoyer |
Previous meeting's minutes are here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-11 |
| 14:05 |
JBoyer |
Didn't have time to put together my usual script, so things are a little more loose today. |
| 14:06 |
jvwoolf1 |
I move to approve the minutes as written |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
Second |
| 14:06 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Approve the minutes as submitted? yes, no, abstain |
| 14:06 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve the minutes as submitted? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:06 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:06 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 14:06 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve the minutes as submitted?" Results are |
| 14:06 |
pinesol |
yes (9): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, Cowens, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 14:06 |
JBoyer |
Thanks. |
| 14:07 |
JBoyer |
#topic Treasurer's Report |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:07 |
tlittle |
JBoyer also need to vote on the De |
| 14:07 |
tlittle |
Dangit. |
| 14:07 |
tlittle |
We also need to approve the December minutes |
| 14:07 |
JBoyer |
De whut? |
| 14:07 |
tlittle |
Sorry, slippery fingers |
| 14:07 |
JBoyer |
Ah. |
| 14:07 |
dluch |
lol |
| 14:07 |
JBoyer |
The December minutes are available here: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2020/evergreen.2020-12-17-14.00.html |
| 14:07 |
jvwoolf1 |
JBoyer just wants to forget about 2020 :) |
| 14:08 |
tlittle |
I think that's fair :D |
| 14:08 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 14:08 |
dluch |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 14:08 |
JBoyer |
#topic Approval of Minutes (Part 2) |
| 14:08 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Part 2) (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
Oope |
| 14:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
Oops |
| 14:09 |
JBoyer |
Not quite ready for that. :) |
| 14:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
Is there a full moon or something? |
| 14:09 |
tlittle |
I had my queued up too, jvwoolf1 lol |
| 14:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
I move to approve these minutes too LOL |
| 14:09 |
rhamby |
jvwoolf1 if there isn't a full moon there should be |
| 14:09 |
JBoyer |
any seconds? |
| 14:09 |
dluch |
second |
| 14:09 |
JBoyer |
Now I want turkey... |
| 14:10 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Approve the December minutes as submitted? yes, no, abstain |
| 14:10 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve the December minutes as submitted? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:10 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:10 |
agoben |
#vote abstain |
| 14:10 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
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Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 14:10 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve the December minutes as submitted?" Results are |
| 14:10 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, Cowens, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 14:10 |
pinesol |
abstain (1): agoben |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
Full moon isn't until next Thursday! |
| 14:10 |
JBoyer |
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled agenda, mostly. |
| 14:11 |
JBoyer |
#topic Treasurer's Report |
| 14:11 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
#info Treasurer's report folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tyAtEHpj_dy2JCajencKiM0_hKVHf8nV |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
#info Report narrative: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uei_VI8Er_ObFUBImqZujbc1TiQoZRNRJnME3E8VEak/edit# |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
#info Proposed budget: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PqtEGeldg_gnB101z0JZcAw-k22S-exBfAHeVpinJzo/edit#gid=0 |
| 14:12 |
gmcharlt |
in summary, we are currently in a decent financial position even if we end up having to pay the full liquidated damages for the Loews contract |
| 14:12 |
gmcharlt |
with the one unexpected glitch being the IRS notification that they consider that the 990EZ had been filed late |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
which I'll follow up on |
| 14:13 |
dluch |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
tlittle |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
jvwoolf1 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
jlundgren |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
rhamby |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
nfBurton |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
but at present, I see no bar to comfortably funding the 2021 online conference, from which we can expect to make a surplus under just about any circumstance short of meteor impact |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:14 |
dluch |
lol |
| 14:14 |
gmcharlt |
as well as funding the legal fees we can expect from the SFC transition |
| 14:14 |
* abneiman |
just knocked on wood for gmcharlt re meteors |
| 14:14 |
JBoyer |
I'm extremely +1 to keeping enough on hand to survive an entire in-person conference failing in future. |
| 14:14 |
tlittle |
Totally agree |
| 14:14 |
gmcharlt |
yeah, I think the reserve is an important goal |
| 14:15 |
dluch |
Yes, totally +1 on that idea |
| 14:15 |
gmcharlt |
but we are also in a position, as the TEP Board, to seriously start considering funding stuff that's not just the conference |
| 14:15 |
gmcharlt |
I've also proposed a budget for 2021, for which I am open to questions now |
| 14:15 |
gmcharlt |
but I think it would be premature to approve it during thismeeting |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
but when we get to it in the agenda, I _do_ think we should enterain a motion to approve the conference budget |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
I also noted in the narrative various actions I'll be taking over the next two months |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
so... any questions? |
| 14:17 |
jvwoolf1 |
None from me, very thorough |
| 14:17 |
dluch |
I looked it over quickly before the meeting and think it looks good! No questions. I thought your reports and proposal were excellent! |
| 14:17 |
JBoyer |
Indeed, this is very helpful. |
| 14:17 |
tlittle |
Yes, this is really appreciated. Great work! |
| 14:18 |
JBoyer |
I am curious how long before we were eligible the IRS expected us to have a 990 in place. |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
that's one of the things I'll need to clarify |
| 14:18 |
tlittle |
General question, is it appropriate to add your to-do list as action items in the minutes? |
| 14:19 |
tlittle |
I see a couple I'd definitely add, but just wanted to clarify correctness of doing that |
| 14:19 |
JBoyer |
It would help us keep track of things in motion in a more centralized place I suppose. |
| 14:20 |
tlittle |
Okey dokey. Thanks! Please carry on as I copy paste :) |
| 14:20 |
tlittle |
#action gmcharlt will follow up with the IRS regarding their notice |
| 14:20 |
JBoyer |
Any other financial questions before we move on to committees? |
| 14:21 |
tlittle |
#action By the end of February, complete our GuideStar profile |
| 14:21 |
tlittle |
#action By the end of February, gmcharlt will complete a review of the 2020 transactions and prepare a 990 for review by the board |
| 14:21 |
tlittle |
#action By the end of January, determine if any 1099 forms must be sent out |
| 14:21 |
JBoyer |
#topic Release Team Report |
| 14:21 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Release Team Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:22 |
tlittle |
#action By the end of January, send donation acknowledgements to the individuals and institutions that donated to the Evergreen Project in 2020 |
| 14:22 |
tlittle |
Okay, done. Thanks gmcharlt! |
| 14:22 |
JBoyer |
tlittle++ |
| 14:22 |
JBoyer |
I'm not sure anyone |
| 14:23 |
JBoyer |
s around to give a rel team update, but you have until I get the next heading typed to at least interrupt me, |
| 14:23 |
JBoyer |
:) |
| 14:23 |
JBoyer |
#topic Outreach Committee |
| 14:23 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:23 |
rhamby |
no outreach update for Jan, we usually skip our Jan meeting and the main focus right now is on the conference which abneiman is heading up though next month I will have an update on the annual report as well |
| 14:24 |
rhamby |
so I'll keep the stage empty for abneiman to discuss the conference when we get there on the agenda |
| 14:24 |
rhamby |
questions? |
| 14:24 |
JBoyer |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
dluch |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
tlittle |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
gmcharlt |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
jvwoolf1 |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
jlundgren |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
agoben |
rhamby++ |
| 14:24 |
JBoyer |
#topic Fundraising Committee |
| 14:24 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Fundraising Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:25 |
JBoyer |
I suspect this will also be punted until February? |
| 14:25 |
gmcharlt |
correct, though the GuideStar profile will be at least a bit of infrastructure work for fundraising |
| 14:26 |
JBoyer |
Sounds good. |
| 14:26 |
JBoyer |
#topic 2021 Online Conference Committee |
| 14:26 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now 2021 Online Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 14:26 |
JBoyer |
abneiman, fire away |
| 14:26 |
abneiman |
thanks JBoyer |
| 14:26 |
abneiman |
#info Conference Committee report here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EnSAZg6T_W1yJGzYSx2idaew43gABMlogj1Cp4M90XI/edit?usp=sharing |
| 14:26 |
abneiman |
this is the same one I sent to the board email list yesterday |
| 14:27 |
abneiman |
and I would like to request board action on the items listed in the second set of bullet points |
| 14:27 |
abneiman |
including speaker contract, budget, sponsorships, and proposed changes to the photography policy |
| 14:27 |
abneiman |
I'm happy to answer questions about any of those or the report in general |
| 14:28 |
dluch |
As a point of clarification, do we need to approve each thing separately, or can we just approve the whole lot at once? |
| 14:28 |
tlittle |
abneiman just a heads up, on the prospectus I noticed on page 6 that it refers to The Evergreen Oversight Board instead of the Evergreen Project Board |
| 14:29 |
nfBurton |
Is there a timeline for registration? |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
thank you tlittle, I will note that and make sure we correct it in the final version |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
dluch, that is up to the board how each item is taken |
| 14:29 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: we could consider doing unamineous consent for the full set of changes (speaker contract, budget, sponsorship levels and prospectus, photography changes) |
| 14:29 |
abneiman |
nfBurton, tentative registration timeline is in another doc, one sec while I get that info |
| 14:30 |
gmcharlt |
and bounce to doing it a motion at a time if any board member would prefer |
| 14:30 |
tlittle |
I think there should be a specific motion for each one, as annoying as that is. That way it's very specific in the minutes what we've changed/approved |
| 14:30 |
dluch |
abneiman: One thought I had when reading the speaker contract was about binary pronoun use. Could we just replace he/she with they and/or their (which would also cover multiple people if we ever had a panel or something as a future keynote)? |
| 14:30 |
abneiman |
nfBurton, pending board approval of budget etc., we hope to launch registration in early February. We have not specifically determined cutoff for earlybird. |
| 14:31 |
gmcharlt |
(and item-by-item review is certainly very appropriate, and not just for the sake of the minutes) |
| 14:31 |
nfBurton |
abneiman++ |
| 14:31 |
jvwoolf1 |
abneiman: Looks like you need to grant access to the prospectus |
| 14:32 |
abneiman |
apologies, jvwoolf1 - should be fixed now |
| 14:32 |
jvwoolf1 |
abneiman++ |
| 14:32 |
JBoyer |
Since we're considering items individually, lets take abneiman's second set of bullet points as an ordered list. That way she can get the prospectus sorted before we get there. :) |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
in that case |
| 14:33 |
JBoyer |
So, any discussion or motion to approve the speaker contract? |
| 14:33 |
dluch |
Just my comment above |
| 14:34 |
JBoyer |
That is a good point dluch, it's also one less thing to worry about missing when updating the contract each year. |
| 14:34 |
gmcharlt |
I move that the speaker contract be approved as drafted in the Conference Committee report, subject to a discretionary change of pronouns in the wording, and that the board officers proceed with executing it |
| 14:34 |
tlittle |
I'll second |
| 14:35 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Approve speaker contract with discretionary edits as specified? yes, no, abstain |
| 14:35 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve speaker contract with discretionary edits as specified? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:35 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:35 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:35 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 14:35 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve speaker contract with discretionary edits as specified?" Results are |
| 14:35 |
pinesol |
yes (9): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, Cowens, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 14:36 |
gmcharlt |
I've got a motion for the budget ready to go if folks are ready |
| 14:36 |
JBoyer |
The budget is certainly simpler than in past years as there's no reception or ice cream bar (alas) |
| 14:36 |
tlittle |
I have a quick question about the budget |
| 14:37 |
tlittle |
It has the older years to the side in gray, but it has 2020 (projected). Those aren't the numbers for the online 2020 conference, right? |
| 14:37 |
abneiman |
tlittle: no, the 2020 projected was what had been projected for the in-person conference |
| 14:37 |
dluch |
Well, there is a reception, it's just BYOB/food and online. ;-P |
| 14:37 |
tlittle |
So are the budgeted numbers here in line with what we spent for the online conference? Sorry if I've missed that somewhere |
| 14:37 |
JBoyer |
dluch++ |
| 14:37 |
tlittle |
*the online 2020 conference |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
we didn't spend anything as I recall. It was all donated. |
| 14:38 |
abneiman |
agoben is correct - |
| 14:38 |
dluch |
yep |
| 14:38 |
JBoyer |
Yeah, the timing made that a little more unstructured. |
| 14:38 |
tlittle |
Oh! That makes it easy. Nevermind then :) |
| 14:38 |
tlittle |
Thank you! I had completely forgotten about that |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
though pricing for the captioning service does follow what was donated |
| 14:38 |
tlittle |
I'm all good |
| 14:38 |
abneiman |
all services were donated, and we didn't really have a budget so much as a loose collection of much-appreciated sponsors |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
and platform fees are for Hopin, which was used for hte hack-a-way |
| 14:39 |
gmcharlt |
abneiman: a financial helicopter, even |
| 14:39 |
gmcharlt |
ok, I shall make my motion |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
Is that a one-time use license or for a time frame of use? |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
Hop-in, that is |
| 14:39 |
abneiman |
agoben: time frame |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
Year? Month? Other? |
| 14:40 |
abneiman |
that's pricing for ~5 months |
| 14:40 |
abneiman |
rhamby: is that correct? |
| 14:40 |
JBoyer |
To include ticketing and so on |
| 14:40 |
JBoyer |
(in advance) |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
I know this is probably the wrong time, but should we budget for the full year in case we want to use it on an ad hoc basis for other events that might come up? |
| 14:40 |
rhamby |
abneiman : correct |
| 14:41 |
rhamby |
the tickets cost is in addition to the platform of course |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
(Hackaway or thematic workshops or the like?) |
| 14:41 |
gmcharlt |
agoben: my understanding is that Hop-in is easy on, easy off |
| 14:41 |
JBoyer |
I think that would be more a TEP Budget thing for February rather than a conference budget, and I don't think there's a discount for annual. |
| 14:41 |
abneiman |
noting that re hopin, the ticketing costs are accounted for in the "platform transaction fees" line of the conference budget |
| 14:42 |
tlittle |
Maybe in the future we want to just have that as a line item in our overall budget, and then it wouldn't have to be included in the conference budget. |
| 14:42 |
tlittle |
Oh, jinx, JBoyer |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
Yeah, I was thinking an annual license would open up other event opps for fund raising. |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
Fair to keep it separate for now |
| 14:42 |
rhamby |
gmcharlt: correct, for the Hack-A-Way we simply signed up with a card and then when were done went in and canceled the account through the web site |
| 14:43 |
rhamby |
no "inform us in 90 days" or annual contract type stuff, just monthly application as service |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
so, I move that the 2021 conference budget be approved as drafted, and that the board officers and conference committee make necessary purchases and contractor arrangements to implement it, with the conference committee and treasurer to produce reports of expenditures during the monthly board meetings. |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
er, slight mispaste |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
I move that the 2021 conference budget be approved as drafted, and that the board officers and conference committee make necessary purchases and contractor arrangements to implement it, with the conference committee and treasurer to produce reports of expenditures for the monthly board meetings. |
| 14:45 |
nfBurton |
I would second that |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
("for" instead of "during") |
| 14:46 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Approve 2021 Online Conference Budget as submitted, with regular updates to the board? yes, no, abstain |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve 2021 Online Conference Budget as submitted, with regular updates to the board? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:46 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:46 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve 2021 Online Conference Budget as submitted, with regular updates to the board?" Results are |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 14:47 |
JBoyer |
Oops, looks like i may have been a little too quick there, |
| 14:47 |
gmcharlt |
JBoyer: yeah, i suggest giving at least a full minute minimum for the vote |
| 14:47 |
JBoyer |
Has everyone had an opportunity to look over the sponsorship levels and prospectus? |
| 14:47 |
gmcharlt |
(unless it's clear that all present members have voted) |
| 14:48 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt, I was trying to count, but apparently scrolling and old eyes have conspired against me. |
| 14:49 |
jvwoolf1 |
Prospectus looks like the paging is not quite right, but I presume that's a Word-to-Google Docs translation thing |
| 14:50 |
JBoyer |
Oh, a space ate Cowens' vote, I apparently can count to 9, heh. |
| 14:50 |
abneiman |
jvwoolf1: indeed :) I put in on drive for easy sharing but we'll make sure the formatting is back to normal before it's PDF'd |
| 14:51 |
jvwoolf1 |
abneiman: Good deal |
| 14:52 |
gmcharlt |
not to forestall further discussion, but to make a moton and raise a point: |
| 14:52 |
gmcharlt |
I move that the 2021 conference sponsorship levels prospectus be approved and that the conference committee be empowered to publish them. Changes of logo, design, standing policies, and conference details are permitted at the Conference Committee's discretion, but any changes to dollar amounts or benefits must be approved by the board. |
| 14:52 |
agoben |
Second |
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| 14:53 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Approve 2021 conference sponsorship levels with publishing at committee discretion as moved by gmcharlt? yes, no, abstain? |
| 14:53 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve 2021 conference sponsorship levels with publishing at committee discretion as moved by gmcharlt? yes, no, abstain? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 14:53 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:53 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:54 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 14:54 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 14:54 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve 2021 conference sponsorship levels with publishing at committee discretion as moved by gmcharlt? yes, no, abstain?" Results are |
| 14:54 |
gmcharlt |
don't keep us hanging, pinesol |
| 14:54 |
jvwoolf1 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:55 |
dluch |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:55 |
tlittle |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:55 |
abneiman |
lol, I thought my computer was getting ready to hiccup again |
| 14:55 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:55 |
gmcharlt |
ok, I guess let the record state that the motion passed unaminously |
| 14:55 |
JBoyer |
Well, hopefully there *are* minutes for this meeting. :) |
| 14:55 |
tlittle |
#info The motion passed unanimously. |
| 14:55 |
tlittle |
There we go, just in case lol |
| 14:56 |
abneiman |
tlittle++ |
| 14:56 |
JBoyer |
That leaves only the photo policy |
| 14:57 |
tlittle |
For the part about the color borders, what happens if anyone in a session has a yellow/red border? Would all screenshots/recording be banned, then? |
| 14:57 |
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| 14:57 |
tlittle |
Sorry, photos/screen captures |
| 14:57 |
abneiman |
yes, any captures that would include that person's image would be prohibited with a red border; and permission-only with yellow |
| 14:58 |
agoben |
Can an individual be scrubbed from the image and the image still used? |
| 14:58 |
abneiman |
agoben: I'm ok with that in case of an accidental capture, if that's what you all agree to |
| 14:59 |
JBoyer |
So if someone has a red border (which we still don't know is even possible so far as I'm aware) has their camera on for an entire recorded session it can't be shared later or they have to be kicked before the session starts? |
| 14:59 |
agoben |
Otherwise, yeah, we're setting up to have to ask ppl to leave early or just leave if the speaker wants to take a pic |
| 15:00 |
abneiman |
or we have to ensure that the recording does not capture attendee cameras, which IME is possible |
| 15:00 |
tlittle |
Yeah, I think maybe the color border (even theoretically) might not be a good idea. If people don't want to be recorded, they can simply turn their camera off. |
| 15:00 |
agoben |
Sorry to ask and run, but I have to go back to work now. Good luck!!! |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
and/or make use of any platform options to prevent attendees from turning on their cameras |
| 15:00 |
JBoyer |
agoben++ |
| 15:00 |
dluch |
tlittle: I agree |
| 15:00 |
tlittle |
agoben++ |
| 15:01 |
jvwoolf1 |
agoben++ |
| 15:01 |
dluch |
agoben++ |
| 15:01 |
dluch |
gmcharlt: yes |
| 15:01 |
JBoyer |
That is one hassle with hopin, it doesn't remember your camera on/off preference when joining an A/V call, it defaults to both on and then you have to turn off the camera or only use chat the whole time. |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
I'm happy to strike the section about the borders in favor of language about turning off cameras and/or utiliizing platform options |
| 15:02 |
tlittle |
The lanyards make sense in person because you can just...not take a pic of that person. But when everyone's on one screen, I don't think one person's preference should affect the entire group when they can personally choose their camera setting |
| 15:02 |
tlittle |
I'd be good with that, abneiman |
| 15:03 |
nfBurton |
I agree with that change. People can decide for themselves but I'm sure the intent like last year is to share the sessions on Youtube |
| 15:04 |
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| 15:04 |
jlundgren |
agreed. It's also good to announce a session will be recorded before pressing record. |
| 15:04 |
abneiman |
live editing -- struck the paragraph about borders, and added a sentence to the end of my second (formerly third) paragraph |
| 15:04 |
JBoyer |
I appreciate trying to keep the spirit of the lanyards, but to actually work would require significant hosting platform support that I don't believe exists yet. I do like the segment about not screen-sharing chat also |
| 15:05 |
dluch |
jlundgren: good point |
| 15:05 |
tlittle |
Is "chat windows associated with the platform"--is that like the chat window in the session? Cause I think that should be preserved since sometimes people ask questions there |
| 15:05 |
tlittle |
I mean, I don't feel super strongly about that one, I just notice that people do ask questions there |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
but also sometimes logistical questions that they don't necessary want a permanent record of |
| 15:06 |
tlittle |
Ah, fair enough |
| 15:06 |
abneiman |
I think the concern with chat windows was .... yes, what gmcharlt was saying |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
since it's good practice to for the presenter or assiistant to restate the question anyway, doing that would preserve the context for the recording |
| 15:06 |
abneiman |
and also +1 to jlundgren 's point about proactively notifying attendees of recordings |
| 15:07 |
tlittle |
That sounds good to me (both of those) |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
also, I want to say that there are some potential platforms that send ALL chat, including private ones, to the meeting host |
| 15:07 |
tlittle |
Oh, ick. That's no good |
| 15:07 |
JBoyer |
It may also be possible to have someone with access to the transcripts pull out and anonymize interesting Q&A before deleting them. |
| 15:08 |
JBoyer |
If they're not properly restated as gmcharlt mentioned above. |
| 15:09 |
JBoyer |
But that's not photo policy stuff, any further discussion or suggestions before we have one more motion and vote? |
| 15:10 |
tlittle |
None here. Looks good to me |
| 15:10 |
JBoyer |
Now that you've made a correction, yes. ;) |
| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
I would be happy to entertain a motion for approval of the amended policy. |
| 15:11 |
tlittle |
I'll move to accept the Photography Policy as is currently written. |
| 15:11 |
dluch |
second |
| 15:11 |
gmcharlt |
second |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
I've also named the revision we're talking about in the document "For Board approval..." |
| 15:12 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Accept Amendments to Photography Policy as Amended for 2021 Online Conference? yes, no, abstain |
| 15:12 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Accept Amendments to Photography Policy as Amended for 2021 Online Conference? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 15:12 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 15:12 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 15:13 |
JBoyer |
Cowens, if the '#' isn't the very first character it won't be counted |
| 15:13 |
Cowens |
Sorry, not sure why I keep doing that |
| 15:13 |
JBoyer |
Looks like a space snuck in. |
| 15:13 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 15:13 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 15:13 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Accept Amendments to Photography Policy as Amended for 2021 Online Conference?" Results are |
| 15:13 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, Cowens, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 15:13 |
abneiman |
are there objections to me going ahead and putting the approved policy on the website, with the relevant date updated? Or should someone else do that? |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
good bot |
| 15:13 |
JBoyer |
If you have access it's been approved. |
| 15:14 |
jlundgren |
sounds good to me abneiman++ |
| 15:14 |
tlittle |
abneiman++ |
| 15:14 |
abneiman |
alrighty. Thank you all so much for your time, I'm sorry to take up the whole meeting :) |
| 15:14 |
jvwoolf1 |
abneiman++ |
| 15:14 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 15:14 |
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| 15:15 |
JBoyer |
#topic Old Business |
| 15:15 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Old Business (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 15:15 |
JBoyer |
#topic SFC Update |
| 15:15 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Update (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 15:16 |
JBoyer |
#info Jon has reached out to the SFC (I assume Karen) and has not yet heard back. He'll keep us informed as things progress. (and also when they don't, as the case may be.) |
| 15:16 |
JBoyer |
#topic Open Meetings Research / Meeting Format |
| 15:16 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Open Meetings Research / Meeting Format (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 15:16 |
JBoyer |
Thank you tlittle for looking into this. |
| 15:17 |
jlundgren |
tlittle++ |
| 15:17 |
jvwoolf1 |
Sorry, I had a question about the SFC thing |
| 15:17 |
JBoyer |
It looks like we should have no trouble mixing video into our meetings as needed / desired. |
| 15:17 |
tlittle |
Sure thing! Sorry for sending it out only today |
| 15:17 |
JBoyer |
Sorry jvwoolf1, go ahead. |
| 15:17 |
dluch |
tlittle++ |
| 15:18 |
jvwoolf1 |
Was wondering if we shouldn't let Jon know what the ticket number is, since Bradley was so adamant about that being the proper channel of communication |
| 15:18 |
gmcharlt |
my main comment is we should ensure that we publicize the coordinates of video meetings well in advance, but we have precedent for doing that anyway |
| 15:18 |
gmcharlt |
and ensure that we actively invite the community |
| 15:19 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1, He was included in that missive I believe, so he should have the thread at hand, but one of us can send him a gentle reminder just in case. Would you like to do that? |
| 15:19 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:19 |
jvwoolf1 |
JBoyer: Sure, I can do that |
| 15:19 |
tlittle |
I agree. I would propose that our meetings be de facto video meetings (with cameras turned off if board members so choose), with the agenda plus meeting details published at least a week in advance. The meeting details can also be posted in IRC right before the meeting if community members want to hop in |
| 15:19 |
JBoyer |
The advance part has been a little shaky on a couple of them, but yes. |
| 15:20 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:20 |
dluch |
tlittle++ |
| 15:20 |
JBoyer |
tlittle++ |
| 15:20 |
tlittle |
I mean, that's essentially the motion I'd like to make, but in case there's any discussion over that :) |
| 15:20 |
JBoyer |
I suspect that would help keep the time a little more in line. |
| 15:21 |
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| 15:21 |
tlittle |
Ok, then I'm going to make the motion that going forward TEP meetings should be held via videoconferencing software. The agenda and meeting details should be published at least a week prior to the meeting and distributed to the community at large. |
| 15:22 |
gmcharlt |
I would like to make a friendly revision |
| 15:22 |
tlittle |
Please, since that's very off the cuff :) |
| 15:22 |
gmcharlt |
namely, three business days in advance |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
to give a bit more flexibility and not risk putting ourselves in a position that we might not be technically allowed to meet |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
(I do think a week in advance is a good target to shoot for, but given our nature as a volunteer group of very busy people...) |
| 15:23 |
tlittle |
I think that's fair. I don't know that it should go into a motion, but any materials for the Board's perusal should be with the agenda (so also three days ahead) |
| 15:23 |
tlittle |
*I would think that any materials for the Board's perusal |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
certain if we decide to implement consent agendas, such items definitely wuld need to be present in advance |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
*certainly |
| 15:24 |
tlittle |
I'm good with amending my motion to three days |
| 15:24 |
tlittle |
Should I restate the whole thing? |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
might be clearer |
| 15:24 |
JBoyer |
There's no second yet, may as well. :) |
| 15:25 |
tlittle |
Okay. I move that going forward TEP meetings should be held via videoconferencing software. The agenda and meeting details should be published at least three business days prior to the meeting and distributed to the community at large. |
| 15:25 |
gmcharlt |
second |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
#startvote Shall The Evergreen Project Board meetings be moved to videoconferencing software as moved by Tiffany? yes, no, abstain |
| 15:26 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Shall The Evergreen Project Board meetings be moved to videoconferencing software as moved by Tiffany? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. |
| 15:26 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 15:26 |
jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
Cowens |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
I think I broke the bot by using gmcharlt 's name in a vote, so trying this without tlittle's. |
| 15:26 |
JBoyer |
#endvote |
| 15:26 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Shall The Evergreen Project Board meetings be moved to videoconferencing software as moved by Tiffany?" Results are |
| 15:26 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, Cowens, tlittle, jlundgren, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, dluch |
| 15:27 |
jvwoolf1 |
tlittle++ |
| 15:27 |
JBoyer |
tlittle++ |
| 15:27 |
gmcharlt |
tlittle++ |
| 15:27 |
dluch |
tlittle++ |
| 15:27 |
jlundgren |
tlittle++ |
| 15:28 |
jvwoolf1 |
A part of me will miss giving kharma out during meetings :) |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Given the time, do we want to table Strategic Planning until February, or do you all want to power through? |
| 15:28 |
tlittle |
We should do golf claps instead |
| 15:28 |
jvwoolf1 |
Though I suppose we can still do taht |
| 15:28 |
csharp |
jvwoolf1: you can still add karma here |
| 15:28 |
jvwoolf1 |
tlittle++ |
| 15:28 |
dluch |
jvwoolf1: Me, too! I ddin't think of that! |
| 15:28 |
tlittle |
lol |
| 15:28 |
gmcharlt |
I do think we should continue to the occassional IRC meeting, since there's a consituency that lives in iRC |
| 15:28 |
JBoyer |
Looking to one side, typing on the other, heh. |
| 15:29 |
jlundgren |
minutes are easier...maybe |
| 15:29 |
csharp |
speaking of real-time feedback, will the meetings be public (or at least available for non-EPB members to join) as they are happening? |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
Yes, I wouldn't want to entirely stop holding these. |
| 15:29 |
gmcharlt |
but to respond to JBoyer, I think we should defer the strategic planning item to next month |
| 15:29 |
tlittle |
csharp Yes, they would |
| 15:29 |
dluch |
csharp: yes |
| 15:29 |
JBoyer |
csharp, public yes, but just members on mic. |
| 15:29 |
csharp |
I do like the "popping my head in" ability we have now |
| 15:29 |
jlundgren |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:29 |
csharp |
awesome |
| 15:29 |
csharp |
thanks |
| 15:30 |
dluch |
+1 to gmcharlt's comment |
| 15:30 |
JBoyer |
#info Strategic Planning session tabled until next meeting |
| 15:30 |
JBoyer |
#topic New Business |
| 15:30 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 15:30 |
JBoyer |
#topic 2021 Board Member Election |
| 15:30 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now 2021 Board Member Election (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2021-01-21, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2021-01-21) |
| 15:31 |
JBoyer |
I don't anticipate this discussion taking very long but we do need to get it started soon. |
| 15:32 |
JBoyer |
Who would like to start the process of soliciting nominations and running this year's election? |
| 15:32 |
jvwoolf1 |
JBoyer, thought you already tapped me? |
| 15:32 |
JBoyer |
I asked if you'd be willing. :) |
| 15:33 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1687545: Force TT CGI plugin to use ampersands in query strings - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4cc9ddc> |
| 15:33 |
JBoyer |
So hearing no other clamors to the contrary, jvwoolf1 will take the lead on this. |
| 15:33 |
dluch |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:34 |
jlundgren |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:34 |
tlittle |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:34 |
jvwoolf1 |
I would like to take on an "apprentice" among the board members who will continue to serve beyond this year |
| 15:34 |
JBoyer |
Would anyone be willing to help though? Maybe help beat the bushes to shake loose those who don't know what leadership potential they posses? |
| 15:34 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
(side note, very much for later: we may want to consider a bylaws change to more firmly set a no-later-than date for the official annual meeting; tying it to the conference date has... issues) |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:34 |
JBoyer |
gmcharlt, +1 to that. |
| 15:34 |
tlittle |
Also +1 to that |
| 15:35 |
dluch |
+1 |
| 15:35 |
jlundgren |
I'm happy to apprentice jvwoolf1 |
| 15:35 |
JBoyer |
jlundgren++ |
| 15:35 |
dluch |
jlundgren++ |
| 15:35 |
jvwoolf1 |
jlundgren++ |
| 15:35 |
tlittle |
jlundgren++ |
| 15:36 |
JBoyer |
#info jvwoolf1 will lead the nominations and prepare for this year's board election with help from jlundgren |
| 15:36 |
jvwoolf1 |
Always two, there are :D |
| 15:36 |
tlittle |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:36 |
dluch |
LOL |
| 15:36 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:36 |
dluch |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:37 |
JBoyer |
Any other discussion or concerns before I paste in the next meeting and turn this off? |
| 15:37 |
tlittle |
None here. |
| 15:37 |
jlundgren |
Nope. |
| 15:38 |
dluch |
Nope! |
| 15:38 |
JBoyer |
#info Next meeting will be on 2021-02-18 with connection details forthcoming |
| 15:38 |
JBoyer |
Thank you everyone |
| 15:38 |
JBoyer |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol |
Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 15:38:33 2021 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-01-21-14.03.html |
| 15:38 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-01-21-14.03.txt |
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pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2021/evergreen.2021-01-21-14.03.log.html |
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jvwoolf1 |
JBoyer++ |
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tlittle |
JBoyer++ |
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JBoyer++ |
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JBoyer++ |
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Bmagic |
has anyone seen 63 SIP messages returning 64 messages with a ton of |AV| sections? AKA"|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|AV|" |
| 17:20 |
berick |
Bmagic: that rings a bell... |
| 17:20 |
Bmagic |
oh? |
| 17:20 |
Bmagic |
I was starting to think that the vendor is formatting the 63 message oddly |
| 17:22 |
Bmagic |
the 63 message contained "BQ50" - which when I change it to "BQ1" the problem goes away |
| 17:23 |
berick |
ahh |
| 17:23 |
berick |
it's pulling undef values from the array of fines |
| 17:24 |
berick |
BP and BQ define a range |
| 17:24 |
berick |
we've fixed this in other parts of the code.. |
| 17:24 |
berick |
https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/SIP/Patron.pm;h=c26d8bffb92d7bb46d4450c2952684c8859a4bc8;hb=HEAD#l992 |
| 17:26 |
berick |
anyway that return needs to verify the range of values selected only contain defined values |
| 17:26 |
berick |
instead of a swath of nothingness from an array |
| 17:28 |
Bmagic |
it's Evergreen's issue? |
| 17:28 |
berick |
yeah |
| 17:28 |
Bmagic |
darn |
| 17:29 |
Bmagic |
so, BQ50 is valid? (I was trying to find the definition in the specs) - I found that it's called "FID_END_ITEM" in EG, but still haven't found the issue |
| 17:29 |
berick |
yeah, it's valid |
| 17:30 |
Bmagic |
so that line that you linked... loops until the integer is met (50) in this case ? |
| 17:31 |
berick |
it's pulling a slice of values from the array, with start and end indexes |
| 17:31 |
berick |
but all of the values are undefined (the array doesn't have 50 items) |
| 17:32 |
Bmagic |
the vendor wants Evergreen to return the top 50 bills, and Evergreen returns everything it has, then when it runs out, just returns blank AV's |
| 17:32 |
Bmagic |
ok, makes sense |
| 17:32 |
berick |
yeah |
| 17:33 |
berick |
return (defined $start and defined $end) ? [ grep {$_} @fines[($start-1)..($end-1)] ] : \@fines; |
| 17:33 |
berick |
something like that should fix it |
| 17:33 |
berick |
discard falsy things |
| 17:37 |
Bmagic |
berick++ |
| 17:38 |
Bmagic |
perl is nuts with one-liners like that |
| 17:38 |
berick |
yeah, that could be more readable |
| 17:38 |
Bmagic |
I'll make the bug report |
| 17:40 |
berick |
Bmagic++ |
| 17:44 |
Bmagic |
berick: bug 1912699 |
| 17:44 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1912699 in Evergreen "SIP returns multiple AVs in a 64 response message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912699 |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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