Evergreen ILS Website

IRC log for #evergreen, 2020-10-01

| Channels | #evergreen index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary | Join Webchat

All times shown according to the server's local time.

Time Nick Message
00:11 mrisher_ joined #evergreen
02:27 mrisher joined #evergreen
02:35 mrisher joined #evergreen
03:59 abowling joined #evergreen
04:07 gmcharlt joined #evergreen
05:10 gmcharlt joined #evergreen
06:01 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
07:21 rjackson_isl_hom joined #evergreen
08:27 mantis1 joined #evergreen
08:31 sandbergja joined #evergreen
08:40 mmorgan joined #evergreen
08:56 rfrasur joined #evergreen
09:06 Dyrcona joined #evergreen
09:11 dbwells joined #evergreen
10:01 dbwells joined #evergreen
10:12 Dyrcona @decide Pg10 or Pg9.6
10:12 pinesol Dyrcona: go with Pg9.6
10:12 Dyrcona Nah.
10:14 Dyrcona I'll go with Pg10. After all, libpq has been updated to be compatible with Pg13.
12:02 jihpringle joined #evergreen
12:19 Dyrcona joined #evergreen
12:22 sandbergja joined #evergreen
13:24 Bmagic Dyrcona: PG10 in production? yeah?
13:26 Dyrcona Bmagic: No. A development VM. Sticking with 9.6 in production for now.
13:26 Bmagic right on
13:26 Dyrcona csharp has plans for Pg10 in production.
13:26 Dyrcona I do test on Pg12 and I've found performance to be uneven. Some things are faster and others slower.
13:27 Bmagic I'm keen to know more about the prospect of 10. csharp++
13:28 Dyrcona For a small sample, you can read this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ever​green/+bug/1482757/comments/18
13:29 pinesol Launchpad bug 1482757 in Evergreen 3.4 "Loading records with located URIs should not delete and recreate call_numbers" [Low,Confirmed]
13:30 dluch Notice: DIG Meeting will begin in 30 minutes
13:31 Dyrcona Bmagic: Right now, my big decision is nginx proxy or no on my development vm.
13:34 Bmagic Dyrcona: I like your improvement to the sql, eliminating the NOT IN, but instead using left join... null, a handy trick I've been using quite a bit lately. Also, wow on the science
13:35 Bmagic Dyrcona++
13:36 Dyrcona :)
13:39 Dyrcona Yeah, left join with null is indeed handy.
13:52 terranm joined #evergreen
14:00 dluch #startmeeting 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Oct  1 14:00:08 2020 US/Eastern.  The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2020_10_01___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:00 dluch #topic Agenda
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Agenda (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 dluch #info The agenda can be found here:  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20201001-agenda
14:00 dluch Welcome everyone!  Today's meeting will be a little bit of discussion but will mostly be time for collaboration and working on documentation.
14:00 dluch #topic Introductions
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 dluch Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent.
14:01 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:01 jweston #info jweston is Jennifer Weston, Equinox
14:03 lstratton joined #evergreen
14:04 abneiman #info abneiman is Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox, apologies for tardiness
14:04 dluch No worries.
14:05 dluch It's going to be a pretty fast meeting if it's just the three of us!
14:05 dluch #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:05 dluch #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:05 dluch #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:05 jweston dluch: the power of 3 is with us
14:05 dluch We are going to do some quick business items...
14:05 dluch #topic Business
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Business (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:06 dluch jweston: for sure! :-)
14:06 dluch #info Check-in
14:06 dluch How is everyone doing?
14:06 dluch How are things where you are?
14:06 dluch Have you all had more effects from the tropical storms etc?
14:07 jweston nothing extreme-weather like to report so that's good
14:07 abneiman The local health department just shut down a Christian School for concealing COVID cases, so, that's .... special. Otherwise OK.
14:07 dluch jweston: that is good
14:07 dluch abneiman: WOW.
14:07 abneiman right?
14:08 dluch Glad other things are okay, though.
14:08 abneiman how are things where you are dluch?
14:09 dluch Doing okay here, too. Weather is turning gorgeous - October is the best! Still working at home, and presently quarentined with my husband (though I'm almost positive we have colds and not COVID)
14:10 abneiman :( I hope so!
14:10 dluch Thanks! He's the one with the cough, and neither of us has fevers, but his doctor wanted us to wait until Saturday to be tested (??)
14:11 dluch *shurugs*
14:11 jweston dluch: hoping your colds, and waiting to get tested, are all over soon so you can enjoy the beautiful October
14:11 dluch Thank you! Me, too! :-)
14:11 dluch #info Evergreen Hack-a-Way, Oct. 26-28
14:12 dluch At the last DIG meeting, we decided that we would focus on 3.6 documentation at the Hack-a-Way.
14:12 dluch I assume you both are attending?
14:12 abneiman yes!
14:12 jweston I'll be there
14:12 dluch Me, too!
14:12 dluch For anyone looking at the logs later: Of course, you can work on 3.6 (or any other) documentation even if you aren't participating in the Hack-a-Way
14:13 dluch But we hope you are. :-)
14:13 jweston was just at hack-a-way planning earlier -- do we want any specific "presentation" time or just open room sessions for drop in work
14:13 dluch #info We will catch up on most action items and other business at the next DIG meeting
14:13 dluch Oh, good question.
14:14 dluch I think just open room sessions. Unless we think we should present about Antora again?
14:15 dluch (or will this fall under what you're going to talk about in a minute, abneiman?)
14:15 abneiman It might not hurt to do a quick crash course about the changes that docs writers will need to incorporate due to Antora
14:15 abneiman there's not many but there are a couple gotchas, and the file tree is different
14:15 dluch Sounds fine
14:15 jweston +1 to scheduling quick crash course
14:16 abneiman which, I still need to update the wiki on that stuff like I said I would so if you want to toss me an action item for accountability's sake, I will take that :)
14:16 dluch Is that something one of us (aka, one of you) wants to do, or should I ask Bmagic or gcharlton?
14:17 dluch #action abneiman will update the wiki with new Antora info
14:17 dluch :-)
14:17 abneiman I think a dynamic duo of a DIG person plus a tech person would be good
14:17 jweston agreed
14:17 abneiman IMO Bmagic makes more sense since he's been heavily invovled with it but I"m not going to voluntell him :)
14:17 dluch Sounds good to me!
14:18 dluch Eh, I'll voluntell him. But also ask. ;-)
14:18 jweston Bmagic did suggest Antora docs as a hack-a-way agenda item, so we can consider he already volunteered :)
14:18 abneiman dluch++
14:18 dluch Oh, excellent
14:18 jweston never hurts to remind him
14:18 abneiman I think for hackaway focusing on the practicalities is probably best
14:19 dluch The "hows" for working in Antora?
14:19 abneiman like, the headings changes; xref changes; directory moves; etc
14:19 abneiman yeah
14:19 dluch Yes, I agree
14:19 abneiman just, "things you as a writer of docs should know"
14:19 abneiman it's not VERY different but it's different enough
14:19 jweston +1 to focusing on practicalities
14:20 dluch Yep.
14:20 dluch So, abneiman, would you like to be the DIG person?
14:20 abneiman sure, clearly I'm already up to my elbows in it :)
14:21 jweston abneiman++
14:21 dluch Lol. That's what I thought. :-D But I wanted to give you the option.
14:21 dluch abneiman++
14:21 dluch Good! So we're all set for the Hack-a-Way, unless there's anything else?
14:21 abneiman I'll probably pick sandbergja 's brain a little bit as well. IIRC she was planning to attend hackaway as well.
14:21 jweston I can update the planning committee if you would like
14:22 dluch Sweet. Thank you both.
14:22 abneiman jweston++
14:22 dluch abneiman++ jweston++
14:22 dluch Okay, so, sliding right into
14:22 dluch #info Antora update
14:22 dluch abneiman: What do you have for us?
14:23 abneiman #info on 9/8/20 gmcharlt merged Bmagic 's Antora branch to master
14:24 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Indiana
14:24 rfrasur reading backward
14:24 abneiman #info in a day or so gmcharlt will update the main docs page to point to the new files
14:25 rfrasur abneiman, the wiki docs page?
14:25 abneiman so, we are live & rolling with Antora; and as promised, I dumped a whole pile of new docs into the repo that I had been hanging on to :) so, yay new chapter for DIG! gmcharlt++ Bmagic++ everyone_else++
14:25 abneiman that's my update
14:25 dluch Woohoo!
14:25 abneiman rfrasur: the Docs homepage - https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/
14:25 jweston Hooray!
14:25 dluch abneiman++
14:26 jweston abneiman++
14:26 rfrasur Okay, and I'm sorry to ask stuff that's likely been covered.  Is that going to include docs for 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5?
14:26 dluch gmcharlt++ Bmagic++ remingtron++ everyone_else++ indeed!
14:27 dluch Nope. We decided not to backport.
14:27 abneiman rfrasur: just 3.6 and forward; Jane, Debbie, and I met and agreed that the burden of backporting was too onerous
14:27 rfrasur Okay.  Fair.
14:27 dluch Yes, what abneiman said. :-)
14:28 dluch rfrasur: other questions?
14:28 rfrasur Nope
14:28 rfrasur Thanks
14:29 dluch Great!
14:29 dluch #info DIG report at Devs meeting
14:29 dluch Several meetings ago, csharp said he'd add a recurring spot for a documentation update on the Devs meeting agenda.
14:29 dluch After some Antora confusion, we were feeling like we needed to keep them in the loop better about what DIG was working on.
14:29 dluch I completely forgot about it, but saw the placeholder for us on the agenda for next Tuesday's meeting.
14:30 dluch What are the most important DIG things to report about?
14:30 dluch Antora, 3.6, experimental/not experimental anymore catalog docs?
14:30 abneiman dluch: I think the backporting decision should be communicated
14:30 dluch Just Antora?
14:30 jweston everything Antora-related abneiman just said
14:30 dluch abneiman: Good idea
14:31 dluch jweston: also sounds good
14:31 abneiman dluch: and also just a recommendation that if they write new features and have docs for them, we will happily take those and adocify them and commit them :)
14:31 jihpringle #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka)
14:32 abneiman recommendation-slash-request
14:32 dluch abneiman: lol. Sounds good, too.
14:32 dluch Hi, jihpringle!
14:33 jihpringle hi all, apologies for the lateness I got double booked
14:33 dluch No worries
14:33 jweston +1 to recommending/requesting new feature docs and happily responding
14:34 dluch I am happy to give the update, but would anyone else like to volunteer? I'm also happy to let someone else, if you're excited about it. :-)
14:34 jweston dluch++ you'll be great!
14:35 abneiman dluch++ definitely
14:36 dluch Okay, so all the Antora stuff abneiman mentioned, the no backporting decision, and recommendation-slash-request to give us docs they have for new features they've written
14:36 JBruchPaILS joined #evergreen
14:36 dluch Did I miss anything?
14:36 abneiman sounds good
14:36 jweston and we'll be at hack-a-way
14:36 dluch Yes. hack-a-way! Got it
14:37 dluch Okay!
14:37 dluch #info Anything else pressing?
14:37 dluch Thanks, everyone!
14:37 dluch Today's meeting is intended to be for collaboration/working time, so let's move on to that!
14:38 dluch (Even though we only have 20 minutes left, lol)
14:38 dluch #topic Collaboration time
14:38 Topic for #evergreen is now Collaboration time (Meeting topic: 2020-10-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:38 dluch What is everyone planning to work on today?  Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other.  If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary.
14:39 dluch I put a list of ideas on the agenda, but I assume everyone that's here today probably knows stuff they want to work on.
14:39 abneiman So, when gmcharlt did a build test with my giant-pile-o-docs, the build generated some errors in a couple adocs. I was going to look at those, but I was hoping there is someone here who can help me better understand "callout" syntax in adoc, because that's where several of the issues are.
14:40 abneiman *errors in existing adocs, not errors in my new adocs (phew)
14:40 abneiman anyway, I'm not familiar with the callout syntax and how it's supposed to work
14:41 dluch Hmm, I'm not either
14:41 abneiman and asciidoc cheat sheet has let me down for once :*( so I figured before I did deeper Googling, I would ask if anyone here has used that
14:42 jweston I'm no help there but hooray for abneiman++ generating pile-o-docs
14:43 abneiman It looks like it's used in docs code blocks - you have a block of code, and use <!-- <1> --> as a comment line, and then after the code block, there's a list: 1. Here's where you put XYZ
14:43 abneiman anyway it looks normal (to me) on the Antora-generated pages so I'm not sure why it threw an error
14:43 dluch I asked Bmagic to come see.
14:43 Bmagic sorry, wasn't looking at this window
14:43 * Bmagic reads up
14:44 abneiman the specific error is "asciidoctor: WARNING: receipt_template_editor.adoc: line 208: no callout found for <1>"
14:44 abneiman which refers to this: https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/prod/docs/lat​est/admin/receipt_template_editor.html#_subtotals
14:45 abneiman line 208 specifically is "<1> This line sets the variable."
14:46 Bmagic when did you get the error?
14:47 abneiman build test
14:47 gmcharlt joined #evergreen
14:47 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org | Can't speak? Make sure your nickname is registered and that you are identified to freenode services: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
14:48 Bmagic the error would have occured in the old docs (because the error is not from antora, but from asciidoctor)
14:48 abneiman yeah
14:48 abneiman but I was just going to fix the file, if anyone knew how to fix it
14:48 Bmagic The build throws lots* of those types of issues during build
14:48 abneiman since it doesn't actually BREAK anything it's not a big deal, just housekeeping
14:48 Bmagic I see, well, it's probably going to be a bit of trial and error
14:49 abneiman oh well in that case I may just let it lie, since, again, no breaking
14:49 * Bmagic opening the source adoc file
14:49 Bmagic I agree, it would be really nice if those errors were taken care of
14:49 abneiman but! If anyone has any brilliant ideas about that please let me know. The other errors are pretty clear with clear fixes so I'll work on those
14:50 abneiman though, while you're here Bmagic, I have another docs question for you - how often does the docs site rebuild from master?
14:51 Bmagic as far as I know, it's not automated
14:51 abneiman ah
14:51 Bmagic in fact, last I checked, the antora doc's weren't linked anywhere official
14:51 jeff First thing I'd try is to give the source block a syntax. The <!-- <1> --> isn't being recognized as a callout. I you prefixed [source,html] or something before the code block it might recognize it.
14:51 abneiman so what would be the process there? CAN it be automated?
14:51 abneiman jeff++ I will try that
14:51 abneiman Bmagic no, they are not linked anywhere Official yet, but they're getting ready to be
14:52 dluch Bmagic: that's coming very soon (see abneiman's report above)
14:52 Bmagic jeff: yep, that's what I was thinking... but I wanted to know what sort of "source" was preceeding the block
14:52 Bmagic in that case, should we use a different published link other than https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/prod/ ?
14:53 Bmagic We can roll with the "prod" for "production" docs, leaving us room for "/dev" or whatever if we want to stage some doc experiments
14:53 abneiman Bmagic my understanding was that the docs.evergreen-ils.org URL was going to be updated to point at whta is now living on eg-docs?
14:55 dluch That's what I thought, too
14:55 Bmagic ditching what we see here now:  https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/ ?
14:57 Bmagic The links on the main website that take the public to: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/  -> should be updated to https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/   .... and then from there, a link to the "current docs" that points to: https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/prod
14:57 abneiman_ joined #evergreen
14:57 abneiman_ right, I feel like IRC booted me at the end of last DIG meeting too
14:57 dluch weird
14:58 miker joined #evergreen
14:58 abneiman_ anyway, Bmagic, I will double check with gmcharlt but I thought the docs.evergreen-ils.org URL was going to be updated to point to the new Antora-generated docs site
14:58 nfBurton joined #evergreen
14:58 Bmagic jeff abneiman: confirmed, the source code for that adoc does not specifically call out any* source for it to interpret. The fix should* be adding this line above the "----" line "[souce,html]"
14:59 abneiman joined #evergreen
14:59 abneiman_ jeff++ thanks!
15:00 jweston joined #evergreen
15:00 dluch We are at time.  Thanks for all the great work!  Feel free to keep going, though.
15:00 dluch The next meeting will be November 5. Same time, same place. Business meeting first then collaboration time (if there's time).
15:00 phasefx joined #evergreen
15:00 dluch Please continue using the email list and/or Launchpad for questions and other things that come up in between meetings.
15:00 abneiman dluch++
15:00 dluch Thanks for coming!
15:00 dluch #endmeeting
15:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org | Can't speak? Make sure your nickname is registered and that you are identified to freenode services: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
15:00 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 15:00:49 2020 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:00 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-10-01-14.00.html
15:00 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-10-01-14.00.txt
15:00 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2020/evergreen.2020-10-01-14.00.log.html
15:00 gmcharlt abneiman_: Bmagic: intention is to use docs.evergreen-ils.org
15:01 jeff gmcharlt: Will all of the existing (deeper than /) URLs break?
15:02 jeff (apologies if I've asked that before -- just got a sense of deja vu as I asked.)
15:02 gmcharlt jeff: no; I'll be working tomorrow to ensure that everythings staged so that existing URLs don't break
15:02 jeff gmcharlt++ gmcharlt++
15:02 Bmagic gmcharlt: sounds good to me. I assume that the contents that we see at "https://eg-docs.georgialibraries.org/"  "Evergreen 3.2 Manuals", etc. Will the THE main page. Then the antora stuff linked from there?
15:03 gmcharlt Bmagic: yeah, at least to start, though I could certainly imagine the Antora templates ultimately covering the main index page as well
15:03 gmcharlt but one step at a time
15:04 Bmagic greed
15:04 Bmagic a.$1
15:09 jihpringle joined #evergreen
15:13 Dyrcona Is it me, or are the steps to edit the Apache ports for a proxy missing from the README?
15:17 Bmagic check the OpenSRF docs
15:18 Dyrcona Uh huh.....
15:19 Bmagic http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/in​stall/OpenSRF/README_3_2_1.html#_optional​_using_a_web_proxy_apache_2_4_and_above
15:19 Bmagic not it?
15:21 Dyrcona That's it, but seems to me that it ought to be in the Evergreen README, since that is where the bulk of the Apache config changes are made. That said, we should probably just merge OpenSRF into Evergreen at this point.
15:22 Bmagic I agree. It is confusing, but like everything else, I got used to it.
15:22 Bmagic I think this sort of thing is a sore spot for new Evergreen adopters
15:24 Dyrcona Yeah.
15:31 Dyrcona Heh. After all of that, I missed changing the SSL cert config lines. :)
15:35 Dyrcona And, it works.
15:36 Dyrcona It has been a while since I setup a virtual machine from scratch, about 6 months, maybe more.
15:37 JBruchPaILS left #evergreen
15:49 mantis1 left #evergreen
17:09 mmorgan left #evergreen
17:10 rjackson_isl_hom joined #evergreen
17:37 rjackson_isl_hom joined #evergreen
17:57 sandbergja joined #evergreen
18:01 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
18:02 sandbergja joined #evergreen
18:27 gmcharlt https://evergreen-ils.org/r​elease-3-6-beta2-available/
19:57 dickreckard joined #evergreen
20:05 gmcharlt joined #evergreen
23:49 gmcharlt joined #evergreen

| Channels | #evergreen index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary | Join Webchat