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06:01 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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12:28 Dyrcona git++
12:32 Dyrcona BTW, if anyone needs it, Ubuntu Bionic (18.04) installation support backports cleanly to rel_3_2: https://pastebin.com/xZZCMkxQ
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13:09 Dyrcona Hm... Not able to register a user with ejabberd on Ubuntu 18.04, and it's not the usual crash. I get a log of erlang spew.
13:13 Dyrcona Failed to create cookie file '/home/opensrf/.erlang.cookie': eacces
13:14 Dyrcona All right, for the logs I was doing sudo -u ejabberd ejabberdctl ...
13:14 Dyrcona This works: sudo ejabberdctl ...
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13:21 csharp ok, seeing an error on this sub: https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;​a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Appl​ication/Cat/BibCommon.pm;h=c461dba2acb586108868​68ff87d2dbbc04160bbc;hb=refs/heads/master#l385
13:21 csharp (title_is_empty)
13:22 csharp gets called here with the $auth and bib ID: https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Everg​reen.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/perlmod​s/lib/OpenILS/Application/Cat.pm#l1499
13:22 csharp then complains at "return 0 unless $$cnlist[0] == $vol_id; # attached volume is not the context vol." because $vol_id is undefined
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13:23 csharp wait - I guess that's just a warning
13:23 csharp ignore me - I'll come back to it if I need to
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13:32 annagoben TEP/EOB meeting will start in about 30 minutes.
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13:56 annagoben The EOB/TEP board meeting will start in a couple of minutes.
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14:00 annagoben #startmeeting EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Mar 19 14:00:30 2020 US/Eastern.  The chair is annagoben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to 'eob_evergreen_project_board_meeting_for_2020​_03_19__agenda_https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org​_doku_php_id_governance_minutes_2020_03_19'
14:00 annagoben #topic Roll Call
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:00 annagoben Use the #info command to provide name and affiliation
14:00 annagoben #info agoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana
14:01 tlittle #info tlittle = Tiffany Little, PINES
14:01 nfBurton #info cburton = Chris Burton, Niagara Falls Public Library
14:01 rhamby #info rhamby = Rogan Hamby, Equinox
14:01 annagoben #info annagoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana
14:01 JBoyer #info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, EOLI
14:02 annagoben Waiting on a quorum...
14:02 * rfrasur is lurking for informational purposes only.
14:02 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, EOLI
14:02 terranm #info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES
14:02 rhamby rfrasur - you can still declare yourself attneding as a lurker :)
14:03 rfrasur oh, okay
14:03 nfBurton #info nfburton = Chris Burton, Niagara Falls Public Library
14:03 rfrasur #info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana, ECDI, lurker
14:03 annagoben Well, it's a minimum, but given how busy we all are, I'll move on.
14:03 annagoben #topic Approval of Minutes
14:03 Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:03 annagoben #info Minutes from 2020-01-16 meeting: https://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-02-20-14.00.html
14:03 annagoben Corrections, updates, suggestions?
14:04 tlittle None here
14:04 annagoben #startvote Accept minutes from 2020-02-20? yes, no
14:04 pinesol Begin voting on: Accept minutes from 2020-02-20? Valid vote options are yes, no.
14:04 pinesol Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:04 gmcharlt #vote yes
14:04 annagoben #vote yes
14:04 nfBurton #vote yes
14:04 tlittle #vote yes
14:04 JBoyer #vote yes
14:04 annagoben #endvote
14:04 pinesol Voted on "Accept minutes from 2020-02-20?" Results are
14:04 pinesol yes (5): annagoben, JBoyer, gmcharlt, nfBurton, tlittle
14:04 annagoben #topic Chair Report
14:04 Topic for #evergreen is now Chair Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:05 annagoben Nothing specific to report here.  Bits and pieces later in the meeting.
14:05 annagoben #topic Treasurer's Financial Report
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
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14:06 gmcharlt #info As is known, we were able to cancel the venue contract and the AV contract for the 2020 conference without financial penalty
14:06 gmcharlt #info Preliminary information is that we'll owe about $800 to the Georgia University System Board of Regents for expenses incurred while the conference was been organized
14:07 gmcharlt they will invoice us, though it may be some time before they prepare it
14:07 gmcharlt so, we were very fortunate in terms of dodging a financial bullet
14:07 annagoben Amazingly so.
14:08 gmcharlt and I want to acknowledge both the efforts of the organizing committees and those at TEP/EOB, BOR, and MOBIUS who worked together to make a necessary decision quickly and effectively
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14:08 gmcharlt we were lucky that the hotel was willing to allow the cancellation right away
14:08 gmcharlt but I also think that we collectively put together a very strong argument in case the hotel had not been so willing
14:09 * csharp appears late
14:09 gmcharlt #info A draft of the grant report due to SFC is availabe for review here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEJaLN​GFNzZPjVFVD2OOOhfAjP41ALVnSBGN6rVQssI/edit
14:09 csharp sorry :-9
14:09 gmcharlt and, pending comment, propose to send it next week
14:09 gmcharlt #info We've received the 1099 from the SFC for the grant
14:09 annagoben Deadline for comments?
14:10 gmcharlt let's say EOB on Monday, 3/23
14:10 annagoben ++
14:10 csharp 1+
14:10 csharp +1, even
14:11 gmcharlt #info I've been working with annagoben on getting revised numbers put together for our 1023 filing. I got derailed by a couple things and am waiting an answer from MOBIUS on a piece of it, but hope to have that wrapped up early next week
14:12 gmcharlt I think the main financial uncertainty at this point would be around the 2021 conference
14:13 gmcharlt (a) whether there is reason to believe that we can expect lingering effects from the pandemic for event organizers
14:13 gmcharlt and (b) verifying the numbers in light of the fact that even if we were to hold an online version of the 2020 conference, we won't likely get much revenue from such a thing
14:14 gmcharlt so, that's it for me
14:14 annagoben Thanks!  gmcharlt++
14:14 annagoben #topic SFC Updates
14:14 Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:14 annagoben We'll be chatting about the trademark later.  Anything else to address at this point?
14:15 annagoben #topic Release Manager Update
14:15 Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager Update (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:16 annagoben I know this is supposed to be Bug Squash week, any updates there either?
14:17 csharp 3.5-beta is out and needs to be tested anywhere people can
14:17 annagoben ++  Hopefully some of the downtime with libraries being closed will help with that.
14:17 annagoben #topic 2020 Conference Committee
14:17 Topic for #evergreen is now 2020 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:17 csharp not much movement on bug squashing since everyone is focused on transitions from open to closed/kinda closed
14:17 annagoben #info The 2020 conference was cancelled with minimal fiscal fallout in the way of liabilities.
14:17 annagoben I'd like to thank the planning committee at PINES, the standing committee. MOBIUS, and the rest of the board for their swift and careful response to the effects of the pandemic on the conference planning.  I am disappointed that we won't be able to hold a conference this year, but am proud that we have been able to address the situation for our base.
14:18 annagoben I know the community has been thoroughly notified.  Does the committee have any further follow-ups for us at this point?
14:19 terranm The BOR expects to have refunds issued within 45 days (if no further restrictions go into effect)
14:19 csharp (<-- not on the committee, but) there is whispering of trying to organize something virtual maybe after things hopefully calm down?
14:19 terranm Possibly - I'm not in a state to think about it clearly right now
14:19 csharp no one is!
14:20 annagoben I like the idea of a virtual conference in a few months once things calm down a bit.  We might actually be able to realize a slightly higher profit margin depending on rates charged.
14:20 rfrasur terranm++
14:20 csharp terranm++
14:20 annagoben terranm++
14:20 * csharp knows how hard terranm and tlittle and others on our end worked on this
14:21 JBoyer terranm++
14:21 annagoben I can only imagine, but it's very, very much appreciated.
14:21 gmcharlt terranm++
14:21 tlittle terranm++ all the way!
14:21 terranm I still feel bad about it, but thank you!
14:21 nfBurton terranm++
14:22 abneiman from the peanut gallery, I'm happy to assist with organizing a virtual conference when it's time for that
14:22 terranm abneiman++
14:22 tlittle abneiman++
14:22 rfrasur same
14:22 abneiman mostly because I want it to happen :)
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14:22 terranm PINES should be able to offer up Zoom and Google services.
14:22 annagoben I'm sure there will be lots of support throughout the community!
14:23 annagoben Let us know when you're ready to start discussing plans!
14:24 annagoben #topic 2021 Conference Committee
14:24 Topic for #evergreen is now 2021 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:24 annagoben #info No updates.
14:24 annagoben As gmcharlt noted, we'll have to keep an eye on conditions.
14:24 annagoben But we'll hope for the best in the meantime.
14:24 annagoben Anyone else have anything on the 2021 conference?
14:24 terranm Yes, we should all know more a month from now.
14:25 tlittle I have a question
14:25 annagoben ?
14:25 tlittle And it may be too far in the future to think about, but we were in a sticky situation because the insurance that MOBIUS got for the conference didn't include "pandemic coverage." I think I saw Donna/Debbie was looking into that for 2021--do we know if that's the case?
14:26 annagoben I have not heard a follow-up on that as yet.
14:26 annagoben gmcharlt, you?
14:26 gmcharlt not yet
14:26 annagoben It's definitely on the list though
14:26 terranm It's definitely a good idea knowing what we know now.
14:26 gmcharlt I'd certainly be in favor of getting such a rider, of course, though I wonder if they're available at any price at the moment:/
14:26 annagoben Depends on what that clause costs too.
14:27 tlittle Okay. Obviously that's a bit in the future, but I think we're in uncharted territory now so I wanted to make sure that it was on the radar
14:27 tlittle Definitely
14:27 annagoben Ok, moving along.
14:27 annagoben #topic Outreach Committee
14:27 annagoben #info Emailed report here: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipe​rmail/board/2020-March/000125.html
14:27 Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:27 rhamby I'm available for quesitons but I think it's self explanatory at this point in time.
14:28 annagoben rhamby++
14:28 rhamby questions even :)
14:28 annagoben I'm sure we'll have great need of the committee if we're able to move forward with the virtual event!
14:28 rhamby We don't want to pass on doing something at ALA but obviously the situation is ... fluid.
14:29 rhamby Yes, and we're perfectly glad to help organize it.
14:29 terranm rhamby++
14:29 annagoben Thanks!
14:29 annagoben #topic Unfinished Business: NPF Status - 1023 - Submission status
14:29 Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: NPF Status - 1023 - Submission status (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:29 annagoben #info Submission has been held up by new form requirements and some fiscal clarifications.
14:30 annagoben We're getting close again.  Very bummed that we missed the previous form window, but still hope to have it in this month
14:30 annagoben Just waiting on info from MOBIUS at this point.
14:31 annagoben Any questions?
14:32 annagoben #topic Unfinished Business: 2020 Election
14:32 Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: 2020 Election (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:32 annagoben jvwoolf?
14:33 jvwoolf Election is proceeding nicely with Opavote.
14:33 annagoben Great! jvwoolf++
14:33 jvwoolf Will send out a reminder to the few registered voters who haven't voted yet later today
14:34 annagoben How many registered?
14:34 jvwoolf 61
14:34 annagoben ++
14:34 annagoben #topic New Business: Trademark renewal
14:34 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: Trademark renewal (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:34 annagoben #info SFC has inquired about whether or not to renew the trademark on our behalf.
14:34 annagoben I'm in favor of that since the 1023 has been delayed.  Any discussion?
14:35 gmcharlt I'm in favor as well
14:35 csharp +1 to renewing with them
14:35 tlittle I agree
14:35 jvwoolf +1
14:35 JBoyer Seems reasonable to me
14:35 nfBurton agreed
14:35 annagoben Ok, will respond requesting they move forward then.
14:36 annagoben #topic Next meeting
14:36 Topic for #evergreen is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-03-19, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-03-19)
14:36 annagoben #info Our next meeting will be on April 16, 2020.
14:36 annagoben Any other announcements before I close the meeting?
14:36 csharp may I suggest we do that over some sort of teleconferencing medium?
14:37 csharp since we're missing the f2f conference meeting?
14:37 csharp allows for the handoff to the newer members to go more smoothly IMO
14:37 annagoben I'm happy with that.  I can offer up Microsoft or Zoom teleconference options.
14:38 tlittle I think that's a good idea. We (PINES) have Zoom and Google to offer, whatever is best.
14:38 gmcharlt +1
14:38 gmcharlt and EOLI can offer GoToMeeting
14:38 csharp options++
14:38 gmcharlt so I think we've covered jsut about every major videoconference provider :)
14:38 annagoben LOL, I think we have all the teleconference options there
14:38 tlittle :D
14:39 csharp whatever we use needs to be able to record the session into a file we can upload to the EG site if possible
14:39 annagoben We'll hash it out on list then which service to use.  I think they all offer a recording option, which is helpful.
14:39 csharp cool
14:39 annagoben Alright...
14:39 annagoben #endmeeting
14:39 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org | Can't speak? Make sure your nickname is registered and that you are identified to freenode services: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
14:39 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 14:39:53 2020 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:39 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-03-19-14.00.html
14:39 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-03-19-14.00.txt
14:39 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2020/evergreen.2020-03-19-14.00.log.html
14:39 annagoben Stay well everyone!!!!
14:40 csharp annagoben++
14:40 tlittle annagoben++
14:40 JBoyer annagoben++
14:40 gmcharlt annagoben++
14:40 terranm health++ annagoben++
14:40 jvwoolf annagoben++
14:40 jvwoolf Sorry for being late!
14:41 annagoben ...now back to your unscheduled pandemic responding...
14:41 terranm :)
14:42 csharp pandemic--
14:42 nfBurton annagoben++
14:42 annagoben (IN public schools were closed by EO thru May 1 today; so lots of new evaluaiton being done here today.)
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14:55 terranm Georgia schools are already switched to online classes as of this week
14:56 Dyrcona My wife teaches in New Hampshire and they're going to online classes next week, IIRC.
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15:34 annagoben There's a lot of elearning here, yeah, but looks more and more likely there will be no more in-person classes at the schools for the 2019/20 school year.
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15:44 Dyrcona annagoben: That's what I'm thinking will happen here, too.
15:56 Bmagic which OpenSRF services creates DB connections? cstore? pcrud?
15:58 berick Bmagic: cstore, pcrud, storage, rstore, qstore
15:59 berick s/rstore/reporter-store/
15:59 Bmagic berick: so I need to add all those up (max_children) to get a theoretical max DB connection soak?
16:00 berick Bmagic: yep
16:00 Bmagic berick++
16:06 Dyrcona Bmagic: Plus a few extra for psql connections. We never get close to using all of our database connections, btw.
16:07 Bmagic cstore: 125 , pcrud: 75 , reporter-store: 10 , storage: 60 , qstore: 15 , total 285... 5 bricks = 1425 theoretical connections
16:08 Bmagic looking at current utilization, I can guess that cstore can come down to more like 50. pcrud on the other hand is bumping up to it's max
16:17 Dyrcona Bmagic: I've found that cstore utilization can peak when a big library checks their holds pull list or holds shelf view.
16:17 Dyrcona pcrud also fluctuates a lot.
16:18 Dyrcona And right now is probably not a good time to look at current utilization. It may be lower than normal given the circumstances.
16:18 Bmagic true
16:19 Dyrcona I'm going to sign out, probably for the rest of the day. Good luck!
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