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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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JBoyer |
berick, csharp, I know the beta just dropped but In your opinions is there still time to get the branch from bug 1849683 in to 3.5? It's a small permissions followup to a new feature in 3.5 but it didn't get a signoff until today. |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1849683 in Evergreen "CSS From Library Setting Needs to have permissions " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849683 |
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dbwells |
JBoyer: Feels like a bugfix to me, but I understand the caution since it touches the DB. Also, I just noted on the bug that the seed file INSERT is missing the translation wrappers for the new strings, so we should get that squared away first. |
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JBoyer |
Ah, good catch, I'll throw on a supplemental patch for that. |
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JBoyer |
dbwells++ |
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StomproJ |
Anyone here use Hoopla and know what they want for SSH -> SIP2 connections? The staff member I'm working with there keeps using SSL and SSH interchangably, and cannot tell me what they require. |
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StomproJ |
I'm wondering if they use SSH like a pipe for the sip2 connection, so I need to setup an SSH user that just runs netcat to connect to the local sip port? They don't seem to want to use SSH port forwarding. |
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nfBurton |
You should be able to send SIP to 6001 without SSH? |
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nfBurton |
We have hoopla set up just with SIP2 no SSH requirement |
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nfBurton |
Or are you loading records in? |
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mmorgan |
I have to reset some autorenewal action trigger events to pending that are in various states due to a trigger meltdown (which is another story). |
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mmorgan |
I'm wondering what to do about the Autorenewnotify events. Set those to pending as well? Will the reset autorenewal triggers generate new ones? |
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mantis1 |
Oddball question: can the web client be accessed and used on an iPad? |
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mantis1 |
I imagine so but I don't have one in the office at the moment to test that out. |
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gmcharlt |
berick++ |
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gmcharlt |
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mmorgan |
mantis1: Yes, it can, though some screens may not display well on an iPad. |
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nfBurton |
Until the new OPAC gets added ;) |
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mantis1 |
Thank you both very much! |
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csharp |
mantis1: see bug 1840950 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1840950 in Evergreen "Patron expiration date & iPads" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1840950 |
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csharp |
(same issue exists on Safari on MacOS too) |
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mantis1 |
Thank you all |
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mantis1 |
csharp++ |
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mantis1 |
mmorgan++ |
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mantis1 |
gmcharlt++ |
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JBoyer |
signoff branch for bug 1849683 has an improved supplement pushed to bring it more in line with the inserts/deletes around it. |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1849683 in Evergreen "CSS From Library Setting Needs to have permissions " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1849683 |
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Dyrcona |
apple-- |
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StomproJ |
nfBurton, sip doesn't include any encryption, so shouldn't be used without running it through stunnel or ssh. |
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* StomproJ |
too slow, nfBurton is gone :-( |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Sam Link] LP1865951: Fixes to consistency in two files, creating uniform capitalization and use of ellipses - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f60f056> |
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StomproJ |
mmorgan, I just got excited that the Content Cafe issue was fixed, 8 requests in a row returned cover art, but then started failing again. |
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mmorgan |
StomproJ: Boo. Our newsletters are still showing revolving image/no image on reload. Response from support said they are working on it. |
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StomproJ |
nfBurton, sip doesn't include any encryption, so shouldn't be used without running it through stunnel or ssh. |
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nfBurton |
I see.... |
| 11:28 |
mmorgan |
What does action_trigger.event.update_process refer to? |
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berick |
mmorgan: the process ID of the Perl process that last updated the event |
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berick |
primarily for debugging |
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Dyrcona |
mmorgan: It's unimportant if this is related to resetting the autorenewal events that you mentioned earlier. |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona: I was going to reset them, but noticed some of them were still changing state in small bursts. |
| 11:36 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan: Oh, then leave them alone. The process is probably still running. You can check that on the server that runs the a/t runner with something like: ps -o etime $pid |
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Dyrcona |
Where $pid is the value of action_trigger.event.update_process |
| 11:37 |
mmorgan |
So if the process is not still running, does that mean the trigger is stuck and will need to be reset? |
| 11:37 |
Dyrcona |
I have found that it can take a while when you have thousands of them to get through. Tuesdays after long weekends are the worst. |
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mmorgan |
s/trigger/event |
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Dyrcona |
Not necessarily. |
| 11:38 |
Dyrcona |
Do you use a special granularity for autorenewals? |
| 11:38 |
mmorgan |
Yes. |
| 11:39 |
Dyrcona |
Try "pgrep -af actiron_trigger" on the machine that runs a/t events. If there's one for your granularity, it is at least, still trying. |
| 11:40 |
Dyrcona |
I ran into issues with patrons who have lots of items to renew ovetraking max_stanza_size, so I had to adjust max_stanza_size higher. I also had some queries to figure out how many items would be renewed by each event and then only reset the smaller numbers. |
| 11:41 |
Dyrcona |
Unfortunately, this can blow up without taking out the a/t runner, but it does nothing after that. |
| 11:41 |
mmorgan |
It was still running a few minutes ago, but it is not now, so I will reset them, but I still have the question about what to do about the autorenewnotify |
| 11:44 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan: I went through this between Christmas and New Years' and a bit after. You can check the IRC logs between Christmas and Dec. 31. I'll check my random SQL/ticket stuff for any useful queries that I have laying around. |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
You can tell if it is max_stanza issues by looking for JabberDisconnected in the open-ils.trigger stderr log, wherever that ends up in your system, probably in /openils/var/log |
| 11:52 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan: Here's a sql that gets a spreadsheet with a count of autorenewal events by user and state for a given date: https://pastebin.com/aBLB3GnY |
| 11:52 |
Dyrcona |
You can get autorenewal-notify events by changing the event_def. |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona: Thanks, not seeing that error in the logs. |
| 11:53 |
mmorgan |
Right, I'm monitoring the states of the triggers I have Autorenew notify events in various states. |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, the drones often continue working on things after the a/t runner goes away, at least that's how it looks to me. |
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mmorgan |
Just wondering how resetting the autorenewal events themselves will play with existing notify events. |
| 11:54 |
Dyrcona |
Well, if the autorewal events are 'complete' then don't reset them. |
| 11:54 |
Dyrcona |
Is it complete?..... |
| 11:54 |
mmorgan |
No, I'm not touching those. |
| 11:55 |
Dyrcona |
If the autorenewal didn't finish, I don't think the autorenewal notify event was created. |
| 11:55 |
mmorgan |
I have collected, collecting, valid, validating, cleaning... |
| 11:55 |
Dyrcona |
It's still working on them. |
| 11:55 |
Dyrcona |
I find when it's done, I get only collected and complete events. |
| 11:56 |
Dyrcona |
The ones that blow up are stuck in collected because the processing bit dies. |
| 11:57 |
mmorgan |
Well, I had at least as many autorenewnotify events as autorenewal events when the autorenewal events had not finished. Does the notify event get added at the same time as the autorenewal event? |
| 11:57 |
Dyrcona |
I probably have said it better in the logs somewhere between Christmas and early January. |
| 11:57 |
Dyrcona |
The notify event is created by the autorenewal event. I'm not certain at what stage, exactly, and would have to read through the code again. |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
I've had the numbers differ slightly when there were problems. |
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* mmorgan |
will check those logs |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
Usually, they should be the same. |
| 11:58 |
mmorgan |
I don't think they've ever been the same, even when the autorenewals have run flawlessly |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
All you have to do to reset them is set state to pending and run your a/t runner with the correct granularity and --run-pending. |
| 11:59 |
Dyrcona |
I think they should be. Ours usually are the same, IIRC. |
| 11:59 |
mmorgan |
Right, I'm just trying to avoid the possibilty of generating more than one notification for an autorenewal event. |
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Dyrcona |
i've run into this with courtesy notices, too. Often the same patron who has 50+ items out. |
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Dyrcona |
Right. I've not had many issues with the autorenewal itself. It has been the notify events that got stuck for us. |
| 12:01 |
Dyrcona |
What was happening to us was that the template output exceeded the max_stanza_size in ejabberd. |
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mmorgan |
Oh, ok. |
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* mmorgan |
misunderstood, thought the issue you were having was with the autorenewals themselves. |
| 12:02 |
mmorgan |
Don't think we've had specific issues with the autorenewnotify. |
| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
You should be able to delete any autorenewal-notify events that have the same target as any autorenewal events that you want to reset. That should avoid duplicates. |
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mmorgan |
Darn. 2 patrons got duplicate autorenewnotify messages today. At least they both said the same thing ;-) |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, that can happen when messing with the events in the database. I've done it in the past. |
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* mmorgan |
would rather not have to mess with events in the db, would rather they take care of themselves ;-) |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
Well, they usually do, just sometimes they don't. |
| 12:19 |
Dyrcona |
I should check for errors with our evetns. I haven't done so since mid-January. |
| 12:20 |
mmorgan |
Ours used to run smoothly, but started misbehaving occasionally early February. |
| 12:22 |
Dyrcona |
After an upgrade? |
| 12:22 |
mmorgan |
We are suspicious, we upgraded mid January. |
| 12:26 |
Dyrcona |
Are you seeing autorenew events with an "error" state? I think that's normal. |
| 12:27 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: I did see a few of those, but I reset them to pending and they completed. |
| 12:30 |
Dyrcona |
I just leave them. I should take another look, though. |
| 12:31 |
csharp |
so apparently the Safari/iOS date issue is this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4310953/invalid-date-in-safari |
| 12:31 |
Dyrcona |
I think action-trigger is wrong for this. It ought to be a cron job that runs and handles things withoug all of the extra overhead of a/t. |
| 12:31 |
csharp |
where 'YYYY-MM-DD' is not valid but 'YYYY/MM/DD' is :-/ |
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csharp |
(referring to bug 1840950) |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1840950 in Evergreen "Patron expiration date & iPads" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1840950 |
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csharp |
I'm trying to fix this, but all Safari is telling me is "Invalid Date" and I can't see why |
| 12:33 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Because Apple, that's why. |
| 12:33 |
Dyrcona |
Safarit doesn't follow the ECMAScript standard. |
| 12:34 |
berick |
Dyrcona: one thing I'm doing locally for a slew of notification changes is letting A/T handle the event creation w/ NO-OP reactors, then scripting the data processing work to run outside of A/T. |
| 12:35 |
berick |
requires more custom code :/ but much easier to manage and diagnose issues |
| 12:36 |
jeff |
and in the end often less convoluted than some of our pre-A/T notification methods using XML notice data and/or SQL queries and API calls. |
| 12:37 |
Dyrcona |
I just write cron jobs, but we don't really have any local notifications. |
| 12:37 |
Dyrcona |
Too bad we can't just tell Safari user to come back with a standards-compliant browser. |
| 12:38 |
Dyrcona |
Guess we could start using this: http://www.datejs.com/ |
| 12:39 |
Dyrcona |
This is what I dislike web development, 'cause "now, you got a dozen problems." |
| 12:43 |
jeff |
it's okay, though! there's an npm package to help you identify which problem you want to replace your current problem with! |
| 12:43 |
jeff |
and in case you thought i was joking: https://github.com/you-dont-need/You-Dont-Need-Momentjs#eslint-plugin |
| 12:46 |
dbwells |
csharp: I don't think that Date issue is true any more for current Safari. "new Date('2020-02-02')" works fine for me, and as evidenced by birth date displaying alright. I commented on the bug with more details about what I think Safari has issues with now. |
| 12:47 |
dbwells |
It is the lack of a colon in our timezone marking. |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: This could be fixed using the Date(year,month,day) version of the constructor. |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, but "current" is an operative term. Many people do not have "current" Safari. |
| 12:48 |
dbwells |
Well, that bug is from 9 years ago :) |
| 12:48 |
csharp |
dbwells: this is 13.0.5, FYI |
| 12:48 |
Dyrcona |
I thought the problem is just "YYYY-MM-DD" with no time. |
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* csharp |
looks a dbwells's comments |
| 12:49 |
Dyrcona |
Dates are hard, unfortunately. |
| 12:49 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: yeah - just learned a lot of date stuff in Perl for a PINES student card project |
| 12:50 |
csharp |
JS has always given me fits since I don't quite grok the syntax most of the time :-/ |
| 12:50 |
dbwells |
Also, unfortunately, Safari is following the ECMAScript string date standard, which is simplified from ISO 8601. ECMAScript technically requires the colon in timezones; Firefox and Chrome are just being nice :) |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
JS has syntax? But, then again, neither does Perl. :) |
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Dyrcona |
What I'm talking about works on Safari 13.05 on Mac OS X, so I stand corrected. |
| 13:09 |
Dyrcona |
It doess assume the date is midnight UTC, though. |
| 13:10 |
Dyrcona |
Which is reasonable. |
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jeffdavis |
ah, the dubious joys of osrf_control --kill-with-fire |
| 13:31 |
dluch |
30 minute notice: DIG starts at 2 p.m. EST/11 a.m. PST |
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* mmorgan |
forgot to say |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ |
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dluch |
5 minutes to the DIG Meeting! |
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dluch |
#startmeeting 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting |
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pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Mar 5 14:00:14 2020 US/Eastern. The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2020_03_05___documentation_interest_group_meeting' |
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dluch |
#topic Agenda |
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dluch |
#info The agenda can be found here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20200305-agenda |
| 14:00 |
dluch |
Welcome everyone! Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time. |
| 14:00 |
dluch |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
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dluch |
Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent. |
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dluch |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
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jihpringle |
#info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) |
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abneiman |
#info abneiman is Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox |
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cmalm_ |
#info cmalm is Carissa Malmgren, Roanoke Public Library (NTLC) |
| 14:04 |
dluch |
Thank you for coming! We are a small group today, but will be mighty! ;-) If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive. |
| 14:04 |
dluch |
#topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
| 14:04 |
dluch |
#info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs |
| 14:04 |
dluch |
#info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants |
| 14:04 |
dluch |
#topic Old and Ongoing Business |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Old and Ongoing Business (Meeting topic: 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
| 14:05 |
dluch |
#info Previous Action Items |
| 14:05 |
dluch |
How are we doing on these? I think most of the people in them aren't here, but I'll take them in order... |
| 14:05 |
dluch |
#1, sandbergja: video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section? |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
(I don't see her on IRC right now, so we'll move on) |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
#2, I'm also going to skip this one, since we have more on Antora progress later |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
#3, Everyone will test the Antora server and email the DIG list (or IRC) with problems (or suggestions) |
| 14:06 |
dluch |
I know that sandbergja and some of her people did this, and posted to the Launchpad bug. Anyone else? Do we need to keep this as an action item? |
| 14:07 |
abneiman |
I have not tested Antora, but if you are happy with the test outcomes so far we could probably drop the action item |
| 14:08 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:08 |
dluch |
I think they've been good. bmagic and remingtron, what do you think? |
| 14:08 |
dluch |
Hi, Lynn! |
| 14:09 |
dluch |
Okay, well... #4, Everyone, when adding agenda items, please include your name in parenthesis |
| 14:09 |
dluch |
No one added any agenda items except me, lol. |
| 14:09 |
dluch |
Let's all just keep this in mind for future meetings, please. :-) I don't think we need to keep it as an action item. |
| 14:09 |
alynn26 |
lol |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
So, I'm going to keep the other action items for next time... |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
#action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
Ha, I guess that's it. |
| 14:11 |
alynn26 |
hi ya'll |
| 14:11 |
dluch |
#info Update on Documentation server move |
| 14:11 |
dluch |
gmcharlt: how's this going? |
| 14:12 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: stalled at present, but I would like to set a time next week with interested parties, possibly via GTM, to get back on track and ensure that credentials are distributed |
| 14:12 |
gmcharlt |
with Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday afternoon ET being generally the best for me |
| 14:13 |
dluch |
Awesome, sounds good. If I remember correctly, that was going to be remingtron and sandbergja, though I'll be happy to participate, too |
| 14:13 |
alynn26 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:13 |
dluch |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:14 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: I'll send a Doodle to the three of you; feel free to forward as desired |
| 14:14 |
dluch |
Sounds great, thank you! Is there anyone else at the meeting today that would like to be included? |
| 14:14 |
* alynn26 |
raised hand |
| 14:14 |
abneiman |
me, please |
| 14:15 |
dluch |
Great! Thanks, alynn26 and abneiman! |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
noted, thanks |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
alynn26++ |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 14:16 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
Okay, moving on... |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
Well, this might not fly, either, lol |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
#info Antora progress |
| 14:17 |
dluch |
bmagic and remingtron: Where are we with Antora nav? |
| 14:17 |
dluch |
(I'm pretty sure bmagic went to lunch) |
| 14:17 |
dluch |
Anyone know... Did we get things done in time to be included in 3.5? |
| 14:18 |
dluch |
(I'm thinking no, but I haven't read the release notes closely...) |
| 14:18 |
abneiman |
dlu |
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abneiman |
dluch: not that i can tell |
| 14:18 |
dluch |
Okay, thanks |
| 14:19 |
dluch |
What else do we need to be doing for this project going forward? Do we know yet? |
| 14:19 |
abneiman |
there's only one LP item for antora, and it's still open |
| 14:19 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 14:19 |
abneiman |
see remingtron's comment here for next steps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1848524/comments/21 |
| 14:19 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1848524 in Evergreen "wishlist: Antora-ize docs " [Undecided,New] |
| 14:21 |
dluch |
#action everyone will review all of the docs on Antora, looking for broken things and other fixes needed and report on Launchpad |
| 14:21 |
dluch |
Any other old or ongoing business to discuss? |
| 14:21 |
alynn26 |
I'm thinking that if we do not get them in 3.5, we so a big push at the Conference. |
| 14:21 |
dluch |
alynn26: that's an excellent idea |
| 14:23 |
dluch |
Okay, moving on... |
| 14:23 |
dluch |
#topic New Business |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
| 14:23 |
dluch |
#info April and May Meetings |
| 14:23 |
dluch |
Normally, we would have the April meeting on the 2nd and the May meeting on the 7th. April would be a collaboration/working time meeting and May would be a business meeting. But, DIG will also meet at the Evergreen International Conference later in April, and will have a documentation hackfest on pre-conference day. |
| 14:23 |
dluch |
Should we skip April and/or May? |
| 14:24 |
dluch |
It looks like, in past years, we've often had the April meeting, had the hackfest and meeting at conference, and skipped May, but that's not always the case. |
| 14:24 |
dluch |
I have no real preference, so will go with what the group would like. |
| 14:24 |
jihpringle |
do we want to do anything 3.5 related before 3.5.0 is released? |
| 14:27 |
dluch |
We're aiming for the 3.5 release to be before the conference, right? |
| 14:27 |
jihpringle |
I'm not sure if the release date has changed, but it was slated for April 1st |
| 14:27 |
alynn26 |
From what i know it's still slated for April 1st. |
| 14:28 |
* csharp |
confirms April 1st |
| 14:28 |
jihpringle |
there's a bug squashing week planned for the week of March 16th |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
And if we had the April DIG meeting, it would be on the 2nd. But it would be all collaboration time, and we could work on 3.5 docs then, too... |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
csharp++ |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
jihpringle: so we could push on docs during that week? |
| 14:30 |
jihpringle |
possibly??? |
| 14:31 |
abneiman |
dluch: jihpringle: IMO no reason to not include docs work as part of Bug Squashing Week, if people are available/willing |
| 14:31 |
alynn26 |
Yes |
| 14:31 |
dluch |
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. jihpringle++ |
| 14:31 |
alynn26 |
I got a couple of bugs in docs I can push that week. |
| 14:31 |
dluch |
excellent |
| 14:32 |
dluch |
#action DIG will work on 3.5 documentation during Bug Squashing Week, March 16-20 |
| 14:32 |
dluch |
So, also have the April meeting? |
| 14:32 |
jihpringle |
I haven't had a chance to look at the release notes in any depth but I think the biggest changes from a docs perspective will be the angular catalogue which I don't think we've included in the 3.4 docs (after a quick skim) |
| 14:33 |
dluch |
jihpringle: I think you're right |
| 14:33 |
alynn26 |
yes, to the april meeting, and then most likely not the May meeting. |
| 14:33 |
abneiman |
also there's a lot of angular admin ports, so screen shots might need updating |
| 14:33 |
dluch |
abneiman: Yes, that's true! |
| 14:33 |
alynn26 |
screenshots-- |
| 14:33 |
dluch |
Thanks, alynn26. We'll plan on that, then. |
| 14:34 |
jihpringle |
do we need to make a decision about how and when we start including the angular catalogue? |
| 14:35 |
dluch |
Do we wait until it's all done and "standard" or make a special section for the experimental version? |
| 14:35 |
alynn26 |
I think we do. I think a special section for the experimental version with some basic information is needed. |
| 14:35 |
abneiman |
If someone has tuits & the inclination, documenting (at least in part) the experimental version might be a kindness |
| 14:35 |
abneiman |
as long as we're clear that it's still experimental |
| 14:36 |
abneiman |
I can ask CWG next week if they might be able to pitch in on that |
| 14:36 |
alynn26 |
I know we are looking at going to 3.4 this spring with the experimental turned on. |
| 14:36 |
jihpringle |
I agree with having a special section to start including it |
| 14:36 |
alynn26 |
We will start doing some basic documentation in house on it. |
| 14:36 |
dluch |
Agreed. |
| 14:37 |
alynn26 |
CWG++ |
| 14:37 |
jihpringle |
we're thinking about having a library or two pilot it when we move 3.5 in May so we also be starting to document it in house |
| 14:37 |
dluch |
abneiman: thanks for asking CWG! |
| 14:37 |
dluch |
CWG++ indeed |
| 14:37 |
alynn26 |
If they can do some and get it to us in some form, we will translate. |
| 14:38 |
dluch |
Yep |
| 14:38 |
dluch |
I will probably not have time before bug squashing week, but I do want to play around with it more and can also help contribute some |
| 14:42 |
dluch |
#agree We will begin working on documentation for the experimental catalog now |
| 14:42 |
dluch |
#info Conference plans |
| 14:42 |
dluch |
(I forgot to put this one on the agenda) |
| 14:42 |
dluch |
At the January meeting, we talked about docs related programs that are happening at the conference. Usually, at the hackfest, we also have a couple of people who help to guide new folks on getting started (or folks like me, who always forget, lol). Do we have a couple of you willing to do that? morning and/or afternoon? |
| 14:43 |
alynn26 |
I will be available in the morning |
| 14:43 |
alynn26 |
I have the new Dev meeting in the afternoon. |
| 14:43 |
dluch |
alynn++ |
| 14:43 |
dluch |
oops |
| 14:43 |
dluch |
alynn26++ |
| 14:43 |
alynn26 |
:) |
| 14:44 |
alynn26 |
that's my alter alter alter ego |
| 14:44 |
abneiman |
I can be available for docs hackfest, probably all of it, though I may sit in on new devs in the afternoon as well |
| 14:44 |
dluch |
:-) |
| 14:44 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 14:44 |
dluch |
Anyone else available/willing to mentor folks in the afternoon (or also in the morning)? |
| 14:45 |
dluch |
I'll be there all day, of course. ;-) |
| 14:46 |
alynn26 |
So, we will get them started, then you can work with them in the afternoon, I will be on IRC most of the day |
| 14:46 |
abneiman |
yeah, I will likewise be available for IRC pings even if I'm not in the room |
| 14:46 |
dluch |
:-) Sounds good! Thank you both!! |
| 14:46 |
dluch |
Is there any other new business we need to discuss? |
| 14:47 |
alynn26 |
I am sure bmagic and remington will be around also |
| 14:47 |
dluch |
Yes, probably! |
| 14:47 |
abneiman |
I think sandbergja is planning to be at the conference as well |
| 14:48 |
dluch |
excellent |
| 14:48 |
dluch |
#topic Collaboration time |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Collaboration time (Meeting topic: 2020-03-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
| 14:49 |
dluch |
We have 12 minutes left. Not much, but we can still work on stuff if you want. What did everyone planning to work on today? Let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other. If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary. |
| 14:50 |
dluch |
(excuse typo above. sigh) |
| 14:50 |
abneiman |
I have to skedaddle but I'll teport back next week about whether CWG is able to assist with experimental catalog docs |
| 14:50 |
dluch |
abnieman: Thanks! |
| 14:51 |
abneiman |
dluch++ # fearless leader |
| 14:51 |
dluch |
:-) |
| 14:51 |
alynn26 |
dluch++ |
| 14:51 |
dluch |
If everyone is amenable, I'm happy to end the meeting now... |
| 14:52 |
dluch |
Next meeting will be April 2. Same time, same place. It will be primarily collaboration time. Everyone also please work on 3.5 docs during Bug Squashing Week in March! |
| 14:52 |
dluch |
Thanks for coming, everyone! |
| 14:52 |
alynn26 |
+1 fore ending |
| 14:52 |
jihpringle |
thanks dluch++ |
| 14:53 |
cmalm |
dluch++ |
| 14:53 |
dluch |
#endmeeting |
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Bmagic |
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Bmagic |
sorry I missed the meeting :) dluch |
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dluch |
ruined the whole thing. JK ;-) |
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