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06:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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09:01 mantis1 Long shot question: Has anyone been noticing issues with printers not coming up in Hatch under Printer Settings?  I had this problem a couple of times throughout the past week on different workstations.
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09:05 mmorgan mantis1: I haven't had reports like that often, but did get one last week. Not sure what happened, tried everything to fix it - disable/re-enable hatch, disable/re-enable chrome hatch extension. Reinstalling hatch was the only thing that finally fixed it.
09:07 mantis1 mmorgan: I'll give what I can a try.  Thanks for your input!
09:08 mmorgan mantis1: Also a fair number of close and relaunch Chrome and reboots :)
09:13 csharp mantis1: you can also see the extension/add-on log in the browser to see if it's connecting properly
09:14 csharp https://pines.georgialibraries.org/doku​wiki/doku.php?id=admin:workstations:tro​ubleshooting#retrieve_console_messages has some pointers that may help
09:14 csharp that whole page has some hatch troubleshooting steps
09:15 mmorgan csharp++
09:15 csharp terran++
09:15 mmorgan terran++
09:16 * mmorgan didn't know about the hatch extension console
09:17 csharp yeah, it's super helpful to rule out one layer of possibilities
09:18 JBoyer mantis1 Also, if you don't have Hatch 0.3.2 you should grab that from https://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/ . It improves a lot of things and works fine with older versions of the browser plugins
09:19 alynn26 One thing we have discovered with Windows 10, is they need to be a local administrator to install hatch.  Usually when they do not have printers listed, they have installed it as a local user, not an local administrator.
09:19 csharp JBoyer: since you brought it up... :-) - is the new Hatch extension ok to use on top of pre-hatch-omnibus fixes?
09:19 csharp we're upgrading to 3.4.1, which doesn't include those and they came late enough that I wasn't comfortable with the risk of patching them in
09:20 JBoyer It should be backward compatible, you just don't get the new stuff until you update Eg also.
09:20 csharp gotcha - thanks!
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09:31 rjackson_isl csharp++ for documentation/troubleshooting advice
09:36 dbs I think Hatch 0.3.2 doesn't have the correct manifest for Firefox, though, and therefore causes major problems if you try using it with Firefox
09:36 * dbs searches for the bug
09:36 csharp oh - ok
09:36 dbs ah, bug # 1857729
09:37 dbs or bug 1857729 (c'mon pinesol)
09:37 pinesol Launchpad bug 1857729 in Evergreen "Hatch does not load in Angular Client in Firefox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1857729
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09:38 csharp so sounds like all that needs to be done is to upload a new build to FF addons
09:41 dbs yep
09:42 JBoyer It does. That issue only pops up if you also have those omnibus fixes, though.
09:42 csharp ah
09:42 * JBoyer keeps meaning to find the how-tos for that. :/ )
09:43 csharp well, I plan to apply those fixes post-upgrade, maybe in a point release
09:44 * dbs couldn't find anything on the wiki about who has the power to upload new versions of the FF Hatch extension
09:44 csharp I believe berick gmcharlt JBoyer and I have the developer credentials
09:44 csharp but yeah, that prolly needs some documentation :-/
09:45 * JBoyer wouldn't complain if csharp wanted to remind him of the creds in some side channel. ;)
09:49 JBoyer csharp++
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10:57 gmcharlt csharp: I've updated 1811710
11:04 csharp gmcharlt: responded
11:05 gmcharlt csharp: thanks
11:05 gmcharlt two more questions
11:06 gmcharlt 1. is the test DB in question still around? if so, I'd like to see the result of select * from pg_attribute  where attname = 'hopeless_date';
11:06 gmcharlt 2. is it possible that the test DB would have originated from a database that was created back in the pre-Pg-8.3 days?
11:07 gmcharlt in particular, of a lineage that would have be upgraded via pg_upgrade, not pg_dump & restore?
11:07 csharp 1. the DB is around, but I dropped the hopeless columns to fully roll back the changes
11:08 csharp 2. I've used pg_upgrade to go from 9.3 -> 9.5, then 9.5 -> 9.6, but it was all pg_dump/pg_restore before that
11:09 gmcharlt ok, in that DB, what attypid values do you get from select * from pg_attribute  where attname = 'request_time';?
11:09 csharp but yeah, the DB has come down to us from the ancients who ran PG 8.1
11:10 csharp gmcharlt: https://pastebin.com/34V4wgBx
11:15 gmcharlt csharp: what's the output of 'show integer_datetimes;'?
11:16 csharp gmcharlt: on
11:24 mantis1 Thanks everyone for your Hatch suggestions.  I was able to get to work again but I will look into the newer version download
11:34 mmorgan Anyone who's upgrading to 3.4, do you have concerns about bug 1858448?
11:34 pinesol Launchpad bug 1858448 in Evergreen "Aged Payment (and Billing) Table Breaks Cash Report and Removes Relevant Payment Tracking Abilities" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1858448
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11:37 gmcharlt csharp: grasping at straws, here: was cstore connecting via pgpool or the like?
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12:23 gmcharlt berick: does KCLS happen to use acq.attribute_debits() / acq.debit_attribution?
12:24 gmcharlt jeffdavis: ^ and what about you?
12:29 berick gmcharlt: zero rows in acq.debit_attribution
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12:36 gmcharlt bug 1860015
12:36 pinesol Launchpad bug 1860015 in Evergreen "acq: debit attribution feature used?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860015
12:37 * dbs_windows achieves WSOD on Chrome by installing the Hatch extension while already logged into the staff client (?)
12:37 * dbs_windows will try to replicate
12:38 tlittle gmcharlt++ for both the FYI that debit attribution even exists, and for the bug on it
12:40 dbs_windows hrm, console says "Hatch disconnected: Specified native messaging host not found.", guess I'll try uninstalling and reinstalling Hatch-the-executable
12:40 * gmcharlt resists the tempation to create a 'necrofeaturcon' LP tag... for now
12:42 * mmorgan watches as dbs_windows make many many copies of himself.
12:47 dbs_windows mmorgan: we're concerned about the aged circulation bug that you mentioned, btw, because we're already on 3.4.1+
12:47 dbs_windows Nice added details in your comment, btw
12:47 dbs_windows mmorgan++
12:48 dbs_windows Yay, reinstalling Hatch got rid of the WSOD on Chrome
12:49 jeff dbs_windows: I don't recall the exact symptom/message, but worth keeping in mind that there's no OpenJDK Hatch build for 32-bit Windows.
12:50 dbs_windows 64-bit here anyway, with the bundled JDK from the 0.3.2 download
12:51 jeff Good, good. Encountered at least one unexpected 32-bit workstation a few months back.
12:52 jeff (32-bit OpenJDK build did not look like something that was easy to obtain from a trusted source at that time.)
12:55 jeffdavis gmcharlt: we don't use debit attribution either
13:00 Dyrcona mmorgan++
13:00 Dyrcona gmcharlt: FWIW, our acq.debit_attribution table is also empty.
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13:54 JBoyer dbs: It may also be that restarting Chrome may help in that situation; I've seen issues when Chrome is open during the Hatch install, even if the staff client isn't currently open.
13:56 agoben The EOB/TEP meeting will start in about 5 minutes
14:00 agoben #startmeeting EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Jan 16 14:00:39 2020 US/Eastern.  The chair is agoben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to 'eob_evergreen_project_board_meeting_for_2020​_01_16__agenda_https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org​_doku_php_id_governance_minutes_2020_01_16'
14:01 agoben #topic Roll Call
14:01 agoben Use the #info command to provide name and affiliation
14:01 Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:01 agoben #info agoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana
14:01 JBoyer #info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, EOLI
14:01 tlittle #info @tlittle = Tiffany Little, PINES
14:02 rhamby #info rhamby = Rogan Hamby, EOLI
14:02 Cowens #info cowens = Chris Owens, BPL/COOL
14:02 nfBurton #info nfburton = Chris Burton, NFPL
14:02 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, EOLI
14:04 agoben Ok, jvwoolf has called off; guessing hbrennan is out too.
14:04 agoben I have a vague recollection that csharp might be otherwise occupied.  Anyone else remember/know?
14:04 tlittle I don't think he's attending today--he had another meeting, I believe
14:04 agoben ++
14:04 agoben #topic Approval of Minutes
14:04 Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:04 agoben #info Minutes from 2019-12-19 meeting: https://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2019/evergreen.2019-12-19-14.03.log.html
14:05 agoben Corrections, updates, suggestions?
14:05 gmcharlt no additions
14:05 tlittle None here
14:05 JBoyer No
14:05 agoben #startvote Accept minutes from 2019-12-19? yes, no
14:05 pinesol Begin voting on: Accept minutes from 2019-12-19? Valid vote options are yes, no.
14:05 pinesol Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:05 agoben #vote yes
14:05 tlittle #vote yes
14:05 JBoyer #vote yes
14:05 Cowens #vote yes
14:05 nfBurton #vote yes
14:05 gmcharlt #vote yes
14:05 agoben #endvote
14:05 pinesol Voted on "Accept minutes from 2019-12-19?" Results are
14:05 pinesol yes (6): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, Cowens, tlittle, gmcharlt
14:06 agoben #topic Chair Report
14:06 Topic for #evergreen is now Chair Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:06 agoben Nothing specific to report here.
14:06 agoben #topic Treasurer's Financial Report
14:06 Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:06 agoben gmcharlt, the floor is yours.
14:07 gmcharlt #info On the Conservancy end, changes include a $12.50 expenditure for domain fees
14:07 gmcharlt #info I have more information about Conservancy's collection activity which I'll share at the appropriate place in the agenda
14:07 gmcharlt #info On TEP end, received an invoice for attorney fees, but otherwise no fees
14:08 gmcharlt #info On the conference front, I know that sponsorships have been a little slow so far but will defer to the conference committee report
14:08 gmcharlt #info Re grant report = delayed, but draft will be circulated for review today
14:08 gmcharlt that's it unless there are questions
14:09 agoben Sounds good.  Thanks for everything there!
14:09 agoben Unless there are other questions, I'll move on
14:10 agoben #topic SFC Updates: Grant report
14:10 Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates: Grant report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:10 gmcharlt and for the sake of the minutes...
14:10 gmcharlt #info Re grant report = delayed, but draft will be circulated for review today
14:10 agoben ++
14:10 agoben #topic SFC Updates: Collection contacts
14:10 Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates: Collection contacts (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:11 agoben gmcharlt, how'd that go?
14:11 gmcharlt #info I learned that in December Conservancy explicitly made a decision to try to collect on bad debt to have a bit more to pass along to TEP
14:12 gmcharlt so, didn't consult us, but it was a good-faith decision on Karen's part in my opinion; just wished that they had given a heads-up
14:12 gmcharlt #info Awaiting a specific list of invoices they are still trying to collect
14:12 agoben That was going to be my next question...
14:12 gmcharlt when I get it, I'll share names of entities
14:12 agoben ++
14:12 nfBurton Hopefully it's not toolong
14:13 agoben agreed
14:13 agoben Any other SFC updates?
14:14 gmcharlt none from me
14:14 agoben Hearing none...
14:14 agoben #topic Release Manager Update
14:14 Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager Update (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:14 agoben Any one have any updates on the software side of things?
14:15 agoben Seems all quiet, so moving on:
14:15 agoben #topic 2020 Conference Committee
14:15 Topic for #evergreen is now 2020 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:15 agoben tlittle, any news?
14:15 tlittle #info We now have enough proposals so that we have a full slate of programs.
14:16 agoben Hooray!
14:16 tlittle #info Sponsorships are slow coming in, but we're hoping that some are in transit in the mail. We're also reaching out to possible other contacts in orgs that haven't responded.
14:16 tlittle JBoyer Did I leave anything out?
14:17 JBoyer tlittle, no, that's a good summary of where we're at.
14:17 JBoyer Thanks to everyone that's submitted programs!
14:17 gmcharlt question: when will submitters be formally notified about their presentation proposals?
14:17 tlittle That is a good question. Soon, I think? Terran has already done a draft of the program lineup, so I don't think it will be too much longer.
14:18 agoben Great!  Sounds like things are coming along well.
14:18 agoben Any other questions about the 2020 conference?
14:19 agoben #topic 2021 Site Selection Committee
14:19 Topic for #evergreen is now 2021 Site Selection Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:19 agoben Ok, I'm going to ping dluch, but I'm not sure she's available currently.
14:20 tlittle #info We've had a site officially put in an proposal, and the selection committee will be meeting in the next few days to review it.
14:20 agoben Ok, you got the application then.
14:20 tlittle Yep!
14:21 agoben Wasn't sure if the Board was going to have to make the call since it's a rather short window.
14:21 agoben We'll leave that to the committee then!
14:21 agoben #topic Outreach Committee
14:21 Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:21 tlittle We're trying to get together tomorrow for a call so hopefully shouldn't take too long
14:21 agoben kk
14:21 agoben rhamby?
14:22 rhamby I sent an email just before the meeting.
14:22 agoben Anything else to share?
14:22 rhamby The gist of it is that we skipped meeting but are working hard on the annual report.
14:22 rhamby And I have nothing else to share but welcome questions as always.
14:22 rhamby And if anyone has pictures to share from 2019 local Evergreen events they would be welcome.
14:22 rhamby email going out to that effect in just a few :)
14:23 agoben Great!
14:24 agoben #topic Unfinished Business: NPF Status - 1023
14:24 Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: NPF Status - 1023 (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:25 agoben gmcharlt and I coordinated to get the draft done before the holidays.  I sent it to Dilly for review on the 23rd.  He's reviewed it and come back with a couple of minor fixes.  on the whole, seemed happy with it.
14:25 tlittle Great!
14:25 JBoyer agoben++
14:25 agoben I need to update the draft for you all to review, but will try to get that done tomorrow.
14:25 JBoyer gmcharlt++
14:26 nfBurton nice!
14:26 agoben Once there's one more round of eyes, we should be good to send it in finally.  We do have to file a 990 for 2019, so that'll be up next.
14:26 agoben Will be relieved when it's out the door.
14:27 agoben Any questions or thoughts on the last draft?
14:28 agoben Seems quiet, so...
14:28 agoben #topic Unfinished Business: 2020 Election
14:28 Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: 2020 Election (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:28 agoben jvwoolf just sent a note saying if we had any further notes about her planned process to let her know.  Otherwise will move forward as planned.
14:29 agoben #info jvwoolf sent plans to listserv for review and discussion
14:29 agoben Any other thoughts to be shared here?
14:29 tlittle No, I thought her plan sounded solid
14:30 agoben Same.
14:30 JBoyer Same here
14:30 agoben Ok, I had no new business for the committee.  Does anyone else have anything they want to raise?
14:31 nfBurton None
14:31 gmcharlt none
14:31 Cowens No
14:31 tlittle None from me.
14:31 JBoyer No
14:31 agoben In that case:
14:31 agoben #topic Next meeting
14:31 Topic for #evergreen is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-01-16, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2020-01-16)
14:31 agoben #info Our next meeting will be on February 20, 2020.
14:31 agoben #endmeeting
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14:31 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Jan 16 14:31:51 2020 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:31 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-01-16-14.00.html
14:31 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2020/evergreen.2020-01-16-14.00.txt
14:31 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2020/evergreen.2020-01-16-14.00.log.html
14:31 agoben Thanks all!
14:32 tlittle agoben++
14:32 nfBurton agoben++
14:32 agoben gmcharlt++
14:32 agoben tlittle++
14:32 gmcharlt agoben++
14:32 agoben rhamby++
14:32 JBoyer agoben++
14:32 agoben JBoyer++
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14:32 agoben nfBurton++
14:32 rhamby agoben++ gmcahrlt++ tlittle++ JBoyer++ nfBurton++
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15:54 Dyrcona This is ridiculous: osrfwarn.13.log:2020-01-16 13:21:33 bd2-bh4 open-ils.actor: [WARN:22977:Server.pm:200:] server: no children available, waiting... consider increasing max_children for this application higher than 100 in the OpenSRF configuration if this message occurs frequently
15:54 Dyrcona And, with that, I'm signing out for the day.
16:00 jeffdavis the fix for bug 1848550 will mitigate open-ils.actor drone exhaustion
16:00 pinesol Launchpad bug 1848550 in Evergreen "Cache settings more aggressively in web client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848550
16:01 jeffdavis I still need to test the Angular parts on that one
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16:23 dbs jeffdavis++
16:24 dbs Received a complaint today about printing multiple labels at once using Hatch on a Dymo, that they don't get aligned correctly (label 1 is fine, label 2 gets one line from label 3 on it, etc)
16:25 dbs AFAIK nobody ever tried printing multiple labels at once with the installed staff client, but I'm wondering if that's something that people do and it works (thus a setting we need to tweak) or if it's something that should work but currently doesn't
16:26 dbs My response was "Well, I guess for now you should just print one label at a time!"
16:47 dbs _maybe_ it's another instance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1844839 ? I need to try it out and see...
16:47 pinesol Launchpad bug 1844839 in Evergreen "Sheet Spine Label Top Margin Ignored After First Sheet" [Undecided,Confirmed]
16:52 mmorgan dbs: my colleague has spent many hours working with Hatch on a Dymo recently and has triumphantly succeeded in printing multiple labels at once, formatted correctly, so it is possible.
16:52 mmorgan Note: we're currently on 3.3.5.
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18:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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