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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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Dyrcona |
Gotta love implementation notes like this one: We expect this to be corrected in a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999. |
09:17 |
Bmagic |
Is there a distinction between the browse index and the displayed words of the browse search results? |
09:18 |
Bmagic |
It seems to me that the system is displaying THE index entry phrase as the result |
09:25 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic: I believe what's displayed comes from metabib.browse_entry |
09:26 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan++ |
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Bmagic |
thanks for confirming. Just covering that base. Which means, if I want to get two fields to display, I need to index the two fields as a single field.... or do some tt2 magic |
09:27 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic: I'd like someone else to confirm, too, not sure if display fields are used in browse search results. |
09:34 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona: always good to set realistic expectations. :) |
09:37 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: In the quote above "this" refers to a limitation on displaying at most 4 digits for a year. |
09:37 |
* mmorgan |
supposes that on 31-DEC-9999, they'll be asking for just one more day to get it done. |
09:37 |
Dyrcona |
mmorgan++ |
09:38 |
JBoyer |
Ah, sounds like it has the appropriate priority then. |
09:40 |
Dyrcona |
I just find it amusing that people will still be using OpenVMS in 9999, but you never know. No one thought that the old main frame software from the '60s would still be in use in 1999. |
09:41 |
Dyrcona |
Gotta love it when you install updates one day. Login the next day, and there are 5 new updates. |
09:52 |
rhamby |
Dyrcona: as of a few years ago I knew of government entities spending millions on new proprietary systems because they were the only thing that could emulate the proprietary the 1970s accounting software they didn't want to move from |
09:52 |
rhamby |
specifically, emulate the old mainfames it ran on |
09:52 |
Dyrcona |
Not surprising to me at all. |
09:53 |
Dyrcona |
That's the business we should be in, government contracts. |
09:56 |
dbs |
hrm. our database connection occasionally gets killed off with messages like https://pastebin.com/K1skumrK (supposition is that the cause of the problem is a quasi-DoS) |
09:56 |
dbs |
Looks like the C services just reconnect and continue plugging along |
09:57 |
dbs |
but the Perl services never reconnect; I need to restart them manually |
09:59 |
JBoyer |
dbs, could be an OOM on the db machine also. So long as it doesn't hit postmaster or most of the wal stuff it's survivable, but postmaster bounces all of the current workers so things are in a known state. |
10:00 |
JBoyer |
perl code can also crash postgres backends (see the mods33/34 stuff we went through a while back.) |
10:01 |
dbs |
So short-term I'm hoping to monitor the logs for those situations and just automatically restart the services, but it would be nice if the Perl services could just recover on their own |
10:02 |
dbs |
JBoyer: yep, the quasi-DoS is the cause of the DB hardship |
10:03 |
dbs |
People get confused because the search interfaces are responsive but always return 0 hits; reporter interface shows that they have no saved templates, etc, rather than "failing loudly" :) |
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* dbs |
hopes none of the stock 3.4 Perl code is causing Postgresql backend crashes :) |
10:08 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: We've NOT seen this on our training server running 3.4.1. |
10:11 |
JBoyer |
uh... depending on your upgrade path there was bug 1764542 |
10:11 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1764542 in Evergreen "Incorrect format on config.metabib_field insert results in segmentation fault" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1764542 |
10:12 |
JBoyer |
but you should have that fix already. but it can happen! :) |
10:18 |
dbs |
JBoyer: yep, we applied that fix as part of our 3.1-3.2 version upgrade |
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mmorgan |
Reminder to fingers: it's 2020 |
10:56 |
dbs |
Y2020K |
10:58 |
Dyrcona |
Make me up when it's Y2^10. |
10:58 |
Dyrcona |
Heh... s/Make/Wake/ |
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* miker |
for use in browse and autosuggest. if you need to reorder the subfields or something, an xslt transformation will be needed. |
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miker |
s/marcxml/marc in the xpath... |
12:33 |
Bmagic |
miker++ |
12:35 |
Bmagic |
I was totally ignoring the column "joiner" |
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mmorgan |
I'm drawing a blank. With hatch enabled is there a way to get the printer dialog box when printing the pull list? |
13:23 |
mmorgan |
I see a Show Print Dialog checkbox on Check Out and Checkin, but could have sworn there was one on the Pull List. |
13:32 |
Bmagic |
miker++ # it worked! |
13:33 |
Bmagic |
miker++ # for good measure. Worked on that for a while now |
13:43 |
alynn26 |
MMorgan, the Print Full List button follows the Hatch settings and Template. If you use the Print Full Grid, it prints the grid on the screen and shows the dialog box. |
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dluch |
FYI - DIG Meeting will begin in 15 minutes |
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mmorgan |
alynn26: Ok, thanks, maybe that's what the library is used to doing. |
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mmorgan |
alynn26++ |
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dluch |
It's meetin' time! |
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dluch |
#startmeeting 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting |
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pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Jan 9 14:00:31 2020 US/Eastern. The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #evergreen is now (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
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pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2020_01_09___documentation_interest_group_meeting' |
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dluch |
#topic Agenda |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Agenda (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
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dluch |
#info The agenda can be found here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20200109-agenda |
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dluch |
Welcome everyone! Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation. |
14:01 |
dluch |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
14:01 |
dluch |
Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent. |
14:01 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Evergreen Indiana |
14:01 |
dluch |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
14:01 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic is Blake GH, MOBIUS |
14:01 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron is Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin University) |
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abneiman |
#info abneiman is Andrea Neiman, Equinox |
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sandbergja |
#info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College |
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tkatie217 |
#info /me is Katie Greenleaf Martin, Blair Co PaILS/SPARK |
14:05 |
dluch |
Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive. |
14:05 |
dluch |
#topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
14:05 |
dluch |
#info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs |
14:05 |
dluch |
#info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants |
14:05 |
dluch |
That's all really just so it shows up in the minutes |
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dluch |
#topic Old and Ongoing Business |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Old and Ongoing Business (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
14:06 |
dluch |
#info Previous Action Items |
14:06 |
dluch |
How are we doing on these? I'll take them in order... |
14:06 |
dluch |
#1, sandbergja: video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section? |
14:06 |
sandbergja |
nope, not yet :-( |
14:06 |
dluch |
Want me to leave it as an action item? |
14:06 |
sandbergja |
yes, please :-) |
14:07 |
dluch |
#action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section |
14:08 |
dluch |
Also, related to Quick Starts, I discovered that NC Cardinal has a whole bunch of single-page things like that. May be worth checking with April to see if we can use them |
14:08 |
dluch |
sandbergja++ |
14:08 |
dluch |
#2, abneiman: Did you have a chance to look into/plan a community crash course on ascii? |
14:08 |
sandbergja |
Oh, good to know! |
14:09 |
abneiman |
dluch: I have looked into it, but, alynn26 is planning something similar for the conference so I don't want to step on toes |
14:09 |
abneiman |
and/or duplicate effort |
14:09 |
dluch |
Okay, thanks. Should I remove it as an action item? |
14:09 |
alynn26 |
may be we collab at the conference |
14:09 |
abneiman |
probably so. +1 to collab alynn26 |
14:10 |
dluch |
That would be great. And maybe we could do some version as an online thing for folks who can't be at conference |
14:10 |
abneiman |
dluch: that's a good idea |
14:10 |
dluch |
abneiman++ alynn26++ |
14:11 |
dluch |
#3, abneiman: I know you have prodded gmcharlt about the test server. More on that shortly, unless you want to say anything now? |
14:11 |
abneiman |
nope nothing from me |
14:11 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
14:11 |
dluch |
#4, sandbergja, gmcharlt, and/or Dyrcona: how's work on setting up a git repo for ui (and maybe layouts) coming? |
14:11 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: still on my plate, but it's stacked high. I'll carve out time to complete by next Friday |
14:11 |
dluch |
Thanks, gmcharlt! |
14:12 |
sandbergja |
for the git repo, gmcharlt made not one but two! |
14:12 |
dluch |
gmcharlt++ |
14:12 |
sandbergja |
So we are good on #4 |
14:12 |
dluch |
Awesome! |
14:12 |
dluch |
sandbergja++ |
14:12 |
dluch |
#5, bmagic, remingtron, and players to be named later (?): work on the nav, of which there are approx 192 lines needed. Is this done or in progress? |
14:13 |
Bmagic |
I completed Acq recently |
14:13 |
remingtron |
and I'm working on Cataloging chapter as we speak |
14:13 |
remingtron |
we're using the LP bug 1848524 to claim one chapter at a time |
14:13 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1848524 in Evergreen "wishlist: Antora-ize docs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848524 |
14:13 |
Bmagic |
you can see the results http://antora.mobiusconsortium.org/prod/docs/latest/acquisitions/selection_lists_po.html |
14:14 |
dluch |
Excellent, thank you! Should we leave it as an action item? |
14:14 |
remingtron |
and my latest comment on the bug includes a list of steps to do for each section in the nav. |
14:14 |
Bmagic |
yep, still an action item |
14:15 |
tkatie217 |
+Bmagic looks nice! |
14:15 |
dluch |
#action Bmagic and remingtron will continue working on the nav, as per Launchpad bug 1848524 |
14:15 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1848524 in Evergreen "wishlist: Antora-ize docs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848524 |
14:15 |
remingtron |
Bmagic++ #keeping the demo online and updated |
14:15 |
dluch |
bmagic++ |
14:15 |
Bmagic |
tkatie217: Thank you :) |
14:15 |
dluch |
remingtron++ |
14:15 |
Bmagic |
remingtron++ |
14:16 |
dluch |
#6, Everyone will test the new Antora server and email the DIG list (or IRC) with problems (or suggestions). I don't think I've seen many (any?) emails with problems or suggestions. How is testing going? (Also, more on Antora shortly.) |
14:17 |
dluch |
crickets... |
14:17 |
alynn26 |
It looks great. |
14:17 |
Bmagic |
:) |
14:17 |
dluch |
I agree, it does look great |
14:17 |
remingtron |
there are still little bugs hiding everywhere, so please test! |
14:18 |
dluch |
I'll keep that on as an action item, then. :-) |
14:18 |
Bmagic |
yep - lots of hidden "gems" in there |
14:18 |
dluch |
#action Everyone will test the Antora server and email the DIG list (or IRC) with problems (or suggestions). |
14:18 |
alynn26 |
Home icon needs updating. If you click on it it goes to the "it's powered by Antora". |
14:19 |
remingtron |
alynn26++ #testing! |
14:19 |
Bmagic |
lol |
14:19 |
Bmagic |
I threw that page on there in the very very beginning |
14:19 |
dluch |
Good find, lol |
14:20 |
Bmagic |
probably should hit the "Introduction" page |
14:20 |
alynn26 |
That would be what I would expect. |
14:21 |
Bmagic |
committing to the repo... |
14:21 |
tkatie217 |
I'm also seeing "Untitled :: Evergreen Documentation " in my browser tab regardless of what page i'm on - would be nice if it had a title, or just stayed with "Evergreen Documentation" |
14:21 |
alynn26 |
bmagic ++ |
14:21 |
remingtron |
tkatie217: yes, that gets better when we add labels in the nav.adoc files |
14:22 |
remingtron |
(I think) |
14:22 |
dluch |
Oh, that's good to know |
14:22 |
tkatie217 |
+remingtron that would make sense :) |
14:22 |
alynn26 |
I think it does, if you check out the Glossary it says Glossary. |
14:23 |
sandbergja |
alynn26: I think the glossary looks so cool in antora. :-) |
14:23 |
dluch |
navlabels++ :-D |
14:23 |
dluch |
Okay, everyone keep up the good testing! Let's move on |
14:23 |
tkatie217 |
+1 to glossary! gorgeous! |
14:24 |
dluch |
+1 The glossary really is awesome |
14:24 |
dluch |
#info Update on Documentation server move |
14:24 |
alynn26 |
I do have an update to the Glossary, With a few additional features. Here is my testing Gist: https://gist.github.com/alynn26/072bcda581fead021eab2f079dd49e82 |
14:24 |
dluch |
It doesn't look like rsoulliere is here right now...how's this going? |
14:25 |
dluch |
gmcharlt: how's this going? |
14:25 |
dluch |
alynn26++ |
14:26 |
dluch |
Okay, I'll leave the docs server move on the agenda for next time, and we'll catch up with it then |
14:27 |
dluch |
#info Antora progress |
14:27 |
dluch |
bmagic and remingtron? |
14:27 |
dluch |
You already kind of updated us...anything else? |
14:27 |
dluch |
Also... |
14:27 |
dluch |
#info Numbering issue, Antora vs. Current. |
14:28 |
dluch |
There are links on the agenda to both. Who wants to start this discussion (who added it to the agenda)? |
14:28 |
remingtron |
all are encouraged to help add labels to the various nav.adoc files. Grab us on email or IRC if you need help getting started. |
14:29 |
dluch |
Awesome, thanks. |
14:29 |
remingtron |
Bmagic: is the "numbering issue" talking about how the old docs used chapter numbers? |
14:29 |
dluch |
remingtron++ |
14:29 |
Bmagic |
not sure |
14:29 |
Bmagic |
who put that on the agenda? |
14:29 |
remingtron |
no idea |
14:29 |
Bmagic |
lol |
14:30 |
dluch |
lol, me either. |
14:30 |
remingtron |
okay, skip? |
14:30 |
dluch |
Yup. We can come back to it at another meeting |
14:30 |
dluch |
also... |
14:31 |
dluch |
#action Everyone, when adding agenda items, please include your name in parenthesis |
14:31 |
dluch |
:-) |
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14:31 |
dluch |
Any other old or ongoing business to discuss? |
14:31 |
abneiman |
I think it may have been copied from December? |
14:31 |
abneiman |
(numbering issue, that is) |
14:31 |
Bmagic |
yeah, I was going through the history for the wiki and it was there from the start |
14:31 |
dluch |
abneiman: That's very possible |
14:32 |
dluch |
So, I'm probably responsible, LOL |
14:32 |
Bmagic |
wiki history to the rescue |
14:32 |
abneiman |
and looking at Dec.... Bmagic, looks like you added it. So past-Blake thought it was something to talk about |
14:32 |
dluch |
bmagic++ |
14:32 |
abneiman |
:) |
14:32 |
dluch |
haha |
14:33 |
Bmagic |
ok, thinking... |
14:33 |
remingtron |
abneiman++ #digging through wiki history |
14:33 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
14:33 |
dluch |
wikihistory++ |
14:33 |
dluch |
Bmagic: Keep thinking and we'll talk about it at a future meeting. |
14:33 |
abneiman |
heh. I was mostly wondering if Past Andrea was responsible for the mystery item, but yes. wikihistory++ |
14:34 |
Bmagic |
well, all I can come up with is the version of PG and OpenSRF mentioned |
14:34 |
Bmagic |
example http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/3.2/_installing_prerequisites.html |
14:35 |
dluch |
I was thinking it was more along the lines of page numbers or something, lol |
14:35 |
dluch |
Oh, or numbers in the menu? |
14:35 |
Bmagic |
it must not be that big of a deal |
14:35 |
Bmagic |
The chapters are numbered the old way |
14:35 |
dluch |
haha, must not |
14:36 |
dluch |
Okay, moving on... |
14:36 |
dluch |
#topic New Business |
14:36 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
14:36 |
dluch |
#info DIG programs for Conference |
14:36 |
dluch |
We have a few different documentation-related programs submitted for conference: |
14:36 |
dluch |
alynn26 has "AsciiDoc, let's get started" |
14:37 |
dluch |
bmagic is going to submit one on the docs move to Antora |
14:37 |
Bmagic |
haha, I am? |
14:37 |
dluch |
tkatie217 was thinking about an intro to sources for Evergreen documentation How is that going? |
14:37 |
Bmagic |
(just kidding) |
14:37 |
dluch |
Very funny, Bmagic |
14:37 |
tkatie217 |
Alynn++ definitely sending some people to that one! |
14:37 |
tkatie217 |
* alynn26++, rather |
14:38 |
dluch |
tkatie217: are you still thinking about the docs sources one? |
14:38 |
tkatie217 |
dluch I was out sick part of this week so I haven't given it any thought between when I sent the email and now |
14:38 |
dluch |
We often have a lightning-round "Intro to DIG" talk. I'm happy to do it, but I know, lfloyd, you have been doing it for several years now...did you want to again? |
14:39 |
tkatie217 |
But we can adapt what Angela and I did last year so it would be an easy submission - my plans for April are still somewhat fluid so I would prefer to have a buddy |
14:39 |
alynn26 |
I can do it again. |
14:39 |
dluch |
tkatie217: Okay, no worries. If it's something you'd still like to pursue, though, go ahead and submit the idea, even if it's not all fleshed out yet |
14:39 |
dluch |
alynn26: Great, thanks! |
14:39 |
dluch |
Did I miss any? |
14:40 |
dluch |
Is anyone else thinking of submitting a docs-related program? |
14:40 |
dluch |
Don't forget that tomorrow is the submission deadline for conference proposals! |
14:41 |
dluch |
alynn26++ bmagic++ tkatie217++ |
14:41 |
dluch |
Is there any other new business we need to discuss? |
14:41 |
abneiman |
are we doing the usual docs hackfest on preconference day, as well? |
14:42 |
dluch |
Oh! Yes! |
14:42 |
dluch |
Thank you, abneiman! |
14:43 |
dluch |
And we could use a few DIG folks to volunteer to help out new folks who come and want to learn how to contribute. Any takers? |
14:43 |
dluch |
[for the docs hackfest] |
14:43 |
abneiman |
I'm planning to be there & can help new people |
14:43 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
14:43 |
alynn26 |
I'll be there |
14:44 |
dluch |
alynn26++ |
14:44 |
dluch |
I'll be there, too, though I'm not sure how helpful I'll be for new folks, lol |
14:45 |
dluch |
Okay, if there's no other new business, we can move on to... |
14:45 |
dluch |
#topic Collaboration time |
14:45 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Collaboration time (Meeting topic: 2020-01-09 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting) |
14:46 |
dluch |
There's about 15 minutes left. |
14:46 |
dluch |
What is everyone planning to work on today? Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other. If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary. |
14:46 |
dluch |
Or, we can just end the meeting now. |
14:46 |
Bmagic |
I committed to the repo just now |
14:47 |
sandbergja |
alynn26: are your glossary changes ready for review? |
14:48 |
alynn26 |
I've got a branch I need to push up with the changes. in it is also additonal words, and linking in the current docs in the the end matter. |
14:48 |
sandbergja |
Oh, excellent! I'll look forward to that, then |
14:49 |
remingtron |
alynn26++ |
14:50 |
dluch |
Awesome! alynn26++ |
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14:53 |
dluch |
I'm going to start reviewing the older doc needs to see if I already have something that will meet some of them |
14:53 |
dluch |
(But not today, lol) |
14:55 |
remingtron |
Bmagic: I just pushed my cat changes to collab |
14:55 |
Bmagic |
nice! remingtron++ |
14:55 |
dluch |
remingtron++ |
14:59 |
dluch |
We are just about at time. Thanks for all the great work, everyone! Feel free to keep going! |
14:59 |
dluch |
Next meeting will be February 6. Same time, same place. It will be primarily collaboration time. |
14:59 |
sandbergja |
dluch++ |
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dluch++ |
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dluch |
Thanks for coming, everyone! |
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pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2020/evergreen.2020-01-09-14.00.html |
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pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2020/evergreen.2020-01-09-14.00.txt |
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Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2020/evergreen.2020-01-09-14.00.log.html |
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Bmagic |
remingtron: site updated. Looking good! http://antora.mobiusconsortium.org/prod/docs/latest/cataloging/copy-buckets_web_client.html |
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Bmagic: is that antora demo server going to be around for a bit? I'd love to collect some more feedback from my local consortium |
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Bmagic |
yep - it's pretty much permanent now |
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Bmagic++ |
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Excellent! |
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News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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